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http://www.amiga.com/corporate/110202-mcewen.shtml
Looks like everthings ok at amiga inc :)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 1 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 02-Nov-2002 13:30 GMT
Luca just whinged on Amiga.org that it wasn't supposed to have been given out. Boo hoo Luca!
So whats new over and above what we already know?
1/ Amiga Anywhere games will be sold in packs of four at ex-Cellnet/Carphone Warehouse
stores and some stores in the US too.
2/ Amiga Inc is moving offices to be closer to something important.
Apart from that, a minor summary.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 2 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 02-Nov-2002 13:35 GMT
"Looks like everythings OK at Amiga Inc"
... well this could just be a finesse and besides it depends on what type of deal they
have cut with O2 and the other company, if its profit share then the money
wont roll in until Mobile Monthly posts a decent review otherwise it could have
already started rolling in. ;-)
It would be nice if Tao's work became more widely successful.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 3 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 02-Nov-2002 13:43 GMT
The tone of that announcement is very nice. He is not criticizing anybody, and there are really no
false promises or questionable promotions. I hope that people do not start flaming and criticizing and
Dammy, you should take a break okay. ;)
Maybe if people set a more mature tone, then the next development from Thendic-France will also
bet treated properly, and everyone will discuss things like grownups please!
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 4 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Nov-2002 13:52 GMT
Damn! I was really hoping AInc went out of business. What a sad day :(
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 5 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Nov-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Daniel Miller):
So that means I shouldn't say what a nice spin job of their losing their offices and phones? Wonder who the new VC sucker is this time...
Dammy
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 6 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Nov-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (dammy):
"So that means I shouldn't say what a nice spin job of their losing their offices and phones? Wonder who the new VC sucker is this time...
Dammy"
Even if Amiga Inc starting doing everything you wanted you'd try and put a negative spin on it ... F.F.S grow up.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 7 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 02-Nov-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Daniel Miller):
I like your attitude (no no, no sarcasm or irony involved) =)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 8 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Digby):
>Luca just whinged on Amiga.org that it wasn't supposed to have been
>given out. Boo hoo Luca!
You got nothing better to do? The Exec Update is not about me, you know?
Anyways... Club Members were promised first hand news and were sent the link to this executive update, 12 hours later it would be posted on Amiga.com main page as always. It's a question of fairness, nothing more, some of you have a hard time understanding that.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 9 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (dammy):
Randy, knock it off, you're boring beyond measure. Go bother mom and dad now!
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 10 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Nov-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (amigammc):
AmigaMMC is Luca? Oh, *now* I see clearly now what's going on here...
Dammy
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 11 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Nov-2002 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (amigammc):
Coming from Fleeced's sock puppet, am I suppost to take your post seriously Luca?
Dammy
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 12 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Nov-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (dammy):
"AmigaMMC is Luca? Oh, *now* I see clearly now what's going on here...
Dammy"
All i can see is you being an idiot.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 13 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Nov-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (amigammc):
> You got nothing better to do?
Have YOU got nothing better to do than complain about people knowing stuff a measly 12 hours ahead of schedule?
Unless they put an NDA on emails to club members, it's not stealing or wrong or anything.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 14 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 02-Nov-2002 14:37 GMT
I for one think it's good news. I wish AI, with whatever power they have, could/would go sit on Hyperion until OS4 was done, but whatever. When or if the OS comes available, I'll grab it an an AmigaOne (depending on cost and availability in the 'States, of course) and see what all this is about.
Until then...I'll watch with interest.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 15 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 02-Nov-2002 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Some Farker):
" I wish AI, with whatever power they have, could/would go sit on Hyperion
until OS4 was done, but whatever. "
That might slow things down. It's hard to code with somebody sitting
on you.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 16 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (dammy):
You are Randy Vice, there's really nothing else to add
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 17 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 02-Nov-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Don Cox):
You seem to know this first-hand, care to elaborate?
:-P
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 18 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 02-Nov-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (amigammc):
"You got nothing better to do? The Exec Update is not about me, you know? "
Well perhaps you should have just stopped yourself from sounding off in an
unpleasant way on Amiga.org then. That thread stopped being about the good
news and became about you.
If you don't want to become the news then you have to get smarter Luca.
Digby.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 19 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 02-Nov-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Don Cox):
Don
So you haven't seen that scene in Swordfish then?
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 20 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 02-Nov-2002 15:05 GMT
It doens't matter much anymore, the word is out regardless. Just enjoy reading the executive update and of course keep an eye out for the latest news coming from the WOASE show.
The idea was to give club members early access to information. This just demonstrated that Amiga Inc might need to rethink how this will be handled in the near future.
Please just ignore Dammy, IMO that guy is hopeless.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 21 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 02-Nov-2002 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Mike Bouma):
You're right, Mike. On both points ;-)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 22 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 02-Nov-2002 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Mike Bouma):
Posted by Mike Bouma (62.131.178.212) on 02-Nov-2002 16:05:21
> Please just ignore Dammy, IMO that guy is hopeless.
Oh, that means so much coming from yet another Inner Circle ML Sockpuppet. So who else is still on that Superduper Cheerleader Squad ML? Luca, Mike_C, Mike B and any other defender(s) of Amino/Amiga that pretends to be unbiased and not a mear sockpuppet?
Dammy
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 23 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 02-Nov-2002 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (dammy):
Dammy, don't be so damnd and blatantly envious... Look, mommy is calling you ;)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 24 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Nov-2002 15:49 GMT
Wow, an update with no news! I'm impressed. Back to sleep for me.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 25 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by L8-X on 02-Nov-2002 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (dammy):
LOL! For a place that is so anti amiga.inc there is sure a lot of interest in their latest update! Look at the main menu......4 news items about this!
MUST be a first!
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 26 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Dammy's Mummy on 02-Nov-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Fabio Alemagna):
Dammy!!! Dammy!!! Come home this instant!!! You're tea is ready!!! Dammy?!! Dammy!!! Come here and stop annoying the Neighbours. Oh, no! Look, you've wet yourself. Get in that bath you naughty boy before I call a Catholic Priest to sit alone in your bedroom with you!!! ;)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 27 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 02-Nov-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Dammy's Mummy):
That was my attempt at humour by the way ;)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 28 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 02-Nov-2002 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Darrin):
"That was my attempt at humour by the way ;)"
You may need to explain what that is to some of the people around here ;)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 29 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 02-Nov-2002 16:51 GMT
Well, phone lines down or not someone at least can telnet into their server or FTP a new update, that much is obvious.
But what does it all mean? Okay, they've lined up some distributors*, and they sort of kind of have some vague idea about OS4**, and they're happy about the release of the AmigaOne hardware***. For whatever any of this is worth, it's good to see that they're not _completely_ incommunicado these days.
Now whether the various pieces congeal into something called an "Amiga computer" again, that remains to be seen...
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 30 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 02-Nov-2002 16:55 GMT
Shouldn't there be some WOASE report pouring right in about now? I'm really interested
in what Hyperion has had to say...
.
SlimJim
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 31 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Nov-2002 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Some Farker):
Some Farker said:
> I for one think it's good news.
What's good news? I don't see any news, be they good or bad (BTW, when was the last time BAD news was intentionally announced in any company's marketing? ;-) )
We already knew everything in there, nothing was said about new addresses/phone numbers and why it takes months to be able to publish those, and whatever they play with regarding cell phones or PDAs or that stuff is not of any common interest to current Amiga users or future AmigaOS users. "New Amiga hardware," WTF is he smoking??
Meanwhile, the *only* company that actually could say something interesting, Hyperion, never publishes anything on their own site.
It's kinda sad though that some deluded people who payed for a corporate fan-club membership feel upset over knowing these "news" less than the promised 12 hours before anyone else. You need help, damnit!
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 32 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 02-Nov-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
See comment #29. Trust me, I'm being as circumspect as anyone else. If you think I'm just freaking out over anything posted by McEwen & Co., you're wrong.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 33 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Nov-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Some Farker):
Sorry, Some Farker, I was commenting sweepingly on the general behaviour of one particularly gullible and noisy group of people, not you personally. And comment #29 was posted while I struggled with typing my comment. ;-)
It generally seems like the people who wet themselves over this are the same who had multiple orgasms over a TeronCX distributor announcing that they'll announce an announcement about taking orders for that piece of hardware.
(And the people who have multiple heart infarctions over this generally seem to be those who hate hate hate anything related to the (ex-?)Snoqualmie clowns.)
It's nothing new or interesting. Move along, people.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 34 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 02-Nov-2002 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Well, remember the board isn't really a Teron CX board - it's built to spec for the AmigaOne project and the custom BIOS and firmware were written by and for Eyetech. It's not like you're going to hit MAI Logic's webpage and buy one from behind Eyetech, so I think of the generalization of the AmigaOne as merely a cookie-cutter Teron CX board.
Also, the Teron CX systems are prohibitively expensive ($2500 USD each, last time I looked).
I mean, don't get me wrong, I appreciate where you're coming from; it does seem a little too soon to uncork the sparkling wine, but I'm waiting to see where this goes.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 35 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 02-Nov-2002 17:55 GMT
Someone made a good point over on moobunny.
About informing others of a pending move and change of contact information.
On slashdot there is a woman sueing her ISP for messing with communications
to her, keeping her from them. I hope the hell she get as much as she wants
out of them.
Are any of you smart enough to understand the point?
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 36 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Nov-2002 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Some Farker):
No, it's identical to Mai's latest revision of the TeronCX boards.
A reflashed CMOS with new firmware (which is Hyperion's work on PPCBoot, not Eyetech's) doesn't change the hardware. Besides, haven't we heard Hermans spouting off that Mai themselves also will ship their boards pre-flashed with Hyperion's firmware? For example, my MSI 694D Pro AR rev. 1.1 mobo is just as much an MSI 694D Pro board as the 694D Pro rev. 1.0. This mobo is, like the TeronCX/"AmigaOne", distributed by different VARs under different names. Neither did my reflashing the CMOS magically transform the mobo.
Eyetech's involvement is buying boards with a ROM containing a serial # or whatever popped into a previously empty socket, and selling them to AmigaOS customers who apparently must use more expensive hardware from only one distributor.
BTW, the 4 figure price listed for eons on Mai's site is for a developer board with a dev kit and developer support from Mai. You could always get a bare board w/o CPU and w/o dev support for $300. The current revision of TeronCX, i.e. the one Eyetech distribute using the "AmigaOne G3SE" trademark is available from Mai for $500 (PPC750CEx@600MHz).
> It's not like you're going to hit MAI Logic's webpage and buy one from behind
> Eyetech,
Nah, that's the whole idea of crippling AmigaOS by locking it to hardware from "licensed distributors" - which is the ol' pardner Eyetech. They gotta get something out of that whole Escena A1 1200/4000 failure, so they were thanked for services not rendered by getting free hands to design a hardware monopoly even now when it's not necessary and will only act to make AmigaOS a laughing stock.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 37 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by skal on 02-Nov-2002 23:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (3seas):
No, Tim. Not one single person is smart enough. Only you are smart enough, hence we wait breathlessly for your posts.
Oh, to be so evolved...
-skal
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 38 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 00:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
>The current revision of TeronCX, i.e. the one Eyetech distribute using >the "AmigaOne G3SE" trademark is available from Mai for $500
>(PPC750CEx@600MHz).
As Eyetech have an exclusive agreement with MAI then I don't see that happening. FWIW MAI didn't even want to get into the desktop market, they only sell developer boards.
It's true that the firmware for AmigaOne boards is likely to ship on all of MAI's products. Mainly because it works properly, unlike the one they were already using. I bet you still think it's crap though.
> Nah, that's the whole idea of crippling AmigaOS by locking it to hardware
> from "licensed distributors" - which is the ol' pardner Eyetech
unless someone organises for OS4.0 to be made compatible with their hardware then it ain't going to happen. before you harp on about "the only changes they need to make is for dongle etc" realise that there are no 100% compatible boards, this isn't x86 pc's you're dealing with. all the hardware is different.
not that I think you care as long as you can moan.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 39 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 00:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
http://www.mai.com/news&events/PressRelease090302.html
"Production version Teron systems using the Teron CX design will soon be available for purchasing
from Mai Logic's strategic partners in the targeted price range of around $500.00 each."
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 40 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 03-Nov-2002 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
AKA Eyetech. Havent you been keeping up? We need a FAQ ;-)
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 41 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2002 08:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
> As Eyetech have an exclusive agreement with MAI
No, they don't. They have an agreement. They don't have an exclusive agreement.
> I bet you still think it's crap though.
I never said anything about the qualities of the actual Teron product or its firmware. To please you, I'll say something about it now: The Teron *CX* (a.k.a. "A1 *G3SE*") is underpowered, overpriced crap, considering it's now being marketed as a *desktop end-user machine*. It's fine if you're a developer who wants to mess with the ArticiaS and with PPC s/w projects. The Teron *PX* ("A1 *XE*") is basically the same board, but with easier upgradeable CPU, so that's one small plus point over the CX.
The PPC-boot (U-boot) firmware seems pretty impressive from just looking at the sources, even when compared to more solid and widely accepted Open Firmware solutions, but I haven't tested it on any of my machines and I don't know if Hyperion has messed with it beyond adding their own IA-32 gfx init routines (and the source for those are still unavailable even to the U-boot project managers themselves!), so I won't say anything about that.
> unless someone organises for OS4.0 to be made compatible with their hardware then it ain't going to happen.
WELL THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS! Aren't we all lucky to have you here! Water is wet, snow is cold, and the HAL of an OS needs to be adapted to the hardware it's going to run on. Too f-ing bad that this can't happen in the first place unless a vendor of a piece of hardware decides to get a "license" from AInc. In other words, it won't happen. The hardware licensing requirement must be removed, or AmigaOS is already dead.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 42 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Digby on 03-Nov-2002 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
Explain please how making AmigaOS4.0 available to run ( say using PPCBoot ) on
any PPC hardware will make a significant difference?
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 43 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Nov-2002 10:45 GMT
Anybody really believe OS4 will be out before christmas?
I'm willing to bet $20 to $10 that it won't be. And I'm, of course,
talking about christmas 2003 here. Any takers?
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 44 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 03-Nov-2002 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Johan Rönnblom):
"Anybody really believe OS4 will be out before christmas?
I'm willing to bet $20 to $10 that it won't be. And I'm, of course,
talking about christmas 2003 here. Any takers? "
Define "out".
Beta version for testing by Ole-Egil? Probably before Christmas 2002.
Beta version for all those who have a board? Probably Jan or Feb 2003.
Commercial version with all major bugs fixed? My guess is March/April
2003.
Fully bug fixed (version 4.1)? July or August.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 45 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Ed Dana on 03-Nov-2002 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (dammy):
> Coming from Fleeced's sock puppet, am I suppost to take
> your post seriously Luca?
So, Randy? What are you trying to prove? Why is this so personal?
Ya know, I don't have much faith in Amiga Inc. either, but jeez, why pick on Luca for it?
Regards,
Ed Dana.
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 46 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 03-Nov-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Johan Rönnblom):
Alan already said that OS4 on the AmigaOne will be available in January
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 47 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 03-Nov-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Don Cox):
by July next year we'll be running OS4.2 with DE content for some time.
alan
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 48 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 03-Nov-2002 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Don Cox):
Don, while I don't disagree with that estimate, are you factoring in the various development hitches with making the OS work on the various PPC solutions out there? That could throw a monkey wrench into the schedule*
*will full awareness that the OS has been *developed* on those various PPC-equipped A4000's, 3000's, 1200's etc. (500's and 2000's? ;-) )
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 49 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Nov-2002 19:40 GMT
My definition would be that something that
a) is labeled AmigaOS 4
b) is based on a kernel made by Hyperion
c) runs on the AmigaOne
d) can be ordered from at least one of the dealers Vesalia, KDH,
Power Computing or GGS-data
e) is delivered from one or more of these companies to at least five
regular customers before december 25, 2003
The latest from amiga inc. : Comment 50 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Nov-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Would you tell us where you get your information or is it really pure speculation and not credible as such :)
Anonymous, there are 50 items in your selection
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