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[News] Eyetech announce pre built specsANN.lu
Posted on 06-Nov-2002 12:12 GMT by John Block (Edited on 2002-11-06 16:38:23 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)24 comments
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Eyetech announce the specifications of their pre built systems AmigaOne prebuilt systems
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 1 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 06-Nov-2002 12:46 GMT
hmm, price's for these systems?
And could someone please fix the url: ? (double http://)
LB
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 2 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 06-Nov-2002 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lasse Bodilsen):
Prices are at http://www.eyetech.co.uk/search.php?SearchStr=&SearchCat=AMA1
The basic G3SE setup is very close to my own, and its performance is more than honourable if that's any help.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 3 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Nov-2002 15:58 GMT
Wow.
Looks impressive.
GBP1,399 for the 800MHz G4 "power" system.
AmigaOne-XE (7451 G4 cpu @800MHz)
80GB HD
DVD-Rom
CDRewriter drive
512MB memory
CPU Cooler
Floppy Drive
Soundblaster Live sound card
ATI Radeon 8500 graphics card
PS/2 multimedia keyboard
Optical, RF wireless, rechargeable mouse
7-bay Midi ATX tower
SuSE Linux PPC Distribution inc manuals
LinuxPPC & UAE preinstalled
OS4-enabled BIOS (& OS4 license with Earlybird systems ordered and paid for before 31 December 2002)
Onboard ethernet and USB
Assembled, tested and burnt-in
Or, for GBP50 LESS, you can buy an Apple G4 Mac with DUAL 867MHz G4s -
Dual 867MHz PowerPC G4
256K L2 cache
& 1MB L3 cache/processor
133Mhz System Bus
256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA drive
DVD/CD-RW drive
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
56K internal modem
(plus, of course, onboard USB and FiewWire plus keyboard and mouse)
Yup, sounds like an absolute bargin to me - MORE money for LESS power and functionality.
And people slag off Macs for being expensive?!
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 4 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 06-Nov-2002 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
But for that missing £50, can you add the missing things to the Mac?
IE: 256Mb extra RAM, OS4 license (and later OS4 itself), cordless wheelmouse, 20Gb hard disk space, floppy drive?
Its all swings and roundabouts. We've yet to see how much faster or slower OS4 is than MacOS X as well.
Plus Apple sell to a larger market, therefore economies of scale come into play. Nobody is forcing you to buy an AmigaONE.
Not to mention the fact you could shave a lot of money off the cost of that XE system by building it yourself.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 5 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Nov-2002 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
Your points are very sound. We also have to take into account that the Mac spec has no sound card either.
For the prices to be so even - with Apple's vast economies of scale as you rightly mention - shows what a good deal the AmigaOne actually is.
---
Sam
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 6 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Nov-2002 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
Don't forget that your AmigaOne is only a SINGLE 800MHz G4, whereas that Mac is a DUAL 867MHz G4.
That's a major difference, much more than the RAM and hard-drive difference...
So when you factor those into the price, the AOne is *still* overpriced even when compared to hardware which is always slagged off for being horrendously expensive.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 7 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Nov-2002 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Sam Smith):
"We also have to take into account that the Mac spec has no sound card either"
LOL!
You've never seen a Mac in real life, have you.
Hint - they have sound. Plenty of it. Stereo too.
Nice try.
Next?
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 8 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 06-Nov-2002 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
>Its all swings and roundabouts. We've yet to see how much faster or slower OS4
>is than MacOS X as well.
Well, since OS X on my 450Mhz G3 iMac is way slower (in responding to mouse movements and clicks, opening windows, redrawing the screen, displaying window contents etc) than AmigaOS 3.9 on a A4000 with 50Mhz 060 I'd be enormously surprised if OS4 wasn't many times faster than OS X.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 9 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 06-Nov-2002 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Lando):
Hi Lando!
Long time no see! When are you going to be in #amigascne again, eh?!
Anyway, yes, i'd be very surprised if OS4 didn't run rings around OSX...
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 10 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 06-Nov-2002 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Dual processor doesn't necessarily equate to a system that is twice as fast. It all depends on how the OS distributes tasks to the processors, and how programs are written to take advantage of multiprocessing. The operating system can't arbitrarily throw instructions to seperate processors; it just wouldn't work. Therefore while a 3D rendering engine designed to take advantage of both processors would get an image done probably twice as fast as a single processor system, things like web browsing or word processing aren't likely to get a two-fold speed increase.
At the end of the day, I think for a company the size of Eyetech to produce a machine of that spec at that cost, for a market as small as ours and provide after sales care, is remarkable, and therefore that it represents fair value for money.
Let us not forget that if you built the system yourself, you would save more than that £50, but you wouldn't get after sales support for the whole system from Eyetech, and you'd have to go to the trouble of aquiring the parts and assembling it yourself.
I, therefore, think your comparison of the AmigaONE system and Apple system and subsequent dismissal of the AmigaONE as a ripoff is unfair. If you don't want to pay that much for an AmigaONE, nobody is forcing you.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 11 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 06-Nov-2002 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Peter Gordon):
Good points, and a sensible post.
I second that. If only they start distributing this in Sweden now...
.
SlimJim
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 12 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Roy on 06-Nov-2002 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
OK, Mr. Wiseguy
You don't have to buy ALL of the components by Eyetech or other Amiga dealers...
All prices incl. local VAT (the Netherlands (19% VAT)
Amigaone XE G4@800Mhz (board+os4) incl. VAT €950,- (compcity.nl)
Pricewatch:
IBM 60GB (120GXP, 7200rpm) € 97,-
512MB PC133 SDRAM € 38,-
Acer DVD 16/48 € 56,-
ALU-Silver Blue-front Midi 2029 300Watt € 98,-
LGE 48x16x48 CD-RW € 58,-
Club3D ATi Radeon 8500 Pro 64M D/T € 133,-
Creative SoundBlaster Live (OEM) € 39,-
1.44Mb Floppy drive (HAH!) €6,-
Logitech Cordless Desktop Deluxe (keyb. + mouse) € 64,-
That's €1539!
Well okay, maybe some extra's and the club3d ati radeon 8500 is a version that maybe doesn't work with AOS4 , so i'll add a extra €100 for it okay???
so let's make it €1700,-!!
That's a LOT cheaper than your €2259,-! (GBP1349; via apple.com)
And it's a lot more powerful than "your" system too. (two G4's does not mean that your system is twice as fast..) a fast HDD and a good videocard AND an speedy, neat, clean OS is more important than an extra processor!
Oh.. and how much is an g4 processor??? €559,- ??? I bet it isn't much more than that eh?
SO, I don't think the A1 is overpriced... maybe only in comparison with x86 hardware, but that's another story.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 13 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 06-Nov-2002 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Roy):
Just try putting a classic system together. CyberstormPPC that sort
of thing and you'll find the A1 system are good value for money in
terms of what Amiga users have been paying up till now.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 14 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 06-Nov-2002 17:50 GMT
Lets's compare a little better.
The A1 have:
Faster Gfx (G4mx vs Ati8500, proberly 64mb vs 128mb also)
More memory
Better sound (SBlive vs ?)
Bigger harddrive (+20gig)
Dvd drive + CDrw drive ( vs compo drive (speeds??)
The Mac have:
Dual Cpu
Faster memory (PC2100 vs PC133)
Faster Ethernet (1Gbit vs 100Mbit)
Firewire
Modem (so what :-)
All in all, i would say that the price is very competitive.
Personally i would rather spend the money on A1.
LB
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 15 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Roy on 06-Nov-2002 17:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Rob):
Yes you are right.
For such a small company as Eyetech I found the price of the A1 quite reasonable. I expected a higher price for it. So all naysayers here just look at the numbers (especially x86 dudes) and flaming the "lousy" specs of the A1.
They forget that computers isn't about POWER alone, it's NOT about the MHZ, MIPS, RAM etc; It's the useabillity and sphere etc; of the Amiga that makes using this computer so satisfactioning.
Jay Miner said it a long time ago.. but he was right.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 16 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by smp266 on 06-Nov-2002 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Roy):
I don't want to get hostile towards the Mac. Mac people can do what they want, I'm sure they know what they want in a computer.
Amiga has the advantage of being easily upgradeable (right up to the latest Radeon?)
Mac isn't designed for Amiga users, it's for Mac users.
If Amiga and some of it's software is a little more expensive for the next year or two... It will help attract all the companies that only care about $$$.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 17 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 06-Nov-2002 18:34 GMT
Why'd the iOpener have to put the 'Help' key next to backspace? Briefly retyped post:
-With all this Mac arguing, what do they have for audio chipsets these days, anyway? My Old World(?) G3 has a Cirrus/Crystal chip on par with an AC97 board... have they moved on to EMU10k1s/similar now? Remember, we're *supposed* to be getting software support that actually utilizes the EMU in everyday use, rather than treating it as a glorified DAC as most Wintel users do. [Enh, I'm probably talking out my posterior, being happy with a generic AC97 setup myself... does WinAMP hardware-accellerate with a Live, and if so, do users actually configure it to do so?]
-What's planned by way of CPU cooling? Been a while since I looked at the thermal guidelines for the chips... be nice to know what's considered spec for a production machine, versus the demo systems...
...of course, the Naya case *would* look rather bling with some red-and-white LED fans... ;)
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 18 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 06-Nov-2002 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Im not sure of the use of the Mac comparisons either. The strength of the Amiga
hand is insufficient to take on the current Mac portfolio but is a good relaunch
to the community platform.
If you don't think it competes with platform X,Y and Z then go and buy from
those platforms ( I did ) and if the other platforms don't scratch the itch
( didnt for me ) then just observe until it does.
I am still holding back on it until AmigaOS4 is released because I already
have Linux on PPC hardware thanks to the direction already followed by Ole and
some second hand kit from IBM ;-). I have no direct interest in Pegasos/MorphOS although I welcome its existance if for nothing else to give a mighty kick up the @rse to Amiga Inc and give it some healthy competition.
Dave.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 19 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 06-Nov-2002 21:24 GMT
FYI even though the G4 doesn't support the bandwidth of the DDR SDRAM it does speed up DMA memory xfers like file i/o and graphics. Many mac users however buy old Mac systems which use PC-133 because they're a better deal.
Apple's new portables are really good though. Especially the new ones which were released Nov 6th. mmm
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 20 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by The_Gooze on 06-Nov-2002 22:00 GMT
Just a thought.
Does the Mac come with a monitor for this price - I guess the A1 does not
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 21 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Nov-2002 23:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Roy):
You're confused. Jay Miner was /dead/. It's Kernighan and Ritchie who were /right/
When Amigans make these kind of elementary mistakes it completely explains why they're so desperate to waste money and brutally injure themselves in search of something that was never more than "cheap and cheerful" and is no longer either.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 22 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 06-Nov-2002 23:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
In a crusade to lessen the pointless flaming in general, could you just go and
use/buy Mac if you find it so much better and let us moronic Amiga half-wits live
happily in our little world of ignorance?
Thanks.
.
SlimJim
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 23 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Nov-2002 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Roy):
"And it's a lot more powerful than "your" system too"
So you reckon a single 800MHz G4 is more powerful even than a single 867MHz G4 (even allowing for you running a single task at once and thus not getting any benefit from the second 867MHz G4)?
Get real, matey.
MHz means nothing, it is true, except between the same architecture of CPU. Which is where you fall flat on your face, because we are comparing G4 with G4, and 867MHz is faster (and hence more powerful) than 800MHz. Even before you factor in teh 2nd CPU (which IS used - MacOSX is fully SMP-aware and makes full use of both CPUs).
However, back to my key point which is that peopel slag off Macs for being overpriced, and then along comes the AmigaOne which costs even more for less - apart from a few Amiga users, who is going to consider a computer even more overpriced than one renown for being overpriced?
THAT is my point.
Eyetech announce pre built specs : Comment 24 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by dakang on 07-Nov-2002 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
You really are an idiot aren't you? Go back to playing with your XBOX you lamer.
You want Eyetech from Yorkshire to take on Apple? Please!...
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