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Posted on 07-Dec-2002 18:52 GMT by Ferry30 comments
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I have seen this image on Aminet. Guess the name under the patch? ;-) Saluditos, Ferrán.
Umilator image : Comment 1 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 07-Dec-2002 17:54 GMT
After the preview, the link dissappeared...
Here it goes:
ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/pix/misc/umilator.jpg
Saluditos,
Ferrán.
Umilator image : Comment 2 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2002 18:13 GMT
LOL!
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Posted by Kronos on 07-Dec-2002 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
"LOL" ?? Crying shame I would say ....
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 07-Dec-2002 18:34 GMT
That's the "sanitised" version.
Here's what the real one looked like:
http://www.umilator.net/boot.jpg
...and no, that's not what the commercial version would have looked like.
Umilator image : Comment 5 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 07-Dec-2002 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Hoggett):
O.k. that IS a LOL!
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Posted by catohagen on 07-Dec-2002 19:23 GMT
i see from http://www.umilator.net that Bernie have been subscribed from the
Amithlon Yahoo group together with his girlfriend...
That he checks up and reads in the amithlon lists must mean he still have
some interrest in the community ? :)
I got the impression that he would leave the whole amiga platform and never
turn back both as developer and user....
The umilator shoots looked good :)
are the paper taped onto the screen or drawn to look like this on the logo ?
Umilator image : Comment 7 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 07-Dec-2002 20:05 GMT
heh.
I thought there would be some great news from the show.
Guess not.
I can't believe they took the chance of showing Amithlon.
I'm glad the cameras are there.
Wow, what a mistake.
Umilator image : Comment 8 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 07-Dec-2002 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Brad Ray):
Take the time to read and you might have spotted the image was on Aminet. You then might have spotted that the picture was taken at an Australian user group meeting.
Wow, what a mistake!
Umilator image : Comment 9 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 07-Dec-2002 22:38 GMT
Thanks
Umilator image : Comment 10 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 07-Dec-2002 23:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kronos):
> Crying shame I would say ....
It really is a crying shame. I bet I'd be even more pissed if I had the pleasure of fully seeing what we're missing. It was said that Amiga inc had big plans for this release, and in this one instance, I could believe them.
This whole situation just plain old sucks.
Umilator image : Comment 11 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2002 23:39 GMT
It really just makes a sane person want to go out and shoot someone. I can't stand it, it really is an outrage. I hope beyond all hope that H&P goes out of business in the next year.
Umilator image : Comment 12 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Bernd Meyer on 08-Dec-2002 00:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Brad Ray):
Eek! This had nothing to do with the Aachen show. It's just a picture that Craig took 3 months ago and has held under wraps till now...
re comment 6: No paper taped to the screen. I just had a bit of fun with my scanner and The Gimp.
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Posted by T_Bone on 08-Dec-2002 01:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bernd Meyer):
@Bernd
> re comment 6: No paper taped to the screen. I just had a bit of fun with my scanner and The Gimp.
I love it! :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 08:53 GMT
What's so special about that picture ? Showing GPL'ed Linux tools as Screenshot and naming it Umilator is kinda stupid.
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Posted by Johan Grevstad on 08-Dec-2002 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Bernd Meyer):
@Bernie
I love it and I want it..
This is sad indeed.
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Posted by Brad on 08-Dec-2002 17:09 GMT
I don't get it. Maybe someone can explain what seems like an otherwise useless news posting.
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Posted by T_Bone on 09-Dec-2002 04:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
> Showing GPL'ed Linux tools as Screenshot and naming it Umilator is kinda stupid.
Isn't that what linux news sites do? Show screenshots of GPL software named Redhat, Slackware, etc? Why would an Amiga site not show an Amiga tool?
Anywhoo Umilator is not GPL. You can do the legwork yourself to find out for yourself as I'm tired of the same old troll as the likes of this one.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (T_Bone):
Actually you would make a funny pet but that's almost all. Amithlon is stolen UAE code as we all know and as it was prooven many many times. Showing some GRUB or LILO bootloader screens is not UMITHLON. Now repeat it.
Haage & Partner are thiefes,
Bernie Meyer is a thief,
and every supporter of this is a thief too.
Amithlon depends on UAE and LINUX code and therefore written by others to be released under GNU/GPL for one reason, to support the free software community, to help other people getting into development, to share a philosophy, to give something back to the community and other FREE Software writers.
WHAT DID BERNIE MEYER gave back to the opensource community ? He uses GPL'ed Software to write his POS stuff and don't intend to give something back to the opensource community.
Oh and don't reply that he got permission from the Copyright holder of UAE. You will repeat yourself many times now. Regardless to this many others have a different opinion but a lot of the people that Commercially bought Amithlon have 5% Braincapacity to understand what GNU/GPL stands for. They don't care at all because they live in a different computer community where they are used to STEAL things for the past 10-15 years. Those who use opensource for more than just 2-3 days think differently.
By the way 'Showing Bootloaders is not Umithlon!'
Umilator image : Comment 19 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 09-Dec-2002 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
"By the way 'Showing Bootloaders is not Umithlon!'"
No, but this was the actual boot screen of the Beta version of Umilator.
Umilator have no actual look, it looks just like AmigaOS.
LB
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (T_Bone):
"It was said that Amiga inc had big plans for this release, and in this one instance, I could believe them."
IF they had been serious, THEN they woudl have stepped in and resolved the issue. It is easy for them to do.
That they have done fsck all apart from McEwen making false announcements last year and then wringing his hands this year only goes to show what little interest they really did have.
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Dec-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
"Oh and don't reply that he got permission from the Copyright holder of UAE."
Please post information which clearly says that meyer has not recieved permission to use the 3rd party code that he is using. Currently you are just expressing an opinion without facts.
"Amithlon is stolen UAE code as we all know"
Do we all know that? Are you a statistics organisation? Where are the facts to support that there is stolen UAE code in Amithlon?
I'm generally interrested in this issue, so please post some real info. Thanks.
/Björn
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Björn Hagström):
> > "Oh and don't reply that he got permission from the Copyright holder of UAE."
> Please post information which clearly says that meyer has not recieved permission to
> use the 3rd party code that he is using. Currently you are just expressing an opinion
> without facts.
Can you post the oposite ?
> > "Amithlon is stolen UAE code as we all know"
> Do we all know that? Are you a statistics organisation? Where are the facts to
> support that there is stolen UAE code in Amithlon?
> I'm generally interrested in this issue, so please post some real info. Thanks.
http://byron.csse.monash.edu.au/amithlon.html
"The emulator is based on UAE, that's GPL'ed code. It's GPL!"
"Yes, the emulator was derived from UAE sources."
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Dec-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
> Can you post the oposite ?
This isn't about that. It's about why anyone should take your anonymous word for it. You'll need to present far more facts than you have to do that. Opinion alone does not prove anything.
>http://byron.csse.monash.edu.au/amithlon.html
>"The emulator is based on UAE, that's GPL'ed code. It's GPL!"
>"Yes, the emulator was derived from UAE sources."
Nothing there states nor proves that Amithlon uses stolen code. Yes it may seem as if the writer avoids his own question. But that alone does not prove that he does not have permission to use that particualar part of UAE.
/Björn
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 09-Dec-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Björn Hagström):
> Nothing there states nor proves that Amithlon uses stolen code. Yes it may
> seem as if the writer avoids his own question.
Actually, he didn't. The issue is fully addressed in the lines that follow the bit our anonymous cowardly troll quoted. It's called "selective quoting" and "taking things out of context".
There is no GPL code in the Amithlon binary. End of story.
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Bill Hoggett):
> There is no GPL code in the Amithlon binary. End of story.
Now for the narrowminded amongst us. UAE is GNU/GPL and all derivated code from it has to be GNU/GPL too. End of story.
You Mr. Bill Hogget are a dirty liyar exactly as the other pro Bernie Meyer crowd. Show me the fucking agreement that Bernie Meyer signed with the UAE people. Scan that crap and put it as jpg on a fucking webpage for us to see that you are not speaking out of your ass.
Umilator image : Comment 26 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 09-Dec-2002 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
As said earlier and well from Bill Hoggett, these are all 'selective quoting' made by you. he way you expressed yourself it could be easy o agree with you, but with a little research is easy to deconstruct your logic...
The points are:
1) Amithlon "sits on top of a modified linux kernel" and as such it is under GPL, and it source is open;
2) It's clearly said that he had to ditch a lot of UAE modules and replace them with his own. For the ones he need he had reached an agreement with their authors, who gave him a *non-GPL* licence to these pieces of code.
so...
a) "releasing some code under the GPL does not mean the author is giving up ownership of the code. What it does is to grant an irrevocable license to everyone to use and do certain other things with the code."
b) "This license is non-exclusive. The author may choose to grant additional licenses with other conditions."
leading that is to
c) "If the author produces derivative code, based on code he released under the GPL earlier, there is absolutely no need to release that new stuff under the GPL as well."
but if someone don't wan't to pay for it,or had acquired only the GPLed version, he can only use the GPL version, "bounded by the conditions placed on him by the GPL."
Check your facts first...
Umilator image : Comment 27 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Iggy Drougge on 10-Dec-2002 03:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
I hope that HP, publishers of some really good Amiga software, don't go out of business because people feel vengeful because of their dealings with a souped-up Amiga _emulator_.
So you've lost your emulator. Get a Pegasos.
Umilator image : Comment 28 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 10-Dec-2002 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Iggy Drougge):
Maybe when there is an decent CPU module availabe. Why should I replace my *three-year* old computer with something even slower?
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Posted by Phill on 10-Dec-2002 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
> Now for the narrowminded amongst us. UAE is GNU/GPL and all derivated code from it has to be GNU/GPL too.
Thats not true, but if you're that narrowminded you don't care about the truth.
Didn't he actually write a lot of the code for UAE that got reused in Amithlon?
Umilator image : Comment 30 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 10-Dec-2002 22:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
> but a lot of the people that Commercially bought Amithlon have 5%
> Braincapacity to understand what GNU/GPL stands for. They don't care at all
> because they live in a different computer community where they are used to
> STEAL things for the past 10-15 years. Those who use opensource for more
> than just 2-3 days think differently.
People who are obsessed with open source have serious mental problems.
"Use Linux instead of Windows XP to get one over on Bill" ( well I guess you could use the money you saved to buy a clue ).
There are some good pieces of GPL software, there are also other open source projects that have avoided GPL for various reasons. IMHO GPL is like communism. It also allows you to steal from programmers, by trying to take their rights away & you still get to feel ok about it. Fortunately, it is possible to dual license & the LGPL isn't anywhere near as stupid.
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