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Posted on 08-Dec-2002 11:07 GMT by Manou82 comments
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I've seen what the Amiga is and what it could be! Apparently the Amiga market is dead! (OK I will get flames for this but that's how I see it!) Hi folks

I've been at the Amiga Retro Show in Aachen on Saturday 7th Dec. At 11 o'clock in the morning there were only some visitors but after 13 o'clock there were really many (too many) visitors. A handfull of dealers selling either old or the latest software / hardware. On some dealers stands one could talk to some developers like Jürgen Schober. Most area was occupied by Thendic! Guy/girls they know how to attract the crowds!

As a hardcore Amiga fan since 1986 (I own 8 Amigas), I never really interested what Thendic does, so never really followed what the Pegasos is. So my way was up to the stand of KDH were Jürgen Schober showed a running Amiga One G3 with SUSE PPC LINUX. It's fast! Point! Faster than my iMAC (G3). Though it only ran with 50MHz because he installed the wrong RAM and had no cooling fan on the CPU. KDE 3 run as it should and also the installed OpenOffice works as expected. Boot time is OK for LINUX. But there was NO Amiga OS4. But I was told that it exists, Jürgen has a beta version of Amiga OS on his PPC card at home. And the only remaining problem is the 68k emulation to be integrated as it should be, there are some cahing 68k problems to be solved yet!

What about the hardware bug? Well the board shown had still the bug, but it doesn't show up while running! And the G3 boards which were sold at the KDH stand had the hardware bug alreday fixed. So there will be NO Amiga One boards sold with bug. Point!

The G4 board has been completely redesigned, with NO bug either.

I was told by some developers and dealers that Amiga OS 4 will come soon, End December or January 2002/2003.

The other (yes there were 2 Amiga ONE G3 running) Amiga One was demoed at the stand of www.amiga-news.de. This one had the bug-fixed boar installed. So it did ran the same Linux. But already had the new Amiga ONE Logo pasted on the front panel.

Then I went over to the big stand of Thendic. There were at least 20-30 super designed PC boxes (all made of polished metal, like some refrigirators, you know the very expensive ones!) wow these ones looked great! Each box had 2 front panels which slowly opened when pressed, like some expensive VCRs or Stereo HiFi racks. If Bang and Olufsen is the crème de la crème for Hifi rack designs than this is true for the PC boxes Thendic used! (Though they're NOT produced by Thendic, but by a french company). Oh yes there was even a microwave oven made of the same material, running MorphOS in the doorscreen. Really cool. I just asked myself what happens if one press the Reset button, will cooking RESET too ? :-)

In the morning the THENDIC area looked like a battle field. All boxes were opened with harddisk and Pegasos motherboards lying around! Why? Well I was told that these are the very new Pegasos boards wihth the April chip Bug fix. So Thendic isn't selling bugged board either! Point. These boards had been delivered by UPS on Friday evening at 19 o'clock! So the whole Thendic crew was assembling the PEGASOS computers during the show. At 12 o'clock I was in front of a PEGASOS computer when the last screw got fiexed: screen switched on, pressed the Power On button on the PEGASOS...then after 2-5 Seconds Morphos was running!!! Wow this is the fastest booting computer I've ever seen! Except for my Psion Netbook and my other Psions, but these really don't boot, just switch off the dsiplay.

MorphOS looks really very professional, 32bit icons and everything runs like we are used with Amiga OS. Though none of the machines I tried (3-5) crashed, some progs didn't run so good. Screen or better windows refresh was crippled. But I assume that's teh fault of the 2 progs I tried.

When I talked to one of the developers, he told me that the PEGASOS can also run MAC OS 10.2 (Jaguar) out of the box! Just insert the CD-ROM and you do have a real G3, G4 or double G4 MAC, which is running faster than a real MAC! Though Thendic isn't allowed to sell MAC OS but they are negociating with Apple on this subject, and things aren't looking so bad!

Of course you can also run PPC Linux on the Pegasos and also Windows! Yes Windows! That is all the Windows Display functions are emulated so that the real Win Prog runs on a Windows PC but the screen output and data input (keyboard, mouse...) comes from the PEGASOS.

There are also negociations to get QNX and BeOS running on the PEGASOS.

As you see the PEGASOS is an OPEN-OS-COMPUTER. One computer for all OS. Only the AMIGA OS 4 is missing. According to the Thendic crew it should be no problem to run it on the PEGASOS, but the problem is that Amiga Inc. only wants that ONLY AMIGA OS is running an a computer and NO OTHER OS, except LINUX. Amiga Inc is trying the same politics as Apple, but Amiga Inc. hasn't the power nor the money to do so!

The other great piece of hardware Thendic showed was the color WebCam. No bigger than a cigarette box, is can send its signal via coax video cable or ethernet or wireless lan or serial line or GPRS!!!! To any video or computer or mobile phone /PDA. The software running inside is MORPHOS.

Than I was told about the ECLIPSIS: It is the PEGASOS board but reduced to as PDA sized device. But it will be a special PDA, becuase you can run all the OSes I told above!!!! You are not forced to use PALM OS (which is only good for agenda functions, or PocketPC which is really useless, BTW the only really reliable PDA OS is SYMBIAN like Psion PDAs use or like 80 percent of all mobile phones use!!!) you can run MorphOS, LINUX or MAC or whatever is available for the PEGASOS. But it is not just a PDA but a real computer, with MP3 (stereo input/output sound) capabilities, which can be connected to any sound equipment, but also a complete video editing hardware with built in cam with the same features as the WebCam described above. OH yes it will have VGA output to 2 monitors!!!! And much more. Why do I write in future time? Well the ECLIPSIS is still at prototype stage that is it works if you run it from the PEGASOS computer, it's mini-ATX boards has yet to be reduced to PDA size. But the first PDA prototypes will be shown at the CeBIT 2003 and at the Comdex 2003 (autumn) and it will be available beginning 2004 fro around 500 Euro!!!

The future looks great for Thendic, because they use any situation to show there products and many non-Amiga developers want there computer, why one only needs one computer for many OS. Point.

As for Amiga Inc. the time is gone I'm afraid. Many of the developers and dealers I talked to or listened all said they think Amiga Inc. has NO money, so all work is done by other companies. Amiga Inc is just setting up a homepage with nice letters but no real products. So where are these AmigaAnywhere products for my Sharp Zaurus or Psion NetBook that were demoed many months ago? Why does Amiga OS 4 take so long? Well Amiga Inc hasn't the money to to anything. IMHO Amiga Inc will go to Thendic and allow them to use Amiga OS 4.

And why is the Amiga market dead? Everybody bought some products at the Retro show, but there was nothing really new, except the new mainboards. I have bought a new front panel for my original A3000T, some progs and I'm waiting to my OS4 and G4 :-) Bye Manou

Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 1 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 08-Dec-2002 10:33 GMT
I think this was the most and most coherent info I have had on MOS/Pegasos yet... ;-)
Good Review. Balanced, albeit personal opinions should be put in the comments and not in
the news item itself.
.
SlimJim
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 2 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 10:39 GMT
>Why does Amiga OS 4 take so long?
God, what a stupid question. Software development takes time. Porting an OS isn't an easy task.
>IMHO Amiga Inc will go to Thendic and allow them to use Amiga OS 4.
lol, when hell freezes over.
This was a good report up until the end where you had to spout off your moronic opinions.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 3 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 10:53 GMT
So so report. Started out good, but only hear-say and rumours in the last two thirds.
> Though Thendic isn't allowed to sell MAC OS but they are negociating with Apple on this subject, and things aren't looking so bad!
Yeah right. Apple allows Genesi to sell Mac clones.
> ...but the problem is that Amiga Inc. only wants that ONLY AMIGA OS is running an a computer and NO OTHER OS, except LINUX.
And thats a straight out lie.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 4 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 10:55 GMT
> According to the Thendic crew it should be no problem to run it on the
> PEGASOS, but the problem is that Amiga Inc. only wants that ONLY AMIGA OS is
> running an a computer and NO OTHER OS, except LINUX. Amiga Inc is trying the
> same politics as Apple, but Amiga Inc. hasn't the power nor the money to do
> so!
It is really sad to see that the Thendic crew is spreading such complete and utter nonesense. Who were these guys? Although I would expect such crap to come from Bill Buck, I really do hope their employees don't lower themselves to his level.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 5 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 08-Dec-2002 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Feel sorry for you that somebody had to give a good report. You must really suffer. I think the report was very balanced, but also shows the regret that Amiga Inc just keeps sinking. I could grant them that they did not have a real stand, but on the other hand, they should have.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 6 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 08-Dec-2002 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mike Bouma):
What other OS' is AmigaOne running than Linux and perhaps OS4?
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 7 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 08-Dec-2002 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Mekanix):
there has been talks of OpenBSD and NetBSD for instance. This is not something that amiga or any other company has any say about. the notion that amiga inc. only wants linux and OS4 is ridiciculous and wrong.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 8 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Mekanix):
As you know Linux already runs with the new PPCBoot ROM.
And the "Amiga Inc. only wants that ONLY AMIGA OS is running an a computer" is complete FUD and misinformation about a 3rd party products.
Amiga/Hyperion/Mai/Eyetech would like to see as many reasons for people to buy this hardware as possible, so this would include any 3rd party operating system without exceptions.
I would really hope that Thendic will not continue to present itself to be the spokesman for rival companies or products.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 9 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by miky060 on 08-Dec-2002 12:00 GMT
Be happy people!!
Pegasos is arrived!! And it rulex on the world!!!!!!!! 8-))))
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 10 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mike Bouma):
Mike, it's true there are a few incoherences, but we can't blame
the guy who made the report, b/c he doesn't seem biased : he seems
really interested in OS 4 too.
About MacOS, I guess he meant : you can install it out of the box...
on linux !
I guess he has misunderstood a few things - maybe he didn't read
the news too much recently
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 11 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by MrFoo on 08-Dec-2002 12:04 GMT
The Pegasos needs A GOOD OS to run on it :-D
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 12 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (miky060):
YEs, yes and YEsssss, i want MY PEGASOS, with all this options Pegasos+MorphOS is out of doubt the best way for me now HHoooo hoooouuuuu
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 13 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by MrFoo on 08-Dec-2002 12:05 GMT
The Pegasos needs A GOOD OS to run on it :-D
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 14 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Mr Foo on 08-Dec-2002 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (miky060):
*LOL*
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 15 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 08-Dec-2002 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Mike Bouma):
A none then...
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 16 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Dec-2002 12:17 GMT
> pressed the Power On button on the PEGASOS...then after 2-5 Seconds Morphos
>was running!!! Wow this is the fastest booting computer I've ever seen!
eh ? have you seen other 'real' amigas booting ? I have a recovery boot partition
with the minimum stuff installed(os3.9/mui/miami) and it too boots at 2-5 secs,
3 secs to be more presice...and thats on a 060
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 17 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (catohagen):
Yeah, but it's not really comparable.
AmigaOS 1-3 was written in assembly for a specific hardware.
It uses a ROM etc..
MorphOS has to load the kernel (longest part), load the
drivers for the right gfx board...
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 18 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (mahen):
... and it has some debug outputs slowing it down ....
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 19 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Dec-2002 12:45 GMT
Anyone have news about the April chip and its features beyond the usual
fixes it does ?
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 20 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 08-Dec-2002 12:46 GMT
For the Mac OSX Issue on the Pegasos, I think this guy has understood something totally wrong.
During the Presentation, Gerald Carda was asked about the possibility to run OSX directly
on the Pegasos. And Gerald told him that this will not happen due the Apple License thing, so
I asked him what about Darwin, he smiled and said, yes this should be no Problem at all.
So there is nothing new, Genesi themselve could not modify OS X for running on the Pegasos,
but there is no Problem porting Darwin on it, and for the rest, have a look at Ryan Ramples Mac Site ;-)
There you could find out how to make OSX on older Apple and Clones working.. shouldnt be difficult for the
Pegasos either.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 21 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Dec-2002 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (mahen):
ok....i forgot about that....i guess there is even 2 kernels that have to be
loaded, quark and exec or its equvalent for running apps in a-box
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 22 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Dec-2002 13:02 GMT
> So my way was up to the stand of KDH were Jürgen Schober showed a running
> Amiga One G3 with SUSE PPC LINUX.
Wow! (droool!) ;-)
> Though it only ran with 50MHz because he installed the wrong RAM and had no
> cooling fan on the CPU.
That's a pitty.
> What about the hardware bug? ... So there will be NO Amiga One boards sold
> with bug.
You are talking about *one* bug (the "september" bug)? There are no other problems?
> The other (yes there were 2 Amiga ONE G3 running) Amiga One was demoed at
> the stand of www.amiga-news.de. This one had the bug-fixed boar installed.
> So it did ran the same Linux. But already had the new Amiga ONE Logo pasted
> on the front panel.
LOL!
> When I talked to one of the developers, he told me that the PEGASOS can also
> run MAC OS 10.2 (Jaguar) out of the box! Just insert the CD-ROM and you do
> have a real G3, G4 or double G4 MAC, which is running faster than a real
> MAC! Though Thendic isn't allowed to sell MAC OS but they are negociating
> with Apple on this subject, and things aren't looking so bad!
Wow, that was interesting!
> Of course you can also run PPC Linux on the Pegasos and also Windows! Yes
> Windows! That is all the Windows Display functions are emulated so that the
> real Win Prog runs on a Windows PC but the screen output and data input
> (keyboard, mouse...) comes from the PEGASOS.
Hmm ... (Me visualizing a x86 computer on a PCI card) :-D
> As you see the PEGASOS is an OPEN-OS-COMPUTER. One computer for all OS.
Yeah. That's nice to see. That's the way to go, IMHO.
> Only the AMIGA OS 4 is missing.
But OTOH, OS4 is missing on other hardware too! :P
> According to the Thendic crew it should be no problem to run it on the
> PEGASOS,
Of course not!
> but the problem is that Amiga Inc.
Of course! Amiga Inc is allways a problem!
> The other great piece of hardware Thendic showed was the color WebCam. No
> bigger than a cigarette box, is can send its signal via coax video cable or
> ethernet or wireless lan or serial line or GPRS!!!! To any video or computer
> or mobile phone /PDA. The software running inside is MORPHOS.
WOW!!! *That* was interesting. Me wants! Me wants!
> Then I was told about the ECLIPSIS: It is the PEGASOS board but reduced to
> as PDA sized device. But it will be a special PDA, becuase you can run all
> the OSes I told above!!!!
> But it is not just a PDA but a real computer, with MP3 (stereo input/output
> sound) capabilities, which can be connected to any sound equipment, but also
> a complete video editing hardware with built in cam with the same features
> as the WebCam described above. OH yes it will have VGA output to 2
> monitors!!!! And much more.
WOW!!!! ME WANTS, ME WANTS!! :-)
I think Genesi really have a winner here! (Thinking about all the creative things you can do with a PDA-sized computer of that magnitude!)
> As for Amiga Inc. the time is gone I'm afraid. Many of the developers and
> dealers I talked to or listened all said they think Amiga Inc. has NO money,
> so all work is done by other companies. Amiga Inc is just setting up a
> homepage with nice letters but no real products.
Well, but what's the news in that? Hasn't that been a fact to everyone at least for the latest 0.5-1 years?
> IMHO Amiga Inc will go to Thendic and allow them to use Amiga OS 4.
Well, but then there allready are MorphOS. What is OS4 going to offer that MorphOS doesn't? To me, OS4 feels kind of bloated with old 3.x 68k code and some old hacks and third party programs bundled with it?
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 23 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (catohagen):
Dunno how it works... :(
But there's only one kernel.
As AmigaOS was rewritten, it must use Quark directly ?
(please, be tolerant, I don't know anything about how OS'es
work !)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 24 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 08-Dec-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
The x86 computer on a pci-board you are talking about exist already if you didn't know. Sun has OEM'd one of these to be sold with their workstations.
Own cpu, own ram, own graphics, own sound etc.
It uses the hosting machines' ethernet and serialports I think. Quite nice.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 25 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 08-Dec-2002 13:15 GMT
Balanced? BALANCED? This guy hasn't got a clue.
1.Windows apps running on a PPC, because it has emulated functions?
2.Mac OS X running out of the box?
3.Amiga only wanting Eyetecs AmigaOne to _only_ run AmigaOS ?
4.Thendic knowing how to attract people using girls?
5.Amiga Inc doesn't have money _AND_ doesn't do anything themselves?
6.Amiga Inc will drop its only way of ensuring AmigaOS4 won't get pirated to death?
7.PocketPC useless and Symbian the best PDA OS?
Haha, balanced? Ok, if you say so...
btw. Answers to the questions above:
1.Wine, 2.Yeah right, 3.Eyetech sells non-dongled PPCs too, 4.ANNEX, 5.in that case they're faking it really good, 6.Yep, now seems like a really good time to do exactly _that_, 7.Ever heard of Zaurus? (Linux/qtopia++)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 26 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 08-Dec-2002 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Nicolas Mendoza):
> 5.Amiga Inc doesn't have money _AND_ doesn't do anything themselves?
I wonder why Amiga Inc. is silent when it comes to discount coupons and to those (AFAIK) undelivered t-shirts... In addition Amiga Inc is not funding OS4 project at all (Hyperion is doing its own). They never promote their products in fairs. I really wonder if they are doing at all. At least not making money :)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 27 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 08-Dec-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Bladerunner):
Isn't "Ryan Remperl" :))
ikez
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 28 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 08-Dec-2002 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (ikez):
Ahhhh sh##### "Ryan Rempel" :)
ikez
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 29 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by CnlPepper on 08-Dec-2002 15:05 GMT
(sarcasm on)
Having a PC screen on morphos and accessing the mouse and keyboard!!?!?!?!?
OH WOW morpos has a version of VNC or Citrix.....amazing!
(sarcasm over)
There have been versions of VNC and citrix for the amiga OS for years. It is nothing new....infact I'm using vnc right now to fiddle around with a win2k router. (no idea what I'm talking about look here: www.realvnc.com)
Lets let somebody who knows what they are talking about write a review.
CnlPepper - Going to make a list of users and their bias for referance....
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 30 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 08-Dec-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (ikez):
See how fast this could happen? *lol*
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 31 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 08-Dec-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (ikez):
See how fast this could happen? *lol*
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 32 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Manou Billa on 08-Dec-2002 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (mahen):
No the real MAC OS 10.2 (Jaguar) boot right from the CDROM.
It's exactly that I was told by the GENESI people!
Negociations with Apple are on the way!
Bye Manou
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 33 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Manou BILLA on 08-Dec-2002 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (catohagen):
Hi
I know the Amiga can boot very fast! But this is the complete MorphOS booting!!!
Not a minimal configuration.
My A3000T 060 boots in 49 secs, but than more than 20 Progs are up and running
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 34 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Manou BILLA on 08-Dec-2002 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Nicolas Mendoza):
>Balanced? BALANCED? This guy hasn't got a clue.
Of course I have but I did just write what I was told from all the people I talk and listened too.
>1.Windows apps running on a PPC, because it has emulated functions?
Windows running in a so called VNC mode
>2.Mac OS X running out of the box?
MAC OS 10.2 Jaguar: negociations with Apple are going on
>3.Amiga only wanting Eyetecs AmigaOne to _only_ run AmigaOS ?
No according to GENESI Amiga Inc. only wants Amiga OS to run on computers which are not able to run other OS
>4.Thendic knowing how to attract people using girls?
I only saw one girl :-)
20-30 running PEGASOS that's enough compared to 2 AmigaONEs hidden in a corner
>5.Amiga Inc doesn't have money _AND_ doesn't do anything themselves?
The money issue was also exclamed by NON GENESI people, but by many AMIGA developers too.
>6.Amiga Inc will drop its only way of ensuring AmigaOS4 won't get pirated to death?
Any program is piratbable.
>7.PocketPC useless and Symbian the best PDA OS?
Have you tried them? I do have Palm, PocketPC, Psion and Zaurus PDAs.
All are crap compared to the functionality of Symbian. POINT.
The Zaurus is great but it is lacking too many features yet.
OpenZaurus is going to catch up, but for now Symbian PDAs can replace a complete desktop computer. With Palm and PocketPC you need a desktop computer to run them correctly.
>Haha, balanced? Ok, if you say so...
>btw. Answers to the questions above:
>1.Wine, 2.Yeah right, 3.Eyetech sells non-dongled PPCs too, 4.ANNEX, 5.in that >case they're faking it really good, 6.Yep, now seems like a really good time to >do exactly _that_, 7.Ever heard of Zaurus? (Linux/qtopia++)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 35 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 08-Dec-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Manou Billa):
Negotiations? Like this you mean?
"To: steve@apple.com
From: bbrv
Subject: Attack of the Clones
Hi Steve,
Fancy giving us a license to sell our motherboards with MacOS and cutting yourself out of some inflated hardware income? Look forward to hearing from you."
Sent two weeks ago and still no reply. Guess negotiations are ongoing ;p
Mind you, stranger things have happened. It might be a way for Apple to get a no-risk (for them) Mac based PDA if the Eclipsis runs it too. Although (if one doesn't already exist), I'd have thought Apple would be into that already.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 36 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 18:55 GMT
|Though it only ran with 50MHz because he installed the wrong RAM and had no
|cooling fan on the CPU
*ROTFBTC* I leave this uncommented
|Well the board shown had still the bug, but it doesn't show up while running!
You mean it _didn't_ there and then!
|So there will be NO Amiga One boards sold with bug.
So if there still is a bug, will they give me twice the money back I payed? :-)
|The G4 board has been completely redesigned, with NO bug either.
Cool, they have redesigned the Articia S and VIA686B. ;-)
|I was told by some developers and dealers that Amiga OS 4 will come soon,
|End December or January 2002/2003.
Cool news - public beta or final version?
|(Though they're NOT produced by Thendic, but by a french company)
Coolermaster is a french company?
|All boxes were opened with harddisk and Pegasos motherboards lying around! Why?
At least so you can get a nice look inside and see the components and April.
|pressed the Power On button on the PEGASOS...then after 2-5 Seconds Morphos
|was running!!!
I measured 5s BIOS screen, 3s MOS boot - but some machines took much longer, funny!
|Though none of the machines I tried (3-5) crashed, some progs didn't run so good.
|Screen or better windows refresh was crippled.
I would consider current development status "usable". There are some issues still
appearent with the systems shown there, but they don't appear too serious for a
"new" OS. I and another visitor managed to freeze the GUI (system?) once. This
happened unintentionally.
|When I talked to one of the developers, he told me that the PEGASOS can also run
|MAC OS 10.2 (Jaguar) out of the box!
Huh? Wow!
|have a real G3, G4 or double G4 MAC, which is running faster than a real MAC!
How so, Mac has the faster architecture atm, don't you think?
|Yes Windows! That is all the Windows Display functions are emulated
Under MOS or Linux? Sounds funny.
|But the first PDA prototypes will be shown at the CeBIT 2003 and at the Comdex
|2003 (autumn) and it will be available beginning 2004 fro around 500 Euro!!!
I hear it's more like 700Euro, but this is really an exciting piece of hardware
(on paper at least). It will use 800MHz PPC750FX which consumes only 3.6W and
can dynamically clock down to 400MHz so to save even much more power. I think
they keep the Articia but scrap all the bulky desktop stuff like AGP/PCI ports,
parallel connector etc. It will be a cigarette-box sized PCB with parts mounted
on both sides and include a mobility gfxchip with 32MB embedded onchip-RAM. It
can also output to TV and somebody wrote they even want to include GPS (what I
didn't hear personally, though).
Thanks for your most interesting report, the Pegasos sphere really sounds like
sth. being worth watching.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 37 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 08-Dec-2002 19:00 GMT
*loads up VNC*
*types in an IP address*
wow !!!! i just got windows on my computer !
*types in another IP address*
WOW!!!!! i just got linux on here as well !!!!!!!!!
isnt emulation great ;-)
im sorry but sometimes people who dont know that much about popular software really make me laugh :D
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 38 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Dec-2002 19:05 GMT
funny feature in this picture:
http://jockel.themac.de/Retro/Seiten/Bild17.html
Computer turned on : Yes
LOL
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 39 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Manou BILLA on 08-Dec-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (derf):
I know VNC and familiar progs (citrix)
We use netOpSchool everyday to "spy" what the students are doing on
there computers during class ;-)
The GENESI guy just said comparable to VNC but not the same thing!.
I like when people are just going mad if nothing is going like they
wish it should go.
I did just write what I saw and was told.
I am impressed by the PEGASOS as were many visitors.
Most of them want the PEGASOS with Amiga OS4.
As for me I am waiting for my Amiga ONE G4 XE, should arrive in 2
weeks. :-)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 40 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Dec-2002 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
I measured 5s BIOS screen, 3s MOS boot - but some machines took much longer, funny!
--
Depends on the Debug level on the specific machine.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 41 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Dec-2002 20:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
From what I heard the 5s OF time can be configured too.
5s is enough to be sure the HD had time to start and enough time so the user can hit a key to go into the OF.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 42 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Dec-2002 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Depends on the Debug level on the specific machine."
no no no ... its how well trained and how many monkeys are inside the box..
and its not a crash .. no its a bannana break !
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 43 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 08-Dec-2002 21:41 GMT
>Of course you can also run PPC Linux on the Pegasos and also Windows! Yes Windows! That is >all the Windows Display functions are emulated so that the real Win Prog runs on a Windows >PC but the screen output and data input (keyboard, mouse...) comes from the PEGASOS.
There’s nothing special running Citrix/VNC/Windows Terminal/"Remote Desktop Connection" like services...
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 44 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 21:57 GMT
The boot delay (standard: 5 seconds) and the amount of serial debug
output (default: lots while booting ;) can be configured.
MacosX can be installed to run in MOL under Linux (an API emulator).
There are some things which are not properly emulated yet but for the
most part it runs like if it was native.
As for AInc not wanting other OS:es to run on machines running AOS4,
have you already forgotten Fleecy's words that they had no problem
with the Pegasos - as long as MorphOS was discarded..
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 45 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 08-Dec-2002 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Nicolas Mendoza):
>1.Windows apps running on a PPC, because it has emulated functions?
>1.Wine,
I recall, Wine runs only on x86, because it's not an emulator...
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 46 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Dec-2002 22:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Hammer):
"I recall, Wine runs only on x86, because it's not an emulator... "
WineLib can be ported to different OSes ( i did start to try and get it to compile under GG , didn't get far tho ) and can then be used to recompile pure C/C++ ( e.g. no x86 assembly )sources that use the Win32 API without much modification; Very similar to ixemul.
But for running X86 windows apps wine has to be running on an x86 ... as its a re-implemention of the windows API and not a "windows emulator" ( including CPU emulation ).
MorphOS does have a port of Boches IIRC so it is possible to run x86 os'es and apps under morphOS , but not very fast ;).
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 47 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 09-Dec-2002 00:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (mahen):
>... and it has some debug outputs slowing it down ....
I don't really understand this... whenever someone mentions MOS being slow (mouse pointer not moving when the CPU is busy etc) people blame it on debug output. Surely it's just a #define in some header file that they can comment out and recompile? Why leave debug output on if you're demoing MOS at a show and want to impress people with it's speed? Most people would only leave on debug output when they're.. well.. debugging.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 48 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 00:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (catohagen):
Shut up
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 49 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 09-Dec-2002 00:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (mahen):
You're partly right, Exec is not a kernel in this case but a binding layer, a wrapper for legacy calls to the Quark kernel. (Or so I'm assuming, correct me if I'm wrong)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 50 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Dec-2002 01:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Lando):
"Why leave debug output on if you're demoing MOS at a show and want to impress people with it's speed? Most people would only leave on debug output when they're.. well.. debugging."
Because these Pegasos are used by developpers when not used for shows ?
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