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| Posted on 21-Dec-2002 13:04 GMT by LART | 312 comments
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Alan Redhouse has posted message in the "AmigaOne" Yahoo group.
It's mainly a list of excuses for the delayed shipment of Teron boards.
* E-mail has been left unanswered allegedly due to Eyetech being "mailbombed by viruses" and a DoS script run against their web server.
* For some strange reason Motorola was to deliver CPUs to Eyetech, but they haven't done so.
* Eyetech will, like any other distributor, have to wait for the Teron PX to be finished, including the bugfixed Articia (which still has no bugs, there's only the old VIA DMA bugs according to Eyetech's message).
* The previously announced shipping date for the Teron PX came from an employee who hadn't been brought up to date.
* "All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now.
* Those who won't get their Teron CXes will get a special offer for Teron PXes with PPC750FX (G3) CPUs.
* The "Earlybird" preordering offer for the Teron PX with a "free" copy of AmigaOS will be extended to the end of January.
* Teron CXes with the (non-existing...) Articia bugs can be exchanged for Teron PXes "at current list price less the original A1G3-SE
percentage discount with full credit being given for the original amount
paid", whatever that could be, plus shipping.
* The web site will be updated with shipping status information on Monday.
* In order to not miss Christmas sales, Eyetech shipped the Teron CX boards without any OS. CDs with SuSE GNU/Linux will be shipped on Monday (not the full retail version). It's the vanilla SuSE 7.3 PPC, without specific Teron support.
* It is "proven by MAI [sic] after extensive testing" that the VIA DMA bugs are unrelated to the Articia northbridge. Well, duh. :-D Eyetech still believes that the bugfixes for the Articia has something to do with previously known issues with the VIA southbridge. Alan also lets us know that the different southbridge of e.g. the Pegasos is "of that family"...
* For Eyetech's own sales, a specific Kingston SDRAM DIMM will be "standardised on".
* To provide the legally regulated minimum warranty period of the EU (24 months), the price of the Terons will be "adjusted to reflect the higher cost" of that for EU customers. It is not mentioned if non-Kingston-sold-by-Eyetech SDRAM will be among the "non-recommended" hardware that will invalidate this warranty.
It is asked that further comments/questions about Alan's message should be sent to info@eyetech.co.uk for inclusion in the web site update on Monday.
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| Teron board delays : Comment 51 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Dec-2002 20:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 46 (Stefan Burström):
"Well, the post didn't exactly contain any errors, but the list of
changes and additions to this 'news item' grows long and clearly shows
the bias of the poster."
Certainly. What's the problem? I thought this was a news site. I'd
much rather see someone who is critical to what is being put forth
than someone who simply repeats the marketing spin. Yes, the poster is
obviously trying to find fault in Alan's post. Is there any problem
with that? Isn't that what separates news from advertising, that there
can be a critical (sometimes, very critical) attitude to what is
being said?
For example, Alan claims that the hardware problems shared with the
Pegasos is not because of Articia but because of the VIA southbridge.
The Pegasos has a different chip but Alan says it's because it's of
the "same family". Now this isn't true, and in my opinion it's vastly
more serious to check this than to just repeat Alan's untruth.
Something else (which wasn't mentioned in the report) is that Alan
states Linux doesn't work properly with the Radeon7000 on the Pegasos.
This isn't true, it DOES work on the Pegasos, and imho it would NOT be
"neutral" to make a report with the same error, unchecked.
(please note that I'm not accusing Alan of lying, probably he just
doesn't know, he still shouldn't be writing it though) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 52 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 21-Dec-2002 20:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Johan Rönnblom):
this site reports news. it doesn't have writers that are going through the news and critically reviews each item. I have nothing against it when someone does take a step back and looks at something critically, but this is not what it was about. what You pointed out, was critically reviewing. the original poster was not. Not once does he explain why, like you did. I hope you see the difference there. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 53 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Troels E on 21-Dec-2002 20:15 GMT | Are there any (non-biased) MODERATORS left here?
This is not a news item, its a post by a VERY biased (potentially lying) man who even claims to have secret inside knowledge about OS4 (Stating for a fact that it won't support MP).
This should be DELETED or at least moved to the forum.
ANN as biased as ever... |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 54 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Trevor Daley on 21-Dec-2002 20:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (LART):
Wrong!
Hyperion have a Dual-CPU-module from Eyetech and have stated that Dual-CPU
support IS being worked on for AOS4.0 |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 55 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JoannaK on 21-Dec-2002 20:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Johan Rönnblom):
" (please note that I'm not accusing Alan of lying, probably he just
doesn't know, he still shouldn't be writing it though)"
That would have been really short announcemnet then.. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 56 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 20:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (reflect):
Maybe ANN needs an Editorial section. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 57 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 20:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Johan Rönnblom):
On the A1 list, the Via chipset problem was discussed in refernce to sound cards. I can't remember what specific sound board. Apparently, it's a problem in the Via chip that even PCs have.
Catch the thread here.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amigaone/message/22744 |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 58 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 20:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Troels E):
> This should be DELETED or at least moved to the forum.
You mean censored. That's stupid. Add your comment if you have something to say or counterweight a perceived bias or even expose deliberate lying (and if you claim the latter, you better have good arguments on your side, otherwise it's inhonest and disgusting).
>This is not a news item, its a post by a VERY biased (potentially lying) man
Nonsense. Bias is a point of perspective and what is very biased to you is unbiased to me. I appreciate a news article that cuts through marketing bullshit and paperthin excuses. The naivite of some people here is amazing. They are insulted again and again by inhonest practices in the Amiga market. Someone giving a bit of perpective in form of a news item written in brain-on mode can only have a positive effect on them. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 59 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 21-Dec-2002 20:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
then have a look at MY posts where I explain it so that most people will understand. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 60 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 21-Dec-2002 21:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
I would have agreed with you, only there's a big difference in stating an opinion, and stating facts.
if he for example would have said
* "All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now.(link to something showing the opposite or confirming the post) or even a small explanation to the quotationmarks. This is not the case, thus I strongly disagree with you. Open the eyes of people, sure. Do that with FACTS and let the people decide by themselves. This is stating his opinions only. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 61 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Dec-2002 21:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (reflect):
While I agree that the post could have been better (can't everything
be?) I disagree with you on the specifics.
Such as those quotation marks. What do they mean? Well, when I read
it, it means it's a quote. Checking Alan's post, yes, that's what he
writes: "all but a few". Now, if the poster did NOT put this within
quotes, he would confirm Alan's statement. But is it true? I don't
know, I guess the poster also does not know, and anyway it's a _very_
vague statement. So I think it's wise to leave it quoted and let Alan
stand for it. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 62 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 21-Dec-2002 21:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (Johan Rönnblom):
then why quote a few words, and then say the same thing as Alan does, but with other words? The real quote is "we have now shipped all but a few A1G3-SE boards and systems". Why change it to Teron all the way around, when it's not just a plain Teron board? Even if it is 99.9% a Teron board, this board is an A1 board.
Just quoting half a sentence and then add the other half yourself with your own opinions.. and if this would have been about any other OS or product, I'd object as strongly. It doesn't give me a chance to form an opinion based on actual facts, instead the writers opinions are forced upon me.
I hope you don't call this a good piece, cause it stinks. If this would have been about something you feel strongly for, perhaps you would have seen it differently, don't you agree? |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 63 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by elektro on 21-Dec-2002 21:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
the problem is more likely with soundblaster cards then via SBs. Lots of cards work fine with VIA SBs. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 64 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Dec-2002 22:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 62 (reflect):
Well, because it's a summary, it should be shorter than the original.
That's why it makes sense to quote some text and rewrite most, rather
than posting Alan wrote: and then all of the text.
As for the TeronCX vs AmigaOne, well, I would have written AmigaOne,
but as far as I know it's the same thing so what does it matter?
But if I'm not misinformed (in which case, please correct me!) then I
don't see how it would be more "neutral" to use the name chosen by
Eyetech than the one chosen by Mai.
Then finally, I don't think it's a GREAT piece, but I think it's good.
I would definitely feel the same if someone did a similar thing to eg
some post by Bill Buck / Raquel Velasco. Why don't anyone try? Just
avoid personal attacks or derogatory statements without any clear
meaning (like if it said "the overpriced TeronCX"). |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 65 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Daniel Miller on 21-Dec-2002 23:42 GMT | ANN has provided a certain amount of leeway for the people who report the
news, and this has cut the Genesi team in the past. There was some person, a
MorphOS hater, who slammed the original Thendic-France (now Genesi)
announcement that they were actually selling the first new systems in years
that would run Amiga software. The title of his report was "Thendic Makes You
an Offer You Can Refuse" or something snide like that. And in this attack
article he wrongly claimed that the price Thendic set was for just a
motherboard, when it was for an entire system.
Anyhow I wrote Christian and Christophe and Teemu and none of them took down
that BS article. You people howling about bias now, I didn't hear you then! |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 66 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by redrumloa on 22-Dec-2002 00:05 GMT | | This is the most biased, abusive, trolling post I have ever seen moderated up to so called legitimate news. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 67 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 00:17 GMT | > then why quote a few words, and then say the same thing as Alan does, but with other words?
That's a nice stylistic touch, he puts Alan's euphemistic words into his own dry context and ridicules Alan by accurately quoting him, ostentatiously distancing himself from the said by the use of quotes. And frankly, the original news deserves to be ridiculed. Next time, we might hear that the order of CPUs was eaten by the dog |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 68 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 00:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 66 (redrumloa):
Well, "You are the stupidest, most trolling wannbe moderator of a dull USA based Amiga message board I've ever seen."
This is just an oppinion like yours. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 69 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 00:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Darrin):
> 1. They've managed to get their system back up-and-running despite the virus
> attacks.
Huh? A shopkeeper learning to not click on attachments in "I LOVE YOU" e-mails in MS LookOut is not news. Neither is reporting on the same shopkeeper starting an anti-virus program. It's not news, it's not interesting. A shopkeeper blaming failure to respond to people's e-mail and queries in a prompt and truthful manner on "virus attacks" and on his web site's high bandwidth usage is however rather interesting. That was reported on in my summary.
> 2. They have shipped all but a few for their A1G3-SE boards/systems.
Which was reported in my summary. If customers being left without what they ordered is a "positive aspect" according to you, then I don't see what difference a copy-n-paste of Alan's entire marketing blurb would have made.
> 3. Outstanding SE customers will receieve a discounted offer to upgrade their
> order to a G3-EX as the SE's have apparently sold out.
Which was reported in my summary. What's interesting is that these customers will not receive what they ordered, but have to wait until a newer, unreleased and more expensive model becomes available and then decide if they want this instead.
> 4. The "Early bird offer" is extended until then end of Jan 2003.
Which was reported in my summary. It would be a damn shame if it wasn't, as the product is not available at the time it was announced to be available.
> 5. A1-SE unfixed/dev boards can be exchanged for an XE by paying the
> difference.
Which was reported in my summary. It is however interesting that there will be such an trade-in scheme to begin with from Eyetech, since the fix consists of a fixed Articia northbridge, which according to Eyetech never has been faulty. Mai will not upgrade the buggy VIA southbridge, containing the only bugs that Eyetech acknowledges.
> 6. All XE mobos will be from the new mask and will not require a "fix".
Which was reported in my summary. See 5. Even though Alan with this indirectly admits that the current Articia is buggy, he still tries to deny this and only speaks of DMA bugs in the southbridge, while smugly throwing shit at a hardware manufacturer (who's not even a competitor, but a maker of products for vendors like e.g. Eyetech to sell). |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 70 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by redrumloa on 22-Dec-2002 00:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Anonymous):
boo hoo hoo, an anonoymous coward insulted me. Grow some testicles. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 71 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 00:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Björn Hagström):
> As long as it's just someone bashing AInc,Hyperion or Eyetech then it's okey for
> a news item I guess.
What "bashing"? Is anything but a verbatim copy of some marketing piece "bashing"? Are any reported bad news "bashing", or just when it's news regarding certain products or companies?
Please come back with complaints when you find something factually incorrect in a news item. Such "news items" are usually verbatim copies of marketing announcements, mind you...
This is almost as pathetic as when slashbots whine about Linux bugs being reported on Slashdot. It's news, it's interesting, but it's BAAAAAD news and it's not compatible with the ruling dogma, so it must be M$ FUD!!!
"A buffer overflow exploit feature has been added in SSH. This new feature allows for easier execution of programs system-wide by any user! Rejoice!" ;-) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 72 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 22-Dec-2002 01:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Johan Rönnblom):
Funny, I always thought news was supposed to report the 'facts' as obtained via company press releases and leave critical evaluation and personal bias out of it. Critical evaluation is what a review is for.
Of course, if you're a tabloid, these rules don't count. Just make it ALL up ;-) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 73 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 01:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (reflect):
> ... and also contains an error. The use of 'teron' boards, which is fairly wrong. This is about the AmigaOne XE, and -only- that model that will be delayed.
The "AmigaOne XE" is a Teron board, it will be delievered later than Eyetech said it would.
Ergo:
"Teron board delays"
Some customers will not receive their ordered Teron CX boards, and will have to wait for the Teron PX if they're still interested.
Ergo:
"Teron board delays"
Eyetech says these Teron boards will be delayed.
Ergo:
"Teron board delays"
There is no error in the news item. If you find errors or if you've got more questions, send mail to info@eyetech.co.uk, as requested. If you've got technical inquiries, I suggest you ask Mai.
> By using Teron, this implies that all boards are to be delayed
No it does not. It means that Teron boards will be delayed.
Teron CXes have already been shipped (albeit delayed... ;-) ). If people want a Teron CX with the bugfixed Articia revision or a Teron PX they'll have to wait. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 74 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ikez on 22-Dec-2002 01:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 73 (LART):
So, what is your point?
Aone delayed, you said 15 times ... we know, Thanks!
I don't care what you say. I have waited 4 month a cybppc ordered in 2000. Phase5 saying, yep for next week, yep for next week. K, have waited. And i will wait one or two month more for Aone so?
ikez
ah yes, did i said, Thx i know it's delayed, er have said that, ohhh Aone is delayed... k thx LART thx |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 75 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 01:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 45 (chillout):
> These are only a few examples for his "objective" sight ;-)
> >For some strange reason Motorola was
Yes, for some strange reason. What do "we", i.e. Eyetech, have to do with CPUs? They sell the same Teron boards as Mai, Terra Soft or Inguard.
> >"All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now
Yes? And? Where's the opinion or bias? Did you read Alan's original message?
> >Teron CXes with the (non-existing...) Articia bugs can be exchanged for Teron
> >PXes "at current list price less the original A1G3-SE percentage discount
> >with full credit being given for the original amount paid", whatever that
> >could be, plus shipping.
Yes? And? Where's the opinion or bias?
> >In order to not miss Christmas sales, Eyetech shipped the Teron CX boards
> >without any OS.
Yes? And? Where's the opinion or bias?
> >It is "proven by MAI [sic] after extensive testing" that the VIA DMA bugs are
> >unrelated to the Articia northbridge. Well, duh. :-D Eyetech still believes
> >that the bugfixes for the Articia has something to do with previously known
> >issues with the VIA southbridge. Alan also lets us know that the different
> >southbridge of e.g. the Pegasos is "of that family"...
Yes? And? Where's the opinion or bias?
Do you mean the "Well, duh" bit? The original message contained some confusing nonsense about Mai acknowledging that the VIA bugs are not Articia bugs. Well, DUUUH! My summary is not opinion or bias, it's clarification and an elementary technical fact. The original message continued with using this logic to conclude that since the VIA is buggy, then the Articia can't be buggy (even though it evidently is and thus will be exchanged for a newer revision). |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 76 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Dec-2002 01:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (LART):
> is however interesting that there will be such an trade-in scheme to begin with
> from Eyetech, since the fix consists of a fixed Articia northbridge,
May I ask you where have you taken that information from? Mind you, I haven't bothered reading the Alan's post, so if it's there please forgive me for asking such question (but point me there anyway ;).
If that info is true, then it oughta be put more in evidence, 'cause it would shed a very different light on the whole situation.
On a side note, let me suggest you one thing: next time, split your news submissions, on the same tone as this one's, in two posts: one with the news, and another with the personal comments. This is indeed a news, however personal comments and adjectives don't belong to unbiased news items. Not that I find this news of yours really biased - after all you are reporting facts, although colouring them with your opinions - however I believe that news items should report ONLY facts, and not also opinions. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 77 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 22-Dec-2002 01:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 73 (LART):
Oh, come on. You knew damn well that your use of the word "Teron" in this so-called "News" item would be inflammatory but you went ahead and used it anyway. You were inviting flames. You're nothing but a troll. The board is called an "AmigaOne G3-SE". Yes, it is based on a modified Teron board but it is NOT just a Teron board.
>Teron CXes have already been shipped (albeit delayed... ;-) ).
>If people want a Teron CX with the bugfixed Articia revision
>or a Teron PX they'll have to wait.
Well, I doubt anyones going to want a Teron board since they won't run AmigaOS 4. Surely people would want an AmigaOne board instead?
Personally I prefer the Pegasos h/w to the A1 but even so, its obvious to me that the way this "News" item has been reported is completely biased and is blatant flamebait. This whole thread should just be deleted. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 78 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by No thanks Eyetech, you disgust me. on 22-Dec-2002 01:34 GMT | I will not purchase an Amigaone board because i am not a sad b*stard who wants to be Eyetechs lab rat,
Release a proper full board with fixes in place and stop using the amiga users as LAB RATS for your mad professor experiments. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 79 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 01:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (Johan Rönnblom):
> The Pegasos has a different chip but Alan says it's because it's of
> the "same family". Now this isn't true, and in my opinion it's vastly
> more serious to check this than to just repeat Alan's untruth.
Apparently it's "bashing" to not uncritically parrot obvious mistakes/untruths in marketing as "news". :-P
> Something else (which wasn't mentioned in the report) is that Alan
> states Linux doesn't work properly with the Radeon7000 on the Pegasos.
> This isn't true, it DOES work on the Pegasos, and imho it would NOT be
> "neutral" to make a report with the same error, unchecked.
Precisely. Alan claimed that "these are general Linux-PPC problems and are equally applicable to all Linux distributions" which is patently untrue.
It might be true for the kernel/drivers included in the vanilla (i.e. without specific Teron/Articia support) SuSE 7.3 distro, which is what will be available via Eyetech, as I reported in the summary. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 80 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ehaines on 22-Dec-2002 01:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (LART):
Do you understand that it's possible to criticize without smarminess,
condescension, innuendo, misdirection, and a blatantly obvious dislike
for the subject being criticized? You prove your childishness by
claiming that Eyetech was infected by a virus because Alan clicked on
an "I LOVE YOU" email. You must know that's a lie, and an insult.
At least honestly explain your dislike, please. I'd like to know the
reasons behind the attacks on Eyetech. Is it just because of the
competition with the Pegasos? Or is it something more personal? Did
Alan kick your dog, or what?
As far as I can tell from my dealings with them so far, Eyetech is a
pretty decent company, which is nice to find in the current Amiga
climate, such as it is. You're not even a customer, so what do you know?
Or are you? Maybe you have some damning insider information. In that
case, don't be coy, just come out and tell us! |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 81 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 01:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Troels E):
> its a post by a VERY biased (potentially lying) man
How the hell can one be "potentially lying"? If you find lies in the news item, take it up with Alan Redhouse as he asked, don't shoot the messenger.
> who even claims to have secret inside knowledge about OS4 (Stating for a fact
> that it won't support MP).
That's no secret inside knowledge and nobody has claimed to have such knowledge. Get over yourself. It's a publicly announced fact. Let's just hope that later revisions will have SMP support, shall we? |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 82 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 01:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Trevor Daley):
> Hyperion have a Dual-CPU-module from Eyetech and have stated that Dual-CPU
> support IS being worked on for AOS4.0
No and no.
It's Mai who has made and will make the Teron PX CPU modules, Eyetech is a computer vendor, they don't design or make hardware like this.
AmigaOS 4.0 will NOT have SMP support. It has never been planned. It has never been announced. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 83 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 01:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (reflect):
> * "All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now.(link to
> something showing the opposite or confirming the post) or even a small
> explanation to the quotationmarks. This is not the case, thus I strongly
> disagree with you.
Please follow the included link to the original message. That is an exact quote from the original message, thus the usage of quotation marks. For *quoting* someone, you see? I preferred not to speculate in how many boards that this means in my summary, so I used the exact words of the original message. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 84 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by NeRP on 22-Dec-2002 01:52 GMT | LART is a troll and an idiot. He can fuck around with semantics all
day, but we all know what he, and others, are trying to do.
Go ahead, laugh it up now, because soon the XE's will be shipping, and
AmigaOS will be out as well.
And Amorel can finally shut the fuck up, right? |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 85 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 01:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 83 (LART):
LART = Lame Ass Retarded Troll |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 86 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 02:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (ehaines):
>As far as I can tell from my dealings with them so far, Eyetech is a
>pretty decent company, which is nice to find in the current Amiga
>climate, such as it is. You're not even a customer, so what do you know?
>Or are you? Maybe you have some damning insider information. In that
>case, don't be coy, just come out and tell us!
Please don´t get this wrong, but wath Eyetech is doing in Amiga market ?
I never see a hardware or software designed or sold by Eyetech team in my life, and i use Amigas since 1989. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 87 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 02:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 62 (reflect):
> Why change it to Teron all the way around, when it's not just a plain Teron
> board? Even if it is 99.9% a Teron board, this board is an A1 board.
A Teron board is a Teron board is a Teron board. The Teron board distributed by one vendor under the "AmigaOne G3SE" trademark is 100% Teron CX, not 99.9% or anything else. The "AmigaOne XE" is a Teron PX. There are no specially manufactured Teron boards for any particular distributor, they're all identical.
Whatever dongled firmware that the Teron boards sold via Eyetech will get, or whatever dongle chip that Eyetech will plop in an empty socket, does not magically transform board X into board Y. By the way, these hardware market restriction features are not shipped with the currently sold Teron boards, neither is AmigaOS.
> Just quoting half a sentence and then add the other half yourself with your
> own opinions.
Summary: " * "All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now. "
Excerpt from the original message: "However we have now shipped all but a few A1G3-SE boards and systems (the last one was picked up by UPS at 6pm last night)."
Please point out the difference in opinion between these two factual statements. Point out ANY opinion at all.
> It doesn't give me a chance to form an opinion based on actual facts, instead
> the writers opinions are forced upon me.
For some reason I believe that you wouldn't have complained to Alan for having his opinions "forced upon you" if nobody had summarized his message in the first place. You want the original message? Click the link.
Nobody has taken away your "chance to form an opinion based on actual facts" (although if you define marketing announcements as "facts" you'll always be sorely disappointed for the rest of your life as a consumer). |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 88 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peter on 22-Dec-2002 02:30 GMT | | Says you Nerp when your are a complete amiga pirate fuck head, get back to your EL1t3 wanky irc channel and continue to pirate amiga apps you lame ass bastard. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 89 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 02:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (LART):
>A Teron board is a Teron board is a Teron board. The Teron board distributed >by one vendor under the "AmigaOne G3SE" trademark is 100% Teron CX, not 99.9% >or anything else. The "AmigaOne XE" is a Teron PX. There are no specially >manufactured Teron boards for any particular distributor, they're all >identical.
Well they can put a dongle-Firmware in Pegasos Mobo and start to call Pegasos as AmigaONE :), as the dongle make the name, and the name "Amiga" make the Blind trolls, everthing will be fine Ha!ha!ha!!.
i can´t resist :) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 90 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 02:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (LART):
"All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now. "
I assume these are the as yet unconfirmed orders and that all confirmed orders have been shipped out as of the end of Friday. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 91 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Nate Downes on 22-Dec-2002 02:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
Yes, it's a bug in the VIA 686 series. I happen to also have this chip, in my Athlon. It causes a problem with a select group of cards, including the Sound Blaster audio card. Some call this nothing, but it shows a bug that does affect performance elsewhere in the system. Essentially, DMA based systems that happen to use a specific memory address cause a CPU lockup, resulting in sloppy performance, and even causing massive stalls during things like playing the latest 3D game.
It is likely the cause for the A1's issues with the Radeon 7000, as the 7000 uses another "prime" memory space, just like the Sound Blaster. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 92 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by redrumloa on 22-Dec-2002 03:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (Peter):
Nerp? A pirate? Since when? FYI UAE is a wordkick on his channel. You have proof he is a pirate? Opinonated and crass, yes he is. Pirate? I think not. You think so? Put up or shut up. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 93 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Seehund on 22-Dec-2002 03:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 89 (Anonymous):
> Well they can put a dongle-Firmware in Pegasos Mobo and start to call Pegasos
> as AmigaONE :), as the dongle make the name, and the name "Amiga" make the
> Blind trolls, everthing will be fine Ha!ha!ha!!.
Yeah well, that's the plan!
Luckily there will be no more Amiga hardware, instead AmigaOS will run on third party hardware, like the Terons.
Unfortunately, that's made moot when whatever hardware that AmigaOS is supposed to run on must be sold bundled with AmigaOS from a licensed hardware vendor and the hardware must be dongled to prove to the OS that it's licensed hardware.
AmigaOS will be made to not run on a Teron unless that is sold as an "AmigaOne". It will never run on a Pegasos board unless it's licensed as an "AmigaOne". It will never run on a Mac unless it's licensed as an "AmigaOne". And so on.
Bye bye, advantages of finally running on third party hardware!
Thanks, Eyetech, for providing "consultation" when this damn "Amiga market" invention was created!
Apparently AInc and Eyetech are content with only targeting AmigaOS to a market of what you, Anonymous, call "blind trolls".
AmigaOS is getting fscked, but that doesn't seem to matter much as long as the tiny hardware market piece that's reserved for the few faithful is under strict regulation. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 94 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Seehund on 22-Dec-2002 03:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 93 (Seehund):
> AmigaOS will be made to not run on [normal hardware]
It won't run legally and payed for on normal hardware, that is. In order to allegedly "stop piracy" AmigaOS will not be available for sale... Doh! |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 95 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 22-Dec-2002 03:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (LART):
>> Why change it to Teron all the way around, when it's not just a plain Teron
>> board? Even if it is 99.9% a Teron board, this board is an A1 board.
>A Teron board is a Teron board is a Teron board. The Teron board distributed >by one vendor under the "AmigaOne G3SE" trademark is 100% Teron CX, not 99.9% >or anything else. The "AmigaOne XE" is a Teron PX. There are no specially >manufactured Teron boards for any particular distributor, they're all >identical.
That's just crap and you know it. The board sold as an AmigaOne is the one capable of running AmigaOS. As you mention, it has this extra chip, thus it's not identical. It has something that an other board from another place doesn't have, and can run software that other Teron boards cannot.
>Whatever dongled firmware that the Teron boards sold via Eyetech will get, or >whatever dongle chip that Eyetech will plop in an empty socket, does not >magically transform board X into board Y. By the way, these hardware market >restriction features are not shipped with the currently sold Teron boards, >neither is AmigaOS.
No, it doesn't transform anything. I didn't say that either. Have a look at the graphics card market. You have one maker, ie Nvidia, but then there are perhaps 10 boards with different names. They come with a little different hardware(often, not alot) and different software. They are still different products. And as for the not shipping part. Thanks, I know that already.
I am capable of thinking for myself, without having you there to give me your assesment of the situation.
> Just quoting half a sentence and then add the other half yourself with your
> own opinions.
"All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now. "
"However we have now shipped all but a few A1G3-SE boards and systems (the last one was picked up by UPS at 6pm last night)."
>Please point out the difference in opinion between these two factual >statements. Point out ANY opinion at all.
difference : you talk about Teron. This particular sentence doesn't show you opinion.
"It's mainly a list of excuses for the delayed shipment of Teron boards" this is an opinion made by you.
"For some strange reason Motorola was to deliver CPUs to Eyetech, but they haven't done so." <-- this is also an opinion.
Without giving the slightest hint about why you think this is so strange. Seems like you interpret Alan's message a little too literally. Maybe Motorola were to deliver processor cards to eyetech, maybe he's talking about 'we' as in 'our cooperation with Mai'. Point is, you don't know anything about this.
>For some reason I believe that you wouldn't have complained to Alan for having >his opinions "forced upon you" if nobody had summarized his message in the >first place. You want the original message? Click the link.
Alan's opinions I can take for what they are. I've met and talked to Alan.
And yes, I read Alan's post a long time before you posted it here and I don't at all like it when you think for me, without once giving out any information about how you came to these conclusions you did. Your posts here today is just dripping with contempt regarding this matter.
>Nobody has taken away your "chance to form an opinion based on actual facts" >(although if you define marketing announcements as "facts" you'll always be >sorely disappointed for the rest of your life as a consumer).
For fucks sake... do you think I'm stupid or something? I've tried to make some points here, some of them which wasn't disputed. I hope some of them came through, if not to you, to others.
The facts, in this case would have been "eyetech makes clarifications, link here", but then you go on with your summarization that is riddled with opinions. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 96 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 22-Dec-2002 03:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 65 (Daniel Miller):
Good point.
However, that is the past, this is now. I'm sorry that it happened then, but it has not much to do with this post, other than that perhaps both were wrong (I haven't seen this other article so I can't say right out).
Critical posts - bring 'em on. That is good. If the person behind it tries to be objective. A good example of this is the finnish SAKU announcement once it was done. I believe it was made by the head of SAKU and feature a report on how the show went.
Perhaps you remember it? Then look at some of the submissions here. The quality of this one is way below the standard. Perhaps the one you are referring to were crap too, but it doesn't justify this one. A wrong in the past doesn't make it right in the future. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 97 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 03:42 GMT | | Nerp does not like QUOTE "Emulamers" on his channel but that 2 faced bastard is a fucking PIRATE and i can prove it 100%, FFS me and him even traded warez, take your dick out of his ass and learn the truth. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 98 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 03:43 GMT | | Lame ass pirate. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 99 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 03:52 GMT | | Nerp you pathetic PIRATE |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 100 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by DaveW on 22-Dec-2002 03:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Björn Hagström):
It has been a while since ANN became MorphOS Network News, advertising revenue
helps apparently ;-)
Amiga articles are still allowed, so long as they have negative spin on them. |
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