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[News] Genesi needs You!ANN.lu
Posted on 18-Jan-2003 17:23 GMT by Senex150 comments
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In a posting on Amiga.org Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck of Genesi announced among other things a big deal for Set-top-Boxes built using the Pegasos and MorphOS which delivers the necessary cash-flow for the next steps. The team of bplan GmbH, the creators of the Pegasos and MorphOS, and Thendic-France SARL, the exclusive master distributor, will be merged into Genesi shortly. The Pegasos will be bundled with MorphOS, DebianPPC, Mac-on-Linux and suite of games and application software. OpenBSD and Gentoo ports are underway (available before CeBIT) and a Debian Development Team has been identified to create a special Pegasos distro. Discussions are underway for the following OS ports to the Pegasos: BeOS, OpenBeOS, NetBSD, Zeta, and NewOS. SuSE and Mandrake (we will see what happens there) are already running on the Pegasos. Many things still need to be done and we are interested in all constructive involvement. The idea is to rally a technically oriented community to the Pegasos before a mass-market for the Pegasos is attempted. We hope by taking this intermediate step the Pegasos will be more competitive with the BIGGER companies in the IT field. By the way, we will continue to fully support any effort to bring AmigaOS or AmigaDE to the platform (in fact, we have taken the necessary legal steps anyway to make sure this will happen since working cooperatively together has not been possible).

We are looking for Developers and highly motivated individuals who want to establish Development Teams and User Groups. In both cases, we will be offering special pricing on the Pegasos, CPU and OS upgrades, and peripherals, as we move ahead. There will be special aspects of our support sites that will provide the latest updates for any aspect of the platform online. We will have a software download section soon. Developers will be paid for their work, as many have discovered already. We are committed to moving ahead in big way. Tell us what you want to do – there is plenty of opportunity!

If you decide you want to become involved www.pegasos-usa.com up and running. Please check it out. This is a model we want to franchise. We would like to have www.pegasos-?????.com up and running soon too, for example, www.pegasos-italy.com, www.pegasos-newzealand.com or www.pegasos-nevada.com. When you click on support look where you go…. We are interested in establishing Distributors and User Groups in every possible location. These can also be linked through the site. For User Groups and Distributors, we can even register and supply the URL, the sources for the website and even web-hosting if necessary. We will support our chosen partners with the necessary resources as required -- if someone else has registered a URL already we will create an alternate and official domain. NOTE: the final URL for these associated sites has NOT yet been determined. You can find an interesting User Group site here: www.dijidesign.com/spug.

Going forward, further information can be found at www.pegasosppc.com, www.morphos-news.de, www.thendic-france.com (this site has already begun the transformation) and www.bplan-gmbh.de. We just hired an internationally experienced Management Team (resumes can be read at www.crossbee.com) and the integration/coordination work between the companies, the development teams, and the marketing plans have begun. We will be moving into new offices in Paris, Frankfurt, and Luxembourg shortly.

The Pegasos was featured last week at the world's largest Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. The Genesi Booth was found in the Break-Through Technologies Pavilion, South Hall, Booth #29101. We will have a complete Show Report online soon. CES is the current culmination of our announced Show schedule. You can see where we have been at www.pegasosppc.com under “Events.” Before we venture out in mass again, we will be putting a solid marketing plan into place. Shows like CES are expensive. Between CES and Aachen we spent nearly $100,000 sharing our message and our commitment to the platform (not to mention the cost of the other public demonstrations/event support). We are thinking that it may be better to bring our Developers on a working “vacation” rather than to fund the next big Show. In the meanwhile, we will fully support User Groups as we did last weekend in Finland. We really appreciate the support we have in Finland and the capable and intelligent people there.

About the future, Genesi has been contracted (and we mean revenue) to build a DTV set-top box using the PPC and MorphOS. This opportunity has created the necessary cash flow and business case to spawn the next level of our success. Strategically, we are continuing ahead with our vision of the eclipsis and the Pegasos will get better and better as the PPC evolves and MorphOS continues to be refined and improved (and thankfully it all ties into smart cards). Things are looking very “cool.”

The Pegasos and Genesi will be successful; we hope you will consider being part of it all. Please send us an email at bbrv@genesi.lu and we will do our best to answer you thoughtfully and positively.

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 1 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 18-Jan-2003 17:01 GMT
I wish them success, but I fear the international economy isn't going to help matters. Hopefully they are just going to selling to cable companies and not end users. Now that could work and generate some decent cash flow.

Dammy
Genesi needs You! : Comment 2 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 18-Jan-2003 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
@Dammy:

Let me quote minator from the comments at Amiga.org:

"The usual problem with STB and Internet Appliances is companies build them then try and sell them only to find noboady actually wants them. Theres a whole list of companies who have found this out.

This deal is different, it *started* with a big company who wanted STBs..."

Please wait for more details from Genesi about which company that is and where these STBs are aimed for. Those who attended the private meeting at the Dorint-hotel in Aachen on the saturday evening during the ARC2002 had already the opportunity to talk to the man behind this company that's interested in MorphOS-PPC-STBs. At least to me this deal looks very promising. It generates the necessary cash-flow and also lowers the prices for us desktop-users due to the much higher quantities.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 3 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 18-Jan-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Senex):
Who in his right mind would use an expensive ppc platform for a stb? I mean even cheap STBs fail regularly to find any market. Will be interesting whos behind this.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 4 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Jan-2003 17:30 GMT
hmmm... it seems that on these small niches TeronCX, TeronPX, AmigaOneSE and AmigaOneXE are seen as serious threats to pegasos, hence it is important to attack with full force against Amiga camps ...

But anyway....


"By the way, we will continue to fully support any effort to bring AmigaOS or AmigaDE to the platform (in fact, we have taken the necessary legal steps anyway to make sure this will happen since working cooperatively together has not been possible)."

Your AmigaDE deal is still valid? Fine, have fun with it (LOL), as long as people do not read AmigaOS4 into that...

And good luck with the STB business... perhaps it works this time...

btw. is that big company a "multibillion dollar company"? (heard that one somewhere before)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 5 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 17:36 GMT
"Genesi needs You!(READ Genesi get bent!)"

;)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 6 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 18-Jan-2003 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Thats what I thought when I read the headline. But its not that serious apparently ;)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 7 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 18-Jan-2003 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (priest):
@priest:

The man behind that company is both very rich and does have influence - anyway I doubt you've heard his name before. Hey, he actually sit there at one of the Pegasosses on sunday at Aachen and nobody recognized him. :-)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 8 of 150ANN.lu
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Genesi needs You! : Comment 9 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 18-Jan-2003 17:48 GMT
I wonder how big the production run have to be to get the pegasos price lowered enough to use it as a STB. Actually I wonder if it's doable.

It's €491 (for thew board only) right now and that is way to much for any STB as far as I can see.

Guess they have a cheaper design ready (or are working on it?), with integrated gfx and stuff like that (eclipsis).

Best off luck anyway... They will need it!
Genesi needs You! : Comment 10 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by -spy- on 18-Jan-2003 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Senex):
I heard it was Jim Collas. Is this true?
Genesi needs You! : Comment 11 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 18-Jan-2003 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (-spy-):
No.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 12 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Michael on 18-Jan-2003 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Christian Kemp):
Why did you remove the comment? it was not offensive,

Moderate the right people for once.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 13 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 18-Jan-2003 17:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (dammy):
>Hopefully they are just going to selling to cable companies and not end users

Genesi doesn't sell to end users. This is contract work. Genesi only sells to
the company that contracted them to provide a software/hardware
solution. Compare it to the PPCBoot contract work Hyperion did.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 14 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 18-Jan-2003 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Michael):
That's why I didn't give a reason.

It's just the kind of talk I would like to keep off ANN, because it just sounds too childish/geeky/whatever.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 15 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Michael on 18-Jan-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Christian Kemp):
Whatever.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 16 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 18-Jan-2003 18:08 GMT
Well once again Genesi's business plan
sounds more sound than anything Amiga have
mentioned yet. They are advertising the
machine and OS at trade shows attracting
developers and investors. Amiga on the
other hand hasn't made a peep about any
plans to do anything for quite some time,
makes you wonder whats happening? Although
this does not mean Amiga Inc. are not doing
anything it sure looks like it when things
get so quiet with a company. However OS4
is still looking great and Hyperion
are doing their part at least. If OS4 would
run on the Pegasos hardware I would give it
a serious look, but until then...
Genesi needs You! : Comment 17 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 18-Jan-2003 18:29 GMT
I'll just post my reply from the Amiga.org thread so that what Phoenix wishes to achieve - hopefully in concert with Genesi - can be better understood...

The approach in Bill and Raquel's message leverages exactly what the remaining active developers of the Phoenix Developer Consortium have wanted to achieve: to support and promote development on a number of OSes and to have a centerpiece that gives it all focus. As QNX has pulled away from the desktop because of Amiga community difficulties and focused on heavy demands for its primary goals, we have been searching for a compelling solution that would allow innovation on the desktop AND elsewhere, and again spur major widespread activities.

Having Pegasos as hardware that is capable of running many OSes - some of them Open Source efforts - would allow us a common meeting ground. It has been tough to keep the remaining Open Sourcers hopeful that they could get more going on, and many Amiga-oriented developers have wandered away or sat on the sidelines. But now HOPE is being expressed toward Genesi plans - that these could be the practical means for advancement here and also for desktop-oriented bedroom coder types... It gives us ALL a place to hang our hats.

What personally enthuses me about your expressed plans is that the MorphOS DESKTOP can be advanced by cross-fertilization from other development communities - and driven further by finances gained from NON-DESKTOP products and ventures : } This is SO important! A small marketplace like the one the Amiga has represented in recent years simply cannot drive development quickly enough or deeply enough. But a stategy that involves your other products, and OEM placements targeted for specific niches and markets, can realistically keep the financial strength stable and growth-oriented.

In essence, those who want a maturing desktop with further opportunities face less risk - and those who are interested in providing niche solutions based around MorphOS and other OSes (and Pegasos, Psylent, and eclipsis) have all that desktop power available to help further THEIR plans.

I really would like to see Phoenix become the official third-party devlopment/support body for Genesi so that we could get more done - and more that will see light of day, now that QNX partnership has been deprecated due to previously-mentioned circumstances. So I am working to make that happen. So much work has languished because there was no longer much hope for realistic placement of it. But now perhaps that can change! CES showed me, and probably everybody else who attended and helped you/Genesi, that the demand is there, and that the current and future Genesi platforms are capable of meeting the demands. I hope we can work together. I want to be a part of this, and so do many others! : }

Sincerely,

<-- greenboy ---<<<<   coordinator & facilitator-at-large
 Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
Genesi needs You! : Comment 18 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 18-Jan-2003 18:52 GMT
Yeah, set-top boxes to end users have not exactly set the world on fire. But what I saw of Psylent looked like CD32/CDTV *done right* and modern. And I think the plan is not to send small amounts of this machine or others to consumers only - but to sell many many many machines as *bundled* solutions to service providers - probably ones who already have a lock on regional markets.

This is entirely realistic given the connections and the technology, and I wouldn't be surpised to see per-unit costs plummeting when those untis are tailored for specific niches.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 19 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 18-Jan-2003 19:17 GMT
Nokia need an STB ;p

<conspiracy response="oooh">
Genesi needs You! : Comment 20 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 18-Jan-2003 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (tinman):
Well they might need me but the aint getting me, period.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 21 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 20:04 GMT
"We will continue to fully support any effort to bring AmigaOS or AmigaDE to the platform (in fact, we have taken the necessary legal steps anyway to make sure this will happen since working cooperatively together has not been possible."

What exactly is the barrier to complying with Amiga's licensing requirements?

The terms are not the least bit onerous and the consumer appeal of running a sanctioned version of OS4 on the Pegasos would certainly be greater than a bunch of dead operating systems -- all of which will also run on an AmigaOne.

Let's be real. The availability of OS4 for the Pegagos would represent a conflict of interest with MorphOS and a potential source of embarrassment if it were to become the operating system of choice.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 22 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 18-Jan-2003 20:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (anonymous):
Do you know the exact terms of the licence ?

Neither do I, but I do you that sofar every company that dealed with AInc
have been betrayed and scamed.

Currently it is the other way round:
The existing Pegasos could be a market for the non-existant OS4.
Why should they tie themselves to an OS of unknown qualitiy, done by a company
who has left no chance to throw mud/fud against them ?

It would even mean less sold boards, as some potential buyers may wait for the
OS-bundled version instead of buying the HW of their choice AFAP.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 23 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 18-Jan-2003 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Kronos):
Just so I get this clear - You're saying that 'every company that dealed with AInc have been betrayed and scamed.'?

That seems a little strong and is not actually true is it? Hyperion and Eyetech still seem to be working with them. I'm not sure how Sendo or Nokia were 'betrayed and scamed' by Amiga Inc. either.

---
Sam
Genesi needs You! : Comment 24 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 18-Jan-2003 20:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Troels E):
The integrated design is the Eclipsis, ideal for something like an A1200-alike system.

If you read the message from Bill above, it doesn't say Pegasos, it says PPC. It also says DTV, namely Digital Television. A Pegasos would be overkill here. However, many elements of it's design could be re-cycled to quickly make an ideal DTV decoder. Likely use the Eclipsis board, or a cut-back Eclipsis. (Say use an IBM 405 verses a 705Fx)

Man, knowing more about this, it's hard to not get over-excited.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 25 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 18-Jan-2003 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Sam Smith):
Hyperion didn't know about the I am Amiga-coupon before the execup
(just reread the 1st statements on this in the yahoo-lists).

Taking a prepayment for someelses product does qualify as betrayal
and scamming. It's also clear that both companies can't afford to
step forward on this issue, but Eyetechs refusal to honor the coupons
speaks for itself.

Both Nokia and Sharp went into a partnership with AInc, because they
were expecting more than PlanetZ for their HW.

Sharp searched and found other sources of "content", while Nokia canceled
their STB for unknown reasons.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 26 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 18-Jan-2003 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Kronos):
Ups sorry mixed up Sendo and Sharp ;)

But I also fail to remember a direct partnership between AInc and Sendo
(not that I would care).
Genesi needs You! : Comment 27 of 150ANN.lu
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Genesi needs You! : Comment 28 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Skyraker):
LOL
Genesi needs You! : Comment 29 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 18-Jan-2003 20:44 GMT
Yeah, verily: I saw the Pegasos/MorphOS/Genesi T-shirts, and the polo shirts ; }

That helped.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 30 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 18-Jan-2003 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Kronos):
Hyperion didn't know about the coupon. - Hardly 'betrayal and scamming' though it it? Besides, Hyperion will still be able to sell OS4 for full price. Amiga Inc is the one making the payment. Even though they have made the coupon available waaay too early, coupons that have been sold only help Hyperion sell more copies.

'Someone else's product'. Even though Hyperion have writen OS4 Amiga Inc. still owns the name and core IP and they can do whatever they like with it. If they want to offer coupons then that is entirely their choice. It's not like they're taking prepayments for OS X or something. Whatever your view they DO own the operating system so it is NOT 'someone else's product'. Also - Amiga Inc. are doing the refunding - not the dealers.

Nokia and Sendo were expecting more than 'Planet Z'. We have absolutely NO proof that this is the reason. As Nokia and Sendo stood only to gain from any partnership deal it is difficult to see this as being the reason. Again, this isn't 'betrayal or scamming' now is it?

Sendo searched and found other sources of content. - Actually Sendo fell out with MS and therefore dumped Pocket PC in favour of Symbian's kit. As AmigaAnywhere is currently a PocketPC system this is the likely reason for the break-up. Either-way absolutely nothing here constitutes 'betrayal or scamming' of any kind.

---
Sam
Genesi needs You! : Comment 31 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Jan-2003 21:33 GMT
PEGASOS AND THE SET-TOP BOX MAKER
A Play by Darrin

Cast:
Bill Buck – R. Lee Emery
Raquel Velasco – Jennifer Lopez
Nameless Suit – Bill Clinton
Ralph Schmidt – Rick Moranis
Ryan Czerwinski – Sir Clive Sinclair
Voice of Luca – Benito Mussolini (the only "famous" Italian I can think of)

Scene 1: CES COMPUTER SHOW.
Bill and Raquel are talking to a "Nameless Suit" at the Genesi stand will Ralph nervously resets crashing Pegasos computers in the background…

Nameless Suit: "I’m very impressed with this Pegasus of your Mr. Buck. It seems the ideal solution for my company’s Set-Top box idea."

Bill – "Excellent, Sir. May I suggest that you sign the contract now so that I can put Raquel to work assembling the machines for you immediately? Ralph can prepare the MorphOS installation."

Raquel – "Oh, Bill!!! You know I hate assembling motherboards!!! It chips my nails!!! Besides, we still need to produce that backlog of Peggies for KDH, Versalia..."

Bill – (turns rapidly to Raquel) "Quiet!!!". (He turns back to the Nameless Suit), "I’m sorry about that..."

Nameless Suit – "No, no, no!!! Don’t bother with that MoreFuss thingy!!! My market research boys have found out it’s based on something called a Colonel Quark or something... Or was it a Major Cockup...?"

Bill – (stuttering) "B-b-b-but… but… that’s the heart of Morefuss... I mean MorphOS... the Pegasos will be next to useless without it."

Nameless Suit – "Look, my boys have discovered that 95% of the world’s population think that a Quark is a treacherous Ferengi bar-tender that makes black-market smuggling deals. Now my company doesn’t want anything to do with theses Ferengi people, whoever they are."

Bill – "So what are we going to use on the Pegasos?"

Nameless Suit – "Relax. I was talking to my golfing partner Bill Gates and he showed me this neat little product of his called Amiga Anywhere. Have you heard of it?"

Bill – (choking) Bill Gates???!!!

Nameless Suit – "Yeah, he’s the head of Mircosoft. Don’t tell me you’ve never heard of them, I thought you were in the computer market? Hmmm, that’s worrying. Perhaps I’ve picked the wrong hardware..."

Bill – "No! That’s OK. In fact, we’re partners with Amiga Inc who own Amiga Anywhere. They’ve already agreed to port it for us." (he turns to Raquel) "Raquel, where’s that contract they signed?"

Raquel – (digs in her large purse and pulls out a faded piece of parchment sealed with a broken wax boing-ball) "Here it is."

Bill – (snatches the contract and hands it to the Nameless Suit) "Here you go. I’m as good as my word."

Nameless Suit - (reads the contract) "This looks rather old… and it’s about something called AmigaDE..."

Bill – "That’s because AmigaDE is the old name for Amiga Anywhere. We’ve been partners for a very long time. In fact, Bill McEwen and my parents were so close that they named me after him!!!"

Nameless Suit – "Really? Excellent! But tell me, why has someone penciled 'ad' onto the end of every reference to AmigaDE? AmigaDE ad? I don’t get it?"

Bill – "Don’t worry about that, it’s just an in-joke. Just sign my contract and we’ll get straight onto it."

Nameless Suit – "Sorry, I never sign anything. Just make them boards and get that Amiga Anywhere ready."

Bill – "Why won’t you sign?"

Nameless Suit – "That way I can back-out later without being sued. Anyway, I must run. Catch you later, partner!" (the Nameless Suit merges into the crowd)

Bill – "Damn! Ralph, get me Bill McEwen’s telephone number... we have to make a deal!!!"

Ralph – "Ve don’t have his number Heir Buck, it is disconnected!!!"

Bill – "Don’t be silly, his office should be in the phone book… it’s in... Oh, where is his office?"

Raquel – "I’ve heard it’s in a broom cupboard somewhere in Microsoft’s HQ."

Bill – "No, that’s just a rumour I started on ANN... Oh, I know!!! Dana Luca will know!!!" (Bill pulls out his cell phone and dials) "Hi, Dana Luca? Luca Dana?"

Luca – "Who is this?"

Bill – "It’s your old mate Bill Buck..."

Luca – "F*** off Bill" (the cellphone clicks dead)

Bill – "Hello? Hello? Damn, the b***** hung up on me! Now what do we do?"

Ryan – (oozes out of the crowd) "Perhaps I can help. My company has a deal with Amiga Inc too and as we’re both military men, perhaps we can do a deal..."

Bill – "What do you want in exchange?"

Ryan – "Well, first you must promise to be my friend, because I don’t have any. Then you must let me announce a partnership with my company. After all, I’m an ex airforce B52 bomber pilot, astronaut, doctor, surgeon, gynecologist and anthropologist and we’ll make a great team... plus, I have Bill McEwen’s home phonenumber in my pocket!!!"

Bill and Ryan slowly reach out to shake each other’s hand while the curtain slowly closes… end of Act 1.

Disclaimer: This is probably entirely fiction and the names used in this play are completely random. Any resemblance to persons living, dead, dieing or yet to be born is purely co-incidental and any similarity between the even depicted in this play and an evnt that actually took place is probably pure chance. No offence is intended, so read it and bloody well laugh!!!
Genesi needs You! : Comment 32 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 18-Jan-2003 22:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Skyraker):
Hey Moderators... Could you please fix those 'Report Abuse' links?

This is exactly same kind of junk Skyraker has been trying to put on Amiga.org. How about removing it from here.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 33 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 18-Jan-2003 22:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (JoannaK):
Funny thing.. I thought that Ann.lu was the fighting site... Here is only about 30 comments (and most of them are quite OK) while on Amiga.org there are over 130 comments and a lot's of then ate really low-class insults and flames.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 34 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 22:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (JoannaK):
A handful of inbreed psychopats makes the difference..
Genesi needs You! : Comment 35 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Jan-2003 22:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (JoannaK):
Spooky, isn't it?!!! ;-)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 36 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 18-Jan-2003 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
LOL !!
Genesi needs You! : Comment 37 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 22:38 GMT
> We are looking for Developers and highly motivated individuals who want to establish Development Teams and User Groups. In both cases, we will be offering special pricing on the Pegasos, CPU and OS upgrades, and peripherals, as we move ahead

Anybody has any idea what this means in terms of EUR and why this offer is restricted to development "teams" (as opposed to developers per se ?)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 38 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 18-Jan-2003 23:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
LOL... Darrin, that was awesome.
Looks like you where at the show and actually saw the "negotiations":-)

Great laugh, nice with some humour around here.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 39 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 18-Jan-2003 23:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
>Anybody has any idea what this means in terms of EUR and
>why this offer is restricted to development "teams" (as
>opposed to developers per se ?)

If they're paying the going rate for a professional coder then I'd say they're gonna have to fork out at least 40k EUR per annum per coder (pro rata). So if you're a single coder doing a couple of month's work for Genesi then you'd get maybe 6 or 7 grand?

Depends on your experience and what you're working on for them but even so I doubt anyone would expect to be paid that much... people are more likely to do it for the love.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 40 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 18-Jan-2003 23:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Lando):
Lando, I'm sure there will be some of this and some of that. But also, I think if a platofrm looks like a gamble with decent odds that more people are going to be willing to roll the dice {I guess I've been to Las Vegas ; }. One developer told me it was no big deal to support both AmigaOS and MorphOS; that it took him about an hour-and-a-half to get the strategy down: mostly because he had to ask a few questions on IRC and spent some time waiting : }
Genesi needs You! : Comment 41 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Jan-2003 23:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
>>Anybody has any idea what this means in terms of EUR and why this offer is restricted to development "teams" (as opposed to developers per se ?)

At a guess, I'd say he was appealing to professional groups (small software houses) as a way of promoting software development rather than the individual programmer who may try and claim a discount for simply writing a "demo" and who may get upset if he's told "No".

There can't be that much of a profit margin in the Pegasos and AmigaOne (More so for the Pegasos when you consider how much money they must be spending in adverstising) so they simply cannot discount the board to everyone. After all, if they can't make money out of the deal then the product will fail. That's the problem with this small market, the companies behind these solutions don't just have to produce a product, but they must also generate enough revenue from them to survive and support the user base in the future.

I might be buying an AmigaOne, but I very impressed by the way that the Pegasos is being marketed. When people go to that much effort, I have to hope that they have some sucess to reward their hard work.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 42 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Jan-2003 23:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Troels E):
Thanks mate :)

Now please go and post something nice about it on Amiga.org as I've only had two remarks about it there and and one of them is demanding that it's deleted!!! :-)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 43 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (JoannaK):
The abuse links have probably broken due to overuse....
Genesi needs You! : Comment 44 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Darrin):
> At a guess, I'd say he was appealing to professional groups (small software houses) as a way of promoting software development rather than the individual programmer who may try and claim a discount for simply writing a "demo" and who may get upset if he's told "No".

Software houses are a rare commodity in the Amiga market ;-) Anyway, talking about prices, if they don't cut it by half soon, I don't see regular customers coming. No customers, no developers. Even at half price, it would still be overpriced. As STB manufacturer, I'd rather go with an all-inclusive itx board and linux (150 US$ for a board with 1GHz cpu, video, sound).
Genesi needs You! : Comment 45 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 19-Jan-2003 00:43 GMT
I just dont see the pegasos used as a stb without a lot of changes to the motherboard.

Price reduction is also needed, but could maybe be achieved by redesign of the board, slower processor etc. But it have to be reduced by quite a lot.

Did anyone check out the Dreambox PPC STB?
http://www.dream-multimedia.tv/
Genesi needs You! : Comment 46 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 19-Jan-2003 00:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
>>Software houses are a rare commodity in the Amiga market ;-) Anyway, talking about prices, if they don't cut it by half soon, I don't see regular customers coming. No customers, no developers. Even at half price, it would still be overpriced. As STB manufacturer, I'd rather go with an all-inclusive itx board and linux (150 US$ for a board with 1GHz cpu, video, sound).

I agree that the prices on both the Pegasos and the AmigaOne considering that they're new systems with little "modern" software is going to be a major concern and it's not exactly going to make "normal computer users" rush out to buy one. However, I think back to my first Amiga, an A2000, and I remember that the configuration I bought then with a monitor and printer came to UKP2000 (which was $4000 back then). The only software that came with it at that price to demo to my waiting friends was an animated bitmap of a Jarvick 7 heart and an Amiga Basic program that drew cobwebs while playing what sounded like chuch organ music.... I instantly rushed into town and was lucky enough to find a shop that had Marble Madness and Defender of The Crown - the rest is history ;-)

Of course, at that time the Amiga was a quantum leap over anything else on the market, but as it sold the price fell lower and lower so hopefully by us buying an AmigaOne/Pegasos now then we'll help build that market that will cause the price to fall and for more people to develop software for us. Alternatively we could all wait and watch the projects fail. I really don't want to be running UAE in 10 years time and wondering what could have been... ;-)
Genesi needs You! : Comment 47 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 19-Jan-2003 01:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Troels E):
And what's so difficult about making a new version of board? It's inhouse product so they can make next revision whenever they need to. And this DTV thingy ain't no more small business for few hobbyists so cost's of new bord design ain't really too much. And optimizing sytem to costs/performace would be important cause they are going to be mass produced.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 48 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jan-2003 01:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Darrin):
> The only software that came with it at that price to demo to my waiting friends was an animated bitmap

Ah, glorious history :-) I remember my first C64. There was no software at all. I spent christmas eve entering the sound program from the manual, while the rest of the family ate cookies and was horrified.

History aside, the Peasos is still too expensive. I hope it's not the intense marketing and the shows that drives the price up to its current rather prohibitive state. If it is, they might be shooting themself into the feet.
Genesi needs You! : Comment 49 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 19-Jan-2003 01:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
and how many of us spent a whole evening typing in a basic program into our C64 only to POKE the graphics data into the same area of RAM which held the program because of a simple typo!!! Of course, we'd NEVER back up the program to tape first because it took 10 minutes to save it...
Genesi needs You! : Comment 50 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Jan-2003 01:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (JoannaK):
> And what's so difficult about making a new version of board?

Well, it's a question of at what number it starts to be cheaper to build another board with on-board components (a digital tv chipset for sat/cable with tv out, possibly a modem, possibly a small on-board switching power supply) rather than fitting these things via a PCI card or externally. Looks like they are talking pretty high numbers.
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