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[News] Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorldANN.lu
Posted on 10-Mar-2003 11:54 GMT by Amoon (Edited on 2003-03-10 13:19:16 GMT by Christian Kemp)130 comments
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AmigaWorld announces: We at AmigaWorld are proud to announce that Amiga's Chief Technology Officer Fleecy Moss has agreed on offering us weekly Questions and Answers sessions.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 51 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 10-Mar-2003 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
"We all spend hours a day communicating with users who write emails to us directly. "

Well that is not true for a start.

Gary (nearly) always replies to emails.

Fleecy replied to a couple a few years ago, then stopped after I started asking more serious questions.

McEwen has never to this day had the courtesy to reply to ANY of my emails.


"Now we will only announce something when it is in front of us, paid for or riveted to our foreheads"

Funnily enough, that sounds rather like McEwen's original "We won;t announce anything until there is something to announce" claim right at the start of AInc.

You didn't follow it then, so are you actually going to follow it this time for once?


" The t-shirt issue has not been handled well but in our defence, the resources we had to fulfill the t-shirt obligation were also put beyond us for some time."

So you admit that you couldn;t even keep some money aside from the money coming in from this to pay for the low-cost (and simple job) of printing up some T-shirts? And you expect to be taken seriously? Fact is, every "club fee" would have paid for 5 - 10 T-shirts to be printed. And yet you could not even keep back 10% - 20% of the income from that scheme? Hmm....


Sorry, but AInc have lied far too many times for you to be let off the hook with that pile of nonsense.

Action, not words, Fleecy. Remember McEwen's original pledge that you would only announce when there was something concrete to announce... and no, lying to the world saying "AOS4 is on shcedule and rockin" when it blatantly wasn't does NOT count as following your own policy (but DOES count as a lie).

(Of course, as someone else has pointed out, McEwen ALSO said we shoudl not believe it unless it is on the AInc website. So I presume we shoudl not believe what you wrote here? Or has that policy changed too?)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 52 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 10-Mar-2003 19:51 GMT
@Keith Blakemore-Noble

Give the man a break here. What else COULD he say, even if he wanted so? :)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 53 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 10-Mar-2003 19:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (fleecy moss):
Which were about the same answers that were posted in several different places, a bit updated here maybe.

But sure, feel free to bash away and call me whatever. Hint: I didnt say I loved the answers and neither that you should. But why do i care, some people lost all ratio.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 54 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 10-Mar-2003 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
>> "We all spend hours a day communicating with users who write emails to us directly. "
> Well that is not true for a start.

I see, not everyone replies to *your* mails, therefor they dont reply to mails at all. Maybe someone's seen your normal posts or maybe found your style offensive?

> Action, not words, Fleecy. Remember McEwen's original pledge that you would only announce when there was something concrete to announce... and no, lying to the world saying "AOS4 is on shcedule and rockin" when it blatantly wasn't does NOT count as following your own policy (but DOES count as a lie).

That statement can be perfectly valid, but simply something happened after that and forced a change in plans. Mainly its a missed deadline, if someone wants to count it as a lie, then every company does that.

Your problem is that youre so biased you see everything in the worst possible light.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 55 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Lewis on 10-Mar-2003 20:23 GMT
Fine example above.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 56 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy moss on 10-Mar-2003 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Gregg):
Hey Greg 8-)

I am quite happy to answer anything to the best of my abilities. I have 4 kids so I am used to being unpopular 8-)

cheers

fleecy moss
cto
amiga inc
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 57 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Lewis on 10-Mar-2003 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (fleecy moss):
Please ask Kemp to be signed up as a "Trusted User" then we can believe your the real deal but as it is now you could be someone spoofing.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 58 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy moss on 10-Mar-2003 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
Dear Keith 8-)

>Well that is not true for a start.
>
>Gary (nearly) always replies to emails.
>
>Fleecy replied to a couple a few years ago, then stopped after I started >asking more serious questions.

As I said, I spend about an hour a day answering private emails from Amigans. As I do have other work to do, sometimes it takes a few days and I'm sure some slip through the net. I can rarely carry on a detailed thread with one person though, and often people become irritated either because I don't give them the answer they want or because I tell them I cannot be expected to reveal the private or confidential information that they desire. I do my best. In fact that's partly the reason for the ten questions thing.

>McEwen has never to this day had the courtesy to reply to ANY of my emails.

Bill has a huge schedule of work and I'm lucky if I get email answers from him so please don't take it personally.

>Funnily enough, that sounds rather like McEwen's original "We won;t announce >anything until there is something to announce" claim right at the start of >AInc.
>
>You didn't follow it then, so are you actually going to follow it this time >for once?

As I think explained about 18 months ago, we tried that and were criticised for saying nothing. We tried being more open but had a lot of our posting torn apart, misinterpreted and worse. Add to that the announcement of deals in the works that for whatever reasons then failed to materialise and yes, the criticism is justified. We have now returned to our original policy of saying nothing but even when just lurking it is apparent that people still interpret this as meaning we don't care, or are in trouble. It is difficult to know what to do except keep our heads down and then pop up with AmigaOS4.0 running on the AmigaOne.

>So you admit that you couldn;t even keep some money aside from the money >coming in from this to pay for the low-cost (and simple job) of printing up >some T-shirts? And you expect to be taken seriously? Fact is, every "club fee" >would have paid for 5 - 10 T-shirts to be printed. And yet you could not even >keep back 10% - 20% of the income from that scheme? Hmm....

The T-shirt issue is something that we haven't managed in the way we had wanted to but there are more reasons for it than one of simple resource availability. It has been at the top of our priority list for some months now and we are doing all we can to sort it out in the immediate future.

>Sorry, but AInc have lied far too many times for you to be let off the hook >with that pile of nonsense.

I was not asking to be let off the hook. It should have been handled better. I will be as glad to see this issue resolved as anyone out there. People will continue to beat us over the head with this for many years to come, and rightfully so.

>Action, not words, Fleecy. Remember McEwen's original pledge that you would >only announce when there was something concrete to announce... and no, lying >to the world saying "AOS4 is on shcedule and rockin" when it blatantly wasn't .does NOT count as following your own policy (but DOES count as a lie).

Again, we were overly optimistic, not of the work or of the talent of the developers but in being able to resource both the AmigaDE and the AmigaOS. In such a tight financial pinch, both have suffered. If just one of the many possible deals or investments that were always just about to break had broken instead of evaporated, the those schedules would most likely have been met. I say 'most likely' because the last 24 months have taught me that there are very few certainties.

>(Of course, as someone else has pointed out, McEwen ALSO said we shoudl not >believe it unless it is on the AInc website. So I presume we shoudl >not .believe what you wrote here? Or has that policy changed too?)

No, I was just answering your questions. I haven't made any statements about products, policies or timelines here and yes, you should only look at what is up on the website as being true.

cheers

fleecy moss
cto
amiga inc
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 59 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Emilio Fede on 10-Mar-2003 22:09 GMT
I found this idea really great!
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 60 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Lewis on 10-Mar-2003 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Emilio Fede):
Do not, this could be someone spoofing to pull the wool over your eyes (same goes if it is the real dead)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 61 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 10-Mar-2003 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (fleecy moss):
@fleecy

It is good to see you appearing here, fleecy. It is also good to see that you
(so far) seem to be wise (or at least cool-headed) enough to keep your postings
polite and calm. Will you be popping in more frequently in the forums from now
on?

The questions so far put forward in here are - albeit somewhat crudely and
hatefully phrased - all valid. Whereas I suppose nothing short of AOS4, AOne and
that T-shirt-PR-nightmare finally delivered will count as true progress to
the community, it is still good to hear you are willing to acknowledge your
shortcomings.

For the rest of my comment, I refer to my questions already posted at Amigaworld.
.
SlimJim
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 62 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy moss on 10-Mar-2003 22:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (SlimJim):
Hey SlimJim 8-)

I regularly lurk whilst waiting for make to growl its way through the various projects but I won't be interacting too much - that is one of the reasons behind the ten questions. It does take a lot of time - for instance in replying to Keith it took me ten minutes and I didn't think I was a slow typist.

People are angry and frustrated both at the delays and the mistakes that we have made and with something as passionate as the Amiga that can always boil over. What is plain is that people just want AmigaOS4.0 finished and so that's what we are concentrating on now.

cheers

fleecy moss
cto
amiga inc
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 63 of 130ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 19 (Bill Hoggett):
Message removed by Teemu I. Yliselä for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: impersonation
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 64 of 130ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 62 (fleecy moss):
Message removed by Teemu I. Yliselä for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: impersonation
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 65 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 11-Mar-2003 00:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Oh grow up! It's so transparent its sad.
.
SlimJim
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 66 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Ugh, stupid ANN logins on 11-Mar-2003 00:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (fleecy moss):
Lying to people isn't over-optimism, it's just lying.

When you lie to people it's not a sign that the economy is in trouble, it's a sign that you're a scumbag. You can rationalise it in order to be able to live with yourself, but we don't have to. We can just dismiss you as another Amiga scumbag, there have been lots before and as long as the gullible queue up to give their cash to scumbags I'm sure there will be more.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 67 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 11-Mar-2003 00:20 GMT
A message of understanding.

It's interesting to me to note that, I believe:

All of the vehement flamers that are anti-Amiga, are really AMBITIOUS and productive people who really, really, want to do things that WOULD move computing forward, but CAN'T, just because equipment is unavailable.

It's driving them CRAZY, so the only way they can show it is by verbal abuse, or leave.

I can understand their frustration, after all, I too, WANT AN A1 NOW!!!!

But, all I can do is wait, and wait....

I cannot help them get it completed faster, all I can do is post encouraging views, opinions and thoughts. :))

AmigaOne! When we see and use the final product, then the criticism and praise should be vocal!
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 68 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Lewis on 11-Mar-2003 00:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
You are so correct about Bouma, he is not even a normal Amiga user, more like a obsessed Amiga fan who attacks anyone who criticizes anything Amiga, if we all sat back and took all the sh!t Amiga Inc and the rest of the amiga companies throws at us we would all be great friends of Bouma.

--

Amigaworld - Come Amigans and let us pray together
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 69 of 130ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 50 (MarkTime):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation (and a stupid one at that)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 70 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 11-Mar-2003 01:10 GMT
10 questions a week.....That should take how many week(s) to either use up fully relative and answerable questions or begin repeating .....

Hmmm, it does seem that even now the repeating has begun....above...
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 71 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 11-Mar-2003 01:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (fleecy moss):
> and the AmigaOS. In such a tight financial pinch,
> both have suffered. If just one of the many possible
> deals or investments that were always just about to
> break had broken instead of evaporated, the those schedules
> would most likely have been met. I say 'most likely'
> because the last 24 months have taught me that there
> are very few certainties.

There it is in black and white, EVERYDAY of your life you face trials and tribulations, and learn something new in the process. Setbacks, setbacks, setbacks, beyond their control, that's all.

The ones who are working on the project want to use a running version of AOS4.0 as much as any of us out here, who are desparately waiting for it.

It's not like they're using it at home and laughing at us, who are sadly exposed to constant short comings and failures of the (not) os's we use. (applies to no version of AOS)

AmigaOne! Ready when it's ready!
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 72 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 11-Mar-2003 01:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Bill Gates):
I could be wrong, but I don't think that's the real McCoy:))))

BTW: Hey bg, why is my harddrive light flickering every 3 seconds and how do I stop it? (w98se)

AmigaOne! Flattery will get you nowhere:))
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 73 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 11-Mar-2003 01:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Jerry Lewis):
>Amigaworld - Come Amigans and let us pray together

D**n, another place I'm not welocme at!! ;))

AmigaOne! Surrender your soulll.....!
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 74 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Jack the Hat on 11-Mar-2003 03:36 GMT
Have you every been on Amigaworld?

That place is some f**ked up area for the proper Amiga zealots who will defend Amiga companies and just attack anyone that says anything slightly negative about the Amiga, if your not a Amiga zombie then that site is not for you.

Do not listen to the above, just read the comments on amigaworld.net and see the proper Amiga zombies in action.

How the hell they can call it Amigaworld is a mystery, why not AmigaChurchWorld or AmigaPraise.net?
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 75 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Jack the Hat on 11-Mar-2003 03:43 GMT
389 Amiga zombies on that site, now that is what you call a proper cult.

Near bottom right and look under "The Team" and you will see the main ring leaders of the cult which are well known in the Amiga community as very biased Amiga die hard people who will stop at nothing to destroy anyone that says anything negative about Amiga Inc and other Amiga companies.

Yes the above could be bullshit but i challenge you to go on there and say one thing negative about Amiga inc and watch your ass get threated with a ban.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 76 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Jack the Hat on 11-Mar-2003 03:44 GMT
389 Amiga zombies on that site, now that is what you call a proper cult.

Near bottom right and look under "The Team" and you will see the main ring leaders of the cult which are well known in the Amiga community as very biased Amiga die hard people who will stop at nothing to destroy anyone that says anything negative about Amiga Inc and other Amiga companies.

Yes the above could be bullshit but i challenge you to go on there and say one thing negative about Amiga inc and watch your ass get threatened with a ban.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 77 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 11-Mar-2003 08:45 GMT
Most of you guys really don't seem to get it ? Most of the guys who left here and are now in the AmigaWorld.net and MorphOSNews are mainly those who are sick of this continuos war. You morons still don't get it. You just start war on every thread. You continue this stupid war endlessly, doesn't it matter that people have started to abandon this site and Amiga.org ?

Those of us who hate this war are leaving now.

Soon the only guys left here are bunch of sad morons fighting against each other. You should change name ANN to ANFW (Amiga network flamewars). Goodbye I will NOT miss this site.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 78 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 11-Mar-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Jack the Hat):
negative has always been ok, but inflamatory or nasty is another matter (just look at your posts for examples of the last 2)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 79 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 11-Mar-2003 09:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Jack the Hat):
Your hatred is becoming obsessional, seek help.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 80 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 11-Mar-2003 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Jack the Hat):
389 Amiga zombies on that site, now that is what you call a proper cult.

... i challenge you to go on there and say one thing negative about Amiga inc and watch your ass get threatened with a ban.

-------------

I am one of those 389, and definetely not an Amiga-zombie. Not a Genesi-zombie either. And I _will_ critizise Amiga Inc. there, just watch me. If it gets me banned, well, everyone can draw their conclusions what the site is worth then.
before that, cool down and give it a chance.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 81 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Mar-2003 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Hooligan/DCS):
It probably helps if you're able to criticize someone without reverting to swear words and/or slander. Which seems to be a big problem for some people online these days. Not saying you're one of them, but it seems you're more or less set on making them ban you from the start. Not a good way to approach an online forum, no?
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 82 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 11-Mar-2003 13:38 GMT
If I have to choose between more or less, it's less. And no, I very rarely curse in public (I know, it's known to happen .. but only a few times :)

I will be just as critical towards Amiga Inc. as I will be towards Genesi if there is a reason. If I remember correctly I don't work for either of companies, got nothing to be afraid of.

plan b:
What about closing all forums till OS4 is released, hold each others hands and put on the good old "What a wonderfull world"-song? ;-)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 83 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Name on 11-Mar-2003 14:23 GMT
People need a site to pray to the Amiga gods just like christians, Muslims, Jews etc.

If they stay in one site praying then that is good news but if they force their views on other people then it is bad.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 84 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 11-Mar-2003 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ugh, stupid ANN logins):
Did you know that "lying" is an essential part of modern life. It's been proven that (usually in business life) a person lies on average 8 times a day.
For example, your boss(you do have one right?) rings you after having a bad a day...he wants to know if the deal has been completed yet. You are in the middle of getting the signature from the other party but it's not done yet....what do you do? Tell him it's not done and he has to ring back when it is or you ring him back when he's in another meeting? Thus making him more irrate. It's simpler(maybe not ethical) to tell him it's done...and it is for all he knows. Lies my dear man keep business ticking over smoothly. It's a big bad world out there.


>Lying to people isn't over-optimism, it's just lying.

>When you lie to people it's not a sign that the economy is in trouble, it's a sign that you're a scumbag. You can rationalise it in order to be able to live with yourself, but we don't have to. We can just dismiss you as another Amiga scumbag, there have been lots before and as long as the gullible queue up to give their cash to scumbags I'm sure there will be more
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 85 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 11-Mar-2003 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Jerry Lewis):
I think it's safe enough to say this is Fleecy(polite Brit! :) I just hope there is something close on the horizon or he'll be answering questions till there is! ;)
One question I'd like to put to Fleecy eventually...Is there still some enthusiasm left in Amiga Inc...or would they be better off selling everything to Hyperion?


> Do not, this could be someone spoofing to pull the wool over your eyes (same goes if it is the real dead)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 86 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_x on 11-Mar-2003 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (fleecy moss):
Is this the real Fleecy?
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 87 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy moss on 11-Mar-2003 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (KenH):
Hey there 8-)

we certainly wouldn't have gone through the business and personal nightmares of the last three years if we weren't passionate and enthusiastic about the Amiga, both the AmigaOS and the AmigaDE. There are far less painful ways of earning a lot more money - luckily it isn't about money 8-)

cheers

fleecy moss
cto
amiga inc
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 88 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 11-Mar-2003 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (KenH):
" Did you know that "lying" is an essential part of modern life. It's been proven that (usually in business life) a person lies on average 8 times a day.
For example, your boss(you do have one right?) rings you after having a bad a day...he wants to know if the deal has been completed yet. You are in the middle of getting the signature from the other party but it's not done yet....what do you do? "

What do I do? Simple. I tell him "Hey, Bill, you know what? I'm in the middle of getting the guy's signature on the contract. I'll let you know the second the ink dries!".

My boss will then be happy because he knows exactly what is going on, and as soon as the ink dries, I phone him or email him and tell him (or leave him a voicemail if he is away from his desk).

See? It really is not necessary to tell lies in business.

Not necessary at all.

And before you start waffling, I do know this is exactly how my boss would want me to behave. He knows he can trust me and he knows that he can believe that what I say I am doing is actually what I AM doing, and likewise I know I can trust him.

Trust. there's that word which McEwen bandies around, demanding that we trust him, while he carries on lying (sorry Fleecy, despite your attempts to spin it, McEwen regularly tells LIES) about the situation.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 89 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 11-Mar-2003 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
It was only an example to get the idea across. No need to get any nickers in a twist. The idea being that, let's call them "honest lies" or "well intended mistruths" are used all the time as shown by behavioural science. The cause isn't something you can really analyse until you are in the situation experiencing all the pressures and stresses involved.
In any case, it's not a total excuse for Amiga Inc and they really should have learned from some of the mistakes better. It is though, a train of thought that suggests that Amiga Inc aren't the BIG BAD out to deceive the "community" as you seem to be implying. You should at least agree that Fleecy's Q&A session is a step in the right direction. Maybe they have learned this time.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 90 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 11-Mar-2003 20:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (fleecy moss):
Indeed. The fact that you have stuck it out through all the crap does suggest there might be hope. I wish you luck in your endevours. :)

>we certainly wouldn't have gone through the business and personal nightmares of the last three years if we weren't passionate and enthusiastic about the Amiga, both the AmigaOS and the AmigaDE. There are far less painful ways of earning a lot more money - luckily it isn't about money 8-)
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 91 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 11-Mar-2003 21:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (fleecy moss):
<<Dear Keith 8-)>>

Hi Fleecy,

I'll trim this heavily to save everyone's time!

<<As I said, I spend about an hour a day answering private emails from Amigans. As I do have other work to do, sometimes it takes a few days and I'm sure some slip through the net. I can rarely carry on a detailed thread with one person though, and often people become irritated either because I don't give them the answer they want or because I tell them I cannot be expected to reveal the private or confidential information that they desire. I do my best. In fact that's partly the reason for the ten questions thing.>>

Oh, I'm not talking about an entirely understandable delay of a few days or weeks - I'm talking about emails unanswered for 2 years and counting! Since a few weeks after the evening in Reading after signing up with TAO, in fact (I mention this merely to give an indication of how long a timespan I am talking about).

No, not complaining about dropping out during a long detailed thread, nor declining to answer indepth questions about NDA'd matertial. Just a total blanking. ah well.

<<>McEwen has never to this day had the courtesy to reply to ANY of my emails.

Bill has a huge schedule of work and I'm lucky if I get email answers from him so please don't take it personally.>>

Then he shoudl not pretend to be willing to accept emails from people if he is not going to bother replying. He should not have his email address on the AInc website if he is not going to bother replying.

Geez, you guys are supposed to be a technically savvy company - you can't even manage a simple auto-response system to handle emails McEwen cannot be bothered to answer?

Scott @ Sun and Steve @ Apple manage to respond in some form or another, yet McEwen can't? Hmmm.

It's all about communication, Fleecy. Public Reelations. The sort of stuff which AInc has sucked at since its inception (I know some in AInc undersdtand this, I've had conversations with Gary about this in the past).

<<>Funnily enough, that sounds rather like McEwen's original "We won;t announce >anything until there is something to announce" claim right at the start of >AInc.
>
>You didn't follow it then, so are you actually going to follow it this time >for once?

As I think explained about 18 months ago, we tried that and were criticised for saying nothing.>>

Sorry, that does not fit in with my recollection of events, I'm afraid. as I recall, it was AInc who broke their own rule, much to the amazement of the then assembled Amigans who tended to assume something was happening much sooner than planned, BECAUSE of McEwen's claim of not announcing something until there was something to announce (a technique which he very quickly forgot, sadly).

Of course, I suppose everyone will recollect differently!

<<We tried being more open but had a lot of our posting torn apart, misinterpreted and worse.>>

How the hell can you misinterpret "AmigaOS4 is on schedule and rockin'"? Especially when McEwen claimed this so close to the projected launch date (by which I mean that it would have had to be true by that stage in order to have a hope of meeting his own deadline)?

<<Add to that the announcement of deals in the works that for whatever reasons then failed to materialise and yes, the criticism is justified.>>

To be perfectly hoinest, it was AInc's own fault for being so bloody stupid. You wait until the deal is sealed, THEN you make a big noise about it. you don't build up the hype in advance in teh hopes that the deal will probably be OK.

Did you guys learn NOTHING from the *B*I*G* fiasco at that WoA all those years ago?

<<We have now returned to our original policy of saying nothing but even when just lurking it is apparent that people still interpret this as meaning we don't care, or are in trouble. It is difficult to know what to do except keep our heads down and then pop up with AmigaOS4.0 running on the AmigaOne.>>

Hey, here's a thought. If you really have made a conscious decision to return to that original plan for thos reasons - TELL PEOPLE. Don;t just suddenly go from making announcements of announcements about planned potential deals to saying nothing and then expect everyone to realise what's going on.

(Of course, if you had kept your heads down until AOS4 pops out, then it would have been down for 16 months so far and STILL no sign...)


<<The T-shirt issue is something that we haven't managed in the way we had wanted to but there are more reasons for it than one of simple resource availability. It has been at the top of our priority list for some months now and we are doing all we can to sort it out in the immediate future.>>

Eeeek.

so even though getting T-shirts printed and distributed has been AIn'c top priority for some months now (your words, not mine), you STILL haven't managed the trivially simple task of getting a bunch of T-shirts printed?

*shakes head in disbelief*

Fleecy, it really is not that difficult. It is trivially easy. And yet even with that as their top priority for months, AInc cannot manage it?

PLEASE tell me it ain't so, Fleecy. I'm being serious here. Please tell me that AInc are not struggling so badly that they cannot even manage to get a bunch of shirts printed when it is their top priority for MONTHS?

<<>Sorry, but AInc have lied far too many times for you to be let off the hook >with that pile of nonsense.

I was not asking to be let off the hook. It should have been handled better. I will be as glad to see this issue resolved as anyone out there.>>

Then we are agreed? AInc have fscked up badly and repeatedly throughout their entire existance, so it is no wonder that many people have lost all faith in AInc and their ability to deliver anything - fair assessment of the situation?



<<Again, we were overly optimistic, not of the work or of the talent of the developers but in being able to resource both the AmigaDE and the AmigaOS.>>

Erm, but you were never going to do AOS4.0 - that was absent from AInc;s original published plans, up until the U-turn (the one where McEwen announced a 180 degree change of plans whilst telling us there was no change of plans). And since then, AInc have not been doing AOS4 - that is all external and always was. So you can't blame AOS4 slippages for delaying AmigaDE.

Which reminds me. If McEwen does answer any of your emails, can you ask him where these long-promised updates to the AmigaDE SDK are, please? I still have my copy of the SDK, which still seems to be missing those vital updates which McEwen promised woudl be delivered very soon, and which have never materialised.

(Yes, I was actually planning to do stuff for AmigaDE back in the days when there was AmigaDE replacing Classic Amiga. Sadly, though, given AInc's continued lack of delivery of anything, and McEwen's continual lies, I have lost all faith in AInc and their ability to do anything positive for the Amiga, I'm afraid. Believe me, I wanted you to succeed. I really did. and for a while I actually thought AInc *might* succeed and deliver. Sadly, bitter experience has shown that ain't happening :-( It woudl still be nice to be plesantly surprised, but I've log ago given up hoping for that).


Anyway, thanks for the bits of information you have given in this thread, and good luck with whateverr it is AInc actually gets round to doing (yes, I really do still wish you guys good luck and hope you can finally succeed).

cheers,
Keith
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 92 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 11-Mar-2003 23:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
That's some post Keith! ;) I agree with you on most of the points too! And not to draw it out the issue of T-shirts, but I hope you and others don't just think it's a matter of printing the shirts. Or do you? Remember, the members come from all over the world. How much is that going to cost in postage, in man power and probably most important of all, in time?
Again, I'm in no way trying to apologize for AI's actions.....just trying to see what you may not be considering.

>so even though getting T-shirts printed and distributed has been AIn'c top priority for some months now (your words, not mine), you STILL haven't managed the trivially simple task of getting a bunch of T-shirts printed?
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 93 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Mar-2003 23:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (fleecy moss):
@Fleecy: BullShit.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 94 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2003 02:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ugh, stupid ANN logins):
Define lying! If I tell you "By next summer I will buy a new PC" and something happens between here and next summer and I can't afford to buy the PC anymore am I lying?
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 95 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2003 02:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
>He should not have his email address on the AInc website if he is not going
>to bother replying.

What drugs are you on? Among the dozens of junk mail like yours there are probably some interesting ones that he wants to read. Now go out and cure your superiority complex.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 96 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 12-Mar-2003 03:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Jack the Hat):
>389 Amiga zombies on that site, now that is what you call a proper cult.

I'm one of people who signed up for www.amigaworld.com's membership and what you have stated is highly subjective statement. The word "hammer" should indicate my liking to certain company located in Sunnyvale.

>Near bottom right and look under "The Team" and you will see the main ring >leaders of the cult which are well known in the Amiga community as very >biased Amiga die hard people who will stop at nothing to destroy anyone that >says anything negative about Amiga Inc and other Amiga companies.
That would be subjective statement btw.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 97 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Mar-2003 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (hammer):
> That would be subjective statement btw.

But in the case of Bouma an accurate one.

There should be little doubt that when Bouma joined them as admin he brought along his own personal agenda and his reputation.

A fairly quick read through recent threads (including those "temporarily" moved elsewhere for editing) would show you that their all-inclusive policy means "all-inclusive as long as it doesn't say anything nice about Amiga Inc's rivals", and non-flaming means "no criticism of Amiga Inc and its supporters permitted". Certainly there was evidence of demands that MOS threads be removed and a lot of beyond borderline anti-MOS/Pegasos comments that went without comment from the admins.

AmigaWorld.net has been hijacked by the propaganda brigade and the Thought Police patrol there.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 98 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 12-Mar-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Bill Hoggett):
if that were true then normal users wouldnt stand for it and leave, or do you think us all to be fools ?

there are some people who are just tired of the fights, so we moved somewhere else.. big deal. if the new place does start to get one sided then we will say things, thats how it works.

amigaworld is new, and is in a state of change at the moment, so everyone judging it straight off the bat is both unfair and short sighted.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 99 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 12-Mar-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Anonymous):
Coming from an anonymous coward, that's a compliment.
Fleecy Moss to answer Ten Questions a Week @ AmigaWorld : Comment 100 of 130ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 12-Mar-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
Hello Keith,

Only in this wonderful Amiga community would the users think they should have a hotline direct to the CEO. :)

In any case, if you are a registered SDK owner, you should contact Gary Peake or me via e-mail, where we can do business properly. Bill is not the guy to contact for Support.

The proper e-mail address is support@amiga.com or support@amigadev.net
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