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8 Days ahead of schedule! The first ever Q&A With Fleecy Moss is now available over at AmigaWorld.net
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 51 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by MuLTiViEW on 16-Mar-2003 05:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
Heh... argueing with an ANNONYMOUS troll. Someone who is scared like a little rabbit to use a real nick.

Figures.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 52 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 16-Mar-2003 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (MuLTiViEW):
I wouldn't let it get to you multiview, I guess some have taken your thoughts without the ulterior meaning behind them or even the sincere questions you proposed. However some of your posts have left a bad taste for even the mild mannered reader who just wants information. Perhaps fleece made the wrong choice of words when answering the questions, or by chance left out important information that he couldn't spill yet. In all, who knows and who cares. I know for a fact that there are much better questions fleece should be looking to answer rather than the 10 on that site. Perhaps a neutral ground reporter with no official endorsement from a magazine/news site would be best (other than the official endorsed news site mind you). What about a moderated IRC session like what we used to do at the US shows? I'd propose someone set something like that up and post the logs of the Q&A session to a neutral web site. I know I'd be there ready to pop off my candid questions.

Personal opinion: These 10 questions a week almost seem like fleecy is trying to parade the Amiga brand loyal to one supported site. Something is just not right, and I can't figure it out.

For the first time I laughed and agreed with something that cheesegrate said. Can't wait to use the calculator in OS4. Hahahaha
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 53 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Mar-2003 07:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (the man in the shadows):
> I know for a fact that there are much better questions fleece should be looking to answer rather than the 10 on that site.

That is purely a matter of perspective ( motive ). Go and ask them on the
site.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 54 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 16-Mar-2003 07:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (the man in the shadows):
Well, it's 10 new questions every week and anone is free to ask. If you didn't like this week's questions, get over there and ask your own and the next week's questions might suit your taste better, ok?

Geez, some people just won't stop complaining...
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 55 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2003 07:39 GMT
Agreed, this isn't about MOS trolling... *I* am a MOS fan, and *I*'m the one who said some of you are turning this place into a mob.

I don't object to opinions, I don't object to arguements, I even am amused by the intelligent flamewar, but this crass mobbing is absolutely RUDE to the thread, the website your posting on, and to the readers.

I don't really like the way Amigaworld.net is sterilised, but when you mobbers are trashing this place in such an over the top fashion, it starts looking slightly attractive.

You people are getting WAY too personal. Chill out and enjoy the fact that we still have forums left. stop insisting Amiga Inc are the Antichrist, and stop insisting MOS fans are rebellious troublemakers.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 56 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Boyd on 16-Mar-2003 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
:@D RTFLOL.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 57 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Mar-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
"Holy cow man, can we lay off of Fleecy? it's a little over the top."

The rhetoric is too crude, but fleecy _is_ the Chief Technical Officer, the use of Tao's technology was his idea, and he is the person responsible if Amiga Inc fails. Bill McEwen can only market what fleecy produces.

So if there are criticisms to be made (preferably in language that is more likely to get a reply), that is the person they should be aimed at.



(Personally, I though the Tao stuff, which is neat technology in its own right, was a good idea 3 years ago. I changed my mind: it isn't going to work. Amiga technology, to be successful, has to be a combination of cross-platform standards like the C language, and native Amiga development, as is being done by the IBrowse and Hyperion teams. Licensing other people's stuff or porting from Linux is no good.

But this is much clearer now than it was 4 years ago.)
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 58 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Mar-2003 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (samface):
"Well, it's 10 new questions every week and anone is free to ask. If you didn't like this week's questions, get over there and ask your own and the next week's questions might suit your taste better, ok?"

I think the questions that are easy to answer will be selected each week.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 59 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 16-Mar-2003 08:52 GMT
"totally agree. Those idiots have nothing for their own, not even the SW that
they used to demo as a flagship title on MOS (Candy Factory). ANN used to be a good place, I wouldn't be so nice as to define it a gutter, all you get here is junk."
----

1) First of all, this thread is about Moss and Amiga Inc, not about Buck and Genesi
2) Candy Factory is the 'flagship' of MorphOS .. what the hell are you talking about? The only place I have seen it was in a video of Pegasos being tested, it ran Candy Factory for 30 seconds and thats it.
The video itself was meaningless anyway as it didn't show anything usefull.
3) ANN used to be a good place before people like YOU started turning _every_ god damn thread to Amiga vs Genesi / OS4 vs MOS issue. In a real world there are Amiga users who don't like AInc's policy, and still they don't give a shit about MOS.

As for Multiview's comments. I agree with you partly, wish you could be a little bit less aggressive though. Moss has been left alone in the past, meanwhile Hyperion/McEwen/Eyetech has gotten their share of crap.
To be honest, I have never understood the critisism towards Hyperion anyway, they just work on the OS. It's not their fault if things don't go as planned hardwarewise.
OS4 taking so long to finish, and why so, I don't know. I have never programmed an operating system, I wouldn't know how long it takes to create one. Have you?

As for the original topic, it was just the first 10 questions, and easy questions must end at some point. THEN it will get interesting.
Moss did OK I think. Answered clearly and seemingly honestly. However, personally I would have left out the "we have the most advanced calculators"-part .. I dropped off my chair two times when I read it. I tell you, I ran out of tissues yesterday as I couldn't stop laughing about it :)
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 60 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (MuLTiViEW):
"As for anyone else responding? Suck it. My post is aimed at one spider-faced, two-timing, chicken-necked, lizard geek: Flea-cy! To no other!
If he doesn't have the stomach to respond to the allegation that he's a Bill Gates kissing, Microshaft-loving, Amiga-Sabotaging, Ostrich-spank then I've been right about him all along.

This isn't a real flame and I ain't a troll."

Damn, multiview ran out of stack and is spewing nonsense again...
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 61 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Mar-2003 09:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
LOL!
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 62 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 16-Mar-2003 10:01 GMT
This thread has turned beyond pathetic now.

The "blind naysayers" should perhaps be the new coinphrase, just as the "blind
worshippers" has been for some time now. Both terms are just as idioticly
generalizing - but follow the same trend: One person states something
controversal, and the mob (of either conviction, be it Amiga, MOS, x86, anti-this,
or anti-that) jumps on the wagon.

And in the end, nothing constructive is being said.

---

For the record - this calculator could actually be interesting to me. It all
depends on what fleecy means with "the best" really. If it's just a
fancy-looking basic thing with +,-,/,* (as cheesegrate immediately though of, it
seems), then I agree it's a non-issue. But I would be very interested in a
full-blown scientific calculator. If that is what fleecy means by "best", it
would be very useful for me to have on a PDA (or in AOS for that matter).
.
SlimJim
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 63 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Mar-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Hooligan/DCS):
"OS4 taking so long to finish, and why so, I don't know. I have never programmed an operating system, I wouldn't know how long it takes to create one. Have you?"

It usually takes several years.

However, OS4 is a port with improvements, not a new OS, so one might expect a couple of years from starting the project to first release. An OS is never really "finished" as new hardware is constantly appearing.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 64 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Mar-2003 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (SlimJim):
@SlimJim

For the record, what wagon are we talking about here and can you show, with
annotations, who and what is jumping on which?

I agree the thread so far has been utterly pointless, but I think the reasons
are slightly different than what you seem to, but I hesitate to give a detailed
response until I understand your position better.

Feel free to lob a dose of criticism at me too.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 65 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by MuLTiViEW on 16-Mar-2003 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Hooligan/DCS):
Heheh... I guess I was a bit harsh but after Fleecy has been treated so well and literaly worshipped...... I think a "balancing effect" was in order to even the scales back.

The Calculator bit bothered me on many levels... but not nearly as bad as the mentioning that they "considered" going to Microsoft for an IE port. Granted the "current".. and I say... the CURRENT browsers for Amiga are probably not as effective as IE, It saddens me to think innovation has seemingly been replaced by someone else's "standarization"

I remember when Ibrowse was barely 500k in total size, and IE was HUGE... yet.. Ibrowse did ok and yet for a while I heard it only had one person even working on it for a long time. Incredible what one person can do versus an entire company like Microsoft who is FULL of resources to draw on. (As well as funds)

No one got that point. Not on IRC... (They all said they'd rather have IE than anything made by Amiga... yes.. even NeRP said he'd rather have a PC browser than any browser developed by and for Amiga) ... and not on here.

If a program was developed on a particular OS... for that OS... then it's more natural to that OS. A simple port of IE to Amiga OS might end up being more buggy and problematic than expected.

Not to mention LESS updated than one that was developed on the Amiga and for the Amiga... (people I talked to tonite on IRC... did NOT see this long term effect at all) Also.. furthermore... if you "rent" someone else's browser.. like IE.. from Microsoft.. it ends up costing more money the longer it goes on.. than it would to actually hire someone to create a new one based on the OS.

Not only that.. but there is the strong possibility that any contract to include such a "Licensed program" on an OS Release, might also include other stipulations like.... "While this is being allowed... no other browser may be created or developed with the intention of replacing IE"

This sounds a bit crazy.. but it was actually told to me by someone... it means that if Amiga Inc were to "hypothetically" rent IE to put on their CD... Amiga Inc could NEVER make their own browser in the future..... or risk being sued.

If you stop and think about it... the sheer volume of problems that would just line up one after another if IE was "rented" would be amazing! And all of these problems would be far off in the future.. not near. So it's difficult for some people to even grasp let alone understand what a horrible mistake it would be to even "consider" it. So Fleecy's "consideration" bothered me.

And that's not all that bothered me about that. His attitude was that of viewing his own company as one that is "small" and "insignificant". This shows a lack of confidence in the product he's making or has worked on. It clearly shows, at least to me, that he thinks very lowly of what he's worked on since going to Amiga Inc. This comment of his alone needs further scrutiny and not just by someone like me, but possibly by his employers.

If I was in charge of Amiga Inc. right now, I would fire Fleecy Moss literaly based on his comment about Amiga being "small". This is a self defeating quote and I wouldn't tolerate it as it's hinting the company is simply inferior.

Such lack of loyalty is frightening from a man so deeply involved in something as crucial as OS development. It's downright disturbing.

I seriously don't trust Amiga Inc right now because of this.

Here it is almost April... I remember not long ago last year when everyone said... "AOS 4 will be out by August..." then. "Oh it'll be out before the end of November for sure..." then..... " someime before Decemeber ends.."

Heh... hell.. my friends on IRC STILL haven't gotten their AmigaOne boards and they've paid almost a year ago or more!

So people get upset if I slagged on Fleecy a bit? Obviously those people never had intentions of getting a new Amiga so they can't possibly understand the amount of frustration of being lied to... or the possibility that some are going through right now that they've been ripped off.

cheesegrater got called a moron tonite by a friend of mine on IRC. Someone who obviously overlooked a question cheesegrater came up with for Fleecy that I don't think ANYONE on AmigaWorld.net has the courage to ask Fleecy:

"Why was there no support for the party pack? "

Yeah... that was a good one. Oh, but I guess all the people who didn't send money in and lost it, wouldn't think that a relevant question to ask eh?

You know what... me and this other guy... whoever he is.. have been called flamers and trolls... I don't think that's true. I think we're a pair of people who are "damn mad as hell!"

I for one would like Fleecy to freaking answer some of the tougher questions for once instead of being babied and constantly given the red carpet treatment.

You people who disagree either want an Operating System that works or a Celeberty to drool over... how about making your choice and be done with it?
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 66 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by MuLTiViEW on 16-Mar-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Don Cox):
Heh... yeah.. maybe it does take a long time to get an OS ready ....

but.. point was still missed?? Fleecy was bragging about a calculator program.. holy smokes!

That's it? That's all we got to look forward to? No new browser like I do recall was promised? So the only way to surf the net with the new OS will be to "emulate" the OS we already use on the miggy right? Oh hell.. why even upgrade when we can use the real thing?

Sad sad sad sad. As for the thread being pointless... I don't believe that. If it's so pointless to Slim, why do you read it still? :)

No there's lots to be learned from this thread. LOTS. I only await Fleecy's response.

Anytime now...

(glances at watch)

...surely he'll respond.. any minute now....
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 67 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 16-Mar-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (DaveP):
@DaveP

I was commenting on the general feel of the thread (and to some extent on the
community forums in general), not on individual posts.
.
SlimJim
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 68 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 16-Mar-2003 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (MuLTiViEW):
@Multiview

You actually seem to be getting more coherent for every post. Are you cooling down
perhaps?
.
SlimJim
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 69 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-Mar-2003 10:53 GMT
I know it's ok to give stupid anwers to stupid questions, but still...
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 70 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 16-Mar-2003 10:56 GMT
Don't manage to find the d-n answers
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 71 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Mar-2003 11:33 GMT
@SlimJim

OK, well heres my take. The reason that this thread is utterly useless is because the art of starting a debate in a respectful adult manner has been
pretty much lost on the internet.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 72 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Mar-2003 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (MuLTiViEW):
"So people get upset if I slagged on Fleecy a bit? Obviously those people never had intentions of getting a new Amiga so they can't possibly understand the amount of frustration of being lied to... or the possibility that some are going through right now that they've been ripped off. "

Au contraire Mr Generalisation. I have 1400UKP down in Eyetech on AmigaONE and related hardware. I have had money down before and have bought the partypack and the DE ( four copies for different machines that a certain group was using ).

So, not so obvious eh?
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 73 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 16-Mar-2003 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (DaveP):
@DaveP

> OK, well heres my take. The reason that this thread is utterly useless is because
> the art of starting a debate in a respectful adult manner has been
> pretty much lost on the internet.

Well put. What I've been trying to say in my own,perhaps too long-winded way :-)
.
SlimJim
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 74 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Mar-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (MuLTiViEW):
I wish your first post had been written like this one.

Critical commentary is ruined if you use rude names and bad language. You will simply be written off as an orc, and ignored.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 75 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 16-Mar-2003 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (SlimJim):
@DaveP
@SlimJim

I'm not so sure you guys are right. This news item has been crossposted to just about all amiga sites by now. They too, have a comments section. Take a look how the discussion has developed there, and compare.
I don't think that the ability to reason and discuss something has been lost on the internet. No, I think that at times, people just don't want to do it.
They want a good fight, some slagging and dropping a few comments here and there is a good way to start it off. This is ofcourse not how it is all the time, I'm not saying that.

cause, if the ability to discuss things in a normal, proper way on internet, what are we doing now? :)
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 76 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 16-Mar-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (reflect):
@reflect

Argh, you are of course right in principle - we fell into the pit of over-generalization.

But hopefully you got our sentiment at least. :-)
.
SlimJim
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 77 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-Mar-2003 12:39 GMT
Fleecy was asked 10 questions and gave 10 answers. They were answered clearly. He stated, there was information he couldn't reveal.

He highlighted one particular, exceptional component. This is ONE of MANY.

I was disappointed to hear about AREXX not being available. So many programs made good use of it.

Same goes for OCS/ECS/AGA not being available "out of the box"; at least down the road "someone" could do it (Hyperion made a way for it to be possible (to a high degree of accuracy/easier?)).

I was disappointed that they wasted their time with qnx and linux (a few years ago). AOS IS an OS. I didn't think they should have gotten involved with that, at all.

They took too many wrong turns, as everyone does.

We've been waiting the equivalent of forever in "computer evolution" time and eternity in CPU time. It's a lot of time, anyway.

Their budget is too limited to call the shots as they wish they could.

There are masses of users out there who still don't know of the AmigaOne, and its' seemingly motionless status. They're not concerned about the shennaigans of our delays and flame-athons. We're the ones sitting on pins and needles, anxious to a point of medical danger. So to them it will seem like NO time has gone by, so it's all relative?

I have used other os's, and they are not "user" os's*. You're not in the driver's seat, they take YOU for a ride. That's the reason I am compelled to wait it out for AOS4.0. Everyone who's used Amigas can understand what that means.

The people for who the mental strain is too much, who just can't wait, are free to leave, but, can remain comfortable in the knowledge that there is someone there working and speaking on their behalf, and financially, bearing the burden (I'm buying One costly motherboard), so that you could one day come back and see that it WAS worth it.

I can understand you for losing hope and walking, but I also know it IS coming!!!

Call me obsessed, but I'm following my dream, are you???

When it's available (soon now), I most wholeheartedly, wish that you would be willing to return to what was an experience, like no other! :DD

AmigaOne! As long as it takes!!!


* (linux, I suppose, is, but the common person can't get it running. I had a hard enough time getting "easy" w98se going, so I'm not going to look into it. I HATE winblows.)
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 78 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-Mar-2003 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Hooligan/DCS):
> I have never programmed an operating system, I
> wouldn't know how long it takes to create one.
> Have you?

I commented on an article someone referred to on Amiga.Org. The article said 300 people worked on the x-bux for 2 to 3 YEARS, WITH support from the TOP!!!! A $350 billion dollar corp!

I wouldn't trust ms to program my VCR (and I'm talking about setting it to record a program!!!!!)

THEY ARE F^@&%N USELESSSS!

AmigaOne! As long as it takes!!!
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 79 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-Mar-2003 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Atheist2):
>I was disappointed to hear about AREXX not being available. So many programs made good use of it.

It is available.
"The existing 68k ARexx binary will thus be emulated."
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 80 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-Mar-2003 13:18 GMT
Body and Soul
(A Tale of Two Gods)

You have hardware and software. The hardware can change, but it's what's (really) inside that counts.

MOS has the great body ($299), but Moss has the soul (priceless).

The reason I chose Moss over MOS is because it is based on the original source code, the "soul".

I *am* the spellbound follower of that beauty which I understand, and am not concerned about others' incomprehension of what they see.

AmigaOne! A bouncing Boing ball gathers no mos!
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 81 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 16-Mar-2003 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Atheist2):
> MOS has the great body ($299), but Moss has the soul (priceless).

> The reason I chose Moss over MOS is because it is based on the original source
> code, the "soul".

> I *am* the spellbound follower of that beauty which I understand, and am not
> concerned about others' incomprehension of what they see.

... That's over the top in the OTHER direction :-/ You are the diametric opposite of Multiview ...!
.
SlimJim
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 82 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-Mar-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Atheist2):
> * (linux, I suppose, is, but the common person can't get it running. I had a
> hard enough time getting "easy" w98se going, so I'm not going to look into it. > I HATE winblows.)

Try RedHat 7.3 or 8.0. If you can't get that running, something is VERY wrong. I made the jump from Amiga to RedHat 6.1 and it was a struggle. With each new release of RedHat, it's ease of install has gotten rediculously easy. With Nautilus slowly being perfected and expanded, it's damn near Machead level ease of use.

Dammy
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 83 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 16-Mar-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (MuLTiViEW):
agree , some people just have to bring in the os4/mos fight (even when it havent been brought up), stupid stuff ...
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 84 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Mar-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (reflect):
"I'm not so sure you guys are right. This news item has been crossposted to just about all amiga sites by now. They too, have a comments section. Take a look how the discussion has developed there, and compare.
I don't think that the ability to reason and discuss something has been lost on the internet. No, I think that at times, people just don't want to do it.
They want a good fight, some slagging and dropping a few comments here and there is a good way to start it off. This is ofcourse not how it is all the time, I'm not saying that."

Sure, a good yelling match is fun. But I think this guy wanted to get a response from fleecy, and that style guarantees that he won't.

You will never see fleecy insulting people or using bad language in a forum. He is an intelligent guy and responds to intelligent discussion, and even to criticism.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 85 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by szutoman on 16-Mar-2003 15:02 GMT
What I have learned from thi thread is nothing, except that if you want to insult, slander and bash people this is the place to come and do it. I hope that this year next time things will be different and positive in the market and all those who LOVE to fight will start a site soley intended for that purpose and will leave such grbage off of the sites that amiga and moss people come for news.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 86 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 16-Mar-2003 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
Yes, those would of been appropriate (worded more tactfully of course), many people would like to hear about their intentions to follow through on their past promises, rather then hear more false promises.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 87 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Bridgekeeper on 16-Mar-2003 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
Huh? I... I don't know that!
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 88 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by AlBolone on 16-Mar-2003 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (cheesegrate):
"Why are you guys a bunch of incompentent dot com clowns?"

*LOL* ... I vote for that question to be asked to Fleecy next time!!! It might be not diplomatic at all, but that's actually the only question I have left for Amiga, Inc. after 3 years of their "work" ... every other question will not be relevant, since there can no answer of value be expected, sorry!
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 89 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by MuLTiViEW on 16-Mar-2003 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Atheist2):
hehehe... Atheist2 rulez
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 90 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by MuLTiViEW on 16-Mar-2003 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (SlimJim):
Yeah but Atheist is being positive about the whole Moss... erm.. I mean mess. ;)
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 91 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 16-Mar-2003 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Don Cox):
>But this is much clearer now than it was 4 years ago.

Maybe to YOU! It was clear to me from the very beginning that this DE crap had absolutely nothing to do with the Amiga.

*eyes rolling*
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 92 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 16-Mar-2003 20:45 GMT
> the new WWW, which means Whatever, Wherever, Whenever.

Of course there's a new browser, one for this particular WWW ;-)
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 93 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 16-Mar-2003 20:55 GMT
I really don't understand this. No matter who took over, they would eventually add more technology of some sort. It's called progressing(if you believe DE to be that) and the PC and Mac world has been doing that for as long as they have existed. The X-Box is an obvious example. Sure it doesn't sit on a desktop, but it's part of the MS product strategy. *shrugs*

>Maybe to YOU! It was clear to me from the very beginning that this DE crap had absolutely nothing to do with the Amiga.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 94 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2003 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Don Cox):
>I think the questions that are easy to answer will be selected each week.

I think that's a comment that you could have avoided, Don. I find that offensive. Questions are chosen by the editors of AW.net not Fleecy. Give them some credit please.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 95 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2003 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Hooligan/DCS):
@Hooligan

Sorry for the aggressivness, I was just saying that I agreed with someone else's post and I added a few words of my own.
I do believe in what I said though, it's useless at this point to believe that there are not two factions on this (whatever is left) community. I don't think there's anyone who has more sympathy for this or that company. I'd like to see too the end of flame wars, but hey... that has to start with those 4, 5 individuals stopping throwing mud at Amiga/MOS in each thread (especially Amiga). I'll be honest to say I go for Amiga, but one cannot even enjoy having a dedicated site (AW.net) that a bunch of bozos have to cut the throat of those who want just Amiga news. I'm not interested in MOS for a dozen reasons, but I don't go post crap on the MOS websites (just like I don't post crap on Windows, Apple, etc. websites).
Anyway, I enjoy reading your posts on AW.net
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 96 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2003 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (MuLTiViEW):
@Multiview
I think this comment of yours was much more intelligent and interesting than the previous ones. It does raise some valid points, so, thank you for it.
I agree with your reasoning about IE, let's say... 99% ;-)
One point that you forget is name recognition, if Amiga wants to market their OS to a wider audience (if all goes as we all wish one day it will happen) they need SW that is easily recognizable. IE is one of that. Would be nice to have Photoshop, but would that mean the end of Photogenics? What about Director? Etc. see, where I'm going.

About firing Fleecy, he's co-owner and CTO. Sorry, can't happen. Plus, he did some good to the company. Slagging him for saying that his company is "small" IMHO is a bit over the edge. I actually appreciate his honesty and his being realistic. Amiga IS small and unimportant right now.

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Now, I wrote a long post in reply to your comment. IE didn't send the page, I got an error, when I click back all the text was lost, sorry, I don't feel to type everything again. Maybe it's a sign ;-)
I do hope to read more posts like that one from you though.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 97 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2003 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
I forgot... please ask that question yourself on AW.net, if it doesn't get answered ask again until it does. Don't be so quick to say that people on AW.net didn't have the courage to ask it. Maybe they didn't think about it, I know I didn't
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 98 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga user (not blind) on 16-Mar-2003 22:22 GMT
Amigaworld is a insult to all Amiga websites out there, there is no need for a site which makes the users look like blind fools, any respectable software company would look at that site and find it to be full of nuts who are blind.

What can you expect a site to be like when you have got Admins like MikeB and DaveyD.

Sad
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 99 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-Mar-2003 22:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (SlimJim):
Hello SlimJim,

Touche!

AmigaOne! "We will sell no w(h)ine* before its' time," says Amy, the mascot.

P.S. I think I've used up my best stuff. :(
P.S. 2, I had one more line, but it WAS over the top.
Ten Answers with Fleecy Moss! : Comment 100 of 155ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-Mar-2003 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
Hello Anoymous (151.203.121.39),

> Now, I wrote a long post in reply to your comment. IE didn't
> send the page, I got an error, when I click back all the text
> was lost, sorry, I don't feel to type everything again. Maybe
> it's a sign ;-)
> I do hope to read more posts like that one from you though.

It's a sign allright;

bg spyware* or IE rubbish. Heh, heh.

* Keyword="AMIGA"; Gosub INTERFERENCE

We should look at all the features of IE, Mozilla, Opera, etc. and the good ones should be incorporated into Voyager, IBrose, or Aweb.

I agree with Hooligan/DCS, about ALL of their stuff being bloatware. It's useless drivel. I have a ram disk program (w98se), it's 114K, plus needs access to a DLL that is 1.3 megs in size! BS!

AmigaOne! and Mos!; "Lean, mean, fighting machines!!!"
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