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Posted on 01-Jul-2003 09:56 GMT by Lando (Edited on 2003-07-02 08:45:15 GMT by Christian Kemp)213 comments
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The July Edition of the [..] online newsletter for Club Amiga members has been released and is available to club members at http://os.amiga.com/cam. All in all it makes very interesting reading.

Highlights include the latest update on OS4 from Hyperion's Ben Hermans, Fleecy's regular editorial (which is amusing as ever), and the experiences of an AmigaOne XE owner and an AmigaDE developer.

July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 1 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 08:39 GMT
The editorial was an interesting read, though I'm not sure wether it was written by Fleecy or not. However, where's the "amusing" part? Did someone crack a joke?

BTW, you forgot to mention the "Shared Libraries in OS 4" article
by Hans-Jrg Frieden. Definitly an interesting read for those planning to develop for AmigaOS4. =)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 2 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Samface):
If amiga inc was intrested in getting developers they would give away information like that for free, i belive all this news letter crap is there because they can't even get those t-shirts out to you guys.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 3 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Jason on 01-Jul-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Hagge):
Any company what has something interesting/important to say would tell the world without charging for some information, but as Amiga Inc is NOT a professional company they have to screw the users with scams.

Amiga Inc - so the world may know nothing until you pay us $50.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 4 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Hagge):
Sigh... When are are you going to realize that Amiga Inc. isn't some kind of charity organization for cheap Amiga users? They are a company offering you a service; buy it if you want it, otherwise just don't. It's as simple as that, really. Stop whining.

Furthermore, the information in the CAM is not in anyway a neccessity for using their product, it's just a bonus for those interested. You see, if you have an interest in their product that goes beyond the scope of using it, then you join the club like all the other AmigaOS fans. Their simply is no reason for why they should be obliged to provide *all* of their customers with this "behind the scenes" information for free.

No, we didn't pay those $50 for just a bloody t-shirt. The t-shirt was just an offer in addition to the primary; the Amiga Club memebership. Yes, they have problems with distribution of those t-shirts, but that's hardly the end of the world nor proof of some kind of evil conspiracy, now is it?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 5 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Jason):
AGAIN, the information in the CAM is not in anyway a neccessity for marketing, selling, using, nor supporting their products. The information is more like reflections on the future from company executives, interviews with developers, presentations of different user groups, etc. In other words; only interesting for their true fans rather than people just wanting to buy their products.

There really is nothing odd about charging a fee for joining a club and getting "behind the scenes" information about a product in addition to the actual product. Stop whining and grow up, will ya?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 6 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Samface):
> No, we didn't pay those $50 for just a bloody t-shirt. The t-shirt was just an offer in addition to the primary; the Amiga Club memebership.

That wasn't the original deal.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 7 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Sodapop on 01-Jul-2003 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Oh no, not again...
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 8 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
The original deal was based on the idea of giving their fans the ability to support their cause through purchasing $50 AmigaOS4/AmigaOne rebate coupons. The t-shirt was still only a matter of an additional offer.

Apparently there were legal issues with this so instead they formed the Club Amiga.

Your point beeing???
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 9 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 01-Jul-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Samface):
This is about features/enhancements found in OS4, isn't it ?
Stuff that could be usefull for someone thinking about coding for OS4, or not ?
New SW is needed like nothing else, to make OS4 a succes, or what ?

Somehow I think that spreading those infos as wide and soon as possible would
be a good idea, but I'm sure I can't be right, cos there is no ways that AInc
would make such a mistake, or ?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 10 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Samface):
My point being that you have no idea if particular person joined before of after the offer changed. If joined before, they are entitled for the stuff they were offered at that time.

Has AInc delivered anything? Anyone got their $50 back from their AmigaONE? Anyone got their T-Shirt?

Thought so.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 11 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 01-Jul-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Hagge):
Posted by Hagge (195.100.126.10) on 01-Jul-2003 11:11:06In Reply to Comment 1:

> If amiga inc was intrested in getting developers they would give away
> information like that for free, i belive all this news letter crap is there
> because they can't even get those t-shirts out to you guys.

If they did that, how are they going to pay Ray? Oh that's right, they can't even do that, legally. The reason they are demanding $50 from suckers are, uhm, guess we can't know because of NDA to skirt the law. ;)

Dammy
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 12 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Kronos):
No, the information required for developing for AmigaOS4 will be in the AmigaOS4 development kit. The CAM might give you a few hints about how it will work and so forth but nothing actually useful. Like I said; it's like a "behind the scenes" magazine for their fans.

Furthermore, even if it would contain information that would be useful for AmigaOS4 developers, the AmigaOS4 is still not finished and changes in it's features may still occur. Just rest assured that everything anyone would ever want to know about AmigaOS4 for both using it and developing for it will be available once the time is right, ok?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 13 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Samface):
Spamface, your comment #12 DIRECTLY contradicts your comment #1.

So which is it? Does the CAM contain something of inteerest to those planning to develop for AOS4, or doesn't it?

You can't have it both ways...
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 14 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Vexar on 01-Jul-2003 12:46 GMT
For those who fear that the legal dissolution of Amiga, Inc. plus the replacement of Bill McEwen as CEO will put an end to the Club Amiga (no affiliation with various escort services in Latin America, I am sure), fear not!

Let us turn to the Bible for examples of how the message will persist. The Apostle Paul wrote many letters while in prison, thus keeping the faith for the early Christian Church. Even under extreme duress, Paul was able to keep the various churches enthusiastic, keep them on track with God's will, and he kept the momentum going.

I see no reason why the savior of the Amiga could not do at least as much for his followers, as his fervent commitment to the believers is quite strong. One could even view the $50 as a willful tithing equivalent.

I see strong parallels between the abuse of faithful Amiga users and the millennia of verbal and otherwise abuse of Christians. However, with Bill McEwen, unlike the Saint Paul, I see a change in tactics, broken and empty promises, fraud, non-payment of debts, deceit, manipulation, Clintonesque denials, and a shattered leadership with no ambition beyond the usual self-serving focus of any cult.

-Vexar (the original; no relation to fencing material or pudding pops)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 15 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 01-Jul-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Vexar):
nice one ;) will we see an evolution in the amiga inc worshipers cult into more of a heavens gate mentality. ;)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 16 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 01-Jul-2003 12:51 GMT
You know what Amiga Inc. should do, they should give some company a license to produce T-Shirts with the Boing Ball on it, just the Boing Ball. In the UK (and I'm sure loads of people will back me up here) there are loads of people with Atari, Transformers and loads of other retro logos. That'd generate some revenue.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 17 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 01-Jul-2003 12:51 GMT
What's the point of posting this to ANN as a news item?
It's only a available to a limited number of people which already know about it being available.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 18 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Jul-2003 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (darklite):
IMHO it's just another blamebait. Nothing else.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 19 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
If you have any legal concerns regarding the $50 Club Amiga memberships, try contacting Amiga Inc. themselves or the National Board for Consumer Policies. Your speculations in here and/or any prejudgemental conclusions based on those speculations are not helping anyone.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 20 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Samface):
I was merely pointing out that:
"No, we didn't pay those $50 for just a bloody t-shirt. The t-shirt was just an offer in addition to the primary; the Amiga Club memebership."

...is not true for everyone.

Some people joined in when the $50 was for something else, before all this twisting to get it legal.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 21 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
Of interest != required

If you're interested in developing for the AmigaOS4, you will find the information interesting, but not something you can make use of right now. Regardless, the AmigaOS4 development kit will tell you everything you ever need to know as an AmigaOS4 developer.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 22 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Anyone interested in a refund due to the change of terms for the $50 offer should contact Amiga Inc. Fair enough?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 23 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (dammy):
Demanding? Suckers?

1. It was an *offer*, do you know what that means? No, it doesn't mean that they are demanding anything.

2. Thank you for insulting more than 1,000 Amiga users by calling them "suckers".
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 24 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Samface):
> Sigh... When are are you going to realize that Amiga Inc. isn't some kind of charity organization for cheap Amiga users? They are a company offering you a service; buy it if you want it, otherwise just don't. It's as simple as that, really. Stop whining.

rotfl, i'm the costumer, they should try to get me intrested in their product, they doesn't succed.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 25 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Samface):
> No, we didn't pay those $50 for just a bloody t-shirt. The t-shirt was just an offer in addition to the primary; the Amiga Club memebership. Yes, they have problems with distribution of those t-shirts, but that's hardly the end of the world nor proof of some kind of evil conspiracy, now is it?

Uhm, i thought you paid it to get the amigaone or amigaos4 cheaper and a t-shirt? was there anything even called the amiga club back then?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 26 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 01-Jul-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Samface):
> No, the information required for developing for AmigaOS4 will be in the AmigaOS4 development kit. The CAM might give you a few hints about how it will work and so forth but nothing actually useful. Like I said; it's like a "behind the scenes" magazine for their fans.

Who would belive they would release anything useful? ;)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 27 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 01-Jul-2003 14:02 GMT
This CAM fiasco was only released because Amiga Inc was breaking the law and they knew it, simple to understand and it is a shame to see yet the same Amiga Inc defender trying to cover up Amiga Incs illegal goings on.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 28 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hagge):
Their product is not available for purchase yet and therefore they have not initiated the AmigaOS4 sales campaign yet. Why would they? The Club Amiga is for those who has such an eager interest in the Amiga that they are anxious to know about the work in progress on future products. Those of you who don't have this eager interest simply isn't a part of the target group for the Club Amiga. It's as simple as that, really.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 29 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Frank):
See comment #19.

I hate repeating myself.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 30 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 01-Jul-2003 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Hagge):
See comment #22.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 31 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Samface):
Been there, done that, heard NOTHING back.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 32 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Not a Amiga Inc fan or worshipper on 01-Jul-2003 14:15 GMT
Stop the worshipping, Amiga Inc has no money whatsover and that is clearly why they are charging fellow Amigans for information, if they did have a dime to their name they would give the info for free.

But on a bright side you can download the cams anyway from various places, i have been reading the CAM since it started and not payed the $50 scam fee :o)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 33 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Samface):
" If you're interested in developing for the AmigaOS4, you will find the information interesting"

Yeah, but only if you paid AIn'c their $50 FanClub fee - how many other companies try to interest developers in developing for their products by charging $50 just to be able to find out what's happening (NOT for an SDK etc, but just to hear vague talk of thinks that might make it into the release)?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 34 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Samface):
> 2. Thank you for insulting more than 1,000 Amiga users by calling them "suckers".

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 35 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 01-Jul-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Samface):
> they have not initiated the AmigaOS4 sales campaign yet. Sales campaign? Sounds interesting. Werent there the earlybird promotion already? *cough* *cough*
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 36 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Nomad of Norad on 01-Jul-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
> If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck.

I'm still expecting this duckling to grow up into a beautiful swan and fly gracefully up into the sky... :-)

NoN
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 37 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (itix):
The $50 that some gullible/unknowing people loaned ainc was to be repayed when buying an "AmigaOne" or AmigaOS4 (for CSPPC Amigas). The marketing material ("CAM", t-shirts) and the corporate fanclub memberships are merely "interest" on these loans (there initially was a raffle included in the "interest" as well, with utterly unrealistic prizes and prerequisites, but that was illegal).

Has anybody who bought a Teron through Eyetech gotten his $50 back yet (from ainc, as Eyetech/dealers won't honor ainc's silly promises)? After all, Eyetech has been selling Terons under the "AmigaOne" trademark for quite some time by now, and ainc has repeatedly referred to the current availability and sales of "AmigaOnes".


BTW, is Samface for real, or just some sort of a parody?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 38 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 01-Jul-2003 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Samface):
>Their product is not available for purchase yet and therefore they have not >initiated the AmigaOS4 sales campaign yet. Why would they? The Club Amiga is >for those who has such an eager interest in the Amiga th...

Samface, do me a favor here and answer the following questions:

1) Was the $50 deal a ticket to membership to the Amiga Club from day one or not?

2) Have Amiga Inc failed to deliver T-shirts to all the members of the Amiga Club as promised or not?

3) Do you still expect Amiga Inc. to deliver anything of what they have announced/promised? Personally, I find it very hard to believe, as they have proven over the years that they are dangerously incompetent or a bunch of evil criminals taking advantage of a sorry 'community'. And I'm sorry to say I'm pretty sure it's not the latter.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 39 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 01-Jul-2003 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Vexar):
ROFLMAO
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 40 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 01-Jul-2003 15:21 GMT
$50 is not that big of a deal.
Why do people (especially anonymous people) feel the constant need to
speak for me and many others who are not complaining at all about not having received a t-shirt (yet)?
Really, if I wasn't happy with what Amiga is offering me for my $50 I'd say so.
Since OS4 isn't here yet, I have had no reason to be worried about having it refunded. If I don't get my $50 AFTER all the items are on sale and I've bought them THATS when I'd start complaining and THATS when I'd even appreciate anonymous trolls to speak for me, thank you very much.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 41 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 01-Jul-2003 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Samface):
Your revisionist view of the events is quite amusing, please stop, your embarrassing yourself.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 42 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 01-Jul-2003 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Rik Sweeney):
>You know what Amiga Inc. should do, they should give some company a license to produce T-Shirts with the Boing Ball on it, just the Boing Ball. In the UK (and I'm sure loads of people will back me up here) there are loads of people with Atari, Transformers and loads of other retro logos. That'd generate some revenue.Come on ;)Don't you think that if Amiga,Inc. had the MONEY and the INTENTION to give the T-Shirts they PROMISED they would have done itsince AGES ?Lo.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 43 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Frans):
Good. Want to send me $50? And my friend wants $50 too, I am sure.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 44 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Vexar on 01-Jul-2003 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Nomad of Norad):
Ah yes, a holy ascension would be rather fitting. That is the promise isn't it? The Ascension of the Amiga into a healthy, stable marketplace, the life after death, that's what we all want, isn't it?

To quote the prophet Isaiah: "we shall rise up on the wings of eagles!"

Christ was in the tomb for 3 days. The Amiga has been entombed since about 1994, give or take. The believers did not have to wait long to receive their promise. I would therefore argue that the closest Amiga followers have a greater belief in the ultimate return of the Amiga than the untold millions of nominal Christians believe in their own salvation.

It is argued that one with faith as small as a surface-mount resistor can move mountains, however, faith without works is empty and meaningless.

The true fault of Amiga worship is just that. No leader has arisen amongst your ranks to bring the Amiga to the forefront. You are like the Church in Sardis: you claim life, but are in fact quite dead in spirit. If you do nothing, you will not see the promise of the ascension of the Amiga.

The works of man are soiled by his imperfection, especially so with computers. I look upon the classic Amiga as a least-soiled system for its day, long gone.
The error of MacOS: foolishness
The error of Linux: excess dogma
The error of Windows: plurality, gluttony
The error of Amiga: dead or dying in spirit

-- Vexar (the original, reject all substitutes)
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 45 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
I'll give your $50 back soon and another $50 t-shirt, too! (...as soon as X or Y products are ready and shipping).

Oh wait, lets make that lifetime membership in my fan club + t-shirt.

Oh wait, forget the t-shirt, have this bi-yearly magazine instead.

Oh forget the $50 too, I'll keep that since X *AND* Y are not released. X is released by now and I market it anyway.

I don't give my phone number or address. Send your complaints to this PO Box 1234.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 46 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 01-Jul-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Kronos):
> This is about features/enhancements found in OS4, isn't it ?
> Stuff that could be usefull for someone thinking about coding for OS4, or not ?

Yes and yes, but CAM is not only about OS4 but the whole platform (AmigaOne,
OS4, DE, developers, dealers, users).

> New SW is needed like nothing else, to make OS4 a succes, or what ?

Which is true for every single OS except Windows and maybe MacOS. Even MOS..

> Somehow I think that spreading those infos as wide and soon as possible would
> be a good idea, but I'm sure I can't be right, cos there is no ways that AInc
> would make such a mistake, or ?

"I've got a surprise for you"(c). Up to now every article containing details
about inner workings of OS4 has been released to the public. Just one month
late, although that may not fit to _your_ definition of AWASAP.. So no, there
is no way that AInc. is doing this wrong.., is it (paying members get
information beforehand) ? ;-)

OTOH if you don't read anything written by Fleecy or Ben Hermans to not get
under their voodoo or are not interested in anything AmigaDE (actually
developers liking to code for and envisinoing future potential, strange.. ;-/ )
or reports from dealers, users, usergroups. then CAM is not for you,

Just to get things straight.

Ciao, Alex
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 47 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 01-Jul-2003 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Samface):
> In Reply to Comment 11:
> Demanding? Suckers?

Yup, they demand $50 to get their newsletter with superduper secret, do not share this with anyone, dribble. Who would pay $50 for this club? Guess a sucker would, but not too many others would bother in a morally bankrupted, if not financially bankrupted company.

> 1. It was an *offer*, do you know what that means? No, it doesn't mean that
> they are demanding anything.

Why do they demand it be kept with club members only? That is not a hidden demand for $50 for their pearls of cra^H^Hwisdom?

> 2. Thank you for insulting more than 1,000 Amiga users by calling them
> "suckers".

I was being nice. Supporting a morally bankrupt company that may have broken state and federals laws should be labeled something far worse. "Suckers" is as mild of a label that I can think of for them.

So what are you doing to save Bill's house from being foreclosed on? I know, sell some T-Shirts for $50!

Dammy
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 48 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jul-2003 16:52 GMT
[quote]rotfl, i'm the costumer, they should try to get me intrested in their product, they doesn't succed.[/quote]

Ah yes ... BUT ..Your not the sort of customer they want !!
ROTFPML

Regarding the CAM.....

Wow, you lot show your jealousy at not getting it BIG STYLE !!

btw .... YES .. Its real good !!

Thanks to Hans for the indepth look.
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 49 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Madgun68 on 01-Jul-2003 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Samface):
Samface.. You're so full of bs.

First of all, any other company in business uses PRODUCT INFORMATION to inform potential customers of their product's features. It's not about a "neccessity for using their product."

Companies don't go around saying things like "Well, our video cards do 2D and 3D. If you're interested in the product beyond the scope of using it, give us $50 and we'll inform you of additional features each month along with filler material."

The less information you give a market, the fewer buyers you have. Simple. What makes this market so different is Amiga Inc. knows damned well that this community is so hard up to make the OS succeed that they're willing to do just about anything to see this accomplished.

Case in point is the current price of admission in to the "club." $50 for a year. For less than that, I can purchase a years subscription to a magazine that covers the console of my choice. That's material in PRINT with a CD.

And stop saying "WE" in regards to the shirts. I damned well do remember people saying they paid for the coupon specifically for that shirt. They wanted to wear it and show their support of the Amiga. Of course, these people no longer exist. At some point, they were replaced by people who didn't expect anything at all and would gladly "donate" again if it helped out the Amiga.

Do you realise how sad all this makes the community look to an outsider?
July Edition of Club Amiga Monthly released : Comment 50 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by %00 on 01-Jul-2003 17:21 GMT
Lando posting flamebait against Amiga Inc?
Now that's not at all predictable is it?! ;-)

To anybody incharge of channel morphos on irc.vapor.com:
How about adding a !CAM command as well as the !fleecy command that's already It might keep you all happy and possibly stop these deliberate posts.

Or an even better idea...

You all think MorphOS and Pegasos is better than OS4 and AmigaONE so why not carry on enjoying your OS and doing productive stuff than bringing up Amiga Inc's obvious short comings time and time again? I mean if OS4 is so inferior then you've got nothing to worry about, right?

Ian :-)
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