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Posted on 11-Jul-2003 22:25 GMT by d.k66 comments
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AmiWest banquet speakers have been confirmed. Past years we have seen Amiga Inc. representatives, but this time a panel of community notables will speak: Bill Buck of Genesi, Kurt Grach of Mr. Hardware, Jens Schoenfeld of Individual Computers and Kermit Woodall of ImageFX fame will moderate. One other participant remains, who will participate if the airplane lands in time.
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Posted by Stew on 11-Jul-2003 20:46 GMT
One other participant remains, who will participate if the airplane lands in time.



I wonder who this is? I bet the plane doesn't land in time!
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Posted by Darth_X on 11-Jul-2003 21:40 GMT
I wish I could attend amiwest, but I'd literally have to quit my current job (which honestly I would love to do at this point) because I don't think I will be able to book time off to attend.

I sure hope there will be more shows like this in Sept/Oct with banquets.. I'll hopefully be able to do a better job getting time off to attend... ;-)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-Jul-2003 22:00 GMT
I am sure the plane is on schedule...
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 4 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2003 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (hooligan/dcs):
just so long as it is not rockin'. That would make it a right bugger to land!



Hey, do you think this final surprise guest will ask the court to process the case against him quickly so he can make it to the banquet on time?
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 5 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 11-Jul-2003 22:31 GMT
Nice lineup of interesting people! The only missing part would be Ben Hermans. Is he the one on the plane?
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 6 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 12-Jul-2003 04:34 GMT
If its a transatlantic flight then you are currently looking up to at an hour and a half at the other side of landing as an EU citizen in a US main airport to get processed and out. So I am not suprised that this rider was added.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 7 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 12-Jul-2003 06:29 GMT
I have an idea about who is arriving on the airplane...
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 8 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 12-Jul-2003 06:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (DaveP):
Ben Hermans or Alan Redhouse would be good. We'd get an update on either OS4's progress or the new AmigaOne, and both would be flying in from Europe.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 9 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 12-Jul-2003 07:20 GMT
Just posted this information on MorphOS-News...

Raquel and I are looking forward to being there along with the entire Genesi-USA team. We will be flying direct from Paris to LA with a connection to Sacramento the same day.

We may be a bit tired, but we will be there! :-D

We will also have an AmiWest ONLY Superbundle First Edition CD-package that we will be giving away to all Pegasos owners that turn out for the Show. Simultaneously, the SuperBundle will be available *at no cost* via FTP for all Pegasos owners, including Phoenix Phreeboard participants, beginning that weekend. We will be announcing our plans for the SuperBundle and the Pegasos II at the Show. Of course, we will have plenty of MorphOS T-Shirts to give away too...;-)

And, one more thing...we will have the 1Ghz G4 Pegasos there. Details on the G4 release will be posted to PegasosPPC on 15 July. MorphOS 1.4 will also be released in conjunction with the Show.

See you there!

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 10 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bbrv):
>We will be announcing our plans for the SuperBundle and the Pegasos II at the Show. Of course, we will have plenty of MorphOS T-Shirts to give away too...;-)
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 11 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 12-Jul-2003 09:28 GMT
That's an okay idea to have a panel of speakers. I don't know why we are going to play mystery guest on the late-arriving plane. It has all the signs of "jerk everybody around and fail to appear at the last minute citing unavoidable, unlucky circumstances but the best intentions."

I know that Jens has made all kinds of Amiga hardware for ages, and that BBRV's credentials speak for themselves in that they have fielded a new PPC computer, and that Kermit does the enduring ImageFX etc. and has hosted shows before, but what is Kurt Grach's major accomplishment(s)?
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 12 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 12-Jul-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Daniel Miller):
Hi Daniel

I assume they meant no harm...but I had the same reaction too 'mystery guest' too. Maybe in Marketing 101 this is a good idea. Maybe they just wanted really bad to announce something but were asked not too.

Regardless, this type of announcement has become very aggravating in this community! I felt it too. If they cannot announce something, SAY NOTHING.

I mean that as constructive criticism for anyone considering doing a partial announcement. I personally, probably others too, would rather you just said nothing.

No more "i've got a secret, but I'm not going to tell you, nanny nanny boo boo"
it's old.

Finally, to the person who announced the mystery guest, you do know you have an absolute responsibility, after the show...to post to all the exact same places and make sure everyone knows who the guest is...
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 13 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 12-Jul-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (MarkTime):
Awww, MarkTime,

The guest panel is a pretty good "partial announcement" without any other "mystery guest" anyway. I look forward to seeing something a little more interesting than Yet Another Banquet Speaker, myself. Maybe that'll keep the fluff quotient low enough not to irritate my allergies ; }

Expect wild cards like me in the deck and on the deck ; }
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Posted by JoannaK on 12-Jul-2003 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (greenboy):
Well.. I have to say Amiwest looks interesting.. pitty though it's on another side of the world and thus can't attend.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 15 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2003 17:40 GMT
Heh, remember when Petro giving out Amiga merchandise was a bad thing. Semes like it depends WHO is doing stuff before it's judged like a bad or good idea.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2003 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
> Heh, remember when Petro giving out Amiga merchandise was a bad thing. Semes like it depends WHO is doing stuff before it's judged like a bad or good idea.

Petro's mistake was to hand out Amiga mousepads as a substitute for development. Genesi hands out merchandise to promote new hardware.
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Posted by Kermit Woodall on 12-Jul-2003 21:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Daniel Miller):
Kurt is the technical guy at Mr. Hardware Computers who are one of the US distributors for the AmigaOne. They are representing AmigaOne at the behest of Hyperion and Eyetech who could not personally make it to the show.

There's really no great mystery about the 'if the plane lands in time' guest. We invited Jeri Ellsworth to personally talk about her Commodore-One - but Jens reports that her plane may not arrive in time and since he is working with her on it, he can represent it for her.

As well as moderating I will also have some interesting news as well!

Kermit
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Posted by JoannaK on 13-Jul-2003 00:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Kermit Woodall):
Kermit: May I now make an assumption that those big talks (mainly delivered by Ray Akey) about AmigaInc CEO attending to Amiwest were not true afterall? Well, actually it's better this way, having someone who actually knows something about Amigas represent them.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 19 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 00:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (JoannaK):
Oh man, I'd forgotten about Bill's announced appearance. I guess the usual "concerned amiga users" will now have a lot to discuss...

* why McBill does not dare show his face in public
* he can't show up because he's in jail!
* where are those tshirts anyway?

etc...
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 13-Jul-2003 01:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Kermit Woodall):
Hot dog! If you have Jeri Elsworth, well that's a great convention right there. And it's even better if she brings the Commodore One! ;)

Jeri... va va voom!

I was not trying to criticize the convention by grousing about the mystery guest. I am sure it will be most excellent. Over on Amiga-News.de they are talking about it too. See you there!
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 21 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 13-Jul-2003 01:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Okay people, let's keep it positive and talk about the good stuff happening. We don't need to bring everybody's spirits down by going on with the old tired arguments and personal criticisms. Let's look to the future!
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 22 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 13-Jul-2003 07:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (JoannaK):
i dont get your logic. he can still attend you know without being a speaker.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 23 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 13-Jul-2003 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (derf):
Actually it was a question to Kermit, in case you haven't noticed. But personally I would consider it quite odd if CEO of AmigaInc be there and not being on the panel.

Anyway.. it's no more than curiosity to me.. Ainc has no real value/meaning anymore so their absense has not much effect to whatever happens.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 24 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 14:37 GMT
Perhaps the moderator can broach the topic of coopetition between the various camps. People keep repeatedly pleading with Genesis and Amiga to forge a better 'working' relationship to share technologies and stop bad mouthing one another in public forums.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 25 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 13-Jul-2003 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (anonymous):
The only way I can see for Genesi and Hyperion to work together is if Amiga Inc dies RSN. The idea of a computer and OS being created and tied together by three seperate companies was a real bad idea to begin with. If Hyperion is free to sell their work to whomever, then I can see a business relationship between Genesi and Hyperion, but not before.

Dammy
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (dammy):
Where have you been the last two years? Bill Buck does not want amigaos running on the pegasos, that would be a slap in the face for the morphos development team. He's also insulted ben hermans personally, calling him "just a legal clerk". If he does not respect the people involved, why would he want their os?
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 27 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
How many times did hermans or even the Friedens and häuser insulted people in public?
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 28 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
My point exactly, these people don't like each other. Getting them to work together on any project is just a pipedream.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 29 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 13-Jul-2003 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
>>>
Oh man, I'd forgotten about Bill's announced appearance. I guess the usual "concerned amiga users" will now have a lot to discuss...
* why McBill does not dare show his face in public
* he can't show up because he's in jail!
* where are those tshirts anyway?
>>>

Dont know why Bill's not going, though he does have court on that Friday as part of the suit with Matt, and he doesn't have any money according to letters he keeps writing, and he also has to avoid suboena's at the moment, but I am sure none of that has anything to do with why Bill is not attending Amiwest. I'm sure Gary or Fleecy or Ray is going instead right?? Oh yeah, they arent coming either. And don't worry Fleecy told everyone 6 months ago that all the issues with the T-Shirt were resolved and you'd be getting them real soon, its only 6 months since that time, real soon is alot longer then 6 months if you are Scottish, everyone knows that.
-Tig
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 30 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 17:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Tigger):
Q.E.D.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 31 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 13-Jul-2003 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
That is absolutely not true!

We do want OS4 runing on the Pegasos...IF it ever really runs on PPC!

We do not mean that badly, just factually.

...and please forgive us with all due respect -- Ben IS a legal clerk. He has a degree; it is true. BUT, he does NOT practice law. He works as an associate and as an assistant. Ben, alone, does NOT practice law.

Now....having said that, we think Ben, as a person is intelligent and enterprising.

We hope that OS4 is completed, because it should be evident now that its future is exclusively with the Pegasos.

We will welcome them.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 32 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (bbrv):
And I thought you'd turned over a new leaf Bill Buck, yet you go back to the insulting and snide tone that you used to use.

One point I do like to comment on:

>>because it should be evident now that its future is exclusively with the Pegasos.

Pray tell what you mean by this comment? That OS4 should exist on a motherboard with severe memory access problems, as opposed to the AmigaOne which works fine? (Although u'd love people to believe otherwise would you not?) Or do you mean the Peg2?
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 33 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 13-Jul-2003 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (bbrv):
How many factual inaccuracies can you cram into one e-mail?

1. OS 4 already runs on PPC.

2. I have not one but 4 degrees and a 5th on the way.

3. I do practise law.

4. The future is with Pegasos. I'm sure you don't mean the discontinued Pegasos I and as for the Pegasos II, bring it on.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 34 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hiraghm on 13-Jul-2003 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, will you guys please port OS4 to the C=1? :)
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 35 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 13-Jul-2003 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Please Ben, be honest with yourself first.

Thanks,
R&B
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 36 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 13-Jul-2003 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
When all you Anonymous cowards are ready to discuss things face to face, or at least carry on a responsible dialogue we will take you seriously. Until then what significance can anyone really place on your remarks...


The Trusted Community is coming!


:-D

R&B
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 37 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (bbrv):
Bill I will discuss things face to face with you when the time is ready. Give me a week to get the *INDEPENDANT* memory read/write figures together and all will be revealed...

Until then - happy Peg Pong! :)
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 38 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 13-Jul-2003 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (bbrv):
BBRV says:

> We hope that OS4 is completed, because it should be evident now that
> its future is exclusively with the Pegasos.

That remark will cause commotion among the usual suspects, but it is what I
was thinking myself just the other day. OS4 advocates, you really shouldn't
disrespect the Pegasos too much because it is quite likely that your dream
OS is going to end up running there, and you will end up owning one. And
it's not because Genesi is going to knuckle under and apply for an "OS4
license" (LOL!) it is because Hyperion and/or whoever are going to come to
their senses and realize it is the best business move for them. They can sell
their OS in a shrinkwrap box to the true believers and make good money and a
future doing so. They can sell it for $200, that's what E-Commerce Station
does (the descendant of OS/2 Warp).

But then it is really to early to be talking about this at all. Let them
actually release something that runs on a PPC-only computer, and then we'll
revisit it. The advance marketing campaign for OS4 has been running for more
than two years and it is getting ridiculous.

As for the tired allegations that Bill Buck insulted Ben Hermans that's just
bull again. I was a shipping clerk a few years ago. You think I would be
mortified and insulted if someone said "Daniel Miller is a shipping clerk?"
Heck no, it is just a factual statement. You think I tried to play myself
up then with a made-up title like "executive logistics coordinator?" No!
People need to get over themselves. There's nothing wrong with being a
frickin' clerk. This stuff really chaps my hide.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 39 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Ben is a jerk! on 13-Jul-2003 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
What PPC Ben? Something made by Phase V -- that we are repairing now with DCE for free?

Get life you little rut!

:-D

OK, let's rephase that...get a girlfriend!

Finish OS 4 and then, and ONLY then you can shoot your mouth off

Until then stay focused on your degrees and clerk duties!

TWIT!!!
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 40 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 13-Jul-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Daniel Miller):
There is nothing wrong with being a clerk.

On the other hand I'm not a legal clerk.

There are no private sector legal clerks in the Belgian judiciary system.

This is a typical American construct Bill picked up, probably when watching Alley Mcbeal.

Tell you what Bill: come September (*) I'll serve Thendic France in the Brussels commercial court.

The writ will have my name on it.

Maybe that will convince you.

(*) Can't do it before that as we are now in a period of judiciary holidays and only very urgent cases can be brought before a judge.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 41 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Ben is a jerk!):
Very witty bbrv.

81.64.0.10 = blv-netcache-02.noos.net

Aditional information on IP number 81.64.0.10
Top Level Domain FR
Country FRANCE
Flag
Capital Paris
Region Europe
Currency Euro
Population 59.551.227

Now where are you living now Mr Bill Buck?
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 42 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 13-Jul-2003 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>3. I do practise law.

Then better help companies next time when they introduce a product to the
European market again.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 43 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by More from Noos! on 13-Jul-2003 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Oh no! Mr. Bill!

Another September put up or shut up promise!

Study hard Ben and do it!!!

What will you do R&B??!!?? The evil Ben is after you!

OoooooH Noooooo Mr. Billlll!
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 44 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 13-Jul-2003 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> Tell you what Bill: come September (*) I'll serve Thendic France in the
> Brussels commercial court.

> The writ will have my name on it.

> Maybe that will convince you.

>(*) Can't do it before that as we are now in a period of judiciary holidays and > only very urgent cases can be brought before a judge.

So Ben, you do realize that if you don't follow through with this, you know what your going to look like? =)

Dammy
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 45 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 13-Jul-2003 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (dammy):
Quite so.

Which is exactly why I'll do it.

We'll resume this discussion in September, not before please.
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 46 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
(*) Can't do it before that as we are now in a period of judiciary holidays and only very urgent cases can be brought before a judge.

Ah, thats right - those wonderful Belgian Holidays. Or as seen from a foreigner living in Belgium the three months in the middle of the year where absolutly nothing gets done.....man I'm glad I don't live there anymore

FP
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 47 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Francois Prowse on 13-Jul-2003 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
(*) Can't do it before that as we are now in a period of judiciary holidays and only very urgent cases can be brought before a judge.

Ah, thats right - those wonderful Belgian Holidays. Or as seen from a foreigner living in Belgium the three months in the middle of the year where absolutly nothing gets done.....man I'm glad I don't live there anymore

FP
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 48 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Francois Prowse on 13-Jul-2003 22:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
In an attempt to clarify this can you please provide us with details of where you do work and what your title is?

I'm not meaning to create a flame fest here, but all this "tit for tat" has gone on for to long.

So...?

FP
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 49 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 22:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Get legal by September 1st or we shut you down, eh?
One year passed without action and nothing - only bigmouths on the AInc supporters´ side!!
Bill Buck and others to speak at AmiWest banquet : Comment 50 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Jul-2003 22:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
>Give me a week to get the *INDEPENDANT* memory read/write figures together and all will be revealed.

We had the Pegasos numbers for more than half a year now, only the AmigaOne side
doesn´t seem to willing in revealing their comparison numbers for G3-600/800 systems.
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