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Amiga Inc. started out a competition giving the chance to graphix artists to see their pics published on the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.0 cd.
Contribute now and let the world know where Eric Schwartz came from! ;-)
Amiga wants you! : Comment 1 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 15-Jul-2003 11:22 GMT
I hope the artists will be paid for having their work distributed as part of OS4. Isn't this simply another way for AInc to get something for nothing?

Or maybe I'm getting cynical in my old age...
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Posted by Waddehaddedudeda on 15-Jul-2003 11:25 GMT
>With the excitement growing over the upcoming release of
>AmigaOS4.0, the last pieces of the project are being put
>together. Amiga has always been about community, and in
>AmigaOS4.0, we want community to be well represented.

Somewhere sometimes I heard something similar .......



.....

oh now I remember, the famous lottery-scam last year
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Posted by MIKE on 15-Jul-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lando):
Why are they going to charge the artist to enter as well? That would be in keeping with their normal business practices, SDK -> $100 for the priviledge of writing software for them to resell, Lottery Thing -> $50 for the priviledge of paying their rent.
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Posted by Gregg on 15-Jul-2003 11:49 GMT
A suggestion to Amiga Inc. : Clear up the submission rules.

At http://os.amiga.com/community/index.php?cat=&doc=contrib :

"1. Submitters remain the sole owners of any submitted image, guarantee that submitted material is their own work and take full responsibility for any copyrights, trademarks, third party insignia or any other third party owned graphic image that they use."

but the very first submission shown here doesn't seem to follow that :

"Honda S2000 Lic Plates
Contributed By:
HMetal
Contributor's Comments:
From Louie Dituri"

Or maybe Ray took a picture of Louie Dituri's car...

Still, as submission requires a registered log-in, I can see why maybe Louie didn't want to submit the picture himself.

Gregg
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Posted by dammy on 15-Jul-2003 11:53 GMT
I wonder if the winner will get a free T-Shirt? ;)

Dammy
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Posted by Emeric SH on 15-Jul-2003 11:57 GMT
Sounds like the Genesi Superbundle to me, except Amiga Inc don't want to pay a penny to the authors as I read the terms..
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Posted by derf on 15-Jul-2003 12:12 GMT
well what a surprise, all the usual suspects come out to play.

had your fun now kiddies? time to go home now as its time for tea...

shesh

as for those that live in the real world where competitions like this go on all the time, there is nothing different in these terms.

fancy having a piece of your art imortalised forever? you can have it put on the AOS4.0 cd.

its amazing which people come out to play every time they see a AInc related thread...
Amiga wants you! : Comment 8 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 15-Jul-2003 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Emeric SH):
so a competition for a picture is the same as a suite of software for a system that has nothing to do with this thread ?

you see my point here ?
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Posted by corpse on 15-Jul-2003 12:27 GMT
I think we can do without "crap for the sake of it" on the OS4 cd.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 15-Jul-2003 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (derf):
@derf

"so a competition for a picture is the same as a suite of software for a system that has nothing to do with this thread ?"

Lemme quote:

"A contributions drawer on the AmigaOS4.0 CD will hold all manner of community material, whether it be freeware, shareware, commercial application demonstrators, AmigaOS paper magazines, Dealer and Distributor information and artistic creations."
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Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (corpse):
Well, I assume the top 20 from the vote won't be that "crappy".

Anyway, the predictability of you people are amazing. Now crawl back under the stone you came from.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 15-Jul-2003 12:55 GMT
Well to be honest, I couldn't predict the idea. Namely, that it came from Amiga Inc. I'd rather imagine it to come from Hyperion (or Haage & Partner, back in the times when they were responsible for OS4) I see the only difference in that Hyperion or Haage & Partner would pay serious sums, instead of expecting it for free.
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Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Emeric SH):
Well, distributing a demo of your software (for example) to all AmigaOS users for free ain't that bad, you know. Wanna guess how much you would have to *pay* Microsoft in order to have your software on the Windows installation CD? You know, it's probably the most effective way of marketing your software out there today, and Amiga Inc. is giving out this opportunity for free.

Besides, the contributions drawer has been a standard part of the AmigaOS for quite some time now, what the ... got up your ... ?
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Posted by MarkTime on 15-Jul-2003 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (derf):
derf (82.32.32.70)

Reality check, derf...a company that hasn't met its earlier commitments, cannot make new commitments.

They make a valid point.

amigainc is a victim of its own lack of integrity, not of any kind of conspiracy.
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Posted by MarkTime on 15-Jul-2003 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (samface):
@samface

Is this your idea, or what you were told to say? Is this the official lines for the sheep this week?

Why not just post it as a news item...this week the amigainc zealots will be accusing community members of being predictable...next week, we will say there is something suspicious about paying less than $800 for a motherboard.

LOL...you are such a joke. The worst thing that can happen for the amigaincfanboy's is that amiga, inc succeeds...don't you know, the moment they can ditch the zealots, they will......no one can be respectable in Silicon Valley with a religion as the basis for a business plan....and Bill McEwen knows it.
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Posted by Olegil on 15-Jul-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (MarkTime):
And this has WHAT to do with Samfaces valid comments?

Jesus, you guys crack me up. There IS contributions on AmigaOS CD's, live with it. In one way or the other, these contributions need to be gathered. This way, you can contribute YOUR picture IF YOU WANT TO. If you DON'T WANT TO, you DON'T HAVE TO. Why is this bad for YOU? It isn't bad for ME, because at worst it will give me 20 extra backgrounds I won't use. The internet is full of background pictures I would never even CONSIDER using, so 20 more doesn't excactly make me lose any sleep. Why are you so scared? ;-)
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Posted by FuskoSCN on 15-Jul-2003 13:28 GMT
I like the idea about a gfxcompo - and as a graphician i would consider it an honor if i got a picture added to the OS4-cd :) im rather surprised to see all the negative comments...

Good luck with the compo!

fuskoSCN
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Emeric SH):
Don't you have anything useful to say? In case you didn't noticed. AmigaOS3.5 and 3.9 also contain a contribution drawer with freeware and unregistered shareware. So what kind of amiga user are you?
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (MarkTime):
Religion, zealots...now who's the joker here? Prefering a clone obove the original? We all like the Amiga. That's why we use it. That's why we are here. So naturally AmigaOS4 is the only successor of OS3.x. It's not a reimplementation or even a guessed reimplementation or a reverse engineered reimplementation. It's a continuation with some assembly rewritten in C and then ported to PPC. So call me a zealot for preferring the AmigaOS4 above the clones. I call you a joke and a wannbee for choosing and advocating the clone instead of the original.
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Posted by MIKE on 15-Jul-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Olegil):
Yea, Samface is always good for a laugh. Samface accusing posters of being predictable, almost made me spit up my drink. If there's one thing you can count on throughout these boards it's Samface defending Amiga Inc., while simultaneously being clueless.
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Posted by JoannaK on 15-Jul-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (FuskoSCN):
Good thing though: At least this time they have not promiced anything being ready 'soon' nor asked money for something they can't deliver... Unfortunaltely it's just a nice way to spend next 6 or so months while waiting "OS4 in great excitement" or something.
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Posted by Ann Onymus on 15-Jul-2003 14:52 GMT
Don`t competitions usually involve a prize??
Had a look at the Amiga Inc page, didn`t see any mention of one. or maybe I`m just blind.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 15-Jul-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
@Mr. Anonymous

"Don't you have anything useful to say? In case you didn't noticed. AmigaOS3.5 and 3.9 also contain a contribution drawer with freeware and unregistered shareware. So what kind of amiga user are you?"

An Amiga user who has spent a fortune on his machine.

Saying something useful? OS3.5 had contributions from participants belonging to both the red and blue side now. In the spirit of that:

Having MorphOS as a free of charge contribution on the OS4 CD would be real cool. :)
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Posted by Lando on 15-Jul-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Emeric SH):
>A contributions drawer on the AmigaOS4.0 CD will hold all manner of community
>material, whether it be freeware, shareware, commercial application
>demonstrators

How do they expect this to work - how can people code applications to be included on the OS4 CD when OS4 is not finished. Are they going to complete OS4 then wait another 6 months for people to code their freeware/shareware/commercial demos before releasing it, or do they have some other plan?
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Posted by MarkTime on 15-Jul-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
"Religion, zealots...now who's the joker here? Prefering a clone obove the original?"

Hi anonymous, you must not be keeping up on the latest in my personal life, I don't have an Amiga clone at all...

Which is exactly why I've gone back to shooting the lame ducks in these forum's...back when I was in the Genesi camp I had to tone it down. You know, honestly, group psychology. They are into this peace and goodwill stuff....I went along to get along, you know....but no more.

now that I'm back to being independent, I just have to take a few shots at all the sanctimonious hoo haa you see in every thread around here.
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Posted by Jeff Martin on 15-Jul-2003 15:20 GMT
What a bunch of idiots. It's a free competition with the chance of getting you artwork immortalised on the AOS4 CD. You lot are so blinkered in you hatred for Amiga Inc that as soon as you see their name mentioned you go in to dick head mode and start slagging them off.:(

Half of this, tiny, community has turned in to a bunch of bitter and twister whiners.:\

How very sad.:(
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ann Onymus):
"Don`t competitions usually involve a prize??
Had a look at the Amiga Inc page, didn`t see any mention of one. or maybe I`m just blind."

Sometimes your just declared the winner.

Or the best pic will become the default background for Aos4.
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Posted by dammy on 15-Jul-2003 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Jeff Martin):
The other half turns out to be brain dead trademark worshipers. Oh well, that's how the boing ball bounces.

Dammy
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Jeff Martin):
""Half of this, tiny, community has turned in to a bunch of bitter and twister whiners.:\"""

Its not half. Its the tiny Genesi/Pegasos/MorphOS supporting group that is making all the fuss here.
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Posted by Lando on 15-Jul-2003 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (FuskoSCN):
>I like the idea about a gfxcompo - and as a graphician i would consider it an
>honor if i got a picture added to the OS4-cd :) im rather surprised to see all
>the negative comments...
>
>Good luck with the compo!
>
>fuskoSCN

Sure, fusko, I understand what you're saying.
But I happen to think that with your talent, you should expect to be paid for working. Don't you think you're worth that much?

AInc have to start paying their way, they can't rely on the charity of Amiga users forever.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 31 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 15-Jul-2003 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (FuskoSCN):
"I like the idea about a gfxcompo - and as a graphician i would consider it an honor if i got a picture added to the OS4-cd :) im rather surprised to see all the negative comments...

Good luck with the compo!

fuskoSCN"

Well said!

Guess most of the whining idio.. here doesn't have any gfx talent anyway? (Or are they just loyal customors at the competitor, who said cult followers?)
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Posted by Emeric SH on 15-Jul-2003 16:14 GMT
"Guess most of the whining idio.. here doesn't have any gfx talent anyway? (Or are they just loyal customors at the competitor, who said cult followers?)"

You'd be surprised if you'd know for what projects I've made designs for ;-) Maybe most will never see public light, but not one is connected to OS4.

Is it a default reaction that whoever complains is either a paid Genesi agent or a troll? Surprise: not.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 16:14 GMT
people,do it for the Amiga!
be proud to see your stuff on the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.0 CD!
it is up to us,to help to bring the Amiga back!
let us see to the future and no longer to the past!
i hope that you all talent Amiga Fans will support his CD
to show the customers that the Amiga is not dead!

thank you

The legend continues....
Amiga wants you! : Comment 34 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 15-Jul-2003 16:15 GMT
"but not one is"

"many are" is better. Sorry, it's my english.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 15-Jul-2003 16:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (corpse):
> I think we can do without "crap for the sake of it" on the OS4 cd.

I agree. There is a beuty in the simplicity of installing the OS on the HD by writing "copy cd0: dh0: all", without filling the partition with meaningless junk. Add these "extras" an a separate CD (or upload it to aminet).
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Posted by Ray A. Akey on 15-Jul-2003 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Gregg):
Gregg,

Thanks, we will modify the rules to cover submissions made on behalf of others.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (takemehomegrandma):
[quote]> I think we can do without "crap for the sake of it" on the OS4 cd.

I agree. There is a beuty in the simplicity of installing the OS on the HD by writing "copy cd0: dh0: all", without filling the partition with meaningless junk. Add these "extras" an a separate CD (or upload it to aminet).[/quote]

Funny! try Expert mode like the rest of us and the "crap" will not get put on your HD, but i think that mode must of scared you over the years or that you have gotten to used to installing windows on your PC & think that amigaOS-CD's install bloat no matter what the setting
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Posted by Ray A. Akey on 15-Jul-2003 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Emeric SH):
EmericSH,

Amiga is doing something free, for the people out there who create free community contributions.

And as far as your superbundle remark goes, if you check amigadev.net, you'll find that Amiga has had a similar upload facility in place for AmigaDE developers and artists long before this "superbundle" was even thought of. It is not out of the ballpark to expect that we would create a similar exchange facility for AmigaOS developers and artists.

This is the start of an ongoing opportunity for artists and software developers to get their free or demo images and software on AmigaOS CDs, free of charge; they pay nothing.

The first competition features backdrops. Future competitions might feature software or other digital creations of a given category.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Ray A. Akey):
Let's turn this thread in something about MOS and pegasos. Far more interesting.
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Posted by Ray A. Akey on 15-Jul-2003 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ann Onymus):
The "prize" is that your work gets published on the AmigaOS CD.

The comical part about the majority of the trolls here is that, in the earlier days, when I was a developer not associated with Amiga, I would have killed to have my software or art published on the "Official" AmigaOS CD. In fact, my former business partner tried in vain for many months to get our commercial software included in an official pay software package or bundle or even a FREE demo.

Well, on that "free software" front, Amiga has given people an opportunity here. Whether you take it or not is up to you. :)

The Community Exchange is also a place where software can be exchanged/traded. If can almost be guaranteed to work with AmigaOS as we are moderating every upload to assure quality. Anything that doesn't work will be removed.

So, here is your chance to use a service Amiga has created. Use it or don't, but as I can see already, those who aren't trolling are busy uploading.

I must cut this reply semi-short now as we have submissions to look at. :)
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Posted by z5 on 15-Jul-2003 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Ray A. Akey):
@Ray:

Maybe you should do something for the Amiga community first instead of taking $50000 from them to keep AmigaInc alive, then relying on that same community for their contributions, while still not being able to resolve that t-shirt thingie you were supposed to get sorted in the "next coming weeks".

You guys really have no shame at all, it seems.

That said, there should be a lot of contributions by the time that OS4 is released.

I hope the applications drawer will not remain is empty as the entire AmigaAnywhere site (allthough that would be rather difficult).

Let's face it, the few of you that are still working at AmigaInc don't give a toss about any amiga community, you don't even know the meaning of the word. And whenever there is a competition from AmigaInc, it turns out into something quite ridiculous from AmigaInc's part.

In AmigaInc we believe not.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (z5):
LOL so the most important thing to you about a Software firm is to deliver a T-Shirt & all software untill then is irrelevant.
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Posted by Ray A. Akey on 15-Jul-2003 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (z5):
@z5

Yes, there will be a lot of contributions and, sorry to dissapoint you and your anti-Amiga clan, there are already several after only 12 hours. So, you've already lost on the "empty" part.

..have a nice day and don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
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Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (z5):
Amiga Inc. did NOT "take" anything from ME as a Club Amiga member nor anyone else. They *offered* us rebates if we joined their club, wether anyone should accept such an offer or not is of course entirely up to each and every individual. That is NOT what I would refer to as "taking" their money. It was a business offer where an exchange between currency and wares takes place. You pay, recieve a membership of the club, and then collect the rebates when the products for the rebates are available. Noone has a problem with this except blatant trolls like you.

Furthermore, they are NOT relying on the contributions directory on the AmigaOS4 CD. Why would it even be of importance to them at all? It's just a contributions directory, for christ sake. The ones benefitting from this is the ones contributing to it since they get their software distributed to all AmigaOS4 consumers, care to tell me of a more effective way of marketing your AmigaOS4 application? I guess not.

Nobody but pathetic trolls like you whine about the t-shirts, and you didn't even pay for one to begin with. Do you really think anyone would pay $50 for just a lousy t-shirt? No. Is the t-shirt of high priority right now? No. Do you look pathetic when whining about it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and... again? Yes.

In pathetic trolling we believe not.
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (z5):
[quote]Maybe you should do something for the Amiga community first instead of taking $50000 from them to keep AmigaInc alive, then relying on that same community for their contributions, while still not being able to resolve that t-shirt thingie you were supposed to get sorted in the "next coming weeks".[/quote]

I see few if any club members moaning about the T-shirts.

And yes amiga.inc should turn to the amiga community for software contributions or do you think that amiga.inc should be asking the Mac/PC for contributions.

And maybe Microsoft should be asking the Linux community for contributions.
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Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (MarkTime):
But for christ sake, can't you see how pathetic it is to read about anti Amiga Inc. zealots that starts shouting "SCAM!" simply because you can submit something to Amiga Inc.? It's a backdrop design competition where the top 20 will be on the AmigaOS4 CD, what is there to flame about?

Now, I suggest you all crawl back under the stone you came from, trolls.
Amiga wants you! : Comment 47 of 160ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jul-2003 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (samface):
@samface

do you like so much supporting these criminals?
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Posted by Hiraghm on 15-Jul-2003 17:52 GMT
I look forward to this contest. I've already done an Amiga-oriented animation, for nothing, so it's a step up to have one included on the CD.

I don't know why some people have to be negative about such things. You don't like/trust the contest, good. More likely mine will get on the CD. :)
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Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Emeric SH):
>An Amiga user who has spent a fortune on his machine.

A bare bone classic Amiga is cheap, an accelerated one is not. Who made the accelerator boards, again? That's right, your precious former Phase5 employees, not Amiga Inc. So, it looks rather foolish to blame Amiga Inc. because you wasted alot of money on products that Amiga Inc. has nothing to do with. Furthermore, you praise the ones who used to manufacture those expensive products. How sane is that?
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Posted by samface on 15-Jul-2003 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Lando):
If you don't want to contribute, THEN DON'T! They are not living off of charity from Amiga users, they are *offering* people to have their software distributed with their product. It's 100% voluntary, free and the most effective way of marketing your AmigaOS product. Furthermore, the contributions directory is not an invention of Amiga Inc. and has been a standard part of AmigaOS for quite some time now. Now tell me, Lando, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? Had too much choices lately?
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