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Posted on 15-Aug-2003 02:21 GMT by Christophe Decanini (Edited on 2003-08-15 04:21:54 GMT by Christophe Decanini)43 comments
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APS (French Amiga and Pegasos dealer) posted some screenshots of MorphOS1.4 running some applications.
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Posted by - GALAXY - on 15-Aug-2003 01:00 GMT
Hi,

I have thought for a while before replying here and already mentioned the disadvantages of these screenshots. This may definately sound like some rant in the ears of someone but these screenshots are damn ugly. I was told that the aim of the APS person was to promote Pegasos and MorphOS (running applications) to increase the interest and salesrates to other people but I am worried that the person will achieve exactly the oposite of what his aims where.

Look at:

http://www.morphos.net/images.php?gallery=13

These screenshots for example. They look well choosen, aesthetical, simple and clean. Now look at the APS screenshots and the first sentence rushing through my head was (full abuse of colors 32bit in it's whole). Well I pretty much welcome his efforts, his time spent, to show applications in actions etc. but it would have make more sense to show MorphOS from it's best sides including running applications rather than abusing the colors and abuse of IFF patterns in the MUI windows.

What I'm trying to tell is. The people who use MorphOS and Pegasos already know about the powers of MorphOS and how beautiful it could look like but those who haven't bought Pegasos and MorphOS yet (or who aim to buy one with Peg2) are pretty scared by these pictures. They may think (wow how ugly, where is what?). The first impression of MorphOS is what matters. There are even people reading Ann.lu who use a different system like Windows or Linux who come here to read about news, to see how much Amiga/Pegasos have come in the past years.

I don't want to sound too offensive or harsh. I do welcome Zefram's (?) work. I want to encourage him to continue in the future. But please try to be as aesthetical as even possible. To attract visitors, readers, people interest in the Hardware/OS you should show it's best sides. The Morphos.Net people understood it the handful screeners shown there are really a pleasurement to see but these on APS are not. I am a fair person thus I need to say that these are the ugliest in action MOS screenshots i've came along to.

Ok this is my personal opinion. Other people have other taste and other opinions. I don't want to force my views on others. Only posted what I think about them. If you present something then think about the other as someone who never seen, never heard and don't know about your system. You try to bring up the best sides, best polish to this person to convince him about your product.

greetings,

- GALAXY -
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Posted by Melissa on 15-Aug-2003 01:39 GMT
Bitch bitch bitch! I like the screenshots, they look pretty!
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Posted by Paul Gallant on 15-Aug-2003 02:04 GMT
Hello GALAXY,

I think the screenshots look fine. I understand what you mean about the pro looking screenshots from the MorphOS site. Its just that these look more like a real "users" screen. I think these: http://www.morphos.net/images.php?
gallery=13

Look a little to much like aqua.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 15-Aug-2003 02:58 GMT
Can't say I am too fond of them myself either. I'm with Galaxy on this.
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Posted by Hagge on 15-Aug-2003 03:40 GMT
someone lacks taste...

mix of colors, gradients and textures all over the place, and lots of windows.. looks like crap.
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Posted by Don Cox on 15-Aug-2003 04:11 GMT
So far, all the screen shots of MorphOS that I have seen show only the Workbench screen.

Presumably MOS does have a working screens system, so how about some shots of for example Voyager or Pagestream running on their own screens? That would show the gradients and stuff working in a normal situation.

In normal Amiga usage, you don't have a WB screen covered with program windows like a Windows desktop.
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Posted by Jchap on 15-Aug-2003 05:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Don Cox):
In my opinion, all these windows are just made to show us a maximum of things running (and at the same time) with only few screenshots. If you want to do the same with one screen by application, you'll get one hundred screenshots!
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Posted by tokai on 15-Aug-2003 05:57 GMT
see, everbody has a different taste. ppl say about my screenshots that they are just boring (only grey and blue, too less colors etc.)

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=ambient2k3&id=the_meaning_of_life

But why I should care, I like it. And I'm sure whoever made those colourful screenshots likes his screenshots too. Simple have a look to the screenshot gallery @morphzone.org and you'll understand that. Why not tolerate this. :)
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Posted by - GALAXY - on 15-Aug-2003 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (tokai):
Well the difference between MorphZone and A.P.S. is that MorphZone's GALLERY is known to have Screenshots made by users. From what I was told the aim of A.P.S. is commercially nature. This was told to me and it's obviously written in the title of this Thread (and on his page). I think for someone representing a companies and customers interest things should show up from it's best sides. We should be thankful that these Screenshots haven't shown up on Slashdot or OSNews.com yet otherwise everything that Genesi has worked for - for the past months and years - would drastically decrease because people may loose interest due of such presentation (I'm just speculating here but If I got shown such Screenshots then I would be anything else than pleased). Maybe running a default MorphOS setup (without any changes) and showing the one or other app with default setup would be more pleasing. Most of the User's Screenshots found on MorphZone have far more taste and quality. Luckely I'm not an bias so I can tell you that even the pre shown OS4.0 Screenshots on various pages are polished in 1A quality. An OS that we all haven't seen in action on a native PPC plattform but an OS that has been presented in it's more or less best perspectives. Morphos.net's Screenshots are in best 1A polish as well and it doesn't matter if they look MacOSX'ish or not, what matters is that they are Aesthetical pleasing. I can only say that I feel terribly sorry for what I was shown at A.P.S' page. Let's all hope they don't show up on named pages otherwise this may really hurt MorphOS. People new to PowerPC (Pegasos or MorphOS to be explicit) may get a wrong impression and the first thing they will do is saying that it sucks. While reality (Morphos.net) has proven us that MorphOS is indeed a beautiful System. Their Artists did a great job on Eyecandy during the 1.3 to 1.4 process. It would be a pity if their work wouldn't emphasise. It's the basics of Marketing.

- Caugh people's attention (but not that way :)
- Convince him about your product
- Make him tell other people about your product
- Sell your product

If you go into a store (Furniture, Electronics etc.) then the first thing you do is look at the Brand, How does it look, how much does it cost and so on. Same matters for a commercial company like A.P.S. This again is just my personal opinion. For some it may make sense, for others not. But maybe I can convince someone to at least think about it.

greetings,

- GALAXY -
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 15-Aug-2003 06:25 GMT
Jesus christ! And I thought some of the OS4 developers were colourblind :)
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Posted by mahen on 15-Aug-2003 06:31 GMT
Why doesn't anyone use Anti-aliased fonts ? Who look much better :-)
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Posted by Adam on 15-Aug-2003 07:11 GMT
Anything people do, there is always someone to criticize.
If you think it's not good for MorphOS I can remove them in 1 minute.
But from now, I got only good feedback from my custumers because they can
see it has evolved since the last time they saw it in the demos parties.

What I can propose you Galaxy, is to send me some screenshots of yours
in 1024 PNG and i'll put them at the top the page.
Only Galaxy please, not everybody :)
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Posted by gz on 15-Aug-2003 07:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (- GALAXY -):
-GALAXY-

I think it's a matter of opinion and with people your destined to find lots of differing ones. For instance I like the scrshots just fine, but you think they are ugly. Assuming we would do things your way, someone else would then pop along and complain how ugly they think the pictures are. That is why the look of a modern os is changeable according to user preference. The only way to achieve what you want is getting yourself a copy of morphos and designing a look that meets your preference and then posting scrshots of that onto the net.
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Posted by brotheris on 15-Aug-2003 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (- GALAXY -):
I have to agree with you on this. lots of colour abuse.
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Posted by - GALAXY - on 15-Aug-2003 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Adam):
Yes I would be pleased to do so unfortunately I can offer you GNOME Screenshots only.

http://www.akcaagac.com/index_desktop.html

Well, I'm normal User and don't represent a company or something. I have no skills in Art and Style but I have tried my best to promote the Desktop I'm using in it's best to the public. You can see me as one of your customers. So as possible customer I have to tell you that I'm not pleased with your Screenshots and thus not going to buy a Pegasos from you, since the OS doesn't impress me (it looks ugly) (This is a fictional sentence since I know about Pegasos and MorphOS but think about those who don't know 'bout it.)

Ok I think this should be enough of what I have to say thus I'm not going to extend this conversation any further. Let's see what other readers have to say. Right now the majority of the expositors are not very pleased.

greetings,

- GALAXY -
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Posted by Hagge on 15-Aug-2003 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (tokai):
Sure, your screenshot is "boring" but it's at least clean and it's easy to see what you are doing. My screenshots looks like:

http://hem.bredband.net/johkru/X-no-gui-channel.png

and i happen to like that ;)
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Posted by jPV on 15-Aug-2003 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (- GALAXY -):
Yeah, I agree completely with GALAXY. Those APS screenshot just give a headache.. awful MUI settings and ugly fonts. Some elegance and professional look is needed for this kind of stuff. Thanks for pointing out those morphos.net shots.. Most finished screenshots of MOS I've seen. I guess I have to copy them now on my classic Amiga ;)
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Posted by Don Cox on 15-Aug-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (jPV):
"Yeah, I agree completely with GALAXY. Those APS screenshot just give a headache.. awful MUI settings and ugly fonts. Some elegance and professional look is needed for this kind of stuff. "

You can't expect somebody to develop professional standard design skills overnight just because he has an adaptable GUI. That would be like giving somebody a piano and expecting instant good music.

Generally, it is easier to make a pleasing design when fewer colours are used. That doesn't mean that a design with many colours is always bad, just that it is harder to control.

Maybe MOS should come with a design manual. ;-)
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Posted by Adam on 15-Aug-2003 08:16 GMT
Ok fellas :)
What I propose you is to submit me some of your screenshots.
Do not send anything by email, it will be deleted from the server.
But send me a link to your screenshots (1024x768 in PNG) and I'll choose
some.

MorphOS 1.4 screenshots only of course.

Adam, APS
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Posted by Alan (without verification today) on 15-Aug-2003 09:01 GMT
unlike, it seems, many others. i KNOW that the whole UI can have its colours
changed to suite the individual user.

what i find good/interesting about these screenshots is the different
variations of programs that are running happily on MorphOS... emulators,
top-spec Amiga games, various applications.

just keep chucking such visual info my way.....as well as, perhaps, actually
TELLING people what is running in each grab?

good work

Alan
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Posted by itix on 15-Aug-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Don Cox):
> In normal Amiga usage, you don't have a WB screen covered with> program windows like a Windows desktop. I'm not so sure... I run everything except IBrowse on my WB (or Ambient) screen.
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Posted by Leo on 15-Aug-2003 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (- GALAXY -):
If the goal of these screenshots was to attract buyers, I afraid they have failed... Such ugly (sorry, that's what *I* think) don't attract me at all...

The ONLY good-looking, professional and consistant morphos grab I saw was the one with the Ambient/Turboprint prefs in the Morphos.net gallery.
=> Only such grabs should have been in APS's gallery.

And it seems no one is using it or want to make more grabs of MUI apps with this skin... dunno why :/ (I heard it was buggy: maube this is true then...)

@+,
Leo.
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Posted by priest on 15-Aug-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (itix):
Wasn't Amiga pretty much the pioneer in that?

(well, perhaps Mac was first, but B&W does not count... :))
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Posted by priest on 15-Aug-2003 10:34 GMT
beutifull, gorgeous, lovely, outstanding ...

Damn, there's no word to describe how good the Ambient looks when it's set up properly....
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Posted by Emeric SH on 15-Aug-2003 10:56 GMT
At least the screenshots show off some abilities of MorphOS. We can see WarpOS games running, MAME games running, MPlayer running, and a couple other tasks.

If it's not for elegance, it's for functionality and abilities.

Nice job!
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 15-Aug-2003 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (hooligan/dcs):
Mee too. While the screenshots do demonstrate the skinning ability and configurability of the interface, they are in themselves pretty ugly and unpleasant to look at.

OK for an example of users' screenshots, but not so good as promotional material.
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Posted by AdmV on 15-Aug-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Bill Hoggett):
The screenshots are a nice coverage of the kind of windows and tools one might run.

1. The apps begin to look very aged.
2. Some of the colours and 'patterns' seem pretty dreadful! I remember setting up my MUI apps to look a lot better. Its quite a chore but worth it IMHO, especially if you want to use for publication..

AdmV
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Aug-2003 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (jPV):
Maybe the annoying 11 year old child from AmiWest did set the colours and bitmaps on the machine APS got eventually.:-D
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Aug-2003 17:11 GMT
As someone mentioned, these screengrabs sure aren't
beautiful but they do show off the functionality
of MOS. And what functionality! MUI with a lot more
configurability as opposed to the m68k version,
anti-aliased fonts and cool 32-bit PNG icons,
it's even got the Poseidon USB stack and the
Turboprint printing system. By the looks of it,
it's a stable OS (with the right apps).

I'm beginning to say to myself: "What's the bl**dy
point of waiting for the AmigaOne version of OS4
when this baby already does everything one can
ask for." And indeed, the Pegasos-II should be
less expensive as well.
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Posted by magnetic on 15-Aug-2003 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (- GALAXY -):
Galaxy -

You are being very harsh here. I think that APS has shown nice screenshots. Its not just about design. They took the Time to do it and it is one of the most comprehensive set of screenshots I've seen in a long time. Thank you APS and good work!

magnetic
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Aug-2003 17:35 GMT
Yep, these shots showed off many things I've been
wanting to know about. Good work!
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Posted by - GALAXY - on 15-Aug-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (magnetic):
Hello Magnetic,

Would you welcome if we publish that Link to e.g. OSNews.com or Slashdot. Now that they are so beautiful and promising, we shouldn't fear to do this step. Let outsiders (not necessarily Amigans) decide wether they like 'em or not. As I mentioned earlier. Many people are going from the standpoint that these pictures shows the capabilities of MUI, showing WarpOS things, MAME, the possibility of showing 32bit images and so on. It's nice that YOU and most of the AMIGANS are aware of this. But think about people who have absolutely NO clue. People who read one sentence about a new OS named MorphOS and PowerPC. They show up and ask 'where can I see some screenshots' and you seriously want to present them such images ? Luckely we here in the little community could deal with them since we know what it's capabilities are but people outside DO NOT. People outside would have the tendency to say:

'these are ugly screenshots'
'they are splattered with colors'
'unaesthetical'
'look at the different icons and all that color'

...

Whom are these Screenshots meant for ? The people already using MorphOS ? The people in the community who already know how things look ? Or the people outside who are asking what MorphOS is ? I had a little conversation with Zefram earlier this morning and I must admit that I should have contacted him via email before writing that comment here on ANN.lu but on the otherhand we can take this chance and convince everyone doing equal Screenshots to put weight on eyecandy.

Now my question again, anyone here welcome if they get shown on OSNews.com for a larger user-/readerbase. I bet these pictures perfectly promote 'MorphOS since they are so beautiful'. You can go there and convince readers that they are showing the possibilities of MUI and that they show nice WarpOS apps running. As if 90% of their audience ever heard of MUI, WarpOS and it's capabilities. All they want to see are nice cool Screenshots, they don't care if MUI is able to deal with 32bit, all sorts of patterns, WarpOS, they simply want Eyecandy.

I have shown some people some Screenshots in the past from the Linux community to promote MorphOS a bit. The reply was something like:

- 'hum GNOME looks better'
- 'it doesn't do AA fonts'
- 'the apps look ugly'

They don't know what MUI or WarpOS is and what's wrong with above arguments ? MOS indeed does AA fonts, it can look better than GNOME and well choosen APPS (maybe something they know or heard about (MPlayer) will be more attractive to them).

That's my entire point. My intention was NOT to start a flamewar or something. My intention is to 'HELP' promoting MorphOS in its full glance. 5 mins more spent on these Screenshots and things would have looked far better. I'm at least thankfully that Zefram understands my points after we had a nice chat conversation and I welcome for his call of Screenshots maybe all of you using MorphOS could help him promoting MOS in it's full glance.

- AA fonts are a must,
- Transparency effects are pleasing,
- Aesthetical look is important (proper layout, if possible look a'like icons, not eyehurting colors),
- ... and so on

greetings,

- GALAXY -
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Posted by mahen on 15-Aug-2003 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (- GALAXY -):
This is true.

We should support Adam (APS)'s effort and encourage him by making constructive criticisms / helping him.
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Posted by Leo on 15-Aug-2003 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (- GALAXY -):
You're totally right.

(Even grabs of the MorphOS.net gallery are not so well-designed/choosen...)

Leo.
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Posted by James Carroll on 16-Aug-2003 03:55 GMT
Well, the screenshots dont look that great.. but does it really matter?

One good thing about them is that they show off whats possible. Similar to the initial green OS 4.0 screenshots (in respect that they show off whats possible, but not looking any good).
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Posted by Anonymous on 16-Aug-2003 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (- GALAXY -):
>'look at the different icons and all that color' Right...even bplan showed different icons on TV!!! :-\ >- AA fonts are a must Why, they only make things blurry with small fonts. :-P
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Posted by Leo on 16-Aug-2003 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
The same goes for the TV presentations...

We know that you CAN have nice GUI (provided you hide standard GUI (non-MUI) apps, Ugly and "you can't do more simple" Gadtools/Reqtools requesters, and you reorganise the icons in the windows !)

=> Every MorphOS which has to appear on TV should be prepared and configured properly to look OK...

It can play a video, runs 6 years old 3d apps, runs WarpOS/Warp3D stuff... Who cares ? The only thing that can attract new people is the look.

@+,
Leo.
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Posted by Fab1 on 16-Aug-2003 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Leo):
>It can play a video, runs 6 years old 3d apps, runs WarpOS/Warp3D stuff... Who cares ? The only thing that can attract new people is the look.>@+,>Leo.As far as i am concerned (and i'm not really :)), i wouldn't welcome new users who are only be attracted by the look of the OS. I believe the "technical support" will suffer a lot with this kind of people. :)(on a more serious tone, i know that look is important, but please understand that there are also other *useful* aspects that need work in MorphOS).
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Posted by Leo on 16-Aug-2003 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Fab1):
>(on a more serious tone, i know that look is important, but please understand that there are also other *useful* aspects that need work in MorphOS).

I would agree if MorphOS couldn't be made to look fine... Which is not the case: some well-chosen/well-designed screenshots have already been posted.

=> Why not use these screenshots for TV presents/web galleries ?

As for the technical aspect, as long as there is only ABox, I'm afraid this can't attract that much people, at least on desktop market (this may not matter for embedded market) :/ (no mem. protection, no VM, no Ressource-Tracking, no true IDE,...).

And when MorphOS is presented to TV in about two minutes to people who only remember the Amiga500 with its games, the look *is* the most important thing !

@+,
Leo.
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Posted by The REAL DanDude on 16-Aug-2003 14:23 GMT
Boring!!!
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Posted by hgm on 16-Aug-2003 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (- GALAXY -):
amen
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Posted by breed on 17-Aug-2003 16:48 GMT
I dont have a peg for now, and i want to see screenshots with a lots of progs running :)))) That's what APS did. U can see some cool stuff and how Ambient is customizable.

:)
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Posted by Dan on 17-Aug-2003 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (tokai):
I like your screenshots tokai its are the most amiga-looking one and by amiga i mean WB3.1 with MagicWB and MUI, I´m backwards like that.
When it comes to guis less is more the amiga menus on RMB proves it, it saves one line of text and every other menusystem is bloated in comparison.
But everyone has their own taste and is as it should be.
BTW has anyone ever tried to place a 2-year old in front of an MacOS Aqua screen, he would probably try to taste it because he would think it was candy:-)
eye-Candy indeed.
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