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[News] AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 20-Sep-2003 09:45 GMT by Mike Bouma76 comments
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At AmigaWorld.net the following announcement was made: "AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne to be demoed at the Pianeta Amiga 2003 show in Italy this weekend."
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 51 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Sep-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Eva):
There is absolutely nothing misleading about my statement.

I said "OS 4" is running on the AmigaOne.

I didn't claim OS 4 was free of bugs and releasable.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 52 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Sep-2003 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben,

Is that the Radeon P96 driver in action on those screenshots?
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 53 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 20-Sep-2003 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Eva):
eva, ti dico semplicemente: fatti curare.

English translation: eva is payed by genesi to spread FUD. :-(
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 54 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 20-Sep-2003 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (J.T.):
no tranqui, e' quello vero. Chiedi pure a massimiliano tretene, che allo sviluppo di OS4 ci collabora.

No, it's the true AOS4. Ask massimiliano tretene... :-)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 55 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 20-Sep-2003 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Eva):
eva, see the AVIs @:

http://www.lightelements.com/gallery/03-os4/jt-os4c.avi

http://www.lightelements.com/gallery/03-os4/jt-os4e.avi

and get a life, please. :-)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 56 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 20-Sep-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
> ULONG is 32 bits wide on Amiga. I would expect unsigned long to be 64 bits wide
> in a 64 bit implementation of the OS, but ULONG must still be 32 bits wide.

Yep, that's the idea.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 57 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 20-Sep-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> Tag items need an extension anyway. They're unsuited also for holding i.e. double values, and they are also not capable of
> hold 64 bit values unless you define tham that way.

I don't know if you can make such a tagitem extension without
creating something messy. I would simply make the rule that
such "big" values need to passed by reference. Ie. instead
of

{GA_Gravity, 1.0}

you do

double gravity = 1.0;

{GA_Gravity, &gravity).

Kinda already happens with string attributes (if boopsi class not just
saves pointer, but also copies contents to internal buffer).
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 58 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by AG2 on 20-Sep-2003 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Don Cox):
And who actually is Don Cox and what are his qualifications?

You are as anonymous to me than all the others.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 59 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 20-Sep-2003 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Think again, you would support the competition aka MorphOS with this. Wasn't it Ben or Allan or Fleecy "barry" Moss who actually didn't want to support the aMozilla project because of "potentially supporting the others"? (not that they would have money to donate anyway).
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 60 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 20-Sep-2003 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Georg Steger):
> I don't know if you can make such a tagitem extension without
> creating something messy.

It will surely need a new API. Problem is that many legacy programs will read/handle tag items directly.
However, especially on a 64 bit system the limitations of tag items might become a problem since 64 bit integers and pointers will become the rule rather than the exception.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 61 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 20-Sep-2003 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Tryo):
mozilla is bloated. what amigans needs is a browser like galeon... :-(
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 62 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Sep-2003 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (AG2):
You can find my email address on lots of mailing lists, so write and ask. I use my actual name, like Bill Buck, Bill Hoggett, Ben Hermans, Hans-Joerg Frieden, etc etc.

Why hide behind something like "AG2"? What are you ashamed of?
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 63 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 20-Sep-2003 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (amighista):
> mozilla is bloated. what amigans needs is a browser like galeon... :-(

What a funny sentence :) I was a longtime contributor and supporter of Galeon who even wrote the backup system for Bookmarks. While you are talking about bloat.

- Mozilla is on it's own (23mb Mozilla).
- Galeon depends on Gecko which requires a full Mozilla installation and GNOME libraries (23mb Mozilla + 5mb Galeon + 50mb GNOME).

Now where are we with bloat again ? Mozilla is a single applications while Galeon depends on Mozilla and GNOME which obviously is 20 times more bloat than you may have guessed. The reason why Galeon or Epiphany was written is to have an application with Native widgetset for the GNOME Desktop using GTKEmbeddMoz. Unfortunately Gecko is still not fitting this gap because it's tied to XUL and all the bloat around.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 64 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by AG2 on 20-Sep-2003 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Don Cox):
These things are usually known as nicknames in the online community.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 65 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 20-Sep-2003 18:31 GMT
I've just come back and it's true i've seen AmigaOne and Os4!!!
AmigaOne is not just booting is working you can use the system: mui, shell, ibrowse, scout.. play voxel demo or watch some movie!!
To be completely honest you can't try to do much more because of the beta state but it's much more than just booting!
If you want to know more just ask...

bye

P.S. Great work Hyperion!!!
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 66 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 20-Sep-2003 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
>That's called the LLP64 model. The only operating system of any significance >to have been built with that model is Windows 64, which is unproven and has >almost no software.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 67 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 20-Sep-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
>That's called the LLP64 model. The only operating system of any significance >to have been built with that model is Windows 64, which is unproven
MS Windows AMD64 (Anvil) is currently in beta testing period....
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 68 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 20-Sep-2003 22:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
> That's called the LLP64 model.

No, that's called "software compatibility". "LONG" is not guaranteed to be the same as "long", "LONG" is always guaranteed to be 32bit, as simple as that.

If you want to use "long", then use "long", not "LONG".
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 69 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by JP on 21-Sep-2003 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Richi):
How long does it take to boot it ? I know it is going to probably change in the future, but it would be nice to know anyway.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 70 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 21-Sep-2003 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (JP):
better you ask that question when OS4 goes gold. :-)
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 71 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 21-Sep-2003 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (JP):
Hard to say they didn't reboot many times, actually they didn't reboot at all except to move the computer for the conference.
I rebooted personally the version on a cyberstorm, 3 or 4 times and it's not extremely fast, more or less the same as on a 060 (sorry i didn't think to count the seconds).
I saw the reboot of Amigaone just once, and it's quite slow, but it's not a normal procedure yet, it's much more than cyberstorm version however.
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 72 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by nMh on 21-Sep-2003 11:41 GMT
i am curious .. how long does OS4 take to boot on the A1?
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 73 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2003 16:30 GMT
Cheers to Hyperion, we're finally getting there
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 74 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Sep-2003 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Why doesn't everyone use
uint8
uint16
uint32
uint64

and even
float24 (supported in the embedded world)
float32
float64

or people will continue to get bitten by this..
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 75 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 21-Sep-2003 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
I agree Uint8, Sint8... etc... are great, and should be used as standard. But that doesn't help the problem we have with Taglists... :-(
AmigaOS 4 running on AmigaOne at Pianeta Amiga 2003 : Comment 76 of 76ANN.lu
Posted by zynaps on 22-Sep-2003 22:28 GMT
Something tells me the GUI is not hardware accelerated. After watching the movies i'm kinda dissapointed by the apparent slowness of the GUI especially when doing solid resizing :(
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