| [News] Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 02-Oct-2003 05:11 GMT by Rich Woods (Edited on 2003-10-02 07:15:20 GMT by Christian Kemp) | 427 comments
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Amiga's Attorneys Are Granted Leave Leaving Amiga with NO Legal Representation.
"This court hereby orders, judges and decrees, that Diana S. Shukis,
Stephen P. VanDerhoef & Cairncross & Hempelmann P.S. may withdraw as counsel of record for Defendant Amiga, Inc. The withdrawal is effective immediately upon entry of this Order.
DONE IN OPEN COURT this 30th day of September, 2003.
/s/
Robert S. Lasnik"
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 301 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Oct-2003 12:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 286 (An Cr):
Posted by An Cr (217.227.218.206) on 03-Oct-2003 11:55:13
Truth isnt either red or blue, it has all colours. People also dont necessarily favour just one side, some search for a clear view whereever they find one, in all colours that exist, even invisible ones.
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That is true. Some people do NOT necessarily favour one side for another, BUT, it's the forum people who puts them on either side.
There are very few people I can think of who is considered "in between" by the community (by community I mean Amiga & alike users).
And that really is a problem. There is so much crap flying in the air you can not just stand in the middle dodking poop. That shit will hit and make you lose your balance on either side, sooner or later.
Was it your fault? Nope. You were innocent bystander, and those evil people throw manouver on you :-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 302 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 03-Oct-2003 12:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 297 (DaveP):
> Dammy, this is exactly the kind of thing I mean, you clearly have severe
> personal issues with me, I would be happy to accept an email on the
> subject and maybe we can straighten things out.
Dave, don't even consider taking the high road with me. I only responded to you as you were slamming me by name. If you don't like my responces to you, I highly suggest you stop your direct attacks on me. But since you have to please Ben "I'm important" H to stay on OS4 Beta Testing group...
Dammy |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 303 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon on 03-Oct-2003 12:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 299 (Anonymous):
Dear Mr Anonymous,
You say that you have bought an A1, but you don't give your details so how are we to know you are telling the truth?
You COULD (Note it says COULD not ARE) be trolling :o/
Rassilon |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 304 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by DaveP on 03-Oct-2003 12:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 302 (dammy):
If slamming you is describing the foul mouthed trash you use in every reply to me
guilty as charged.
You don't want to talk it over, fine. We will just continue as is.
Dave. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 305 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 03-Oct-2003 12:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 292 (Eva):
>AmigaInc shows that it's UNCAPAble to do anything, neither a couple of T-shirts.
I think this matter should considered as it is, ie.an
illegal behaviour. Amiga Inc offered something for some moneys.
Who payed these moneys didn't got all what was promised.
Nothing to add.
Amiga inc didn't give what people payed for. There aren't
excuses for this.
Now, should we trust in this company?
Should an investor trust in them?
Why the hell there are people who defend Amiga Inc
when it's clean how they work and how much they respect customers?
What I can't understand is if people believe in AMIGA or in
a guy who they like more than another.
Amiga Inc did a lot of errors and produced really nothing
useful (OS3,9 and 4 have been created by 3rd parties, and the
same applies to A1 board).
So why shout so much for Amiga Inc?
They didn't payed employers, they didn't gived stuff
payed bu customers, they managed to split flames in the
community. Nothing more.
I honestly can't understand.
Probably this is something like soccer fanatics. They love a
team and hate the others. Why? They don't know, but they
hate them. This is the same thing.
Maybe going out and live... or even find out that IT means a
lot more than loving the name Amiga can help.
Just an example...
Dear Amiga inc leechers, can you explain me why
that fabolous system called A1 with OS4 (which is good
because it's done by people in the community, not by
Amiga Inc) doesn't even have a RSS feed reader? Neither
current Amiga has it. RSS is a promising tecnology that on
Amiga is not available at all.
Will you even understand that while you are loosing time
here defending people who did really bad things, IT goes on
and a lot of new things can't be done with your beloved
Amiga?
Will yoiu ever grow? Amiga VS Genesi is the same of C64 VS
ZXSpectrum or Atari VS Intellivision. But now we are adults.
We claim to be interested in real IT. Well, show it, because
many people here are loosing their free time (and someone
even work time) flaming for a name.
Personally, I'm studying RSS stuff right now and will
develop some tools in the next future, as well as I've
switched (since some months) from ARexx development to PHP
development. Life goes on... and sadly nowadays there are
really few thingas that yoiu can do on Amiga. Maybe when
people will understand this they'll try to spend better
their time than flaming about how good is Bill McEwen
and how bad is BBRV. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 306 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 03-Oct-2003 12:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 304 (DaveP):
> If slamming you is describing the foul mouthed trash you use in every reply
> to me guilty as charged.
Foul mouthed trash? Oh really Dave? Your stating this as a fact? Since that is a violation of ANN's posting rules, are you also stating as fact that ANN's management are shirking their duties in moderating foul mouth trash?
> You don't want to talk it over, fine. We will just continue as is.
I'm just fascinated now on where I posted this foul mouth trash on ANN. Do tell, I'm one of those "illiterate Americans" your Lord and Master Ben "I'm important" H. talks about so I probably couldn't read my own post correctly.
Oh, speaking of Ben "I'm important" H. is he going to demonstrate his superior intelligence in US Federal Court on behalf of Amiga Inc now their legal counsel has dumped them?
Dammy |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 307 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2003 12:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 303 (Rassilon):
Let's see if I get this right. Someone using an obviously fake "name" slams someone else also not using their real name and denounces them probably trolling because it upsets your believe that all is well with AInc?
Tell me - are you seriously under the impression that NOBODY has bought an AmigaOne at all? Well? |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 308 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2003 13:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 307 (Anonymous):
Forget it, Rassilon is a well known Amiga Inc supporter who will protect his precious heroes to the grave. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 309 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Targhan on 03-Oct-2003 13:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 269 (DaveP):
@DaveP
You missed the point. Because of past actions, the "core AW.net" crew is, and always will be, suspected of such. No amount of sugar glazing will make that donut taste good. This is a stigma that is not going to go away, so if several "core moderators" from AW.net post somewhere within the Amiga community--expect a very cautious reaction.
-Targhan |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 310 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Oct-2003 13:20 GMT | OT: I didn't know Dave_P was an AOS4 Beta Tester!!
What can you tell us? |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 311 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 13:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 308 (Anonymous):
Well for those who happen to have a problem with me using a nick my name is Lewis Brunton. Hope it makes you feel better.
I pointed out Mr Anonymous, because unlike him I am accountable in some respect at least through my nick. He is not.
If you BOTHERED to read my post you would realise my view on the Amiga Inc situation, which is not fanatical or worshipful, just matter of fact. If Amiga Inc goes under it would be a shame but not the end of all life on earth as we know it. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 312 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 13:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 311 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
Oh yeah and if MR anonymous would like to pick holes: You stated the the CAM coupon was valid against an AmigaOne AND/OR OS4
Well as you're being so picky you'll know that OS4 is not out yet, so therefore you cannot use your money back voucher for and A1 AND OS4 combo! |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 313 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 03-Oct-2003 13:31 GMT | About aw.net...
Ben Hermans showed, with his behaviour, that aw is a site
tied to Amiga Inc, that Amiga Inc don't want it to be
criticized.
It's also a proven fact that on aw censorship is done on
critics against amiga. Many people directly experienced that
censorship.
What this means is that aw is not a neutral
information/discussion place. It's a support site for a
commercial company and it should be considered in this way.
Do we need to talk anymore about it?
Only one more thing: while I find acepptable that a company
has its support forum, I think it's very bad that users and
moderators of that forum come to other sites trying to flame
and have people leave sites where real free discussion is
allowed.
Anyway, who cares about aw? |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 314 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2003 13:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 312 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
However, as even you must be able to work out, it CAN be used againsty an AmigaOne on its own, yet AInc refuse to honour it.
Yet you believe we should just shut up and let AInc walk all over us and not bother fulfilling their contractual obligations? Interesting... |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 315 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 13:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 313 (Gabriele Favrin):
Here we go another original thought and analogy:
I consider these sort of posts to be like reading the Daily Sport (Trash newspaper in the UK) - Sometimes there is a little truth behind the stories, but the way they are presented and discussed is sensationalist and only appreciated by the lowest common denominator. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 316 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 13:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 314 (Anonymous):
@ MR anonymous
I have not bothered to read up on the matter other than reading you quote - which clearly states AmigaOne AND/OR OS4.
Not meaning to be sarcastic as English may not be your first language, but AND means both - to be redeemed against an A1 with OS4. OS4 as we both know is not available yet
</pedantic> |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 317 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 13:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 316 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
@Mr anonymous (if that is your real name!)
another quick post to further my point.
If the actual voucher is phrased the same as your post then it is probably a loophole that Amiga are making use of. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 318 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 03-Oct-2003 13:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 316 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
"AND/OR" means " 'AND' or 'OR' " which is logically equivalent to "OR", not "AND." |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 319 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 13:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 318 (T_Bone):
@T_Bone
in this context: A1 AND OS4
or (no pun) OS4 on its own - which gives you A1 AND/OR OS4
I have just tried to find the original wording of the AInc announcement, no luck yet. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 320 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 03-Oct-2003 13:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 318 (T_Bone):
This is what I mean.. (For Samface :D)
0 AND/OR 0 = 0
0 AND/OR 1 = 1
1 AND/OR 0 = 1
1 AND/OR 1 = 1
0 OR 0 = 0
0 OR 1 = 1
1 OR 0 = 1
1 OR 1 = 1
Logically equivalent. AND/OR = OR
Not AND. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 321 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 13:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 319 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
I am doing a lot of replying to my own posts!!
@T_Bone I have re-read and re-read the wording and can also see you interpretation.
However we all know that Amiga Inc are not in a position to pay out, and no amount of flaming and slagging off on topics like these is going to change that. And ladies and Gentlemen..... THAT is THE point I am trying to make!
Thankyou and goodnight! |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 322 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 03-Oct-2003 14:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 313 (Gabriele Favrin):
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What this means is that aw is not a neutral
information/discussion place. It's a support site for a
commercial company and it should be considered in this way.
Do we need to talk anymore about it?
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If moderators, collaborators and AmigaInc blind followers of aw.net will continue to flame here happly, I will continue to flame on them twice!
Really it's unacceptable to read a tread that speack well and clear about Ainc situation and then read all the posts that manipulate "gently" the reality repeating "My God, it's false! FUD FUD"
AmigaInc has got some big problems, they will "solve" them going banckrupt and then we'll start again. (or better AmigaInc fanatics will restart again).
... as always from 1995 ... |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 323 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Robert on 03-Oct-2003 14:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 313 (Gabriele Favrin):
> Anyway, who cares about aw?
You!
Quite patently. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 324 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 03-Oct-2003 14:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 321 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
The and/or bit isn't an "interpretation", it's pure logic with no opinion, and no interpretation involved.
This is moot anyway as Amiga Inc. used just the word "OR" in this direct quote:
"When you join the "I am Amiga Club" for USD 50.00, (EUR 50.00, or GBP 32.50) you will
receive a shirt signifying your membership, a coupon that can be used for a USD 50.00 (EUR
50.00, or GBP 32.50) discount on an AmigaOne, or OS 4.0 (for those of you who wish to run
this new OS on your existing 3rd-party PPC cards) you will also receive a newsletter, and
throughout the next 12 months you will be the first to learn of new products. " |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 325 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2003 14:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 316 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
Oh dear.
The first rule when trying to show off your language skills is to understand the language first.
"Valid for the purchase of AmigaOne AND / OR AmigaOS4", as everyone with a reasonable grasp of English knows, means "Valid for the purchase of either AmigaOne, or Amiga One and AmigaOS4, or AmigaOS4".
Quit trying to score cheap points (your grasp of the English language is far too poor for that) and deal with realities for once.
Fact of the matter is, AInc are refusing to honour their legal obligation to those of us in the sCAM who hyave already bought AmigaOne systems, and you expect us all to lie down quietly and be walked over, and you are determined to shout down anyone who dares to complain about being lied to anc cheated by AInc. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 326 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 03-Oct-2003 14:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 324 (T_Bone):
Oh, and to be pedantic, notice they used the term "Discount" NOT "Rebate".
The difference between a discount and a rebate, is the "Discount" is applied at the *time of purchase* not afterwards, as in a "Rebate".
Everyone who has purchased an AmigaOne, has failed to get a "discount". Maybe they will get a rebate later on, maybe not. Weather or not they finally comply, it will still only be a rebate, not the discount they agreed to. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 327 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 03-Oct-2003 14:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 318 (T_Bone):
> "AND/OR" means " 'AND' or 'OR' " which is logically equivalent to "OR", not
> "AND."
Indeed :-) However, we use to say "and/or" rather than just "or" because the "or" we use is more like the boolean xor (or the Latin "aut") rather than the boolean "or" (or the latin "vel").
Either case, though, Rassilon is wrong... |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 328 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MIKE on 03-Oct-2003 14:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 316 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
AmigaOne and/or AmigaOS4, this means either product, those were the original terms of the coupon. The purchase of either product was to result in the ability to redeem the coupon. I'll leave it to you to split hairs about whether the AmigaONE Eyetech is selling is really the AmigaOne advertised in the coupon deal. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 329 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 03-Oct-2003 14:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 257 (Atheist2):
Posted by Atheist2 (24.69.255.237) on 03-Oct-2003 02:39:35
Hi Rich Woods.
That link leads me to
/*
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /amigabk/lasnikorderleave.pdf on this server.
*/
What's the point of all this? Do you not want me to buy an AmigaOne? What do you want me to spend my money on instead? Please explain (and please excuse my inability to understand you. But I may be able to if you explian your actions and the reasons behind them.)
AmigaOne! I'm going to buy One anyway.
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Point of it all is you're locked out of the server for being a smart ass in previous posts. you got all bothered by the pictures I had so in order not to offend you I locked you out so you can't go offend yourself.
Buy AmigaOne? What's your point? I don't care what you buy or don't buy. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 330 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 03-Oct-2003 14:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 265 (dammy):
Posted by dammy (Trusted user) on 03-Oct-2003 05:02:31
In Reply to Comment 262:
> Hello....hey look, just becuz some lawyers quit...it is still possible that
> Amiga could defend themselves in court...you don't HAVE to have lawyer..
> it helps (if you win)...if they do as poor a job as they did in coming out
> with timely products they won't fare tooo well....
In Federal Court, AFAIK, if you start out with a lawyer, you must continue on with a lawyer, you lose the right to represent yourself.
Dammy
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Federal court requires corporations to be represented by a licensed attorney - licensed to practice in Federal courts. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 331 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LegEag on 03-Oct-2003 15:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 330 (Rich Woods):
How long does Amiga Incorporated have to retain council? Have they found legal representation yet? |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 332 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 03-Oct-2003 15:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 331 (LegEag):
Posted by LegEag (216.127.82.99) on 03-Oct-2003 17:12:25
In Reply to Comment 330:
How long does Amiga Incorporated have to retain council? Have they found legal representation yet?
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Don't know - just the order signed by Judge Lasnik. It is likely he spoke and gave his opinion on the length of time Amiga would be allowed to retain counsel.
Considering they have no money - they can't retain counsel. Thus the case is lost by default. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 333 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 15:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 293 (Eva):
And you know this because..... Oh right, you *don't* know
Cheers |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 334 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by smithy on 03-Oct-2003 15:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 304 (DaveP):
>If slamming you is describing the foul mouthed trash you use in every reply to
>me guilty as charged.
I suppose you must be not-guilty then, because I've not seen dammy use any foul language - and certainly not in this thread. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 335 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Linus Gustafsson on 03-Oct-2003 15:30 GMT | | If everybody were as concerned about the legal status of the companies they bought stuff from as you guys are this world would almost be a paradise. But since that is not the case this world sucks. And I know that most of you don´t care about how any company besides Amiga Inc behaves. You´re moral is just a fake. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 336 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by smithy on 03-Oct-2003 15:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 313 (Gabriele Favrin):
>What this means is that aw is not a neutral
>information/discussion place. It's a support site for a
>commercial company and it should be considered in this way.
Many other official support sites (actually run by the given company) don't even have such censorship. For example, I've recently bought Homeworld 2, so I've been paying close attention to the Homeworld 2 forums, run by the game's publisher. Negative comments are quite commonplace, but they are constructive, and not of the "HW2 is crap" sort.
If an official forum has no problem with tolerating and accepting constructive critiscm, then why can't an unofficial support site? (AW.net). |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 337 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by T_Bone on 03-Oct-2003 15:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 335 (Linus Gustafsson):
Um, the company in question has failed to deliver the agreed goods to 100%, that's *100%* of the customers that participated. Show me any other compan that gets away with that.
In the REAL WORLD if a company only failed to honor it's commitments to 2% of it's customers, it's front page news!! Amiga Inc has it EASY! They've actually failed to deliver and people who have been on the recieving end don't care!!
Anyone saying people are being "hard" on Amiga are out of their mind. They don't know what "hard" is. Trolls in forums? oooooOOOoooo! That's rough!
Company fails to deliver, to 100% of the customers participating, and they must endure chatroom trolls! Oh! It's just too over the top! The punishment is just too harsh! "Your honor, we shouldn't face any penalty, we've been punished enough by having to endure threads saying bad stuff about us!!"
Jeesh. :/ |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 338 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Oct-2003 15:49 GMT | This and/or discussion is pointless. OS4 isn't out, that's true. But
you *can* buy it. In fact, if you buy an AmigaOne, you buy an AmigaOne
*and* OS4. So there's no question the coupons should be honoured by
AInc, and there wouldn't be even if the coupon said "and" rather than
"and/or". |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 339 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 03-Oct-2003 15:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 325 (Anonymous):
@anonymous
You really are an ungracious arsehole!
If you bothered to read my comments you would see two things:
1)I conceeded your point on the interpretation of the AND/OR situation
2)You would realise that I DO NOT WORSHIP Amiga Inc.
If you can't be bothered to read fine, but don't but don't use it as an inept reason to keep spouting your crap opinion about my views of which you obviously have no clue as you have not read them! |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 340 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 15:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 302 (dammy):
Drop the act Dammy, it ain't cute.
I'm not going to call you an idiot, or illiterate, but you are however, an arrogant annoying little troll.
Ever heard of winning an argument with reasonning or logic? Seems all you can/will do is personal attacks,also why do you sling mud at Ben Hermans in nearly every post you make? A fixation the guy?
Cheers |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 341 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 15:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 306 (dammy):
You just posted a whole load of trash
Cheers |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 342 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 15:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 309 (Targhan):
Things will settle down once Ainc either straighten their act, or AOS4 comes out i guess.
Cheers |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 343 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MarkTime on 03-Oct-2003 16:02 GMT | well I see not everyone is getting along yet.
Actually, I enjoy the passionate threads, get it all out, its healthy.
The state of amigadom is not static, and not unchanging.
The Amigainc loyalists have always been amazingly tight group of sheep.
But now, I see, and actually happy to see, that the detractors have formed
around a 2nd position, and of course, let's not forget to say a word about AROS and a possible 3rd position....and what we have now, is not simply
a group taking the negative stance, but a group formed around new positive directions.
And starting to see some teamwork coming together as well.
I, for one, am darn happy about these turn of events....its only because of them that the flamefests are getting longer and more vocal...a temporary
situation...however.
as the tide continues, something is becoming evident...the amigainc clubbers
are only keeping this, apparantly a two sided conversation, by doing double
duty to make constant posts and responses. That's why you have Mikey making 30 posts, because where once there were 30 clubbers to make individual posts, now there is only the one.
The numbers are few already.
As it should be. The fact is, you cannot defend a company that is immoral.
It's not as simple, as agree to disagree, who can stand by, and watch
as people spend almost a thousand dollars on a motherboard, when you know
that motherboard doesn't run OS 4 yet, and that Amiga, Inc. may not be around,
and the whole idea, that IP doesn't revert to gateway or won't be distributed
in a bankruptcy action, is a very risky proposition, given to us as comfort
by the same people who repeatedly lie anyway.
no....can't stand by idly and watch that happen to your friends. It's not simply a 'choice.' |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 344 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 16:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 322 (Eva):
Going bankrupt wouldn't solve the issue of those duped, unless the sale of Ainc raises enough money to pay them.
Either way, the situation needs rectifying ASAP, be it with or without the current Ainc.
Cheers |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 345 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 03-Oct-2003 16:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 330 (Rich Woods):
> Federal court requires corporations to be represented by a licensed attorney - > licensed to practice in Federal courts.
I stand corrected then. Guess that means the judge won't be impressed with Ben "I'm important" H's law skills then. ;)
Dammy. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 346 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 16:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 345 (dammy):
Why do you keep dragging Ben into this? Honestly, what's your point?
Cheers |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 347 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ChickTunt on 03-Oct-2003 17:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 335 (Linus Gustafsson):
I wonder if that really was Linus Posting here ?
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 348 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by pixie on 03-Oct-2003 18:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 300 (Anonymous):
> I really hope Amiga Inc dies very soon.
I also used to think that Commodore demise was a great thing, well time showed it wasn't.
@all:
When I hear all this exodus crap from the ones who really ought to know better all I can do is laught! Do you espect us (readers) to be some kind of retards that can only watch a site at a time? Since when having more sites with Amiga content is a bad thing? Since when looking at diferent thoughs is a bad? What's the problem of having an AmigaOS4&DE oriented site? I don't see MorphOS sites with AmigaOS4&DE news either...
How can you cry that AW is a censor, and at the same time claim that it shouldn't exist, or that it should conform to your own standards!? When some of you avoid AW, aren't you censoring yourself?
When you acess some site aren't you full aware what to expect?
Wake up and smell the coffe!
Just my 0,02€ |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 349 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Oct-2003 19:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 326 (T_Bone):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Everyone who has purchased an AmigaOne, has failed to get a "discount". Maybe they will get a rebate later on, maybe not. Weather or not they finally comply, it will still only be a rebate, not the discount they agreed to.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
If Both Eyetech and Hyperion have stated that the $50 coupons will not be honoured by themselves (they have stated this), then how exactly is one to obtain this discount?
If you print out this post, you can get a £5000000 discount on the next car you buy.*
*May not be honoured by all car dealers, discount appies only at time of purchase. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Judge Lasnik Grants Leave For Amiga's Former Attorneys : Comment 350 of 427 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 03-Oct-2003 20:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 349 (Matt Parsons):
*According to Fleecy, the supposed "AmigaOne" boards shipping at the moment are not AmigaOnes. Hence they do not qualify for the discount. An AmigaOne, according to Fleecy, is the Amiga-licensed PPC board fro Eyetech, AND a copy of OS 4.
*(Information from "Ask Fleecy" (c) AmigaWorld.Net) |
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