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Posted on 20-Nov-2003 01:47 GMT by Rich Woods115 comments
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11/12/2003 REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions. (RS, ) (Entered: 11/18/2003)

Bill McEwen requests delay in the Thendic-Amiga trial (by personal letter on Amiga stationary with the Ravensdale PO Box address) - pro se.

We are in the process of locating new council (sic) for Amiga as well as finishing up our investment round so that we will be able to move foward with proper representation.

While I fully expect Amiga will have the funding and council (sic) located before the requested extension......

Get the file Here

REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 1 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 20-Nov-2003 00:51 GMT
Samamyface -

Please have some decency and don't make this your personal thread with constant posts about nothing involving this matter.

Please start your own thread as you are "first" and can handle your own rah rah people.

Thanks.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 2 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by stevey on 20-Nov-2003 01:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Rich Woods):
Yes, lets not turn this into a slagging match started by either side. First person to follow this post with a troll deserves the comunities condemnation from all sides.

About time things stayed sane around here....
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 3 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Nov-2003 02:11 GMT
I wonder if Amiga's old lawyer told them that they'd NEED representation during this time. Shouldn't they have told Bill that the Judge isn't going to let them fire the lawyers and rehire them before the court date just to save money?
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 4 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 20-Nov-2003 02:14 GMT
This lawsuit should be thrown out of court on the basis of it being a case of harassment and attempted forced bankruptcy through underhanded tactics. (Genesi wants Amiga Inc. to spend money they don't have.)


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! We'll be here tomorrow, will you?
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 5 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 20-Nov-2003 02:20 GMT
Oh no... this has gone on long enough.

Another 60 days is surely just delaying the inevitable. Where they expect to get funding from is beyond me.

I hope that Judge Lasnik sees this request for what it is and refuses to delay any further.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 6 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Nov-2003 03:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Atheist2):
How would the lawsuit force Amiga into bankruptcy if being $2million in the hole doesn't?

Win or Lose, I don't see them filing bankruptcy either way. Actually I forsee a slight income if they Lose!
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 7 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Nov-2003 03:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Atheist2):
>This lawsuit should be thrown out of court on the basis of it being a case of harassment and attempted forced bankruptcy through underhanded tactics.

It should be concluded in a way or another. If something is harassment, it's Amiga Inc.'s desperate measures to postbone the trial till 2046 or further.

>(Genesi wants Amiga Inc. to spend money they don't have.)

Thats not what I read. I read "... I fully expect that Amiga will have the funding...".

But as we all know this is BS .. there are no funds, and there will not be funds. What this case reflects most is that USA's law system is a joke and seems like the judges are pretty fucking incompetent aswell. What a waste of (tax payers) money.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 8 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 20-Nov-2003 04:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (hooligan/dcs):
> It should be concluded in a way or another. If something is harassment,
> it's Amiga Inc.'s desperate measures to postbone the trial till 2046 or
> further.

He, he. So that's the year they'll turn a profit? Having released AOS4.0 the year before?


IMHO, Genesi made a HUGE mistake wasting their time with PPC.

Genesi HAD a pool of cash, and has a DEDICATED base of employees, and enthusiasts.

You SHOULD have teamed up with the AROS guys, bought their sources, re-vamped them, hired some of the coders already working on it.

The other thing is, you should have gone to Taiwan/Hong Kong, and found a motherboard producer, told them about your plans, and see if they'd commit to a pattern of making backward compatible boards.

If not that, then not being really comcerened if it worked on a wide variety of boards, but on one currently produced board.

I'm talking about a strictly x86 solution, is what you should have pursued.


Instead you spent (wads?) of cash on R&D, for a sale of 600 boards?!?

You didn't seem phased by not having AOS3.x souce code, so x86 shouldn't have been a big deal.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 9 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Nov-2003 04:36 GMT
At least Genesi are wasting lots of money for a very little.. I'd have dropped the case long time ago. That said, I don't know the details behind the scene so ...
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 10 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Nov-2003 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Atheist2):
Actually I think that applies to Amiga too.

Except, if you go x86, don't bother using proprietary hardware.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 11 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 20-Nov-2003 05:23 GMT
I can already see the benchmarks between AmigaOS4 and Aros. AmigaOS4 doesn't stand a chance.

If AROS gets more help and improves, AmigaOS4 is gonna fade out of existance.

I have burned a CD with AROS on it. Other than the unaccelerated bit, it's very good. 8)
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 12 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Nov-2003 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ronald):
How about you stick to the subject at hand rather than making this some
purile pointless AROS v AOS4 flamewar.

Thank you.

Dave.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 13 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 20-Nov-2003 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Atheist2):
>>>>
This lawsuit should be thrown out of court on the basis of it being a case of harassment and attempted forced bankruptcy through underhanded tactics. (Genesi wants Amiga Inc. to spend money they don't have.)
>>>>
First of all the Thendic is the ninth lawsuit filed against Amiga Inc, are the other eight harassment in your opinion too?? Did Airborne Express just decide one day to harass Amiga Inc, do you think their landlord just sued them for back rent because its fun, do you think they got locked out and their stuff auctioned off because they have no money problems?? I dont understand most of the Amiga Inc defendors, do you think that you could not pay your rent or mortgage on your apartment, house or condo for months on end, and you wouldnt get sued, locked out and kicked out?? Do you guys live in your parents basements, so you dont know about paying bills?? How McEwen got people to buy into the grand conspiracy against him by Gateway then H&P then Petro & now Genesi I will never know, if someone doesnt pay there bills, lies to me about whats happening and then steals money from me, I dont worship him as the second coming, however the Sheeplord has gathered a bunch to worship what he has now declared an Amiga.
-Tig
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 14 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2003 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Tigger):
Blind hatred is just as foolish as blind adoration.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 15 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Nov-2003 07:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Rich Woods):
1. Why do you make it personal by calling me names?

2. Who said my request for the documents to be authentic and available for everyone would have anything with you as a person?

Stop playing this game, Rich. I'd say you're the one making it personal because I did what you for some reason didn't want to happen.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 16 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Nov-2003 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (samface):
@Samface

Do you know what the definition of "trolling" is? It is effectively baiting, he is baiting
you and you keep falling for it. :-(

Why dont you just reply with a link to your site every time he posts some news
item like this, if you have the material yourself?

Regards

Dave.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 17 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 20-Nov-2003 07:36 GMT
At http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/show_case_doc_3,16781,,,,1.pdf

The products that Thendic want AmigaDE to work on is.
It says in
---------------------
Appendix A
1. List of Thendic products:
Cashboy, Mobicash, Transponder - Smart Chip Readers, Cashboy@Home, Windows CE terminal or "Smartboy"

2. Right to Expand List. Thendic has the right with the consent of Amiga at any time to add new products to this list and to thereby implicate Amiga's obligations under the Agreement to integrate the Licensed Software into such additional Thendic Products. Amiga will not unreasonably withold consent to expand the list of Thendic Products.
---------------------

In part 1, how many of those products have been released?

In part 2, the argument is that Intent, which AmigaDE runs on, doesn't run on PPC, right? SO, AmigaDE doesn't have to be ported over to the Pegasos? Amiga have to give consent, AND be reasonable.

Now the word "unreasonably" has to be fought over, too.

Also, when does the period of having to meet these obligations expire?


"The Perils of Rosella" doesn't hold a candle to Amiga!
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 18 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 20-Nov-2003 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Atheist2):
@Atheist2:

>AmigaOne! AOS4.0! We'll be here tomorrow, will you?

Did you leave AmigaDE off on purpose? Becouse THAT is product of Amiga inc, and Amiga inc. is what this thread is about...
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 19 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 20-Nov-2003 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (DaveP):
>Why dont you just reply with a link to your site every time he posts some news
>item like this, if you have the material yourself?

Well, this one was quite unexpected (is he visiting the court clerk everyday or something?). I'll be looking into it tonight and post a link ASAP.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 20 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 20-Nov-2003 09:02 GMT
I can't imagine the judge will grant this. It's kindergarten what is going on. Amiga Inc. want 60 days to get ready. Where were they for the *last* 60 days? If the law is that corporations must have legal counsel, it seems to me that the prospect of the judge delaying this because McEwen sent a fax with some promises ('finalizing our latest round of funding') is pretty unlikely.

Today was the deadline wasn't it? The summary judgement is limited to the Amiga Inc. counterclaim IIRC. We'll see how that goes, but after that Amiga Inc. will probably hang on for some more months. They can do that because it doesn't cost much to send a fax now and then. It's bad for the community because people don't get resolution and don't get to move on to the next thing, but Amiga Inc. just uses the community to cash in with periodic T-shirt and coupon scams. I wouldn't be surprised to see another such scam in the near future.

I see where Samface implies in this thread that Rich Woods posted documents that were not authentic, but that is just trolling until Samface gives some proof. I am very much against the surveillance type stuff Rich has done, but he has done a real service to the community by getting hold of the legal documents and making them available, like this one. Bill McEwen and his latest round of funding, yeah right, keep stringing us and the judge along Bill, you can BS your way out of anything right? ;)
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 21 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton on 20-Nov-2003 09:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Tigger):
@Tigger

The reason that I support Amiga Inc, other than I like the products they plan to produce (Most noteably OS4) is because they were dealt a bad hand.

They have made some monumentally stupid decisions, but along the way they have been let down many times.

A few examples could be the various partnershis that have been lost. But the biggest loss is that of royalties, where from H&P!!

Now I don't profess to understand the legal ins and outs of their contract, but we do know that H&P licenced the right to produce OS3.5/9 from Amiga Inc, who never received any licence money. Worse still H&P brought out Amithlon/AmigaXL with OS3.9 on it and still failed to pay the licence fee.

Now I don't think that the fee's received would have been much, but money is money, and losing support from one of your community partners (H&P) is quite a blow.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 22 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 20-Nov-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
No, you've got it wrong. Amiga Inc are actually the evil spawn of Beelzebub and are merely here to cheat the poor innocent Amiga users out of $50.

Or at least that's how some people seem to see it.

Me? I just hope this stupid court case gets over and done with one way or the other. I mean Genesi didn't even produce ANY of the devices for AmigaDE to be ported onto that were in the original contract, so it seems ridiculous that they're suing Amiga Inc for not porting Intent to PPC (which was NOT on the original list). It's a joke.

Ian
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 23 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 20-Nov-2003 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Jupp3):
Jupp3 says:

> Did you leave AmigaDE off on purpose? Becouse THAT is product of
> Amiga inc, and Amiga inc. is what this thread is about...

I guess it's been a year since the Amiga Inc. crowd were bragging about the Nokia MediaTerminal deal they had closed or were supposedly finalizing. That crashed and burned, assuming it was ever a genuine deal in the first place. Today I noticed an ad for the Nokia N-Gage wireless device http://www.attwireless.com/ngage/. It has Tombraider and other rather advanced (and multiplayer) games on it. This is way above the Amiga Inc. stuff. Is it safe to say that DE is dead now, or are people still trying to prop up the illusion?
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 24 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 20-Nov-2003 09:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Daniel Miller):
>> This is way above the Amiga Inc. stuff. Is it safe to say that DE is dead now, or are people still trying to prop up the illusion?

Hmmm, well Genesi seem to want it on Pegasos! What could possibly be the reasons for that I wonder...

Ian
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 25 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 20-Nov-2003 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Rassilon AKA Lewis Brunton):
Rassilon says:

> A few examples could be the various partnershis that have been lost.
> But the biggest loss is that of royalties, where from H&P!!

> Now I don't profess to understand the legal ins and outs of their
> contract, but we do know that H&P licenced the right to produce
> OS3.5/9 from Amiga Inc, who never received any licence money. Worse
> still H&P brought out Amithlon/AmigaXL with OS3.9 on it and still
> failed to pay the licence fee.

Maybe, but are you wasn't Amiga Inc. supposed to compensate H&P for doing the development work on Amiga OS? Maybe it is really Amiga Inc. who owes H&P some money for developing 3.5 and 3.9.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 26 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 20-Nov-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (IanS):
> Me? I just hope this stupid court case gets over and done with one way
> or the other. I mean Genesi didn't even produce ANY of the devices for
> AmigaDE to be ported onto that were in the original contract, so it
> seems ridiculous that they're suing Amiga Inc for not porting Intent to
> PPC (which was NOT on the original list). It's a joke.

> Ian

I think some of those devices were made.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 27 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 20-Nov-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Miller):
Posted by Daniel Miller (171.75.63.57) on 20-Nov-2003 10:02:27

I can't imagine the judge will grant this. It's kindergarten what is going on. Amiga Inc. want 60 days to get ready. Where were they for the *last* 60 days? If the law is that corporations must have legal counsel, it seems to me that the prospect of the judge delaying this because McEwen sent a fax with some promises ('finalizing our latest round of funding') is pretty unlikely.
-----------------
The judge pretty much let the parties know that if Amiga doesn't have counsel he will grant a summary judgement.

billyboy and his 15 month tirade of "funding is just around the corner" - well it just doesn't cut it anymore. He doesn't hav a letter of intent or any substantiative documentation there actually is "funding" going on.And his word is worth less and less everytime he pro se sends a document to the judge.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 28 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Daniel Miller):
The AInc-Nokia deal was much like that famous Lindows-Netscape deal.

Nokia's system ran Linux. The "AmigaDE Player" has already been made to work on Linux. So there you go, AInc instantly have a "new platform" for AmigaDE. Unfortunately Nokia figured out what anyone with a brain could have told them before they started - a complete Linux PC is an interesting research platform but it does not make a cheap, quiet or usable set top box. So they scrapped it.

Nokia aren't alone in having discovered obvious things about consumer hardware the hard way, nor are AInc the first desperate tech company to lose lots of money because they didn't know that. Sony did all the hardware R&D for a complete range of home devices that were supposed to be cheap web-browser/ email/ etc commodities for use in the kitchen, living room etc. Be Inc did the software. Units were shipped to customers, but then Sony figured out what a bad idea it was and recalled every last one. No more money for Be.

The rule is: If you can't see how it will work, maybe it won't work. If you don't believe it will work, don't accept any deal in which making money is conditional on it actually working. Confidence men like Bill McEwen fall for this sort of stuff very easily because the same psychology that allows them to trick others also allows them to be tricked. That's almost certainly why AInc hasn't fired Fleecy Moss (can you think of any practical use for Fleecy "insert techno-babble" Moss at AInc?)
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 29 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2003 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Rich Woods):
15 months sounds wrong, do you have documentation for that?

AInc's funding problems have existed since at least summer 2001, we know that because in late 2001 Alan said that he'd put the original A1-1200 project on hold that summer due to lack of progress on OS4 attributed to funding problems at AInc.

The "fix" for this was for Eyetech and Hyperion to shoulder the entire R&D burden for the AmigaOne and OS4 in November 2001, almost exactly TWO years ago. They immediately promised hardware & software to be available early in 2002. In interview Ben said that AInc were doing NOTHING towards OS4 development.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 30 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Nov-2003 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Atheist2):
"In part 2, the argument is that Intent, which AmigaDE runs on, doesn't run on PPC, right?"

Intent does run on PPC. To make it run on a particular device, there also has to be a Platform Interface layer to address the specific hardware or host OS.

Check out Tao's web site.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 31 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 20-Nov-2003 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
 REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 29 of 29

Posted by Anonymous (82.68.41.196) on 20-Nov-2003 10:51:51

In Reply to Comment 27:
15 months sounds wrong, do you have documentation for that?
--------------
Yes - go to sammyface's site - http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/

If you don't want to go thru every document let me know and I'll tell you what file to get at the following directory.

http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 32 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Nov-2003 10:13 GMT
Technically... isn't this an "Executive Update"? :-D
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 33 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by ikir_spirit on 20-Nov-2003 10:15 GMT
"AmigaOS4 doesn't stand a chance.
If AROS gets more help and improves, AmigaOS4 is gonna fade out of existance."

Ah ah ah ah! Ultra trolling! You win the TROLL championship!

I don't understand this hate versus OS4, Amiga Inc..... grow up childrens.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 34 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Nov-2003 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Matt Parsons):
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ooooh that haahahahahahahahaurts.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 35 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 20-Nov-2003 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Matt Parsons):
Posted by Matt Parsons (62.140.196.133) on 20-Nov-2003 11:13:38

Technically... isn't this an "Executive Update"? :-D
------------
No, akey hasn't posted it on Amiga, Inc website.

But I understand everything is "on schedule and rockin'"!
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 36 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 20-Nov-2003 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Atheist2):
You miss one fundamental basis in your issue. That being that many of the Genesi people like and prefer the PPC and want a solution based on it.

What part of driven don't you get?

I think you'd have to claw the PPC processor out of Ralph Schmidt's cold dead brain before you'd see him go off into the sunset and work on x86 based stuff, but don't take my word for it. The same might be applied to many who work there.
And so what? I wish them luck in what they do. I like the x86 as its versatile, plentiful, adaptable and cheap. If someone makes a solution based on another processor, that offers similar benefits then I'll use it as well.

So, IMHO, the solution may not be jump to x86 for every senario. It may well be just better execution of plans and ideas on PPC, without cockups, and by the right people, in the right teams, with the right attitude, at the right time.

I have yet to see the above circumstance come together, but you never know.

AdmV
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 37 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 20-Nov-2003 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (AdmV):
So, IMHO, the solution may not be jump to x86 for every senario. It may well be just better execution of plans and ideas on PPC, without cockups, and by the right people, in the right teams, with the right attitude, at the right time.

I have yet to see the above circumstance come together, but you never know.

AdmV
----------------------------------


And the A1000 was born!!!!! :)))))))))))))


Amiga!
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 38 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Nov-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Atheist2):
Genesi HAD a pool of cash, and has a DEDICATED base of employees, and enthusiasts.
--

Wrong... "HAD"="HAS"

You SHOULD have teamed up with the AROS guys, bought their sources, re-vamped them, hired some of the coders already working on it.
--

They did and they still do. MorphOS uses AROS code.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 39 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Nov-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Atheist2):
Intent DOES work on PowerPC but that's just one point.
One of the OBLIGATIONS Amiga Inc has is that they must not IGNORE requests
for expansion of the list. Ignoring == Breaking the contract.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 40 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by tonya on 20-Nov-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
pegasos is going x86... along with intent....sounds like trolling to me...
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 41 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by me on 20-Nov-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
how many of the said products has genesi produced and physically provided to AInc to make AmigaDE on it/them ?

I very suprised to see this - Most Amiga crowd hate AInc and its product AmigaDE (calling it non Amiga /useless).

Genesi camp say they dont need Amiga sw/AmigaDE and that our Morphos is great.

All this lawsuit is for Genesi to get AMIGADE - wow is AmigaDE that good ?

hmm. im getting more and more interested in what AmigaDE is all about.

conserning the case document:

I think Ainc agreed to that more items can be discussed and agreed at a later date. Once the current list has been produced at Genesi.


Genesi is saying :
Appendix A
1. List of Thendic products:
Cashboy, Mobicash, Transponder - Smart Chip Readers, Cashboy@Home, Windows CE terminal or "Smartboy"

= Pegasos

2. Right to Expand List. Thendic has the right with the consent of Amiga at any time to add new products to this list and to thereby implicate Amiga's obligations under the Agreement to integrate the Licensed Software into such additional Thendic Products. Amiga will not unreasonably withold consent to expand the list of Thendic Products

= we can make anything with consent to run on AmigaDE. yet consent it seems was not given.


go figure !
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 42 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by gabrielh on 20-Nov-2003 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (T_Bone):
@T_Bone

<<Actually I forsee a slight income if they Lose!>>

A slight income? Based on what? A $4.50 royalty fee for shipped copies of the DE? Now lets see - 600 Pegasos @ $4.50 each... $2700. Now, how much does it actually cost Amiga in terms of manpower and other resources to get the DE ported to Pegasos?

Being forced to port the DE to Pegasos would be a disaster for Amiga Inc. They need *big* customers, not small fry like Genesi.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 43 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by gabrielh on 20-Nov-2003 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Daniel Miller):
<<Amiga Inc. just uses the community to cash in with periodic T-shirt and coupon scams. I wouldn't be surprised to see another such scam in the near future.>>

Oh, yes. The grand genius of Bill & co - those scams! Never mind that they have poured their personal fortunes into Amiga and seen almost nothing in return as yet. Oh, yes, they spent all those million$ just so they could scam those poor gullible Amiga users.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 44 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 20-Nov-2003 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (ikir_spirit):
<<<Ah ah ah ah! Ultra trolling! You win the TROLL championship!

I don't understand this hate versus OS4, Amiga Inc..... grow up childrens.>>>

Foreclosure of a dream.

Amiga could have had financing from Intel (Like Be Inc. had) to support the new AmigaOS4 on the Intel platform. IIRC Intel invested millions into Be Inc. Amiga doesn't have the money like Apple to offer a total solution. Apple has billions at the bank. Amiga has 100$. This thread is just another of the many on how Amiga Inc. is in deep trouble.

Unless Bill has a card he hasn't dealt already, I doubt that the new non-commodore Amigas are going to be successful. I'll buy one (the Lite version) for my living room. But Amiga Inc. need to grow a user base to at least 100'000 users just for them to make a profit. You can't just market to the fanatics (like you Ikir). It's very hopeless at this point.

On the other hand if AROS keeps pressing on, could have the biggest Amiga user base of all (more than both Genesi and Amiga combined). Integrate SNAP video drivers from SciTech, POSIX compliance a good dual-boot program and a full USB implementation (1.1 and 2.0). And you'll have an AmigaOS clone screaming at 3.2GHz with Hyperthreading. :D

Plus the user doesn't have to change his (or her) hardware for expensive and lower speed ones. Going from 1.7GHz to 933MHz doesn't make any sense at all.

BTW it's "children". No "S" at the end of "children". :D
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 45 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by gabrielh on 20-Nov-2003 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Rich Woods):
<<billyboy and his 15 month tirade of "funding is just around the corner" - well it just doesn't cut it anymore.>>

You know, I'm going to laugh long and loud when Amiga *does* get funding and your bluff is called.

<<He doesn't hav a letter of intent or any substantiative documentation there actually is "funding" going on.>>

And you know this, how, exactly?

<<And his word is worth less and less everytime he pro se sends a document to the judge.>>

I think you should leave that up to the judge to decide. You wouldn't want to get egg on your face, now, would you?
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 46 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by ghauber on 20-Nov-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (gabrielh):
mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

well, now i've rememberd my trusted user account name/password.

heh.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 47 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Nov-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Atheist2):
>I'm talking about a strictly x86 solution, is what you should have pursued [...] Instead you spent (wads?) of cash on R&D

Just recently all major console makers have moved towards PPC for future consoles. If PPC was an inferior solution re x86, why is everyone there hopping on the waggon and using it instead of just buying an el cheapo x86 board for 15$ manufacturing costs? PPC has its advantage. These advantages might only fully kick in if you sell many boards or target very dedicated niches (low power + good performance) but I'm sure PPC has its advantages. One of them is the endianess issue. As you might know AROS on x68 can not run Amiga applications compiled for big endianess. MorphOS does just that and at good speed SEAMLESSLY (ie not in a box eternally restricted to an OS3 API).
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 48 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 20-Nov-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (gabrielh):
>Being forced to port the DE to Pegasos would be a disaster for Amiga Inc.
>They need *big* customers, not small fry like Genesi.

I really cannot help but comment on this. I find it hilarious you say Amiga Inc needs *big* customers and that Genesi is small fry. Umm.. Last time I checked Genesi *IS* much bigger and financially solvent than Amiga Inc. Why is it you think they can or will land a *big* customer when they have a proven track record that they can't supply to what you call small customers? IMHO Amiga Inc is refusing to out of spite plain and simple. It's this tactic that will finally burry them.
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 49 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Nov-2003 15:05 GMT
Does anyone know if Bill got his delay? Or do we find out tomorrow?
REQUEST by Defendant Amiga Inc for a delay in any decisions : Comment 50 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Nov-2003 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (redrumloa):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
IMHO Amiga Inc is refusing to out of spite plain and simple. It's this tactic that will finally burry them
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I don't think it's spite, that would make too much sense... no, From the word go, I've not been able to make Head nor Tail or their Strategy... It sort of made sense when we discovered they thought AmigaDE would actually function as an OS in it's own right... But from there on, none of this makes any sense, nothing at all.

Somebody is either on the make, or tremendously stupid....
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