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[Files] OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOSANN.lu
Posted on 22-Nov-2003 15:35 GMT by Benjamin Vernoux38 comments
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New OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS With a 68k version and a native PPC MorphOS version Available on my Web page http://www.chez.com/titan/OpenPciUK.html News in V1.20 - MorphOS : Optimized for PPC604e or more - Amithlon : Added powerpci 2.x support now that require powerpci.library 2.x Bug corrected in Amithlon (PowerPci) wrapper registernum and val was reversed thanks to Guido Mersmann - Grex : Fixed pci_outw/l() and pci_write_config_word/long() this functions was broken Fixed Interrupt code
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 1 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 22-Nov-2003 17:32 GMT
w00t!

Hey, when are we going to see a mediator version (nudge nudge) :D
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 2 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 22-Nov-2003 17:39 GMT
Here's what it says about the Mediator on their web page:
"Information: The mediator support of a well-known company is definitively canceled because of their poor developer policy and their questionable attitude towards customers."
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 3 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 22-Nov-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Ronald):
I know, but having OpenPCI not available on the Mediator, pretty much just rewards Elbox for being... well, the way they are.

Customers of the companies with "poor developer policies, and questionable attitudes towards customers" would benefit from OpenPCI even more than everyone else would.

Heck, I think it'd be a great idea!
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 4 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Nov-2003 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (T_Bone):
@T_Bone

I gather Elbox resorted to threats, resulting in the OpenPCI author deciding he's better off without the hassle.

OpenPCI is a major threat to Elbox' core policy, which is to retain total control over the drivers and hardware than can be used in conjunction with the Mediator cards, as doing so allows them to charge extra for the hardware and again for the drivers, with minimal investment in development.

Unfortunately, such stories are typical of the Amiga scene rather than tragic exceptions. Looking at everyone's plans for the future, this prevalence of confrontational attitudes seems unlikely to disappear.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 5 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Cardiac on 22-Nov-2003 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (T_Bone):
I have to agree
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 6 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Sanjiv on 22-Nov-2003 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Hoggett):
<<I gather Elbox resorted to threats, resulting in the OpenPCI>>
<<author deciding he's better off without the hassle.>>

That's what killfiles are for, for ignoring people.

<<OpenPCI is a major threat to Elbox' core policy, which is to retain total>>
<<control over the drivers and hardware than can be used in conjunction with>>
<<the Mediator cards, as doing so allows them to charge extra for the hardware>>
<<and again for the drivers, with minimal investment in development.>>

That's Elbox's problem. The law does not protect that business model.
Given Elbox's history of using trojan data destroying code in their drivers, anything they threaten legally is safely ignored. Let them bleat like sheep.
Openpci on mediator would quickly become the defacto environment used on the mediator, because even us mediator users hate using elbox drivers. With all these extra eyeballs on the side of Openpci, it would benefit Openpci greatly to have us working on openpci drivers rather than using the Elbox trojans.
I'll probably sell my mediator in the spring anyway, because of the new anti-e3b trojan they are putting in their drivers, but if I had Openpci I might just keep it and further the Openpci cause.

_-Sanjiv-_
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 7 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Nov-2003 21:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Sanjiv):
what anti e3b trojan do you mean?
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 8 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 22-Nov-2003 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Apparently, in the next Mediator driver update, if an E3b product is detected in your machine, the mediator stops working. (or something to that effect)
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 9 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu K. on 23-Nov-2003 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (T_Bone):
That's bullshit. Who's your source?

Besides at the moment OpenPCI drivers dont support the same variety of different cards than Elbox ones so what's the point of installing the OpenPCI drivers when half of my PCI cards would then sit idle in the Mediator?

I would like to see openpci as an option for Mediator too and i'd encourage the developers of OpenPCI to just ignore the rants from Elbox management completely. There's nothing wrong in a little competition! :)
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 10 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 23-Nov-2003 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Teemu K.):
http://amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12759&forum=9

See,there is nothing so bizzare and stupid that it won't happen in this "market".
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 11 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kronos):
So they do it again...*sigh*
And I bet nevertheless many many Amiga User keep folowing those lamers like
blind Lemmings... I guess it is really about time to say good bye. Years ago, the community was great, cool guys, on a hogh level. And now? Don`t you see, that it was the "community" which allowed such a company to be succesfull? We all should have stopped them after the P96 Disaster, or at least after the trojan delete code...but now we will even allow them to include competeor dissabling code..
STOP ELBOX NOW!!!
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 12 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Marcin 'Morgoth' Kurek on 23-Nov-2003 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Teemu K.):
You forgot about Sound Blaster Live/Audigy drivers by Martin Blom, emu10kx.audio require openpci.library to work (And works perfectly, I use it now). The new lowlevel.library also use it, there is some Amithlon drivers that use openpci.lib

There is also some openpci drivers not for the public.

IMHO openpci.lib for mediator is a good option.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 13 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Nov-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Marcin 'Morgoth' Kurek):
Where can I find emu10kx.audio? Did Martin Blom release it publically?
I'd like to try it out on Peg.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 14 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by JoŽl EHRET on 23-Nov-2003 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
AHI website, in the last beta archive :)
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 15 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 23-Nov-2003 12:40 GMT
Great work, Titan !!!
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 16 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Nov-2003 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (JoŽl EHRET):
Cool!
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 17 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 23-Nov-2003 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
This is great. Just wondering though. The MorphOS driver listed above sounds like it's for MOS running on a Classic Amiga. (The website lists a seperate Pegasos driver.)

Is this update available or needed for Peg+MOS? (IE: Do any of the fixes apply to Peg + MOS? :P)
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 18 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Nov-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Teemu K.):
> That's bullshit. Who's your source?

Lol! they never fail to impress, do they? :P
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 19 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Nov-2003 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Teemu K.):
> i'd encourage the developers of OpenPCI to just ignore the rants from Elbox management completely.

Me too :D
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 20 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 23-Nov-2003 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Marcin 'Morgoth' Kurek):
>IMHO openpci.lib for mediator is a good option.

It would be good, but (obviously) it's not an option.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 21 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 23-Nov-2003 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Teemu K.):
>i'd encourage the developers of OpenPCI to just ignore the rants from Elbox management completely.

I'd encourage classic Amiga users to just ignore Elbox Mediator as PCI solution.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 22 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Orc on 23-Nov-2003 17:44 GMT
Please release OpenPCI for Mediator. Right now theres no real
advantage (less cards supported) but I see the way things
are going. I als see that if there were more drivers, then more
people might buy Mediators too!
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 23 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Nov-2003 17:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous Orc):
(SHH! don't say that! You're working this from the wrong angle!!!)

OpenPCI should be released for the Mediator because Elbox doesn't want you too. :D
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 24 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Van M. on 23-Nov-2003 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (T_Bone):
One way or another Elbox's days as a hardware company, are counted. The way I see things, is that in a couple of years, noone will be using custom non-standard hardware. All of us will have the luxury of walking into our local computer shop and selecting, which Radeon or USB 2.0 card we want to buy for our Pegasos or A1 board which is equiped with pci ports as a standard. I have a feeling that the SharkPPC(+) accelerator is vapour, and that all amiga classic users will eventualy purchase a new PPC system to keep along with their old HW.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 25 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by pci on 23-Nov-2003 23:04 GMT
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OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 26 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by pci on 23-Nov-2003 23:04 GMT
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OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 27 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by pci on 23-Nov-2003 23:04 GMT
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OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 28 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 24-Nov-2003 11:30 GMT
My advice for anyone with a catweasel mk.3 and a Pegasos: DON'T install this version of openpci. It seems broken. Stick to the one that came with MOS1.4: at least that one actually allowed the catweasel drivers to mount 2 times in 3.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 29 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 24-Nov-2003 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (XraalE):
Ok, discovered the problem. Raising the stack in the catweasel floppy dosdrivers will prevent the hang and crash when they're mounted using openpci 1.2. It's 4096, better change that to 16384 or so.

Sorry for the alarmist report, but that's the best way to get noticed and have bugs fixed. ;P
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 30 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Nov-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (XraalE):
Hi! Thanks for the info! Are you able to mount and use both PC and Amiga drives at the same time?
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 31 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Nov-2003 12:33 GMT
How well is this working under Prometheus? Is it true Prometheus only has 1 DMA capable slot?
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 32 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 24-Nov-2003 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (redrumloa):
"Hi! Thanks for the info! Are you able to mount and use both PC and Amiga drives at the same time?"

If you mean dosdrivers, yes.

If you mean real physical drives (as I suspect), then I'm afraid I can't answer that, sorry. I only have one PC 3.5" floppy drive in my Pegasos.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 33 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 24-Nov-2003 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (XraalE):
> If you mean dosdrivers, yes.

Yes I do mean dosdrivers, sorry. You can use Amiga DD/HD *AND* PC DD/HD all at the same time without crashing? I seem to be abe to use either one or the other but not both at the same time. I am using the last version of the openpci lib and MOS1.4.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 34 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Benjamin Vernoux on 24-Nov-2003 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Teemu K.):
In fact openpci.library DON'T replace pci.library for Mediator or powerpci.library for Amithlon ... it's totally compatible
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 35 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 24-Nov-2003 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (redrumloa):
"Yes I do mean dosdrivers, sorry. You can use Amiga DD/HD *AND* PC DD/HD all at the same time without crashing? I seem to be abe to use either one or the other but not both at the same time. I am using the last version of the openpci lib and MOS1.4."

Um, yes. I have DF0_DD, DF0_HD, PH0 and PD0 all mounted simultaneously. No problems since day one.
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 36 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu K. on 25-Nov-2003 06:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (T_Bone):
Well...You got me there :)

Current Mediator drivers do work rather well and are stable (in my use) so if they're going to bomb the next batch of updates with anti-e3b code there's no need to install them at all. They cant really force that on us, cant they? ;)
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 37 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu K. on 25-Nov-2003 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Benjamin Vernoux):
In a Mediator?-)
OpenPCI 1.2 for AmigaOS3.x, Amithlon and MorphOS : Comment 38 of 38ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu K. on 25-Nov-2003 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Marcin 'Morgoth' Kurek):
Sorry! Meant to ask "In a Mediator?-)" in reply to this comment!

mornings......
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