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[Web] TeamAROS bounty program updatedANN.lu
Posted on 23-Jan-2004 02:30 GMT by Christophe Decanini79 comments
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The teamAROS has set three new objectives in their bounty program:
- PCI driver, ata device and support of fat32.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 1 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Jan-2004 01:37 GMT
I was wondering if the PCI driver could be based on openPCI (or being compatible).
It would be nice if in the future a driver (with appropriate binaries for each CPU when required) would work on Prometheus, GREX, Amithlon, Pegasos, AmigaOne (?) and AROS (?).
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 2 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Jan-2004 01:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
Next time I will RTFM before posting.
"OpenPci Library progress :This library is a wrapper for use lot of PCI Bus ..."
If it is a wrapper than the PCI driver has to be done first.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 3 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2004 06:19 GMT
Who want's to use FAT32 or any FAT* ???? :P
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 4 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Ogun on 23-Jan-2004 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
FAT filesystems are useful even if they are not exactly top of the line. Used by many a digital camera for example, and they are also a good way to transfer files between different OSes.

//Johan
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 5 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 23-Jan-2004 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Anyone who wants to transfer any file from a to b and one of the end nodes has to be a non-Amiga-ish computer?
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 6 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Jan-2004 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Olegil):
Easy, email it ;)

Cheers
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 7 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2004 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Olegil):
You really don't need FAT-support for that. You can always use CD-RW or transfer files over internet.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 8 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 23-Jan-2004 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
You can _always_ use CDRW or internet to transfer files between two devices?

Interesting. You must live in a pretty odd world.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 9 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2004 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Olegil):
If you don't have CD-Rom/CDRW or internet conection then you should be ashamed :) And you don't even need internet connection, if you can use your own LAN.

if you need to transfer files from one of your computer to another, then you could use LAN, why make thing harder than what they are ? Ethernet cards are cheap, even for the Amiga these days.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 10 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 23-Jan-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
In what way is CDRW more useful than USB drives? In that you don't need FAT32?

Simply put, CDRW isn't the grand unified solution you seem to think it is ;-)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 11 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Jan-2004 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Olegil):
Hmmm... USB would be nice in AROS :-/ But we have to wait until we get a decent PCI system first.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 12 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 23-Jan-2004 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Matt Parsons):
Ah. And here was I thinking you could actually USE AROS? ;-)

I presume you have floppy support, at least? :-P
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 13 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Jan-2004 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Olegil):
Currently Floppy, IDE (Hard drives and CD-ROM drives) and serial links only at the moment.

:-)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 14 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2004 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Really?

Interesting.

So tell me, oh wise one, how do I connect a CD-RW drive to my digital camera so I can copy the contents of its memorycard to CD? (Remember, the card is in FAT format).

How do I connect a CD-RW drive to several of my synths so I can transfer files between them and a computer in another studio (remember, their floppies are FAT format)?

These are but two examples of the countless scenarios where the ability to read FAT is very useful and using a CD-RW is either overkill or, in many cases, impossible.

Think before you write next time, eh?
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 15 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Matt Parsons):
>Currently Floppy, IDE (Hard drives and CD-ROM drives) and serial links only at >the moment.
>
>:-)

Hi,

I just tried out to the latest x86 AROS release (CD), and there
had been lots of progress since the last version I tried (August,
I think?). :-)

You say floppy support, yesterday
I inserted a PC-formatted floppydisk but no icon popped up on "Wanderer".
What's the unit name? DF0: or PC0:? :) Well, the reason is because the
new UAE said that I should insert a floppy disk with a ROM, but unfortunately
I don't know what the file name of the KICKFILE should be, and I don't know what
file system the floppy disk should have... Oh, well :)

Other than that, the OS has a great feeling to it -- feels really
snappy and nice. I can agree with that bounty I saw on TeamAROS,
do a more integrated solution for the ISO. Maybe move some of the
more cool stuff from the contrib drawer into the system, and
especially UAE. Why not make a Game drawer in the root, as well? :)
Couple that with a completely installed version of GCC, so devs
can get cracking... Maybe add some documentation, as well -- wouldn't
hurt.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 16 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jan-2004 00:12 GMT
I thought Microsoft was asking for license fees for its patent on FAT???
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 17 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jan-2004 05:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
fvck em. just don't use "their implementation"
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 18 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jan-2004 06:11 GMT
Aros needs internet connectivity... BADLY!

even if it was just a quick patch to the hosted version that passes through to linux, it would at least be something.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 19 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Jan-2004 07:22 GMT
this cd-rw vs fat32 just proves how damn retarded.... oh, rule number one, forget it.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 20 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Chris H on 24-Jan-2004 09:35 GMT
Whats wrong with using FAT95? Oh, it's 68k-only and AROS is so lame it doesn't support that... (what an excellent design choice, not)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 21 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Jan-2004 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Chris H):
Funny guy :-)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 22 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jan-2004 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Chris H):
x86 was a bad design choice? If Amiga had gone 68k/x86-accel instead of 68k/PPC-accel the Amiga would never have died. We'd have been using x86 datatypes, MorphOS/WarpOS would be x86, and AmigaOS4 would be fully x86 native. The Amiverse would be much better than it is now.

Aros solves this design problem.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 23 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 24-Jan-2004 12:40 GMT
The Amiverse would be much better than it is now.

Aros solves this design problem.

---------------------

Are you so sure?...... BeOS5 was x86.....

PPC is THE way, no doubt about it.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 24 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 24-Jan-2004 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (ikir):
Well some of us have doubts and AROS (being MULTI PLATFORM) ensures that you don't have to choose any particular CPU.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 25 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 24-Jan-2004 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (ikir):
BeOS isn't AmigaOS, neither had the programs to pull it off...
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 26 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 24-Jan-2004 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (pixie):
>BeOS isn't AmigaOS, neither had the programs to pull it off...

It got a lot more applications after it went x86.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 27 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Jan-2004 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (anon):
you don't remember the old 286 pc cards for the amigans do you? ;)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 28 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Jan-2004 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (pixie):
neither does aros... and even amigaos/morphos if we are talking new apps.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 29 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 24-Jan-2004 19:30 GMT
Note that Black Troll corp is putting up about a grand for some of the bounties.

As a matter of just speculation, I suspect Randy Vice has plans to market AROS under the Black Troll distro.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 30 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 24-Jan-2004 19:51 GMT
all things considered....

and for those who don't know..... the momentum of AROS continues to grow, at what ever rate it does may vary, but it is certainly growing... not declining.

The openness of development is just that too...... kinda reminds me of the early and orginal Amiga dev spirit... but perhaps a bit more pure.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 31 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jan-2004 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (ikir):
> Are you so sure?...... BeOS5 was x86.....

And became MUCH more popular when it went x86... x86 made it's use explode 1000fold!

You know what killed Beos? Be inc... who decided embedded was the way to go and desktop wasn't. They thought wrong. hmmm... Amiga inc almost made the same mistake
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 32 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jan-2004 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (ikir):
PPC would be "a" way to go if they'd support reasonably good PPC hardware, like the Mac, but these crackhouse PPC boards they chose are just ghetto. A dead end.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 33 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 24-Jan-2004 22:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (anon):
You know what killed Beos? Be inc... who decided embedded was the way to go and desktop wasn't. They thought wrong. hmmm... Amiga inc almost made the same mistake

Wrong. The move, from desktop OS to embedded OS, was a last ditch attempt to save the company which was burning up 1 million dollars per month.

Be Inc never had people to sell it's main product (BeOS). Which was a fantastic OS.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 34 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jan-2004 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ronald St-Maurice):
> Wrong. The move, from desktop OS to embedded OS, was a last ditch attempt to
> save the company which was burning up 1 million dollars per month.

That decision was made before they went x86. the x86/free movement was nothing more than an attempt to turn BeOS into a developement platform for BeDE *cough* I mean BeIA. That's really the only reason the x86 decision was made. Thet never got it, even when the popularity of BeOS x86 exploded, they saw those users as nothing but potential BeIA developers, rather than the desktop users they really were.

There was very little interest in BeOS PPC ever. Nobody I know even used anything other than Beos x86, and they were all willing to pay for it, but by the time anyone got around to paying for it, Beos was screwing things already, telling all the developers who *had products ready* to be released that the future of Beos as a desktop OS was dead. *BIG products* were ready to be sent out the door, and they screwed the pooch, BIG products, the likes of which would make an Amiga user cream their jeans if they were offered for AOS. Steinbeck etc. shit.

Meanwhile, they gave the OS away for free, saying "no support, no future" - and had record downloads, even moreso than most linux distro's combined at that time. Dumbasses.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 35 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 24-Jan-2004 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (anon):
> they saw those users as nothing but potential BeIA developers, rather than
> the desktop users [and/or developers] they really were. [and/or wanted to be]

And AMiga should have seen this and learned from it. they saw things through the exact same color distorted glasses.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 36 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 24-Jan-2004 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (anon):
Actually, Amiga would have been better to move to MIPS than x86 ;)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 37 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 25-Jan-2004 00:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Darth_X):
Not that there is anything wrong with PPC. ;)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 38 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 25-Jan-2004 00:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Hagge):
> you don't remember the old 286 pc cards for the amigans do you? ;)

Sure I do, I have one, the 80286 bridgeboard installed from the factory in my a2000hd, along with the 5 1/2 floppy. It wasn't an x86 accelerator though, it was just a 286 computer on a card.

If, at the time of the PPC accelerators, they had made an x86 accelerator, y'know, like a CSPPC 68060 with a Pentium 233 accel instead of a 604e accel, it would have been a bridge to a future. instead of the PPC developement, we would have had x86 developement and a nice gradual transition to hardware that's not ghetto.

Granted the pentium 233 itself wouldn't have been as fast as the 604e at 233, but the thing is it wouldn't have stagnated, and hardware wouldn't have that terribly low bang for the buck shortcoming it has now ($600.00 for a 604e
233 in 2004!? not on your life!)

What the Amiga needs is "Slow burn, long term, getting things done" rather than the jive talkin pie in the sky euphoric buzzword spouting nonsense helium filled feet-never-touching-the-ground permasmile crap that most people blindly swallow down while holding their nose, while the rest of the world looks on and snickers under their breath.

(Y'know the type, "Amiga! coming up on you in your sleep!!!11!!1 Amiga! First we take Manhattan, then we sweep Berlin off it's lighter-than-air feet!!!1!1!1!" after every post, etc. this is who Amiga Inc are pandering to.)

The problem with the hardware today, is it lacks any forsight, the same lack of forsight that fucked us for a decade while the world moved on, and left us scrounging aminet trying to replace 68k apps with $600-233mhz PPC apps while the rest of the world buys 1GHz cpu's for the price of a filling meal at McDonalds. The current solutions don't solve the problem, they just bumped up the class of prison we're in a bit, but we're still fucking stuck in prison.

The "planned" or "official" story is that OS5 will be hardware indipendant, but that's a crock of shit and yet more pie in the sky bullshit, and completely flies in the face of the direction of OS4. If we're going hardware indipendant, then why go proprietary PPC as a steppingstone? this steppingstone doesn't move in that direction at all. I actually purchased an Amiga developer system (the D'Amiga) when it was announced THIS was the transition system, at a time when the direction of Amiga was nothing but a ship with no sail, and changed daily as fleecy told everyone what he thought they wanted to hear, changing accordingly.

Amiga's current direction is a community cancer, where anyone that doersn't agree with the fucked direction they are taking is considered part of that cancer and cut off like a tumor, to the point where the community is policing itself and shutting out people rather than growing in number. the community has gangrene, and will die from it because of this. this cult is now officially sanctioned by Amiga, and this cult is holding the community hostage to the point where those of us not in it would rather not be associated with the term "Amigan" anymore because of these people.

Look around, hundreds of the Amiga Communities most brilliant and productive people no longer wish to be called Amigans anymore because of this! Even as they continue to create things Amigans use everyday! Gangrene, and it's killing us.

it's probably too late. Everyone in the position to do something about these problems are content with the infection.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 39 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 25-Jan-2004 00:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (anon):
> it's probably too late. Everyone in the position to do something
> about these problems are content with the infection

I'll add that they will die from this infection, feeling no pain but taking the painkillers in large quantity feeding this painkiller addiction and living in a foggy euphoria even as they slowly die caring about nothing at all but the next dose.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 40 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 25-Jan-2004 00:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (anon):
Spot on mate.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 41 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Megol on 25-Jan-2004 03:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (smithy):
"It got a lot more applications after it went x86."

Yeah, also users and developers... PPC fanatics don't want to remember that for some reason.
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 42 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 25-Jan-2004 03:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (anon):
Best Post Ever.
Or at the very least in the top ten. :)

Thank you, anonymous hero!


Cue outbursts of stinking verbal pus from that luddite gangrene on AmigaOS's infected leg, yapping on about "Community Portal ("Loan us $50 and get a free pair of Nike sneakers and a bottle of phenobarbitol!").
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 43 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 25-Jan-2004 04:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Seehund):
Hmm, ANN doesn't seen to like linked words withing quotes. Oh well:

... yapping on about Community Portal ("Loan us $50 and get a free pair of Nike sneakers and a bottle of phenobarbitol!").
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 44 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 25-Jan-2004 04:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Seehund):
BUGGER!

Some line breaks and no italics, perhaps:

... yapping on about new Amigas,
OS5
and whatever fortnightly new Reality Abstraction Layer acronyms that were invented to keep the masochist patients adequatly sedated over at
The Community Portal ("Loan us $50 and get a free pair of Nike sneakers and a bottle of phenobarbitol!").
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 45 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 25-Jan-2004 04:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Seehund):
At last! I didn't know I still was that drunk...
'night.
or good morning, as it were
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 46 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 25-Jan-2004 04:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Seehund):
> http://amigapop.8bit.co.uk/newamiga.jpg

brilliant! :)
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 47 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 25-Jan-2004 06:23 GMT
Forget x86, MIPS....

I'd really like to see AROS running on ARM/XScale,
then I could run it on my PDA.

koan
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 48 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 25-Jan-2004 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (koan):
omit that fucking "forget x86" and no problem. :D I've got no problem with an Aros port for special hardware, so long as we don't sacrifice our chances of becoming mainstream (x86).
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 49 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 25-Jan-2004 06:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (anon):
eesh, guess I should chill with the F bombs... bad habit I picked up in NYC :O
TeamAROS bounty program updated : Comment 50 of 79ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 25-Jan-2004 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (ikir):
>Are you so sure?...... BeOS5 was x86.....

Note that BeOS was late in the scene and BeOS IA-64 adventure practically killed them. Without an abstract virtual processor layer, they should concentrate on particular main edition.

An X86 PC with custom gfx/sound processors and 32bit multitasking OS (e.g. AmigaOS i386) back in late 1980s would have delivered most of today’s multimedia features PC.

The 'Motorola effect' practically killed/weakened most of the major 68K PC vendors** all by itself. The heart of any OS/HW platform is the CPU ISA vendor(s) i.e. both Linux* and MS Windows OSes are anchored via the fortified X86 ‘home world’. *Linux’s birth place and major uptake is via X86 snowball.

*Linux’s birth place and major uptake is via X86 snowball.
**Atari(PC), CBM(PC), Spectrum(PC), Apple(PC)(painful transition), Sega (games console), Capcom (Arcade machines).
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