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Posted on 21-Mar-2004 01:37 GMT by Rich Woods205 comments
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While many people talk about people suing Amiga to make Amiga bankrupt or some such nonsense the truth is Amiga did it to themselves.

Here are copies of Amiga's default judgement to their landlord - The Inception Group (Thomas Clary) - who happens to be a gentleman and a very honest guy.

Parts of Amiga's belongings that weren't sold at auction but which were sold to me (for the sum of $500) are included in the respa statement submitted to the courts. An EXTREMELY honest accounting of monies generated by the auction. I may make the auction proceeds available at a later date.

Amiga's lease called for payments of $14,144/month to $15,002/month.

Amiga's Judgement 1 and 2 can be gotten here.

Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 1 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 00:43 GMT
The judgement carried an interest rate of 12% per annum - meaning Amiga is accumulating more debt at a rate of an additional $1,470 per month.

This doesn't include all the other judgements and interest accumulating also.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 2 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Mar-2004 01:01 GMT
Sucks to see them having to spend almost 6000 dollars on lawyers, just
to get this judgement, when it doesn't seem likely they'll be paid
anyway. :-(

I don't understand US corporate law. Is it really possible to keep a
company away from bankruptcy regardless what debts it has? Here a
company behaving like this would definitely have been shut down a long
time ago.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 3 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 01:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Johan Rönnblom):
Posted by Johan Rönnblom (193.11.248.17) on 21-Mar-2004 02:01:04

Sucks to see them having to spend almost 6000 dollars on lawyers, just
to get this judgement, when it doesn't seem likely they'll be paid
anyway. :-(
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Well you can't let people shit on you - if that were the case people would be getting over all the time with no fear of retribution.
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I don't understand US corporate law. Is it really possible to keep a
company away from bankruptcy regardless what debts it has? Here a
company behaving like this would definitely have been shut down a long
time ago.

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I think (IMHO) there are things going on behind the scenes to have Amiga declared bankrupt. Also there appears to be MORE criminal actions in Amiga moving around IP assests to avoid payment to judgement creditors.

This should be obvvious to even a blind man.

billyboy's first eviction (1988) and his constant and continuous defiance of the courts (almost NEVER showing up in legal actions) show the type of individual he is.

ANYTHING to get OVER ON ANYBODY.

His personal Bank of Amnerica credit card default in the amount of $10,000+ - default judgement.

Maybe I'll post the court docs - might help open someone's eyes.

Contacting Tom Clary (and leaving several messages on Amiga's new situation)- Amiga's landlord - there could be something happening along the lines you suggest.

Garry Hare (and shareholders) might regret the actions being taken - I have a gut feeling the shit will REALLY start hitting the fan. billyboy just may be on the run this time.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 4 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Jeff Anderson on 21-Mar-2004 01:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Rich Woods):
This courtroom voyeurism is really weird.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 5 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 01:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Jeff Anderson):
Posted by Jeff Anderson (67.166.64.178) on 21-Mar-2004 02:53:23

In Reply to Comment 3 (Rich Woods):
This courtroom voyeurism is really weird.
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Weird or smart depending on how you look at it.

Why not send $50 to Amiga to help them out?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 6 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by smp266 on 21-Mar-2004 03:04 GMT
Somebody should have brought cameras. A documentary would have made them $147k easily.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 7 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by smp266 on 21-Mar-2004 03:15 GMT
The Walker strikes back

http://www.tomshardware.com/business/20040320/cebit2004_1-06.html

Check out this page of Toms hardware. It's a PC case in the shape of a cylinder.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 8 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 21-Mar-2004 03:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (smp266):
This one is even more interesting:
First nano-ITX mobo arrives
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 9 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Mar-2004 04:00 GMT
What's the point of your bringing up this stuff over and over? You are one of the most obsessive maniacs I've ever seen.

>who happens to be a gentleman and a very honest guy

So the landlord was a honest and nice guy, good for him, but so what? Amiga didn't have the money to pay rent, ohmygod! that's so unusual, it never happens to everyone else right? Nobody ever defaults payments, what do the qualities of the landlord have to do with this? Grow out of your obsession and find yourself a new hobby!
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 10 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Mar-2004 04:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Rich Woods):
>This should be obvvious to even a blind man.

LOL!! Talking about yourself here? You're quick to talk about criminal actions on the part of Amiga, but as a blue troll you easily close both eyes on your favorite camp.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 11 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 04:52 GMT
Who would have thought that 2 years rent in a small office like Amiga had would cost that much! Did they go for deluxe offices overlooking scenic mountains, lakes, in the countryside?

Oh, wait ...
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 12 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Mar-2004 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Graham_nli):
Any more old judgements you want to dredge back to make it look like new ones?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 13 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 21-Mar-2004 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Rich Woods):
> Amiga is accumulating more debt at a rate of an additional $1,470 per month.

And that's for just that one judgement!

I don't think anything Amiga Inc could do would ever get over this tidal wave of accumulating debt. They're f****d. No wonder they're sneaking assets out the back door to shell companies. if I were an employee owed money by Amiga, I'd be raising a huge stink. if it wern't for BBRV and his lawsuit, the employees wouldn't even know this was happening.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 14 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
What has that comment got to do with my post?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 15 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 07:40 GMT
How many people did Amiga Inc. have working for them in the offices at that time? 5? 10?

Let's assume 10.

A person requires 80 to 100 square foot to work in. Let's assume that 3 people got bigger working areas. Add on a coffee area, meeting table, etc. Let's assume 2000 square foot in total.

In the UK, in Cambridge, office space is between £10/sq. ft. and £20/sq ft. per year. That would be £20,000 to £40,000 per year for Amiga Inc to run up. However they weren't located in an expensive area as far as I am aware.

I just can't see how they ran up massive debts of that scale renting offices? If they made the mistake of getting fully managed offices (desks, computers, IT, support, telephone, blah blah) then maybe, just maybe.

So either Amiga Inc were stupid and went for way too much office space for their size and needs. Or they were stupid and went for deluxe offices when they only needed basic offices. You would have hoped they would have looked at their cash reserves and projected cashflow in order to decide what offices to go for.

A start-up or small company going for offices should go for the most basic one that meets their needs, possibly with room to grow as an option they can take up. You then buy 3rd hand office furniture for dirt cheap to fill it out. You get the bare minimum of services you need, not a 10Mbit leased line with Cisco IP phones and all that. Maybe they committed to lovely nice offices and then investors pulled out, so instead of $millions they got $thousands.

It really doesn't say much for Amiga Inc's collective intellect to be honest.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 16 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Mar-2004 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Graham_nli):
I don't have any exact numbers ( bet most of here don't).. But at the begin, AmigaInc did hire considerable amount of people.. (at least 30 or so, based on numbners of 'excess' computers and other 'unneeded' equipment auctioned by Ex-landlord). So IMHO you should at least triple room space and estimated rent.

And,.. In last summer McEwen testified comany having (Still, after years of nonpayments and othet misdeeds) over 10 people 'working'.. IIRC it was 12 total.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 17 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 21-Mar-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
>LOL!! Talking about yourself here? You're quick to talk about criminal actions on the part of Amiga, but as a blue troll you easily close both eyes on your favorite camp.


I think Woods doesn't even own a Pegasos
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 18 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (JoannaK):
30?! What were they doing? You get 30 people in to do work if you have VC in the $multi-millions, more likely the $10millions.

Even so, if you cram them in, at 80 sq. ft a person (still more than enough room for a standard office worker/programmer) that is 2400 sq. ft. + 100sq ft for coffee area, 200sq ft for a seating/meeting area, another 150sq ft for a small meeting room, and 100sq ft for more important people - I'm sure they could have fitted everyone + storage, etc, into 3000 - 4000 sq. ft.

Still, I forgot to account for A/C and similar bills. Usually these are included in office rental though.

Amiga Inc. clearly suck at teh accounting.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 19 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 21-Mar-2004 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Graham_nli):
>>>>
Let's assume 2000 square foot in total.
>>>>

Realize the offices in question were over 10,000 square foot according to Luca Diana's visit report, and Bill McEwens comment when they moved in. I really don't think each employee having 1000 sq ft is necessary, but thats what they rented at a pretty good rate per square foot, but alot of square footage.
-Tig
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 20 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 21-Mar-2004 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Graham_nli):
I don't think the plan was to make money, I believe Bill even mentioned to someone, that the plan was to make a good showing, and then get bought out by a larger company.

This plan is impossible now, as Amiga Inc's debts are greater than their assets, and one would be a fool to buy Amiga Inc and aquire these debts.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 21 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Tigger):
Ah, so they took out more than twice what they required. That was pretty stupid of them, in my opinion.

Maybe they thought they would be at 50 to 80 employees within a year? That would be stupid, they must have head their heads in the clouds when making their forecasts.

No company should give each employee 300 sq. ft. of space on average. No matter how good the deal is per square foot (sounds like it was around $10 a square foot, which is a nice deal). That is allowing the company to expand to three times its size. Stupid. Their investors should have stepped in and said "hang on, go for this 4000 sq. ft. place at $14 a square foot instead.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 22 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Graham_nli):
Oops, should have used the figures in the original post. Looks like Amiga Inc. were paying around $17 a square foot per year.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 23 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Mar-2004 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Graham_nli):
See it yourself... Website of auction is still on-line. (June 17, 2003)
http://www.murphyauctions.net/amiga.html

Real expensive network equipment, 7 dedicated servers and over 40 PC:s (most computers are Name-brand), Over 40 Monitors.. (over 30 of them 20 Inch or bigger) etc etc etc.. All this was left behind by AmigaInc late 2002, and sold by Landlord to cover part of the Debt.

When we take into account the McEven testify about their remainign workers still having their work-PC:s (apparently carried away before doors were closed)... Total number of Personal Computers on Amigainc goes over 50...

I'm not saying there would have ever been 50+ people, but number of nearly identical HP Vectra systems (over 30) remainign for sale seems a strong indication of work staff.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 24 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (JoannaK):
Stupid f*ckw*ds got too excited with their initial VC money didn't they!

Let me guess, every employee got a Windows based E-Mail / Web / Office computer, and the programmers also got another machine to program on in addition, plus the servers, etc.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 25 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 21-Mar-2004 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (JoannaK):
>Real expensive network equipment, 7 dedicated servers and over 40 PC:s (most
>computers are Name-brand), Over 40 Monitors.. (over 30 of them 20 Inch or
>bigger) etc etc etc.. All this was left behind by AmigaInc late 2002, and
>sold by Landlord to cover part of the Debt.

For the sake on completeness, it was stated at the time of the auction that not all items auctioned were Amiga Inc.'s. Those numbers may have, if those accounts are true, included computers from other companies that were auctioned at the same time.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 26 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Mar-2004 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Janne):
Janne: It was Ray Akey who made that statement.. It's just part of Smoke and Mirrors.

Rich Woods: Could you please check Who's items were those computers sold?`
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 27 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 21-Mar-2004 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (JoannaK):
"Janne: It was Ray Akey who made that statement.. It's just part of Smoke and Mirrors."

Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong, as usual.

Check your facts before you post.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 28 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 21-Mar-2004 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (JoannaK):
From http://www.murphyauctions.net/amiga.html

"Some items on the main equipment list have been included in the sale from other parties."

Get your eyes checked Joanna.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 29 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 21-Mar-2004 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ray A. Akey):
Hey Ray,

How many people were hired by Amiga Inc that worked in your offices?

Why did Amiga Inc. go for 10000 square foot offices?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 30 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 21-Mar-2004 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Graham_nli):
Heh, I think someone there had their own personal T1 as well, forget which one.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 31 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 21-Mar-2004 09:30 GMT
Rich, are these new documents?
I tought that case was over

Cheers
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 32 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Mar-2004 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ray A. Akey):
Has any of you been prosecuted yet?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 33 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Mar-2004 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (takemehomegrandma):
Have you?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 34 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Mar-2004 10:55 GMT
I don't think it should be news to anyone that AInc did "some" things
in a stupid way. Frankly, to me it seems more like everything they did
was about as stupid as it gets.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 35 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 21-Mar-2004 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (smp266):
smp266 says:

> Somebody should have brought cameras. A documentary would have made
> them $147k easily.

Sure, where's Dave Haynie when you need him?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 36 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 21-Mar-2004 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Jeff Anderson):
Jeff Anderson says:

> This courtroom voyeurism is really weird.

Rich pursues it with an intensity that makes one look twice, but the fact that he puts up these documents is a real net benefit to the community (such as it is) in dispelling the routine deception and misdirection that was always Amiga Inc.'s way of doing business.

Spin is the repellent moral phenomenon of our age, and Rich dispels Amiga Inc. spin. For example when they were evicted they covered it up for months, then they said they were just auctioning off some excess obsolete equipment, in the meantime they ran their coupon & t-shirt swindle and nobody ever got any coupons or t-shirts yet.

So IMO this specific thing with public documents that Rich does is a good thing for everyone but the swindlers. We need more outrage in this world at the spin and deception that is not only used by business people but by political leaders.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 37 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 21-Mar-2004 08:01:12

In Reply to Comment 1 (Rich Woods):
> Amiga is accumulating more debt at a rate of an additional $1,470 per month.

And that's for just that one judgement!
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This was the point I was trying to bring out - and the landlord judgement was never disclosed before along with the monthly amouts.
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I don't think anything Amiga Inc could do would ever get over this tidal wave of accumulating debt. They're f****d. No wonder they're sneaking assets out the
That's the whole point - it's like maxing out a credit card paying 23.99% interest - it would take almost forever to pay it off.


back door to shell companies. if I were an employee owed money by Amiga, I'd be raising a huge stink. if it wern't for BBRV and his lawsuit, the employees wouldn't even know this was happening.


I think the IP swapping will come back to really haunt them.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 38 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 21-Mar-2004 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
T_Bone says:

> I don't think anything Amiga Inc could do would ever get over this
> tidal wave of accumulating debt. They're f****d. No wonder they're
> sneaking assets out the back door to shell companies.

The irregularity of the KMOS thing (the back-dating and "iTec" parts of it, as well as McEwen's conflicting deposition testimony as to who owned what when) call suspicion to KMOS.

The possibility that KMOS is a shell company set up to steer funds to McEwen, Moss and co. instead of to creditors in the long-overdue event of an Amiga Inc. bankruptcy is a possibility worth looking into.

Garry Hare needs to stand up and set the record straight.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 39 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (hooligan/dcs):
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Trusted user) on 21-Mar-2004 09:08:19

In Reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
>LOL!! Talking about yourself here? You're quick to talk about criminal actions on the part of Amiga, but as a blue troll you easily close both eyes on your favorite camp.


I think Woods doesn't even own a Pegasos
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That's correct. I'll probably buy one sooner or later. I'm using my Amiga A4000 with a 060 PPC card. And when OS 4 comes out (assuming I'm still alive) I'll buy it (having really paid for it already with the SDK purchase).

Hell having Amiga's since August of 1985 - does that put me in the "red" camp?
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 40 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Tigger):
Posted by Tigger (68.62.179.188) on 21-Mar-2004 09:21:06

In Reply to Comment 15 (Graham_nli):
>>>>
Let's assume 2000 square foot in total.
>>>>

Realize the offices in question were over 10,000 square foot according to Luca Diana's visit report, and Bill McEwens comment when they moved in. I really don't think each employee having 1000 sq ft is necessary, but thats what they rented at a pretty good rate per square foot, but alot of square footage.
-Tig
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It was over 10,000 square feet. I have a copy of the rental agreement.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 41 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Graham_nli):
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 21-Mar-2004 09:30:46

In Reply to Comment 21 (Graham_nli):
Oops, should have used the figures in the original post. Looks like Amiga Inc. were paying around $17 a square foot per year.
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It varied between 16.50 to 17.50 per sq foot depending on the month of the lease.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 42 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 21-Mar-2004 11:59 GMT
I've "seen" McEwen's office -- there was a nice big picture in the New York Times article, remember that? Fairly standard stuff, Staples-grade office furniture, building was fairly new construction, looked like a nice place to work, if a little bluish in the shot.

Now, you have to take this in contrast this to the average .bomb, which would've generally started in someone's bedroom, and gone straight to prime real estate in the likes of San Francisco or worse (possibly skipping stage 1), blowing a couple hundred thousand on Aeron chairs and the like. Everyone was playing the image game, trying to look hip and successful, and keep the VCs comfortable while hammering out their next rounds.

In contrast to that, AI's initial accomodations were fairly sensible. (Wonder if that $14k was carrying markup for the era?)

The problem was and remains the product; it's ridiculously expensive to fund and wait out actual development, especially when everyone else is just scripting glue or bundling Linux. Even harder if you alienate your coders or they weren't willing to play by your plan in the first place. (No offense to Bolton at this point, if that insurance thing went down it's grounds for losing rational thought, but from the outside, he sure did run 'quick' to founding the 'Snoqualmie Pegasos Users Group.' Are there any names who aren't on the list of complaining employees?)

---

Someone was going on about Gary Peake having a private T1; smells like rumor, but it could be that bad business calls like this were where the money was sunk instead (SDSL was still a bit rare then, don't forget) ... Plenty of companies went bankrupt buying Cisco.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 43 of 205ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
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Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 44 of 205ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 13 (T_Bone):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
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Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 45 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (JoannaK):
Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 21-Mar-2004 09:31:45

In Reply to Comment 18 (Graham_nli):
See it yourself... Website of auction is still on-line. (June 17, 2003)
http://www.murphyauctions.net/amiga.html

Real expensive network equipment, 7 dedicated servers and over 40 PC:s (most computers are Name-brand), Over 40 Monitors.. (over 30 of them 20 Inch or bigger) etc etc etc.. All this was left behind by AmigaInc late 2002, and sold by Landlord to cover part of the Debt.



Since I bought a large majority of the stuff (which I still have) I can vouch for this. I have 2 of the servers and numerous Gateway systems - haven't put em up on ebay yet but will sooner or later.

If requested I guess I can scan the proceed information from the auction - (6 pages).
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 46 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Janne):
Posted by Janne (80.186.194.188) on 21-Mar-2004 09:48:43

In Reply to Comment 23 (JoannaK):


For the sake on completeness, it was stated at the time of the auction that not all items auctioned were Amiga Inc.'s. Those numbers may have, if those accounts are true, included computers from other companies that were auctioned at the same time.


That is correct - the larger monitors (21") IIRC weren't Amiga's but office equipment from other companies. And some of the computer systems also.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 47 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (JoannaK):
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 26 of 36




Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 21-Mar-2004 10:07:47

In Reply to Comment 25 (Janne):
Janne: It was Ray Akey who made that statement.. It's just part of Smoke and Mirrors.

Rich Woods: Could you please check Who's items were those computers sold?`
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Since you asked politely I'll post the proceeds of the auction (6 pages total).
Complete accounting of what was sold for Amiga.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 48 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (T_Bone):
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 21-Mar-2004 10:30:21

In Reply to Comment 24 (Graham_nli):
Heh, I think someone there had their own personal T1 as well, forget which one.

Gary Peake.
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 49 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Amon_Re):
Posted by Amon_Re (Trusted user) on 21-Mar-2004 10:30:49

Rich, are these new documents?
I tought that case was over
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If you mean the case with the landlord - it was in Nov that the final judgement was decreed.

And I have MANY documents and internal memos etc that have never been brought to light. (I have billyboy's Mastercard application from Gateway!).
Amiga's Lease Default Judgement $147,000+ : Comment 50 of 205ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 21-Mar-2004 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Daniel Miller):
In Reply to Comment 6 (smp266):
smp266 says:

> Somebody should have brought cameras. A documentary would have made
> them $147k easily.

Sure, where's Dave Haynie when you need him?
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I have extensive pictures of the auction and of their offices - before, during and after the auction.

The auction ended and I was at Amiga's offices packing PALLETS of boxes (over 50) - I was there for literally 12 hours per day for 4-5 days.

I busted my chops. Hardly did any sightseeing - it was strictly business and a heck of a lot of hard work.

If people want - I can post pictures of Amiga's offices, auction etc.

Videotape and stills.

And sad to say, I was the LAST person in Amiga's office to literally turn out the lights. Can't tell you how sad that was, personally for me, after 15+ of using Amigas.
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