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Posted on 26-Mar-2004 14:52 GMT by Mikey C364 comments
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Answers many questions, including "That Business Card" Amigaworld.net
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 51 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Mar-2004 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (hooligan/dcs):
>In any case, hopefully this idiotic businesscard-thing will be put to a hole
>with cement over it.. Im a bit of tired of the whole bizcard-issue :-)

I'll drink to that.

I hate to think just how much time, effort and money has been wasted by all parties over these court battles... let hope it all ends soon.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 52 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Gru on 26-Mar-2004 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Darrin):
> You are the one that's ignoring the other 90% of Garry's interview which
> raises some pretty damming questions in order to try and focus on a rather
> small piece of stiff paper.

You mean like coupons which will not be honored and tee shirts that will not be shipped?

In a legal transaction of IP, typically it requires MONEY to change hands. If AmigaOS was legally purchased with MONEY where did it go? It did not go to pay Amiga Inc's outstanding debts. It did not go to pay any outstanding judgements against them. It did not go to ship product they owe their customers, you know shirts and coupons. It was also not reported to the courts. Obviously there was no significant transfer of money for the rights.

Now you tell me, does this sound like a legal above the table transaction from a legit company who's CEO has paraded as Amiga inc's CEO in the past?
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 53 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Mar-2004 16:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (James Carroll):
"Maybe he means AmigaOS will run on different PPC platforms? Thats my guess."

It runs on 68k and on PPC - and my understanding is that Hyperion have coded the new version to be as easy to port as possible. Almost all of it is in gcc.

I think porting AOS4 to (for instance) ARM would be much easier than porting Windows.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 54 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 26-Mar-2004 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Christophe Decanini):
I think what Garry refers to when he says "cross-plattform" is actually "scalable".
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 55 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 26-Mar-2004 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Christophe Decanini):
I think what Garry refers to when he says "cross-platform" is "scalable".
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 56 of 364ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 17 (%00):
Message removed by Teemu I. Yliselä for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: impersonation
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 57 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Mar-2004 16:46 GMT
I specifically like the suggestive questions made on a web site payed for by Eyetech, such as "Eyetech has done a marvellous job in providing the A1 and microA1 boards [question follows]...". Investigative journalism at its best ;-) The cozy relationship between Amiga, Hyperion, Eytech and amigaworld starts to stink. Wasn't the new AmigaOS supposed to be a competitive platform, open to licensing? Now it seems to have degenerated into a buddy game and as a consequence, users have to pay absurdly high prices and are subjected to Microsoft-style practices: no, you can't buy this OS, you can only buy a Eyetech hardware + Hyperion OS bundle. Sigh. Also, Gary Hare is very well informed: "To my knowledge, Hyperion, Eyetech, Amiga and, certainly KMOS, have never received a proposal from Pegasos regarding the OS." Dude, Pegasos is the name of the mainboard, it's not going to call you ;-) bbrv already did, as you kindly pointed out.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 58 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Mar-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Cluke):
"One things for sure, with all the recent developments, Genesi are beginning to look pretty bad."

IMO both Genesi and Amiga Inc have been through a bad patch in the past year or so, and some of this is due to the bad relationship between them. Let's hope both straighten themselves out, forget the other company ever existed, and make a success of selling their products.

Both have products with potential, which in no way compete.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 59 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 26-Mar-2004 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Darrin):
hehe.. I don't think a card saying I'm the CEO of AmigaInc would help me pick up girls! It would have to be something new and more cool! ;)
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 60 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 26-Mar-2004 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Christophe Decanini):
I would say that Linux is cross platform. AmigaOS and OSX are not.

Ah, didn't notice who I was replying to, here. "Exactly," though Classic Amiga has a small leg on OS X by virtue of Amithlon and UAE. (Abstracting to a virtual 68k is completely frickin' ridiculous, but so is abstracting to x86.)

If you look at what he said, in light of his perspective:

One of the features that attracted us to the Amiga OS in the first place is that, by definition, it is cross-platform. Improvement in any one market should improve the others, including the desktop. If the same application played across all platforms and devices, so much the better.

I'm assuming we're "cross-platform" in his eyes because our single platform was once a game console, a "set top box," and three tiers of home computer, workstation, and (briefly, AmigaOS-unrelated) server. I'd call that "general-purpose," myself.

The modular design of AmigaOS, especially with Hyperion's cleanup work, does seem to make basic portability (of the OS itself) a bit less painful than average. At least until we start dealing with protected "IPC" down around the driver layer, but lots of designs have solved that 'better' than NT.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 61 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Gopal on 26-Mar-2004 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Damien McKenna):
[Quote]One question: why did AInc tell the world (and courts) for a year that they owned AOS if they had already sold it?[/Quote]

They didnīt, They just didnīt say they had sold it. To be quiet is not the same as telling a lie. Remember how Fleecy didnīt tell us anything at all. And I found nowhere in the court documents that anybody claim they own AmigaOS.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 62 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Gru on 26-Mar-2004 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
I agree, this is the worst interview I have ever read in that sense.

"Eyetech has done a wonderful job blah blah blah"

This is a question? hahahaha
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 63 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 26-Mar-2004 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (gadget):
"And tell me why those "amiga inc and garry is lying" tends to be people all dressed up in blue?"

Because the red side are apologist freaks?
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 64 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 26-Mar-2004 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Darth_X):
I mean, how many girls are there around who are into retro computing and nerdy guys who are into anime and retro computing? Seriously! ;)
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 65 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Mar-2004 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Damien McKenna):
"One question: why did AInc tell the world (and courts) for a year that they owned AOS if they had already sold it?"

He answered that. The idea was to keep the whole thing quiet because there are other things he wants to buy, and the price goes up when people know you are interested.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 66 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 26-Mar-2004 16:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Darth_X):
Or guys that even answer their own posts! ;)
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 67 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Mar-2004 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (James Carroll):
> Maybe he means AmigaOS will run on different PPC platforms? Thats my guess.

Or maybe he means a virtual machine along the lines of UAE. In some sense, AmigaOS is like Java: it runs everywhere (with an m68k emulator), it has a virtual CPU (m68k), it has a well-defined complete API (OS3) and it certainly has a big pool of software, specifically games. A mobile device that could run Amiga games would be interesting.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 68 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Mar-2004 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Don Cox):
It was neverthelless a lie in front of the judge...Or it is now, when they told, they bought the OS rights a year ago...
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 69 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 26-Mar-2004 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Sam Smith):
Which questions in particular did you not feel was asked? Maybe we can submit them to KMOS and they can answer them? I can understand him not wanting to talk about future customers as OS4 isn't ready yet and it is likely not in their interest to go fully public.

The 'problem,' for us info-addicts, is that KMOS is not AInc., Hyperion, or Eyetech, and so all the really interesting stuff ("What's the deal with Mai?" "Has anyone written a new line of code for the DE or AACE base distribution in the past three years?" "Did Hyperion have a clue during half of these shenanigans?") is theirs to disclose, not his.

The one question I can think of that he could have knowledge to address: "Does Itec have anything to do with Eyetech?"
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 70 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Mar-2004 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Gopal):
> They didnīt [say that they do not own AmigaOS], They just didnīt say they had sold

They claimed ownership before a judge. Isn't that good enough for you?!
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 71 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Mar-2004 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Gru):
"Why has it everyone forgot McBill testified in court he was not CEO, that Garry Hare was?"

I think we have to accept that there was a period when Garry very nearly did become CEO of Amiga Inc, and both he and Bill McEwen thought it was going to happen any day.

Hence both this and the card. No doubt it was unwise to announce it before the deal was finalized, but I don't see that any deliberate deception was involved in this instance.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 72 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Mar-2004 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Darth_X):
>hehe.. I don't think a card saying I'm the CEO of AmigaInc would help me pick
>up girls! It would have to be something new and more cool! ;)

How about putting on a pair of "nerdy" glasses and claiming to be CEO of Microsoft? I bet that will work!!! ;-)
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 73 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 26-Mar-2004 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (SlimJim):
@SlimJim

You're assuming there is nothing to hide and everything is above board.

Once you drop that assumption you'll see exactly why a lot of people are saying that there are a bunch of questions still to be asked and answers still to be given. If I'm assuming AW sanitised the interview to make sure they didn't offend or upset Mr Hare it's because they have a track record for doing so. You can't take a militant attitude in support of all things AmigaOS4 and expect not to be judged by that marker.

If you're tired of reading views that consider everything coming from AW as being influenced by their declared policy of support and therefore sanitised or biased, you are free not to read them.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 74 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Mar-2004 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Christophe Decanini):
"I would say that Linux is cross platform. AmigaOS and OSX are not."

I think that is true right now, but AOS4 could fairly easily become cross-platform if the budget is there for Hyperion to port it.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 75 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Mar-2004 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Gru):
>You mean like coupons which will not be honored and tee shirts that will not be shipped?

Care to tell us where he said that the coupons would not be honoured? I suggest
you read it again without your tinted glasses on...
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 76 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Gru on 26-Mar-2004 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Anonymous):
>> Question 4.2: What about those coupons and T-shirts?
> Garry: I've been expecting this question. KMOS has no legal obligation to
> honour past promotional activities.

It's that simple, everything after the period is FLUFF. Also no one seems to notice that party pack free OS4 offers weren't even mentioned.

So many scams, so little time:-(
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 77 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by gadget on 26-Mar-2004 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Gru):
So many people with weird ideas, so little time ;-)
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 78 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 26-Mar-2004 17:18 GMT
nice read :)

well i already knew it but it just shows even more what scum Bill Buck is and always has been since the viscorp days.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 79 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 26-Mar-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Gru):
>So many scams, so little time:-(

And exactly how many Party Packs and OS4 Coupons do you own?
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 80 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by gadget on 26-Mar-2004 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Gru):
And, how has these "scams" affected yor life? Have you ever contributed with something useful in the community? instead of speaking nonsense? Tell me :-P
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 81 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 26-Mar-2004 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Darrin):
Does ANYONE own an OS4 coupon? Did anyone get one?
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 82 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 26-Mar-2004 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
...and the will to do so. There is little evidence of either at the moment.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 83 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Gru on 26-Mar-2004 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (gadget):
> instead of speaking nonsense?

Instead of discounting what I say because you happen to be a fan of OS4, why not think about it for a minute? Is there a single thing I have said which is untrue? I only speak truth!

If you stay in the dark for long, you are likely to be eaten by a gru!
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 84 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 26-Mar-2004 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Darrin):
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, does it make any noise?
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 85 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 26-Mar-2004 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Gru):
Lets see ... oh there ...

"You mean like coupons which will not be honored "
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 86 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 26-Mar-2004 17:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Gru):
>> Also no one seems to notice that party pack free OS4 offers weren't even
>> mentioned.

He talks about "$50 and $100 coupons". The latter would be the party pack offers.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 87 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 26-Mar-2004 17:35 GMT
Excellent interview.

It would appear that a certain "EX Amiga employee" is gonna get "THE SLAPS".

We'll never guess who that is !! :p


(Do you think he's packing his dacks ?)
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 88 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by D-Dan on 26-Mar-2004 17:35 GMT
Hmmm - the absurd level of paranoia on these forums baffles me more and more each day.

To everyone that has made claims that Garry Hare lied, that his remarks were fluff, that he has deliberately manipulated facts over the past 12 months, or that he has been involved in extremely closed deals simply to put one over on the competition, I say - Prove it. If you ain't got proof, all you have is a small mind full of conspiracy theories.

In short - put up or shut up!
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 89 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by gadget on 26-Mar-2004 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Gru):
And my guess is, you are a morpos/genesi fan? U only speak the truth? Give me a break, if you think ur a prophet or something, think again.

Your only doing this to split up the community, but the community is tougher than you think.

What is your gain in all this BS talking? Nothing, you have absolutely no impact at all in the community, people rather look at you as a fool.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 90 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 26-Mar-2004 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anonymous):
Anonymous: "It was neverthelless a lie in front of the judge...Or it is now, when they told, they bought the OS rights a year ago..."

Gopal: "And I found nowhere in the court documents that anybody claim they own AmigaOS."

Okay, who is telling the truth here? Anonymous, or Gopal who appears to have read the court documents?

There are a lot of things going around on ANN that appear to be word of mouth and might not have been true in the first place. This is one of the things. The issue is that these unverified 'facts' are used as ammunition against Amiga Inc, KMOS, etc. Hell, completely made up stuff is used against KMOS and Amiga Inc in this very thread!

Amiga Inc have shut up, thank god. It is for the best. I think the interview has closed a lot of previous speculation, e.g., the business card - he printed them in anticipation - hence the poor business card quality - and the people he gave them to were told that he was anticipating the position, not that he had it. I feel sorry for Wayne on Amiga.org as he was misused by bbrv .... bbrv knew the state of play, yet misrepresented it to Wayne (mis)using the business card as evidence.

I hope that people will be able to live with Amiga Inc and KMOS not using forums as notices of future product releases! Not that I'd expect anything like that from a professional company.

Let's hope that Amiga Inc sort out the court cases and pay money that is owed and get back on track with whatever they are doing. Genesi hopefully will get some money and pay their employees, and then get on and be professional and do whatever they want to do.

Oh, and I find all this stuff on ANN against AmigaWorld.net as being totally childish and petulant. Get over it already.

In the end, what counts is final released products and software - not beta software, not beta hardware! Not hardware that will suddenly not be made anymore. Not software that isn't fully completed and operational and supporting the hardware it runs on fully. This applies to both sides.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 91 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 26-Mar-2004 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
SPECULATION:

Hmmm, Hyperion took on paid work last year that wasn't AmigaOS4 ... well, it wasn't AmigaOS4 for AmigaOne anyway. I'm sure they weren't allowed to disclose what that work was, but what if it was porting work for AmigaOS4 to ARM, MIPS or whatever?

That would be why Garry Hare is saying that AmigaOS4 is cross platform, and then going on about portable stuff.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 92 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 26-Mar-2004 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Bill Hoggett):
heh if morphos-news.de for example did an "Ask buck" thing i'm sure all their questions would be all nicey nice and not ask the 100's of awkard questions.....which would be pointless anyway since bill buck would just make up lies like usual.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 93 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 26-Mar-2004 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (D-Dan):
A voice of reason amid the insanity! I've come to the conclusion that ANN now stands for Absolute Nonsense and Noise.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 94 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Gru on 26-Mar-2004 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (D-Dan):
> In short - put up or shut up!

Where the hell you been?

http://www.merlancia.us/amigabk/
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 95 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 26-Mar-2004 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Graham_nli):
> Okay, who is telling the truth here? Anonymous, or Gopal who appears to have read the court documents?

Yes, its indeed *not* part of the available court documents and is claimed to be a part that has not been made available by the court for whatever reasons. Conclusion: we dont know if that happened and it isnt important for this case anyway.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 96 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 26-Mar-2004 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (KenH):
I'm with you on that!
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 97 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 26-Mar-2004 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Graham_nli):
> That would be why Garry Hare is saying that AmigaOS4 is cross platform, and then going on about portable stuff.

It really seems with cross-platform he means usable across pda, phone and desktop systems, imo scalable would fit better.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 98 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by D-Dan on 26-Mar-2004 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Gru):
>Where the hell you been?

Onviously to a better school than you. "Prove it" means "Show me the evidence" - not point me to a whole ream of court documents (that I've already read) , and prove absolutely nothing against anything that G Hare said.
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 99 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Gru on 26-Mar-2004 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (gadget):
> And my guess is, you are a morpos/genesi fan?

Nope, not really.

> U only speak the truth?

Yup

>Give me a break, if you think ur a prophet or something, think again.

Not a prophet, that requires being able to see the future. I never claimed to do that. I can only see the past, but that is apparently something some people are either incapable or unwilling to do.

> Your only doing this to split up the community, but the community is tougher
> than you think.

No sorry it is you doing the damage not me. You don't coddle criminals, you expose them for who they are. So far KMOS has done nothing to prove to anyone that they are a legitimate outfit and have done everything to prove the opposite.

> What is your gain in all this BS talking? Nothing, you have absolutely no
> impact at all in the community, people rather look at you as a fool.

What do you have to gain for trying to discredit me? Is your reality that fragile that you must lash out at anyone with an opposing view point?
Garry Hare Interview Now ONLINE : Comment 100 of 364ANN.lu
Posted by Jamie_S on 26-Mar-2004 17:51 GMT
Umm.... a very interesting and, IMHO a positive interview. Mr. Harre sounds a very experience and professional fellow and his backing of AmigaOS can only be a good thing. Thanks to Garry and AW.net .
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