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Posted on 28-May-2004 18:01 GMT by pixie22 comments
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As seen on Morphzone, Atlantis has seen the light of the day on MorphOS. The first screenshots [shot 1 | shot 2] were shown, and despite being an early version it clearly showns that it is happening! Atlantis is a lightweight Web browser based on GtkHTML2 and GNOME-VFS [...]A Web browser that fully integrates into the Desktop and that don't depend on another browser or parts of that browser

Keep the good work oGALAXYo! 8)
Atlantis : Comment 1 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 28-May-2004 16:07 GMT
I went to one of the pictures and here's part of the description:

"Submitted by: oGALAXYo
Description: .... This is NO final, NO complete and NO KHTML. It's only a demonstration and some freaking around with classes. It's heavily in early stage and work in progress."


Then the first comment is :

"I'm looking foward to see a final version soon :)"


Just thought it was kind funny and made me smile. People always want things right now. :)

Anyway, oGALAXYo seriously kicks some major booty. Very nice to see some one working toward a new browser.
Atlantis : Comment 2 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2004 16:07 GMT
Well, as said, it's a VERY early version (a MUI interface with
bookmarks), but indeed it's a sign of at least something is happening
with Galaxy's browser project!

Go go go! :)

Galaxy rulez! :)
Atlantis : Comment 3 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 28-May-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Agima):
Indeed, but lets hope it is finished before 2010 :)
Atlantis : Comment 4 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2004 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (itix):
I put more hope in this one than in the Amiga Mozilla thingy. Let's
see who will be first in a v1.0 release!
Atlantis : Comment 5 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 28-May-2004 16:22 GMT
some interesting info about atlantis
Atlantis : Comment 6 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 28-May-2004 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (pixie):
That's still quite an old comment. I'm unsure if the work is still proceeding quite the same way...

In the story in the original post, Galaxy replies stating current plans. I'm not sure if there is still collaboration between AWeb and Galaxy? At least we do know that Galaxy got his developer's board. (Thankfully too, as I'm benifitting from his VIM updates... ;))
Atlantis : Comment 7 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 28-May-2004 17:12 GMT
Looks like it uses a GTK port?
Atlantis : Comment 8 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 28-May-2004 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Kjetil):
Looks like you still haven't found a single clue.
Atlantis : Comment 9 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 28-May-2004 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Kronos):
Yes I know I'm so lazy
Atlantis : Comment 10 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2004 21:00 GMT
hey, I can do that in Photoshop. Maybe even FXPaint.
how about showing us some solid results? Like a working executable!
Atlantis : Comment 11 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2004 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> hey, I can do that in Photoshop. Maybe even FXPaint.

Yes, but it wouldn't look so bad ;) Don't understand the exitement. One window, one toolbar, one listview with bookmarks? One afternoon (if I'm drunk), much less if I'm sober. This is ridiculous.
Atlantis : Comment 12 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-May-2004 00:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
> Yes, but it wouldn't look so bad ;) Don't understand the exitement. One window,
> one toolbar, one listview with bookmarks? One afternoon (if I'm drunk), much
> less if I'm sober. This is ridiculous.

And why haven't you done it then ? I would like to see you doing all this within one afternoon. Oh wait you have the magic 'I know everything' mentality, of course you do not need to read documents, of course ou know out of nothing how the XBEL Format looks and of course your first attempts will result in 100% functioning stuff. People like you are the best examples of to much blah blah but no own results.
Atlantis : Comment 13 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-May-2004 06:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
> And why haven't you done it then?

I just tried to ridicule the approach and you challenge me to do the same?! Smart thinking. If you want to create a browser (or any other application), you don't start with the icing on the cake but with the cake itself. In this case, after the design phase, you might start with an offline browser, ie. HTML renderer, then add scripting, then add networking. Bookmarks? A bit of trivial code on top of the real thing, baby programming, reserved for the last week of the project. Btw, I once tried to create a rendering library just for fun. One idea was to write a renderer that contains editing so that you would get HTML rendering and HTML editing with the same core. Well, it was complicated, to say the least, I didn't even get beyond the intial parsing HTML steps.

> I would like to see you doing all this within one afternoon

I said I might need an afternoon if I'm drunk :) For a window, a toolbar, a menu and a listview I wouldn't need more than two hours and throw in a rexx port, too. It's like Lego, I'd grab the useful parts of skeleton code every developer has.
Atlantis : Comment 14 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-May-2004 08:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
... a loser has spoken ...

Why don't you care for your own shit and let others do their thing the way they want to do it. If you could do it better then you would have done so already. You are only talking out of your ass right now which implies that you are quite clueless.
Atlantis : Comment 15 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 29-May-2004 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
Which would make perfect sense if Galaxy was to create a browser from scratch.

But he isn't, and therefore it is quite logic to 1st create all the suroundings needed by KHTML, and than to drop in the renderer.
Atlantis : Comment 16 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-May-2004 09:01 GMT
> ... baby programming ... I once tried to create a rendering library just for fun.

Failed eh ? Sucks to be you. I in your case would have used what's there already even if it was just a freaking TextObject under MUI. Only to throw out what you get through the stream of a webpage to see something. I would have connected the things like 'Lego' and made sure that the work I started will shape into something. Once this has been done I would start looking to get something usable as rendering engine and get it ported - instead of re-inventing the wheel over and over again.

Do you think the KHTML people got a working Rendering Engine over night ? Do you think the Mozilla people got a l33t Gecko over night ? They started to work on these things simultaneously and later on they changed the code over and over again because they made mistakes in the beginning, they gained knowledge over time and made things differently. This (Atlantis) is also a one men's project and not a team project like Mozilla.

I would urge you to stop trolling like you would have done everything differently, correctly - as if you have done anything in your life. Your uber l33t demonstration of being a l33t h4x0r only demonstrates that you have a significant issue - to work with other people in a team or on a project. Even if you are a good developer, you need to think about that. There are also other good developers outside and some are even better than you and I and regardless how good someone is, nobody gives a fucking fuck about his l33t skills, if he can't motivate other people, teamwork with other people, encourage other people and talk in a normal way with them.

If you really knew everthing better then you would already have done so. Your l33t h4x0r ski77z on your html parser didn't manifest in anything usable at the moment (if you ever have written something). So don't teach other people how to do their stuff as long as you are not willing or not in the position to do the same. Even if the approach of Atlantis is wrong in your eyes - it at least has been started and doing fine.

While you would have snipped with your fingers and everything is being written in one 'noon, others need to read some stuff about MUI, Boopsi, Intuition, Graphics and CyberGfx. Also others need to read the API of the 200 functions inside LibXML (to figure out what he exactly needs) then again others need to read the Autodocs of all the stuff they use. So I and probably most other readers need to urge you to stop speaking out of the ass.

The way Atlantis was started is a good one and you would have figured why it has been started the way it is right now. Once you are off from Amiga for over 7-8 years and you come back to it then it's most likely a known fact that you have forget so much that you need some time to get into all this. If you'd started in writing a Renderer (from basicly NULL knowledge) then you would have given up in a short time because the task is simply to big for the current skill you have. You need to do it the other way. The same applies for other projects such as MorphOS as OS itself. The people working on it have done other work before they started with it. They worked on Amiga and gained a lot of knowledge that they can use to get through this big task of delivering others a working OS and they somehow managed it to cooperate and work together to achieve this goal.
Atlantis : Comment 17 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-May-2004 18:30 GMT
That guy really should get outside more often instead of behind the compiler :)
Well, keep up the good work i'd say

Cheers
Atlantis : Comment 18 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-May-2004 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Well, i know that when i compile "hello world" it will run & print out "hello world", does that count? :P
Atlantis : Comment 19 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Trollers Anonymous on 29-May-2004 21:08 GMT
If you guys, especially you Anon_Re, put half the effort you put into trolling into coding, you could be supercoders! Take this as a compliment
Atlantis : Comment 20 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Felix on 30-May-2004 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Trollers Anonymous):
I think the screenshots look great.

> hey, I can do that in Photoshop. Maybe even FXPaint.
> how about showing us some solid results? Like a working executable!

Doesn't matter if there are grabs or not, both way's you shout it's fake.
What good does a executable in this early state do for users.

> Yes, but it wouldn't look so bad ;) Don't understand the exitement. One >
> window, one toolbar, one listview with bookmarks? One afternoon (if I'm
> drunk), much less if I'm sober. This is ridiculous.

Yes your right, you do seem to be very drunk.

Anonymous wimps..
Atlantis : Comment 21 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 31-May-2004 05:08 GMT
Ali, nice to see some progress on Atlantis, as I had this far only seen a lot of VIM ports :)
Atlantis : Comment 22 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 31-May-2004 12:24 GMT
it's true there isn't a lot here, but this is news, only becauset this is what passes for news now.

don't fault GalaxyO for the state of this community.
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