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[News] OS4 progress since pre-releaseANN.lu
Posted on 08-Jun-2004 21:47 GMT by Peter Gordon228 comments
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Hans-Jorg Frieden has posted a detailed status update on the progress of OS4 to Amigaworld.net. Brief summary:

· Picasso96 and MUI PPC native
· Kernel supports PPC performance monitor and Altivec
· Moovid (released with OS3.9 as "action") is now running native, and can play DivX and other common formats
· GCC 3.4.0 is ported
· The C libraries are much faster. As a result AmiPDF is up to 60 times faster.
· Serial and floppy drivers coming soon
· USB is working and supports HID devices like keyboards and mice as well as HID joysticks and steering wheels, and USB mass storage devices like USB sticks, flash card readers, 7-in-1 card readers and cameras
· A1 IDE device now has working UDMA support. Also, interrupts are no longer polled but delivered properly. This means that the device does not require any CPU time for transfers.

This material will in due course be released for download to registered users of the Developer Pre-release on our web site at: http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz

There is more detail in the original AW.net posting.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 1 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 08-Jun-2004 20:08 GMT
And UDMA is now up & running ...

W00t.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 2 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 20:15 GMT
Great news -- gimme, gimme, gimme! :DancingBanana:

When will we see a port to the Pegasos? Sorry for I can't currently afford
an AmigaOne. But I could very well imagine to run MorphOS on an old I-Mac
of mine, so that I could give OS4 a spin on the Peggy! :-)

- Oppressor
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 3 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 08-Jun-2004 20:44 GMT
"Note:This message may not be reproduced in any form without permission."

I'm just curious: Does HJF gave his permission to reproduce his post?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 4 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Chip):
The post isn't being reproduced, its being linked to.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 5 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 08-Jun-2004 21:32 GMT
This certainly looks good on paper, but tell me: Is this actually being delivered to the public right now, or is it perhaps rather some vague "ambitions for an undefined future"(/vapor)?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 6 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 08-Jun-2004 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (takemehomegrandma):
The pre-release is what is being delivered to end users.

What Hans-Jörg described is what has happened since the pre-release was sent off to duplication. Obviously these pieces will need as thorough testing as the stuff that was included on the pre-release CD before it is distributed as updates.

And hey, some people are still waiting for the CD some places in the world. Give them a break ;)
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 7 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jun-2004 23:43 GMT
cd AfigmaOS12
patch -p0 < stolen_linux_code.diff
patch -p0 < stolen_aros_code.diff
./configure
make
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 8 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 00:27 GMT
Who owns MUI now?
http://www.sasg.com/ hasn't reported changes to MUI since 1998.. did Stefan Stuntz just hand over the source code to MUI at a price, or is he working on it too or what?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 9 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 00:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Whoops, meant 1997 :)
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 10 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Jacob on 09-Jun-2004 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
So this is the new line of attack from the moronic anonymous brigade is it, now the AmigaOS4 is vaporware aproach has been so badly ruined by an actual release of an OS4 version!?

Accuse them of stealing code.....?!!!

Oh dear.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 11 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 00:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Jacob):
There *is* a court case going on... who's to say whether code was pirated or not!?
Seriously though, I find it hard to believe Amiga bothered with lots of piracy of code. Sounds like they were too busy to me.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 12 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 01:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Stefan Stunz still works on MUI and the next version of native MUI for MorphOS 1.5 is heavily expanded with new features and many bugfixes. The native MUI used in OS4 is an older version 3.8 or something while we on MOS are close to 4.0
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 13 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Jun-2004 02:15 GMT
Rolling rolling rolling...!
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 14 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 09-Jun-2004 02:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Last I heard the MOS deve
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 15 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 03:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (the man in the shadows):
You aren't Clark Kent from Batman and Robin ?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 16 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 09-Jun-2004 03:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (the man in the shadows):
That was basically my understanding too, except theres two separate MUI versions being developed now. One for AmigaOS and one for MOS. AOS version is at 3.9. I dont know what enhancements there are in the MOS version though. I think gradients might be one.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 17 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 09-Jun-2004 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (James Carroll):
>That was basically my understanding too, except theres two separate MUI versions being developed now. One for AmigaOS and one for MOS.

Was there also version for AROS?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 18 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Yee Ha! on 09-Jun-2004 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (takemehomegrandma):
Your typical idiotic comments. It's neither, it's not being delivered and it's not an undefinite future, they have it now. Then again, I'm not expecting you to be able to read AND understand what you read.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 19 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Yee Ha! on 09-Jun-2004 05:11 GMT
usually events unfold this way:
1) The Amiga World gives some good news
2) Buck and his dogs try to throw mud at Amiga and Hyperion.

Watch and see...
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 20 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Jun-2004 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Yee Ha!):
Boumadogs.. Buckdogs... that rhymes
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 21 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (hooligan/dcs):
I prefer cats anyway ;D
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 22 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Jun-2004 07:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
"I prefer cats anyway ;D"

There once was two cats of Kilkenny.
Each thought there was one cat too many,
So they quarreled and fit,
And they scratched and they bit,
'Till barring their nails
And the tips of their tails,
Instead of two cats there weren't any.

(traditional)
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 23 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 09-Jun-2004 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Jupp3):
Yes, but the AROS version is free and open source developed by the AROS team.

I think it's good to see Hyperion working on getting MUI support up to scratch, then they can drop nasty, smelly, Reaction :-D
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 24 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 09-Jun-2004 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Matt Parsons):
ReAction on OS4 is actually very nice. They won't "ditch" it, MUI is provided for legacy purposes only.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 25 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 09-Jun-2004 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (the man in the shadows):
> MOS and Hyperion went into an agreement with Stunzi about using a CVS. So
> any of the new features compiled and shared for MOS will be available for
> OS4 and vice versa

It would be the case in an ideal world.
The fact is that MOS can use the MUI CVS but OS4 people can't. OS4 coders are forced to give back their modifications but not MOS coders.
So it means that at some point you'll have two different MUI libs and coders will have to release their programs in two versions: a MOS MUI and an OS4 MUI. :-(

Who should we thank for that ?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 26 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 09-Jun-2004 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Jupp3):
> Was there also version for AROS?

Nope, no MUI for us, we (and you) have Zune.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 27 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 09-Jun-2004 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Peter Gordon):
> ReAction on OS4 is actually very nice.

Reaction can be nice aestethically speaking, but other than that...
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 28 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Jun-2004 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Peter Gordon):
"ReAction on OS4 is actually very nice. They won't "ditch" it, MUI is provided for legacy purposes only."

I find the very wide window borders shown in all the screen grabs unattractive compared to a typical MUI interface on OS3.9. IMO it would have been better to use MUI and CGFX in AOS4 than Reaction and P96.

"Legacy" is a bit misleading. It will allow new programs coded for MUI to run, as well as older ones. IMO it would be more sensible to code for MUI, as it would then be easier to make versions for all the Amiga-style OSes.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 29 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 09-Jun-2004 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Fabio Alemagna):
What about gadtools?
I remember gadtools as where nice to code for inn BlitzBasic,
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 30 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 09-Jun-2004 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Jupp3):
MUI is not an open source product, it can't be included inn AROS, anymore then how it's included inn AmigaOS4.0

anyway AROS they have Zune :)
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 31 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 09-Jun-2004 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Don Cox):
Changing the border size globally also affects MUI. I've changed my window borders to be around the same size as 3.x compared to the rest of it.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 32 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Don Cox):
See Don Cox, this is exactly the point. There are a lot of Applications who use MUI and CGX because they are better than P96 and Reaction. Reaction is basicly a NEW Toolkit and needs to gain acceptance in the OS4 world first. Not to mention that Developers need to reeducate to use it.

That's why I think that MorphOS will always be leading here and always have the nose in front with their technology and Amiga spirit. They have the people who initially brought all this stuff to Amiga, these things are not lost.

How do you think Stunzi feels if the OS4 people go with Reaction mainstream, it's like saying MUI sucks or something. While the MorphOS people honour MUI as the Toolkit. A lot of real inplementations can be found on MorphOS while on OS4 the people went over to alternative solutions because they couldn't arrange themselves with the other party.

It's a bit hard to describe. Also the usage of *.lo (ld.so) shared libararies is more UNIX'ish than true Amiga'ish. This has nothing to do about bashing OS4 and hyping MorphOS or something, this has something to do with the clear spirit of the Amiga and how the things are meant to be. It's ok that Hyperion owns the legetime license to hack on OS4 but the question is, will OS4 still be the OS everyone was waiting for all the years ? Will it still be Amiga'ish in 2-4 years ?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 33 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 09:46 GMT
Oh Don Cox, not to forget that way you write applications:

intuition->foo->bar->OpenWindowTags(....,....,...);

This is so much unnatural and not Amiga'ish. It's pretty much slaughtering a working and proven API.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 34 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Jun-2004 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
"Changing the border size globally also affects MUI. I've changed my window borders to be around the same size as 3.x compared to the rest of it."

I would be interested to see a screen grab of that.

It will be the middle of next year at least before I consider buying an AmigaOne, but it is very interesting to see how it is going.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 35 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 09-Jun-2004 10:07 GMT
Very impressive list!!! Thanks to all involved in OS4!
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 36 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 09-Jun-2004 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Yeah, we don't want simple and beautiful, god damn it. WE WANT AWKWARD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD!!!

(I just couldn't resist).
Tell me, can you spell evolution?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 37 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans on 09-Jun-2004 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
>That's why I think that MorphOS will always be leading here and always have >the nose in front with their technology and Amiga spirit. They have the people >who initially brought all this stuff to Amiga, these things are not lost.

Like the Warp3D authors you mean?
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 38 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans):
Ben as if you know the difference between a black and a white cow.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 39 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 09-Jun-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
This is not Ben/Hyperion, he has registered nick
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 40 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 09-Jun-2004 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kjetil):
No, but the faker makes a valid point.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 41 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 09-Jun-2004 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Well, if you don't want to explicitly use interface pointers (which personally, I really like), you can add:

-D__USE_INLINE__

to your compile flags, and then it looks just like it did in OS3.x.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 42 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Peter Gordon):
Except for the part that you need to query the interface first and put it into a global variable, correct? Or are ALL libraries being opened automatically now? That would be indeed a major breakthrough to render the AmigaOS unrecognizable. :-)

- Oppressor
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 43 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Peg2 on 09-Jun-2004 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
1. RTFM
2. IFace->OpenWindowTags(...,...,,..);
to be correct,

but hey! Look @ this:

3. #include <inline4/intuition.h>

OpenWindowTags(...,...,...);

Don't spread silly FUD.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 44 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 09-Jun-2004 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Peter Gordon):
That Hyperion have signed agreements whit individual developers from H&P, and others.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 45 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Peg2 on 09-Jun-2004 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Peter Gordon):
This is even better solution than mine. ;)
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 46 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Peg2):
I consider programs that require such a silly include to be broken and not Amiga like.
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 47 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 09-Jun-2004 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
Oh no! Heaven forbid you might have to add:

#ifdef __amigaos4__
IMyLib = (struct MyLibIFace *)GetInterface( MyLibBase, "main", 1, NULL );
#endif

...

#ifdef __amigaos4__
DropInterface( (struct Interface *)IMyLib );
#endif

to your programs!!! THE WORLD WILL SURELY END!!!
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 48 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Peg2):
Intuition, big deal. Does the same work for AHI?

- Oppressor
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 49 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jun-2004 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Peter Gordon):
I agree, this is the end...

- Oppressor
OS4 progress since pre-release : Comment 50 of 228ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 09-Jun-2004 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
Well, i'm sorry if you see progress as a bad thing. Maybe we should all be using Kickstart 1.0 on our Amiga 1000s.
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