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[News] Online Pegasos Sales are back!!!ANN.lu
Posted on 13-Jul-2004 02:56 GMT by JKD157 comments
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BBRV announced on MorphZone that online ordering is back!
Morphzone Forums Steve BBRV announced on MorphZone that online ordering is back!
Morphzone Forums Check out the store, follow the Store link on: PegasosPPC.com
Thanks,
Steve
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 1 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 03:54 GMT
Sales are back, but is there anything to sell? Delivery times would be handy.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 2 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by JKD (69.4.130.22) on 13-Jul-2004 05:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
From the store site:

"Delivery scheduled on or before 15th August 2004. Sales are made on a first come, first served basis. The production quantities are limited."

Steve
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 3 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by opi (212.244.193.80) on 13-Jul-2004 05:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
Wanna put your hands on another Peggy? ;))
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 4 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (opi):
Not me, but some people I know
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 5 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH (195.38.100.106) on 13-Jul-2004 06:59 GMT
Only G4 systems. It seems the major order was for G4s - because that is a Motorola CPU? :) The more the better however :)
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 6 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Jope (192.100.116.143) on 13-Jul-2004 09:16 GMT
Pegasos 1 april 2 G3 for sale for those of you who can't wait! :-)

PM me on morphzone or amiga.org for details.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 7 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Senex (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Jope):
> Pegasos 1 april 2 G3 for sale
> for those of you who can't wait!

For a good price I could be tempted to sell mine, too (Germany). :-)
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 8 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (83.89.176.218) on 13-Jul-2004 10:19 GMT
Let's see if the promised demoscene pegasoses are finally delivered after all then...
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 9 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
You'll get your Pegasos when there are Pegasos spare for you to get.

While Freescale (and now AMIGA RESELLERS!) are ordering them, we're making
them to order. There are none spare after each run to just give to people.
That, and we can't really afford to be giving you 300 worth of Pegasos for
free.

What's more important to you, getting a free machine that we'd have to go
bankrupt for providing, or waiting a LITTLE longer while we produce hundreds
of machines for a large semiconductor partner and get paid for it?

Neko
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 10 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
>You'll get your Pegasos when there are Pegasos spare for you to get.<

ie, don't hold your breath. If you are waiting for Salary monies and legally required social security benefits, likewise, you'd go blue and die before you ever get squared up.

>While Freescale (and now AMIGA RESELLERS!) are ordering them, we're making
them to order. There are none spare after each run to just give to people.
That, and we can't really afford to be giving you 300 worth of Pegasos for
free.<

exactly.

>What's more important to you, getting a free machine that we'd have to go
bankrupt for providing, or waiting a LITTLE longer while we produce hundreds
of machines for a large semiconductor partner and get paid for it?<

While you produce hundreds? I thought you needed 20,000 a month just to strike even.

Its almost freaky, if you changed the name, and the time, we could have said that kinda crap would come from many a previous scumbag. Say, we you not the people who went to great lengths to highlight others failings in this area. Hypocrits.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 11 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
>>What's more important to you, getting a free machine that we'd have to go
bankrupt for providing, or waiting a LITTLE longer while we produce hundreds
of machines


Huh, didn't Amiga Inc. get chastised over and over for breaking a promise of giving out stupid free T-Shirts? Hypocrisy indeed.

Why make a promise to someone and then bash them in the forums when you're the one not living up to you end? Rude...
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 12 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Kittycat (195.249.151.142) on 13-Jul-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (AdmV0rl0n):
Sort of poetic justice, innit?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 13 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Agima):
It's not rude.

Patience is a virtue, or did you forget that?

Amiga took your money - $50 of it for some newsletter and a t-shirt - and
they never provided the t-shirt, and the prize draw turned out to be illegal!

How does that equate to a promise to give demosceners free boards (some ON
LOAN) for creating demos and winning demoparties, and not having the resources
at the present time to fulfil it?

Just like everyone who has been promised a Pegasos because of something, you
will get it when there are some available in a put-aside lot of boards. At the
present time there is no such put-aside lot of boards, every single one has to
go to a paying customer because that's how business works when you're short on
cash.

WAIT.. just a little longer. That's all I ask. I may be rude by calling you
all impatient, but it is not rude to ask you to bear with us while we ride this
out.

Neko
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 14 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (AdmV0rl0n):
>>semiconductor partner

Yeah, you mean Freescale (aka Motorola)

I'm SUUUUURRREEE they have long term goals of buying PPC boards from Genesi.

I'm sure if they ever have any real interest in an open PPC motherboard they'll build it themselves for 1/5 the cost Genesi could ever dream of, or contract with some huge MB manufacturer in Tawain, not with a couple of guys building motherboards one at a time, on 'First Come First Served' basis, out in a shed somewhere being bundled by people that drool all over the boards.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 15 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Neko):
>>>>Amiga took your money - $50 of it for some newsletter and a t-shirt - and
they never provided the t-shirt, and the prize draw turned out to be illegal!

How does that equate to a promise to give demosceners free boards (some ON
LOAN) for creating demos and winning demoparties, and not having the resources
at the present time to fulfil it?

---

The $50 bucks has nothing to with it, that's how I 'equate' it.

Some were promised a 'free' T-Shirt. Some were promised a 'free' PEG motherboard. The blue chastised the Amiga Inc for stupid T-Shirts, is all I'm saying, and now they're lushing on motheboards. It just makes them look incompitent and like a bunch of hypocrits is all.. no offence intended of course.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 16 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Agima):
> I'm sure if they ever have any real interest in an open PPC motherboard they'll
> build it themselves for 1/5 the cost Genesi could ever dream of,

Well, you're obviously wrong. Can we say "envy", here?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 17 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Neko):
>>>WAIT.. just a little longer. That's all I ask. I may be rude by calling you
all impatient, but it is not rude to ask you to bear with us while we ride this out.

And how long did you guys wait before bashing Amiga?? Did you have this same attitude, to bare with them and wait it out? Even though it was just over some stupid T-Shirts? I don't think so...
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 18 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Agima):
> The $50 bucks has nothing to with it, that's how I 'equate' it.

I see... indedd, modding reality to fit your needs is one of the common tactics to try to win an already lost case :-)
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 19 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>Well, you're obviously wrong. Can we say "envy", here?

No can you smell the reality of business??

1. NO WAY Genesi could ever keep up with the demmand that a company liek Freescal would want "IF" they ever 'seriously' got interested in an open PPC MB architecture.

2. There is NO WAY Genesi could ever compete in price with ANY another larger MB manufacturer out there.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 20 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Agima):
So, what you are telling us is that Genesi is bullshitting everyone?

Is that what you're saying?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 21 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>I see... indedd, modding reality to fit your needs is one of the common tactics to try to win an already lost case :-)

Indeed, lets apply some "modding reality" tactics to the PROMISED motherboards then? Were are they? You expect us to ride it out after you've broken promise after promise?

Where are the pay checks?

Where's my SOCIAL SECURITY money?????

Why spend it all in court for something we ALL know you were lying about anyway? I mean you seriosly think you can get AMIGA OS just buy lying in court?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 22 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>So, what you are telling us is that Genesi is bullshitting everyone?

>>Is that what you're saying?


Let's see... How many times have they b*llsh*tted everyone in the past?

Where are all those settop boxes that some "Mysterious" company ordered 5000 PEG motheboards for that were to be delivered by 12/31/03?

What was it they told everyone.... Oh yeah... THEY OWN Amiga OS4 now :) Wonder when that is going to get ported?

I don't you remeber how 'Gracious' they were going to be to Hyperion by continuing to honour their contract and let them continue to develop OS4 even though BB owns it now... :)

No.. I don't think they are trying to BS anyone... :)
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 23 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Agima):
> No.. I don't think they are trying to BS anyone... :)

Ok, if that's what you think (sorry, but I asked a direct answer), then why all this fuss?

If that's not what you think, say it clearly, so you can be accounted for it: do you think or do you not think Genesi is lying to all of us? Are you ready to bet on it? Will you stop spamming ANN with your rants if you are proven wrong?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 24 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Neko):
But Neko, we all know you have a bunch of boards yourself that you are struggling to shift. These are available. Or they were.

Now, when you say 'We' don't have boards.. You are lying are you not. You do have boards, but in true Amiga person, turned celebrity con artist, you now sit here telling people they will get free boards when the time is right.

So, anyone remember Neko's UK sales website for Pegasos sales? ;P
After you rightly made mockery and pointed out the actions of Amiga Inc as being inappropriate, you are heading for slaughter. You've left yourselves so open to being publicly massacred its not funny, and its made worse by each event where you open your mouth and allow more bullshit to fall out. You're best bet would be to disappear for a while and try and not cause more comedy.

I'm really loving that you are attacking people you've shafted YET again in public in defense over your failure to deliver. Go on, DENY that YOU have any Pegasos's

AdmV
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 25 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Agima):
> Indeed, lets apply some "modding reality" tactics to the PROMISED motherboards
> then? Were are they? You expect us to ride it out after you've broken promise
> after promise?

T-Shirts were bought, and never delivered. Peg boards were only promised - and they still are - as a gift, or as a loan. Since when you are <u>entitled</u> to a gift? Can you expect them to go bankrupt giving free boards away, instead of selling them? Free boards, they say, will come as promised... when there will be free boards to hand out.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 26 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Neko):
But Neko, we all know you have a bunch of boards yourself that you are struggling to shift. These are available. Or they were.

Now, when you say 'We' don't have boards.. You are lying are you not. You do have boards, but in true Amiga person, turned celebrity con artist, you now sit here telling people they will get free boards when the time is right.

So, anyone remember Neko's UK sales website for Pegasos sales? ;P
After you rightly made mockery and pointed out the actions of Amiga Inc as being inappropriate, you are heading for slaughter. You've left yourselves so open to being publicly massacred its not funny, and its made worse by each event where you open your mouth and allow more bullshit to fall out. You're best bet would be to disappear for a while and try and not cause more comedy.

I'm really loving that you are attacking people you've shafted YET again in public in defense over your failure to deliver. Go on, DENY that YOU have any Pegasos's

AdmV
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 27 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>do you think or do you not think Genesi is lying to all of us? Are you ready to bet on it?

THEY HAVE LIED DUDE! There is nothing to BET on. Wake up Bro..

Why don't you answer the question then ok? "Where are the 5000 set top boxes?" Bill Buck said they already recieved money for them... I can do a tedious search of Ann I suppose if you want, but BB had said they had already used some of the money given to them from the SetTop box "partner" for other things, but that the Set Top boxes would be delivered. So did he shaft the Set Top box partner or was there NEVER a Set Top box partner to begin with and it was all lies?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 28 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Agima):
You still are not answering... wonder why ;-)

I can only conclude you're afraid of being wrong and be accounted for it, even legally.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 29 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>I can only conclude you're afraid of being wrong and be accounted for it, even legally.

I did answer. RE_ READ THE POST...

So tell me where those set top boxes are won't you?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 30 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 13-Jul-2004 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Agima):
Genesi gave out 147 (IIRC) pre-April motherboads for free + t-shirt. That other company could not deliver cheap t-shirts even. They delivered (now seemingly abandonded) e-magazine. But no, this community are just proud if they were cheated by an Amiga company. No doubt, Genesi have done mistakes but at least it seems they have resolved those now. I don't know if there are employees missing their pay checks (still) but Genesi have improved lot in last 3 months. And maybe few coders are missing their free Peg board. It is shame if they were _promised_ to get free Peg, but OTOH, it is just minor issue.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 31 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (AdmV0rl0n):
The boards I have in stock are NOT free.

I bought them with my own fucking money and intend to sell them, as a
legitimate reseller.

If demosceners wish to spend money on a Pegasos II at my store, they are free
to. Or they can wait.

Neko
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 32 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 13-Jul-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Agima):
"THEY HAVE LIED DUDE! There is nothing to BET on. Wake up Bro.." Dude, I'm saying this straight. If there is a liar it is Ben Hermans.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 33 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Agima):
> I did answer. RE_ READ THE POST...

Sorry, you did not. I asked a precise question about the case at hand, you keep talking about completely different things that are totally irrelevant to what I'm asking: do you think or do you not think that Genesi lie when they say that they have a partnership with Freescale?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 34 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Neko):
Thats the first true and correct thing to leave your keyboard in months.

If only the other crap from you matched that level of reality.

AdmV
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 35 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (itix):
The fact is Genesi lies and they continue to do so.

The thing that grates is the hypocrocy. Genesi is doing the same things as Amiga Inc. But hey, lets forgive Genesi... Well, not me.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 36 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (itix):
>>Dude, I'm saying this straight. If there is a liar it is Ben Hermans.

Itix, maybe you're right. But still doesn't answer the question, "Where are the set top boxes?"
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 37 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Neko):
And there you have it. NEKO works for Genesi, and he has his boards. So the statement 'We don't have boards' was a blatant lie.

'We do have boards, but those fuckers ain't getting them' is closer to the mark.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 38 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Agima):
Freescale are ordering boards in the long term. You're going to have so much
egg on your face in the coming months, I can guarantee it.

There is a Pegasos in nearly every Freescale office on the planet. Freescale
are giving them away to their customers to encourage them to develop for G4
and AltiVec. They are training their employees with our help, and we are
involved in pilot schemes in order to prove out the worth of the Pegasos and
ODW under many real-life environments.

Just watch and learn.. this is how you get a product into a large market.
Duping a bewildered customer-base with holiday prize draws and the promise of a
$2 t-shirt this is not!

There is a list of people who were promised a Pegasos board for demoscene
activity, and as soon as it's possible to fulfil that, they will get them!
That's the stark honest truth, there is no deadline or "maybe next week"
because I cannot be sure. We just started to sell Pegasos boards to Amiga
resellers again, because now we are starting to have the capacity (money-wise)
to build boards over and above the Freescale orders - the resellers really
wanted it, so we gave it to them.

Note that Freescale aren't able to produce boards at 1/5th of the cost; not
without the 4 years of development you usually put into these things. They could start now and they'd be finished about the time we finish the Pegasos 6!

They designed the Sandpoint and the PCI Mezzanine, and that product is going
out of the window now because it's old and boring (no modern peripherals..). It
also costs $4500 for half of what what we offer in a Pegasos for, what, $1400
configured?

Cost reduction is a future goal; mass production is a future goal. We can get
people to make them in batches of 300,000 if we can afford to stump up the
cash for the parts and production cost in advance, at which point a Pegasos
becomes truly throw-away in terms of price :)

Neko
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 39 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Agima):
Did you say they owed you Social Security benefits/payments ?
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 40 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (AdmV0rl0n):
Look, I have two boards left, one of which is reserved for a customer of mine,
and another which is sitting waiting for someone to buy it.

They are not "gifts from Genesi". I can show you the invoice and the bank
transfer documentation if you like, I bought the boards from my own personal
business account, and am selling them from a legitimate, tax-registered
company.

There's no difference between me and Vesalia. Do Vesalia have boards? If they
do, why don't THEY give them away?

Neko
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 41 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 13-Jul-2004 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Agima):
"But still doesn't answer the question, "Where are the set top boxes?"" No idea. It seems they are nowhere. Maybe it was a bluff, or maybe deal was cancelled for some other reasons. If you have your suspects please tell. I know there was a deal (was it Plexuscom?) and they had a stand together in some fair and then it went silent.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 42 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 14:39 GMT
Since this thread somehow took turn towards the demoscene, I think I'm obligated to have some words aswell.

Yes. The boards were promised, three were delivered. That is better than nothing, but still it's not what was promised (BTW, the original plan was about used Pegasos1(!) stuff, not brand new Pegasos2-mobo. This was a nice surprise from Genesi). Anyway you look at it, it's a whole lot more than any of the zero t-shirts that were delivered.

Yes. They were promised long time ago, only to be pushed more and more in past months. This is unfortunate, and a bit more open attitude and explanation would have been in place. I got stuck in the middle answering questions from the demosceners and fishing answers from Genesi. Naturally I understand that there's not always private time for some drunkard scener, but still.

No. Genesi is not entitled to honor this if they don't want to. Things change, priorities change. Business is business. I hold no grudge.


But I have to add one thing.. Pegasos has been shown in television a couple times.. in various shows in many occasions. In _ALL_ these occations demos were shown. The commercial value of (hopefully/maybe) forthcoming MorphOS-demos is nothing to be taken lightly for.

I really hope the rest of the boards will be delivered someday... I'm just worried about how enthuastic those people will be after so long wait. Nothing lasts forever, you know.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 43 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Neko):
You know, watching someone so continually shoot themselves through both feet loses its funny side after a while. Its almost sad to see them get taken in.
============================================================================
Freescale are ordering boards in the long term. You're going to have so much
egg on your face in the coming months, I can guarantee it.
============================================================================
Just another pile of bullshit.

============================================================================
There is a Pegasos in nearly every Freescale office on the planet. Freescale
are giving them away to their customers to encourage them to develop for G4
and AltiVec. They are training their employees with our help, and we are
involved in pilot schemes in order to prove out the worth of the Pegasos and
ODW under many real-life environments.
============================================================================

Its odd, I've never seen 'giveaways' being taken away in one hand and return so quickly when it suits you.
============================================================================
Just watch and learn.. this is how you get a product into a large market.
Duping a bewildered customer-base with holiday prize draws and the promise of a
$2 t-shirt this is not!
=============================================================================

Oh please. My ribs are hurting.

=============================================================================

There is a list of people who were promised a Pegasos board for demoscene
activity, and as soon as it's possible to fulfil that, they will get them!
That's the stark honest truth, there is no deadline or "maybe next week"
because I cannot be sure. We just started to sell Pegasos boards to Amiga
resellers again, because now we are starting to have the capacity (money-wise)
to build boards over and above the Freescale orders - the resellers really
wanted it, so we gave it to them.

===============================================================================

You gave it to them. I doubt that very much indeed.

===============================================================================

Note that Freescale aren't able to produce boards at 1/5th of the cost; not
without the 4 years of development you usually put into these things. They could start now and they'd be finished about the time we finish the Pegasos 6!

==============================================================================

Lets see, I think we've covered this, Neko says that two guys in Germany can fab, produce, develop, better than all of MOT, now called Freescale.

Just remember, the Killer Blades, Firewalls, Partnerships, Set top boxes. They all fell through, but just you watch, this one is gonna flyyyyy.

=============================================================================
They designed the Sandpoint and the PCI Mezzanine, and that product is going
out of the window now because it's old and boring (no modern peripherals..). It
also costs $4500 for half of what what we offer in a Pegasos for, what, $1400
configured?

=============================================================================

Are you all excited yet?

=============================================================================
Cost reduction is a future goal; mass production is a future goal. We can get
people to make them in batches of 300,000 if we can afford to stump up the
cash for the parts and production cost in advance, at which point a Pegasos
becomes truly throw-away in terms of price :)
==============================================================================

Do you remember Set Top Boxes? I'm sure that allied to those statements were.... Cost reduction, and mass production. Yay!. Oh and NOT forgetting ! Throw Away Price !!! Yes!!!!
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 44 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Neko):
But, Vesalia are not 'WE' are they. Either you are part of Genesi or you are not, and if you are not you've been caught bullshitting yet again, and if YOU are, then while you run a nice little sideline, earning no doubt a nice little earner, people have lost their jobs, people who were made promises have been shafted, and here's the cinch, You have butchered people here and elsewhere (hey whats new) when in fact you've been lying through your teeth (hey whats new).

You're a class act Neko. You've probably taken salary/ gifts in kind when others have been canned. You taken machines while others have been told there are none, and you've shafted both the above and anyone else on any forum you can find, who are not quite as 'fortunate' as you. Your ****** because YET again, you've been caught out. Its the simplest lies that get you in the most trouble. You do have machines, you just clear out lied.
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Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 13-Jul-2004 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Neko):
Neko,I hope you're right. I hope I do have egg on my face and that they do succed.

The problem is why should anyone believe this as oppose the Set Top box deal, or as opposed to Bill Buck "owning' Amiga OS 4 and how he was going to give Hyperion a good deal to keep developing... etc etc..
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 46 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by No T-shirt or Coupons (220.196.165.142) on 13-Jul-2004 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (AdmV0rl0n):
Troll, your boring and you are so pathetic that you can not even slag of Genesi properly.

Get back to Amigawxxxx.net and join the rest of the abortion survivors.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 47 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Joe (194.212.229.228) on 13-Jul-2004 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Agima):
Well Hyperion are a bunch of lying fuckers (OS4 in 2001, nearly ready in 2002) Amiga Inc are a bunch of theives (now rebadged as KMOS), Genesi is a laughing stock with wanker speakers (Neko, Hooligan etc) but despite their bullshit they are not as bad as Hyperion/Amiga inc.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 48 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV0rl0n (212.219.87.3) on 13-Jul-2004 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (No T-shirt or Coupons):
If you had any idea at all you'd realise that I don't belong to either camp. I am not Red or Blue as they are called. What I do is rip the living **** out of rip off merchants and liars, and mainly due to past events and questionable acts quite rightly highlighted against Amiga Inc, another bunch of rip offs, The chickens have well and trully come home to roost in terms of Genesi.

Allowing Neko to speak on Forums is a disaster. Its Neko, Minister of information.
Where are the Blades ?
Where are the set top boxes?
Where are the Firewalls ?
Where is OpenBSD?
Where have all your partners gone?
Where is ShopIP?
Where have IBM gone? :)
Freescale, here today, gone tommorow.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 49 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 13-Jul-2004 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Joe):
>Genesi is a laughing stock with wanker speakers (Neko, Hooligan etc) but despite their bullshit they are not as bad as Hyperion/Amiga inc.

Yeah. Fuck you too.
Online Pegasos Sales are back!!! : Comment 50 of 157ANN.lu
Posted by Felix (80.56.129.91) on 13-Jul-2004 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (AdmV0rl0n):
Where is your shut-up button. ;-)
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