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Posted on 27-Aug-2004 06:14 GMT by Andreas Kleinert (Edited on 2004-08-27 18:39:38 GMT by Christophe Decanini)28 comments
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For anyone interested, there's now a Yahoo group for discussions and new beta versions, currently akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pswx-beta/
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 1 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Kleinert on 27-Aug-2004 04:43 GMT
Please also see the comments I made today at
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1093189337&category=news&start=1&26
in case you wonder what the idea is to port any existing datatypes anyway.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 2 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Aug-2004 08:04 GMT
I'm sure the community highly appreciates your support. Thanks.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 3 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by boingballs4all on 27-Aug-2004 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (priest):
MorphOS sucks!!!!! OS4 rulez!!!! Not choose the wrong one and
choose the real amiga or we will blame you!!!!!!!!111
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 4 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 27-Aug-2004 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (boingballs4all):
Put down the pipe and step away....go back under your bridge, you cannot take the daylight :D
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 5 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by bæsjen on 27-Aug-2004 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (boingballs4all):
OS4? Nah, it's too far behind MorphOS. But do keep ur hopes up ;)
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 6 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 27-Aug-2004 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (boingballs4all):
Once OS4 is ported to the Pegasos, let the games begin!
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 7 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 27-Aug-2004 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Darth_X):
Then MorphOS will die?
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 8 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 27-Aug-2004 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Now you're just trolling.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 9 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Aug-2004 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ronald St-Maurice):
No way. MorphOS is better in most aspects and that is hardly a subject to change, rather the opposite! Stay tuned! :-)

PS.
It's ironic, don't you think? The greatest threat against OS4 - except its own shortcomings - is the lack of functioning hardware that mortals can afford. The Pegasos would be the best commercially available option for OS4, and while it would take an afternoon or so to get OS4 running on the PegasosONE (and perhaps a few weeks after that to get it running on the Pegasos2, provided that it has a real HAL and doesn't have too many Articia "SW bugfixes" (or should we call them "drivers"?) weaved into the fabric all over), it could probably never survive in the shadow of MorphOS. Who would want it? Ironic, huh, OS4 can't live without it, and it can't live with it! Nevertheless I think the best thing for OS4 would be if they kept it away from the Pegasos. Keep it on the A1!
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 10 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by boingballs4all on 27-Aug-2004 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Yes, MorphOS will die because OS4 is a lot better.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 11 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 27-Aug-2004 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (boingballs4all):
Yes!!!11!!
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 12 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Aug-2004 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (boingballs4all):
Well as an OS 4.0 User you are a lot more advanced in typing exclemation marks as MOS Users, aren`t you? ;D
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 13 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 27-Aug-2004 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
MorphOS is better in most aspects to AmigaOS4 on what grounds?

The greatest threat against OS4 is the lack of functioning hardware that mortals can afford? Are you serious? You're meaning to tell me that the average mortal isn't able to put 75$ US aside each month to purchase an AmigaOne?
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 14 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by just myself on 28-Aug-2004 00:48 GMT
i agree with boingballs4all (comment2)
and, while i don't have tryed os4 until now, i know one thing for sure:
morphos really sucks, i've sold my peg...
and genesi, mos team sucks even more.
anyway, the real amiga successor is os4/a1, hyperion bros. just rulez!!
they have the name, they have the source, they have experience, they just are the best thing that happened to amiga theses last 8years.
while ex-phase5 just sux0rz cyberstorm and blizzardppc cards were just shit..
the only one ppc card, but it wasn't good enough.. only badly finished work.
and powerup was just wrong lol.
long live OS4!!!
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 15 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Kleinert on 28-Aug-2004 05:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Andreas Kleinert):
Ok, one word about 68k, OS4/PPC and MorphOS/PPC. Since you asked for it.

I am SICK about having to maitain half a dozen versions and builds for different CPUs and OS derivates (68000-060, PPC-PowerUP, PPC-WarpUP, PPC-MOS, PPC-...) - not counted the special code cases for gfx-lib 39/40 with out without SetPatch 43, with or without CyberGfx, with our without pic-dt 43 or 43, with or without 3rd party XYZ patches etc. - do you have the slightest idea how difficult proper software testing is under these circumstances?

Having one single code platform again makes things a hell lot of easier. And even in this case you may end up with: versions for 603/604, one version for G3, one for G4, one with AltiVec support, one with MOS 1.x workarounds, ...

So, once AOS4 is ready(*) and the hardware is a affordable, I would not mind to port things to AOS4 again. Starting from a very simple, single MOS codebase.

But the first step is, to get clean GCC- and PPC-proof code and remove all the OS 3.x 68k legacy.


(*) well, send me an AOne for free and I may play with it earlier
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 16 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Kleinert on 28-Aug-2004 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Andreas Kleinert):
Due to the many typos ;-) I simply repost the most important section again 8)

***

I am SICK about having to maitain half a dozen versions and builds for different CPUs and OS derivates (68000-060, PPC-PowerUP, PPC-WarpUP, PPC-MOS, PPC-...) - not counted the special code cases for gfx-lib 39/40 with or without SetPatch 43, with or without CyberGfx, with or without pic-dt 43 or 44+, with or without 3rd party XYZ patches etc. - Do you have the slightest idea how difficult proper software testing is under these circumstances?
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 17 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 28-Aug-2004 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Andreas Kleinert):
"So, once AOS4 is ready(*) and the hardware is a affordable, I would not mind to port things to AOS4 again. Starting from a very simple, single MOS codebase.

But the first step is, to get clean GCC- and PPC-proof code and remove all the OS 3.x 68k legacy."

I think that is a very sensible policy. IMO many programmers would do well to wait until the AOS4 software and the A1 hardware are more mature. Users should remember that almost all Amiga coders are working for free, and the cost of an A1 comes out of their pocket.

With any luck, things will be much further forward next summer.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 18 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2004 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Well, any mortal could also afford the ~$29.999 for a dual 2.5GHz G5 Mac, or a SGI render station, or a Boeing747. Just put aside $75 every month for enough time and you are set. ;-)

Face it, the A1 is big, old and crappy, but with an astronomical price.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 19 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 28-Aug-2004 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
"Face it, the A1 is big, old and crappy, but with an astronomical price."

I wouldn't describe it as "big" - I would prefer a board with more PCI slots. My idea of a big board is the A2000 motherboard.

The A1s sold so far are really development boards sold at what is a very low price for a development board. This would be a high price for a consumer product. The OS is also at the stage when an OS is released for developers, not for consumers (as Hyperion made clear by calling it a developer pre-release).

Unfortunately most Amiga developers do not have a proper development budget, and cannot expect sales to cover the cost of such a board.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 20 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 28-Aug-2004 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Well, any mortal could also afford the ~$29.999 for a dual 2.5GHz G5 Mac, or a SGI render station, or a Boeing747. Just put aside $75 every month for enough time and you are set. ;-)

There ya go. Just be positive and get what you want. :)


Face it, the A1 is big, old and crappy, but with an astronomical price.

Face it, the price isn't that high. And any person that wants an AmigaOne can afford one.
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 21 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 28-Aug-2004 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ronald St-Maurice):
That's true...anyone who could buy an A1200 ten years ago can buy an AmigaOne today. Unless you're a little kid or have no job, you can afford it. (Or would be able to, if there were any left to buy...another production run might be in order....)
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 22 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2004 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (just myself):
*lol* you are either a very good parody of a BAF or you might be a real OS 4.0 Supporter.. who can say that ;D Anyway it made me laugh ;D Gimme more
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 23 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by amigaclassicforever on 28-Aug-2004 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (ehaines):
A1 has AGA and PAULA?
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 24 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by amigaclassicforever on 28-Aug-2004 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
You sucks because you are another blue troll. All MorphOS users sucks and are stupid blue trolls.

MorphOS sucks!! OS4 rulez!!!

I have A1 and I was had Pegasos, and A1 is faster, more stable, better designed and... MORE AMIGA than the bplan/genesi crap shit!

Support only amiga products!
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 25 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2004 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (amigaclassicforever):
That was a good one! :-)
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 26 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 28-Aug-2004 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (ehaines):
A1200 costed about 500-600e 10 years ago (I recall it was 3000FIM here) and you got full system just without a monitor. Although you could get faster system now (i.e. A1-SE or Peg G3 mobo) you don't always get better games or apps...
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 27 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Aug-2004 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (amigaclassicforever):
Pleeeease stooopp *wiping laugh-tears out of my eye*
Honestly, you aren`t serious, are you?
akGIF and akJFIF for MorphOS Yahoo group : Comment 28 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 28-Aug-2004 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (itix):
By the time you added stuff like a hard drive, more memory, and a (relatively) cheap 030 accelerator to make the A1200 somewhat more suitable for "real" use, it was costing well over $800. I've been there, done that.
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