| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 12:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
..........
3) have just stated about the future of Genesi and why the compagny won't go further. Don't trust me? just try to find what have be done prior to Genesi.
.................
I trust yo!!
I too, know what bucky was doing ebfore genesi
he was backruptsing companies one after another
and stuffed all the cash in hes pockets.. now
he well do the same here, im sure of it.!!
How else do you think he hava afforded to
give away all those pegasuses ?? |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Aug-2004 12:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
You mean 'teh' |
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| Posted by gary_c on 30-Aug-2004 12:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
I just suggest you this thing:
Find a guy who knows financial markets. Ask him to track down Genesi.
Genesi seems to be well-accepted by very reputable companies, such as IBM and Freescale. I assume they are basically concerned with the current situation of the company, the Pegasos as a viable product and so on. If you have information to the contrary, please be specific, with authoritative sources.
He will answer you just after some minutes that this is a compagny that hides some others, that there are investors in this compagny, and the way the compagny has been built means this is something like a "trust", a pool of investors that are searching short term money and not building a long term compagny.
This sounds a lot more like another company in this market: deep in debt, loser of several law suits, IP sold, company ownership changed hands in murky circumstances. Are you also warning us of Amiga, Inc./Itec/KMOS? Your doom-scope seems to be receiving some reflected signals.
But now ok, i'm not divined, I can predict when it will close, but I just predict this is soon.
Sure, everyone is free to guess about the future. Have fun.
-- gary_c |
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| Posted by gary_c on 30-Aug-2004 13:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
He will answer you just after some minutes that this is a compagny that hides some others, that there are investors in this compagny, and the way the compagny has been built means this is something like a "trust", a pool of investors that are searching short term money and not building a long term compagny. Search how many compagnies bbrv had managed to keep alive more than some years.
One other thing: do you really think that a "pool of investors" would sink any amount of money in such a long shot as an alternative computer platform? Please, don't be ridiculous. This is probably one of the *least likely* markets to make any money in, long- or short-term. There are many, many other areas of industry or other investment that have much greater prospects for a good return on investment. This is not a "get rich quick" scheme by any stretch of the imagination. I suggest you think calmly about the ideas before you post something so silly again.
-- gary_c |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 14:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (gary_c):
Genesi seems to be well-accepted by very reputable companies, such as IBM and Freescale. I assume they are basically concerned with the current situation of the company, the Pegasos as a viable product and so on. If you have information to the contrary, please be specific, with authoritative sources.
Well as far as I remember, Amiga Inc too have had papers on AmigaDE in IBM pages, then you can heven find some words about amiga inc in Microsoft PocketPC MSDN. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 16:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
"> Pegasos2, an almost MiniITX format motherboard (it is only a few centimeters higher)
A Pegasos 2 (23x17) is not mini-itx (17x17) format, it's micto-atx."
I never said it was MiniITX, I said it was ALMOST MiniITX. The Pegasos has its screw holes in the correct MicroATX positions, but it is actually a lot smaller than the general MicroATX board. Like I said, it is MiniITX in one direction and only 6 cm larger in the other, but OTOH you may freely choose your AGP graphics card yourself and you have those PCI slots ... |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 16:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert):
""The OS (OS4) is far behind MorphOS, possibly a couple of years."
However, I doubt this part. "
That is only my opinion of course. I have them both here at my desktop, side by side. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 16:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 56 (Anonymous):
> I never said it was MiniITX, I said it was ALMOST MiniITX. The Pegasos has its screw holes in the correct MicroATX positions
Alomst every ATX board, micro-atx board, flex-atx board and mini-atx board has holes at those positions. That's why you can mount a mini-itx board in a ATX big tower. Those holes define the minimal rectangle for an *-atx board: 17x17 cm. Any smaller and you loose the holes.
> but it is actually a lot smaller than the general MicroATX board
I haven't seen enough micro-atx boards to make such a claim. I know though that many are smaller in one direction than the full micro-atx size (23*23). |
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| Posted by serge on 30-Aug-2004 20:01 GMT | just want tell I like this news cause I bought a PEG II board last week on genesi website
I love Pegasos II
;-)
Serge |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 20:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 59 (serge):
Congratulations! :-) |
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| Posted by Stevo on 30-Aug-2004 20:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
Hey serge, I'm glad everything worked out! I bought a second hand peg1 (after 14 years of classic amigas -> 500, 1200, cdtv and 4000) and since that time I'm happy too. And you know what: I'll probably be happier with a PegII :) Almost done saving :) |
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| Posted by Julien on 30-Aug-2004 21:35 GMT | I'm still waiting for my PegII mobo.. but now I've hopes it'll will come on my desktop soon :D
Hmm.. this Peg-AOne war reminds me the Amiga-Atari war.. but with AOne Palying the Atari ST ;) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 21:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 62 (Julien):
"Hmm.. this Peg-AOne war reminds me the Amiga-Atari war.. but with AOne Palying the Atari ST ;)"
Idiot.
this Peg-AOne war reminds me the Amiga-Atari war.. but with Peg Palying the Atari
Prove me wrong.
Show me any commercial site selling the peg as an amiga.
If you can do that task i will show you how many i can find with selling the Aone as an amiga. |
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| Posted by Julien on 30-Aug-2004 22:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
Should I explain you what I wrote (in what I thought was basic, easily understandable english...) ? Ok.. let's go, then.
I didn't compared the Pegasos with Amiga because of the brand but because of the spirit : nice design, nice os, creativity, "sex appeal" ;) etc...
And I compared the AOne with the Atari because of the playing second role way of beeing released; because of this feeling that they'll release something yet dead before it even can be born...
And who owns the legitimacy of beeing seen as THE new Amiga? Sure Eyetech owns the brand.. but as far as I know, all the former engineers from Commodore and Phase5 are working for genesi... ;)
Anyway, there's something sad, in this story. OS4's developpers team is full of very talented and gifted people that played an important role in Amiga history... Too bad they are not part of MorphOS Team. Amiga's community can't afford beeing split between two rival groups. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 22:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Julien):
Im not intrested in your religions or spirits, sexual intrests with computers.
Amiga is not a religion a spirits or a sexual device. nore was it when the amiga V atari was going on.
You need help. |
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| Posted by gary_c on 30-Aug-2004 22:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
Well as far as I remember, Amiga Inc too have had papers on AmigaDE in IBM pages, then you can heven find some words about amiga inc in Microsoft PocketPC MSDN.
What are you saying, then? That Amiga Inc is equally suspect? Anyway, I don't recall IBM or Microsoft *buying* significant numbers of an Amiga product at the level of Freescale's Pegasos purchases, or Amiga Inc co-sponsoring any of those companies' initiatives on the level of Genesi's involvement with them, such as Freescale's forums. We were talking about corporate acceptance of Genesi, remember, and I believe my point still stands.
I understand that some individuals *don't like* Genesi or BBRV, apparently because of how they've stirred up the beloved Amiga platform, but if you want to build a case proving their corruption or incompetence or whatever, you have to show some factual information, not just general statements spun out of nothing but your own opinion.
-- gary_c |
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| Posted by Julien on 30-Aug-2004 23:00 GMT | "Abusive language, excessive swear words, personal insults and trolling/flamebait are not allowed."
My sympathic intellectual opponent won't get any reply to its insults...
But I suggest him to go back to his PC, so much he seems to show the special empathy Amiga users have for their beloved machine... And that made them keep the faith and work for making it possible again. Those who haven't are now the happy owners of wintel boxes, impatiently waiting for their Palladium pal to arrive...
That will be all from me in this topic. Keep barking, Anonymous ;) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Aug-2004 23:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Julien):
""Abusive language, excessive swear words, personal insults and trolling/flamebait are not allowed."
I agree i did not swear, insult or troll or flambait.
But some may take you saying amiga is like an atari as flamebait.
But at one time BillBuck was going to use the atari name, so i think the peg would be closer to the atari.
After all amiga is amiga. |
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| Posted by hammer on 31-Aug-2004 00:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Julien):
Palladium APIs has been replaced with NGSCBW (NeXt-Generation Secure Computing Base for Windows. Palladium is a joint Microsoft/Intel initiative which has been partly displaced by AMD’s NX initiative. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 31-Aug-2004 03:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (Amon_Re):
What is tourne-dos? |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 31-Aug-2004 03:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (Wayne Hunt):
You are only an ex-Genesi worker, so you do revenge all time over Genesi products... Stop saying stupid things, because you will not seem as another stupid troll and people will respect to you more... |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 31-Aug-2004 04:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
A type of Steak :P |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 31-Aug-2004 04:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
Wayne said one of the most sensible things sofar in this thread...
This thread is quite funny tho, filled with idiotic posts like peg vs a1 being amiga vs atari etc etc etc...
You lot need to grow up. |
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| Posted by priest on 31-Aug-2004 07:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Julien):
>I didn't compared the Pegasos with Amiga because of the brand but because of the spirit : nice design, nice os, creativity, "sex appeal" ;) etc...
Where the other one is the genuine AMIGA OS, while the other one is PRETENDING to be (untill it morphs to something else).
>And I compared the AOne with the Atari because of the playing second role way of beeing released; because of this feeling that they'll release something yet dead before it even can be born...
Those two HW are not THAT different.
>And who owns the legitimacy of beeing seen as THE new Amiga? Sure Eyetech owns the brand.. but as far as I know, all the former engineers from Commodore and Phase5 are working for genesi... ;)
LOL! You have been miss informed badly about commodore people. (IIRC, none of them work for genesi)
IIRC, David Haynie (one example) is assisting/commenting/something Hyperion on the AOS4 development. ;-)
And what importance does phase5 (just some third party developers) here? What about others, like Hyperion?
>Anyway, there's something sad, in this story. OS4's developpers team is full of very talented and gifted people that played an important role in Amiga history... Too bad they are not part of MorphOS Team.
MorphOS Team is full of talented people that played important role in Amiga history ... too bad they do not want to be part of Amiga future.
>Amiga's community can't afford beeing split between two rival groups.
These two rival groups are not that bad.
(even though also I often prefer that we all would consentrate on the real thing instead of substitute, AOS and MOS merging to a HW independant OS in 2001 would have been "nice")
People can choose:
- AOS or something else
- phase5 policy or Amiga policy (to me the Amiga policy seems more open towards other HW developers)
- fight or co-operate or live happily separated |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 31-Aug-2004 07:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (Wayne Hunt):
While the Pegasos certainly is far better priced than the A1, I agree that the Pegasos2 is a bit pricy compared to similar specced x86 boxes. I have never claimed different. While PPC may offer some advantages over x86, and while the Pegasos is a great piece of hardware, it is too pricy for what it offers. That is a problem. However, price is definitely connected to the volume of production here. Many believes that PPC hardware par se must be more expensive than x86, since APPLE hardware are more expensive. However, many factors affects Apples pricing policy, and I do not think that the cost of raw materials (CPU's and such) is the biggest explanation to the price of a Mac...
... but *it is* the biggest explanation to the price of a Pegasos! It's all about volume, and I think the Avalanche/Genesi project (besides their cooperation with Motorola/Freescale) is very interesting in this aspect. I think they are doing the right thing. Offering companies a total service solution, where the focus is not on the hardware itself (or the price of it) but on the deal as a whole (and the value of it), may very well be a great way of increasing volume, so that the price may be lowered, which in turn will make the Pegasos pop up on various radar screens in a much broader scale than now. It's about achieving a critical mass, and when that is done, we may all sit back and enjoy the explosion. ;-)
And I really believe we will see a price drop of the Pegasos in a not too distant future. AFAIK, in various comments from BBRV it shows that being able to lower the price of the Pegasos is one of their main goals at the moment, and every now and then they succeed in what they are doing! ;-) |
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| Posted by priest on 31-Aug-2004 07:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (Wayne Hunt):
I could not agree more.
(except that I prefer my $20k Toyota, any buyers for my $500 VW Beetle "project", the original, the classic ? 8D ) |
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| Posted by drHirudo on 31-Aug-2004 08:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Julien):
And who owns the legitimacy of beeing seen as THE new Amiga? Sure Eyetech owns the brand.. but as far as I know, all the former engineers from Commodore and Phase5 are working for genesi... ;)
Eyetech is not only the brand. AFAIK some CommodoreUK exworkers are in Eyetech now, also CommodoreUK was the last one to close doors after the C= demise. In fact if the UK offices were left alone, probably they would exist until now. And since when Dave Haney works for Genesi? |
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| Posted by Jupp3 on 31-Aug-2004 08:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (priest):
>Where the other one is the genuine AMIGA OS, while the other one is PRETENDING to be (untill it morphs to something else).
Well, when MorphOS project was started, there were no signs of OFFICIAL ppc AmigaOS (And not long after that, any possible plans for that were officially CANCELED)
In my opinion, that justified the "unofficial" version.
But the revival of "Official AmigaOS" (as we knew it, NOT AmigaDE) years later...
In my opinion that doesn't justify people to demand canceling the "unofficial" (MorphOS) project... |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 31-Aug-2004 10:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (priest):
> Where the other one is the genuine AMIGA OS, while the other one is
> PRETENDING to be
Personally, I don't consider MorphOS to be Amiga, it's something else, something better. The fact that it is more Amiga compatible than OS4 (it happily runs a great deal of Amiga software that simply won't even start on OS4, including some Hyperion games) could certainly be considered hillarious, but it doesn't change the fact that MorphOS is MorphOS and nothing else (however the question arises: "Then what is OS4", but let's not go there ;-) ). Some people feel that the Amiga compatibility makes it "Amiga" to them, but I would argue that the Amiga API was only a start, something to build upon, and MorphOS is about *going beyond* Amiga (with the Amiga API as a foundation, the Amiga philosophy as guidelines, and the Amiga applications to get a flying start), and *it's not* about doing it all over again. MorphOS is doing just fine on it's own merits, and it's only starting yet. MorphOS brings all good things from the (now dead) Amiga, it merges that with new things and modern ideas, and the result will be something completely new and very exciting, and *it will not* be "Amiga", it will be *MorphOS*!
:-)
The Amiga is dead, and now we are taking all good things with us to this new platform while leaving the bad things behind!
> (untill it morphs to something else).
Oh, but the Amiga^H^H^H^H^H (excuse me ;-) ) *MorphOS* API will of course always be there, in an improved form! :-) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 31-Aug-2004 13:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (priest):
> to me the Amiga policy seems more open towards other HW developers
Can I have something of the stuff you are smoking? |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 31-Aug-2004 16:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Anonymous):
Can you show me where i can get MOS for other PPC hardware then the hardware created by bplan & phase5? You can't?
Can you show me where i can get AOS4 for other PPC hardware then the hardware produced by/for Eyetech and Phase5? You can't?
I'd say they're both rather limited in the hardware support then. |
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| Posted by MarkTime on 31-Aug-2004 18:27 GMT | does in stock mean they actually have it ready to ship the same day you order it, or does in stock mean, after they accept your payment they intend to build it someday?
I mean in the amiga community 'in stock' is not a very precise term. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 31-Aug-2004 18:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 82 (MarkTime):
"does in stock mean they actually have it ready to ship the same day you order it"
It most certainly mean that they have boards in stock and are ready to ship them. Most dealers should by now have Pegasos boards from the latest production run in stock (I know for certain that this is the case for at least some european dealers), ready to ship, if they are not sold out allready. Try sending the dealer a mail and ask if you are interested!
"or does in stock mean, after they accept your payment they intend to build it someday?"
That would be a strange definition of "in stock", don't you think?
It is usually well known when there are public production runs of the Pegasos motherboard, and boards are available from dealers shortly after. I don't think it's common practice among the Pegasos dealers to take your money and "intend to build it someday". My dealer has never done that. In fact, I am even paying by invoice! :-) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 31-Aug-2004 21:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Amon_Re):
> I'd say they're both rather limited in the hardware support then.
Yes, and no claim to the contary was made :) The move to PPC, in my humble opinion, is motivated by making money and not by technicalities like "PPC is the better architecture". "They" want to cut users off from cheap standard hardware and sell their own hardware. Hardware is their primary source of income. Not opening the own OS to other hardware is in line with this strategy. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 31-Aug-2004 21:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Amon_Re):
> I'd say they're both rather limited in the hardware support then.
Yes, and no claim to the contary was made :) The move to PPC, in my humble opinion, is motivated by making money and not by technicalities like "PPC is the better architecture". "They" want to cut users off from cheap standard hardware and sell their own hardware. Hardware is their primary source of income. Not opening the own OS to other hardware is in line with this strategy. |
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| Posted by gary_c on 31-Aug-2004 23:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (priest):
>Where the other one is the genuine AMIGA OS, while the other one is PRETENDING to be (untill it morphs to something else).
I think being the "official" AmigaOS is a two-edged sword. It seems MorphOS is more free to move in new directions. Especially in view of the reaction we sometimes see among AmigaOS fans about alternative ways, etc., I agree with takemehomegrandma that MorphOS presents a nice opportunity to combine the best of the classic Amiga platform with new energy and ideas offered by a fresh start (I think this is why MOS 1.5 is taking so long ;-) ). The fact that AmigaOS4 has the brand name may be worth something; it certainly does to fans such as yourself. But beyond that we just have to compare the products on the basis of features, performance, developer support, and so on, like any two computer operating systems.
IIRC, David Haynie (one example) is assisting/commenting/something Hyperion on the AOS4 development. ;-)
LOL. The only commenting I've seen by Dave Haynie on the AmigaOne/AOS4 was that he was mildly interested in having a look at it someday. AFAIK he's not involved in development in any way (nor in the Pegasos, as it doesn't even have the brand name, which is what made the AmigaOne at least a little relevant to Dave, as he said in the amiga.org interview a while back).
People can choose:
- AOS or something else
- phase5 policy [Do you mean Genesi/bPlan policy?] or Amiga policy (to me the Amiga policy seems more open towards other HW developers)
- fight or co-operate or live happily separated
Healthy competition is a positive thing; hate campaigns and smear tactics only lower the image of both sides. Priest, consider the effect of still saying MorphOS "pretends to be AmigaOS" when for months or years people have been describing it as "Amiga-like" but of course not Amiga itself. Not exactly constructive.
-- gary_c |
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| Posted by i'm not here on 01-Sep-2004 01:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Anonymous):
nah, you have already enough to smoke ,considering you can use morphos.. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 01-Sep-2004 08:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (i'm not here):
> you have already enough to smoke ,considering you can use morphos..
I want total loss of reality, like those happy campers on amigaworld ;) Now don't be nasty and gimme something of the same weed. Or is it the foams from the A1 package?! |
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| Posted by Tronman on 01-Sep-2004 13:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (i'm not here):
Join the club now and send us your fifty bucks!
https://www.hidingfromthelawsuits.com
There's a tee shirt in it for ya, it was just printed last Thursday!!! |
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Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Pirate |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 02-Sep-2004 10:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (i'm not here):
How does a Peg2 get stuck? |
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| Posted by bbrockie on 03-Sep-2004 14:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (drHirudo):
It's funny what time can do to a thread ;) |
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