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| Posted on 10-Sep-2004 12:47 GMT by Uros Bogataj (Edited on 2004-09-10 14:49:24 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä) | 59 comments
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It seems that at Eyetech have big problems with them selfs. I sent them quite some e-mails and didn't get any reply. I also called them several times and all i'm getting is the voice which say that message box is full and can't take my message.
Anyone knows what is happening or how to get in contact with them?
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 1 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by darklite on 10-Sep-2004 10:52 GMT | | Perhaps they're just "changing offices". |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 2 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 10-Sep-2004 11:01 GMT | 1% of the AOne owners just discovered their computer does not work,
and that EyeTech lied to them. As a result, they asked for refunding
or a working solution.
Then, the EyeTech team, scared, moved to another non-european country
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 3 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 10-Sep-2004 11:02 GMT | | Perhaps they are on holiday. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 4 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bennymee on 10-Sep-2004 11:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
They are busy doing the Micro A1 thing :) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 5 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by priest on 10-Sep-2004 11:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (Don Cox):
They came from holiday two weeks ago.
Perhaps Alan is in Taiwan or in some IBM conference presenting AOS4 on A1. ;) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 6 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 10-Sep-2004 11:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
"1% of the AOne owners just discovered their computer does not work,
and that EyeTech lied to them. As a result, they asked for refunding
or a working solution.
Then, the EyeTech team, scared, moved to another non-european country"
Or perhaps they did as another familiar company and sold Eyetech one year ago to Itec LLC, who later passed it on to KMOS Inc, who now owns the "new" Eyetech. "Got a problem with yer A1's, well that's not our problem, THAT Eyetech stopped to exist a year ago"!
;-) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 7 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by derf on 10-Sep-2004 12:42 GMT | and no one wants to ask what he was emailing and calling about?
why do that when you can make jokes eh ?
i suppose this is where everyone phones up and orders pizza for eyetech. hope alan likes mushrooms... |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 8 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 10-Sep-2004 12:46 GMT | Not trying to be really boring and a bad sport here, but didn't Eyetech stop doing the consumer thing and left that to another UK dealer?
As far as I gathered they simply didn't have time to take care of selling/end user support any more - which fits quite well with what we're seeing here. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 9 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lasse F. Pedersen on 10-Sep-2004 14:04 GMT | I thought that the additional amount of money (amigaone price minus reference board price) charged with each AmigaOne purchase was meant to cover both profits AND support.
If that was/is the case I don't see how Eyetech can allow themselves to not support their customers.
But then again, maybe this was just a slip on Eyetech's side and nothing more. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 10 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 10-Sep-2004 14:21 GMT | Alright, so how long have you been trying? Since thursday afternoon,
for a week, for a month..?
I guess an "outage" of a week or so could have quite natural
explanations. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 11 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 10-Sep-2004 14:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (Johan Rönnblom):
>I guess an "outage" of a week or so could have quite natural
explanations.
Outage of a week for a small company which relies very much in emails and phone. Hardly normal. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 12 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JKD on 10-Sep-2004 16:32 GMT | It's prime holiday season for late (cheap) getaways from the UK???
Dunno...keep trying :D |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 13 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ryu on 10-Sep-2004 17:40 GMT | | last time i heard from alan (last week) he was heading back out to china so.... |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 14 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 10-Sep-2004 21:20 GMT | Alan has been in China doing succesful business, yes.
Why did you want to talk to them btw.? If you want to buy a system or tell them how happy you are with your AmigaOne/mA1 you should talk to the reseller that sold you the system.
BTW. Last time I tried to call IBM because MS Windows crashed on my computer I didn't get the CEO ;( |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 15 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JKD on 10-Sep-2004 22:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Joke is hardly relevant...since IBM doesn't rely on it's CEO to be head of HR, Finance and Customer Support all in one person ;-)
It's good for growing the business that Alan is in China (or wherever) but not so good for customer relations... |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 16 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JoannaK on 11-Sep-2004 02:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Hmm.. "Successfull"... I have heard that word connected to AlanR, Eyetech and AmigaOne...
Ah yes.. I remember..
It was about a year ago when one Amiga magazine (dead tree variant) published multi-page - fable about these hugely sucessfull sales events in China.
I wonder if those magazin makers ever bothered to check out if AlanR/Eyetech actually *sold* anything during that journey (or later), or was it just a PR Drumbanging.
Pitty though... That magazine looked quite nice and it had real good articles too, like tutorials to various Amiga Paint programs. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 17 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Sep-2004 07:28 GMT | To the best of my knowledge, Eyetech still have responsibilities
towards customers which they have sold systems to. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 18 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Uros Bogataj on 12-Sep-2004 15:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (Johan Rönnblom):
I'm trying to contact them for 3 month now. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 19 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Uros Bogataj on 12-Sep-2004 15:35 GMT | | I'm contacting them because I would like to sell Amiga computer in Slovenia and I also need some Amiga speciments for our Amiga Mini Show 2004 in october which would be in Ljubljana, Slovenia. If I don't get some Amigas it would be stupid to name the event Amiga Mini Show, wouldn't it. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 12-Sep-2004 17:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (Uros Bogataj):
Oh, I see, you're talking about the 'new Amigas.' Tee hee.
OK, you wanna be a Teron reseller too? Simple. Do what Eyetech does and order a bunch directly from a producer.
Oh, sorry, I almost forgot... Things cannot be simple. We AmigaOS users wouldn't be allowed to buy our Terons from you, to use with AmigaOS. Because we wouldn't be 'protected' if we bought hardware from you, and our 'protection' is so important that the resulting death of AmigaOS can and must be ignored. Silly me.
Honestly, a True Amiga middleman company like Eyetech is at least possible to get hold of by e-mail (as well as it can guarantee deliveries, not lie and backpedal about bugs, meet deadlines, make free exchanges of faulty hardware, have a basic clue about modern hardware, give support by other means than on a corporate fan website where your account is deleted when you ask a proper question, etc ad nauseam), so they deserve that monopoly!
Have you tried contacting KMOS, or AInc (the 'new' subsidiary to KMOS, that is) about that 'Hardware Licence'?
I've heard the figure $20 a pop being mentioned.
Buy a bunch of Teron Minis at $200 a piece. Buy a Hardware Licence, buy AmigaOS enduser licences at $100 a piece (to endusers), and sell the mobo + OS for $450. $450 - 200 - 100 - 20 = $130 down your pocket, or $100 after other expenses. Eyetech wants $700 + taxes for the same package, and they have pulled off scamming some 800-900 people so far. Note that you'll have to slap another label than 'AmigaOne' on your Terons, cause that name is Eyetech's property. Good luck! |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 22 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by James Carroll on 12-Sep-2004 22:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
thats the worst troll I've seen in ages. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 23 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by gary_c on 12-Sep-2004 22:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
OK, you wanna be a Teron reseller too? Simple. Do what Eyetech does and order a bunch directly from a producer.
Isn't Eyetech the European distributor for both AmigaOnes and Teron boards? So they are the company that a reseller in Europe needs to contact.
-- gary_c |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 24 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 12-Sep-2004 23:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
"I've heard the figure $20 a pop being mentioned."
I think it's more like $100/board for the "name". Quality doesn't come cheap.
I don't know what's happened to Eyetech, but just because Alan is in China there should still be someone there to respond (Will?). I haven't bought anything from Eyetech for a while but when I did they were always very good customer-service wise. They've even given me support on items I didn't even buy from them. It's a shame if they've deteriorated since. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 25 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 13-Sep-2004 02:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Lando):
>I haven't bought anything from Eyetech for a while but when I did they were
>always very good customer-service wise. They've even given me support on items
>I didn't even buy from them. It's a shame if they've deteriorated since.
Perhaps he got their contact numbers from www.eyetech.com and he's busy trying to get information from a company that that sells saline solutions and eye-drops!
<message on answering machine>: "I would be pleased if you'd call me. I wish to get a sample Amiga from your so I can start a company and resell for lots of money."
Worker: "Hey Fred, some European guy left a message on the phone. He wants us to find him one girlfriend so he can start a brothel and resell her for money!"
Fred: "Don't call him back, he's been calling us for 3 months now. He's obviously nuts. If we ignore him then he'll go away." |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 26 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 13-Sep-2004 02:11 GMT | | Wheneve you 'make contact' with Eyetech, ask when the CD32's are going to be blown out! :-D |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 27 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Sep-2004 02:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (James Carroll):
>thats the worst troll I've seen in ages.
Actually it was one of the most entertaining trolls for a long time =) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 28 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 13-Sep-2004 02:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 27 (hooligan/dcs):
At least nobody "bit"..... yet. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 29 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JoannaK on 13-Sep-2004 07:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 28 (Darrin):
Well. it was one of most sensible ones in this.. I see no technical problem in that. Ok, it would still be **** to market cause it's so old/underpowered stuff, and making them in decent batch would cost some $$$. But as an Idea.. it's solid. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 30 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 13-Sep-2004 08:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (JoannaK):
Got any spare cash lying around?
Anyway, $130 (which is way to high when "other" expenses are taken into account) profit from each board to supply it with tech support for a year... on the scale we're looking at, you couldn't aford to do that.
Here's a reality check for those who THINK they know how to run a business. Let's assume that unrealistic $130 figure is right and let's assume we can, in our first year of business, sell these to a target audience of 500 users.
130 x 500 = $65,000. Oh!!! Loads of money!!!
Now let's look at business expenses...
Rent on a small, cheap, store in a bad area of town: 12 x $1000 = $12000.
Utilities (electric, water, waste): 12 x 400 = $4800
Telephones (2 lines): 12 x 200 = $2400
Cheapo security system: 50 x 12 = $600
Credit card company @ 2%: $1300
Interest on your stock loan @ 6%: $3900
That brings us down to $40,000.
Now remember that tech support? Better make sure there's someone else arund to provide cover for the times when you can't. Hmmmm... let's get a ex-student from the local college who dropped out of computer classes because he couldn't get up in the morning for $12/hour... 8 hours a day x $12 x 6 days a week = $29,952.
$40,000-$29,952 = $10,048 or $837 a month.
I don't know about you, but I'm not getting out of bed for $200 a week!!!
And let's not forget about bueiness licensing, advertising, office supplies, RETURNS, unsold stock and a million and one other things... Yep, feel free to start your own business selling $450 mobos and pray thay you do sell all of them.
Oh wait, you plan to sell them out of your bedroom and provide all of the support yourself? Hmmm... try convincing a customer to hand over $450 to you when they know THOSE facts. The bank manager wont be too impress either when you ask for the loan... |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 31 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 13-Sep-2004 09:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (JoannaK):
And I really need to start proof reading my little rants before I hit the "add comment" button ;-) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 32 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JoannaK on 13-Sep-2004 10:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
Well.. *I* am not that stupid. I would not try to sell desktop systems for 500/year market. :-) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 33 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 13-Sep-2004 12:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 32 (JoannaK):
>Well.. *I* am not that stupid. I would not try to sell desktop systems for 500/year market. :-)
I never thought you were. :-)
My remarks we aimed at the small group of people that seem to think you can earn an easy living selling computer parts at cut prices to a small market.
I own my own (small) computer bisiness and half of an import business and their combined gross is nowhere near my main consulting job after I've subtracted all of my expenses. Mind you, I've been so busy in my main job that I really don't have the time to expand them. Hell, selling a licensed OS4 on stock PPC mobos was that easy, then I'd be doing it :-) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 34 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 13-Sep-2004 14:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (Darrin):
> Now let's look at business expenses...
> [expenses for running a business]
What was the point of that? Starting and running a business is expensive? Yes, of course.
Those numbers are however mostly irrelevant to an existing business that simply decides to add Yet Another Product to its inventory (á la Eyetech). Nobody will start or run a business (with the kind of expenses you listed) with the sole purpose of selling only one outdated and overpriced product to an already saturated market. Not a <100k units product at least, not even with a net per unit surplus of $100.
If Mr Bogataj is planning on starting a business only to sell one product, but with even less per unit surplus when buying boards from a middleman such as Eyetech, then it makes even less sense. See JoannaK's post #32.
The idea of a separate 'Amiga market', with the products that are currently available/licensed and with what can realistically be expected to appear, is insane. It sucks that they made AmigaOS exclusively dependent on this idea, only because the old (and 'new'?) ainc a) needed some quick cash and/or b) really hadn't got the slightest clue and genuinely believed more licensees could/would follow.
Three cheers for the ever present f*ckwits that seem destined to always be screwing up anything Amiga - yesterday, today and tomorrow! Yay Mr Ali! Yay Mssrs McEwen/Moss! Yay Mr Redhouse! Yay Mr Hermans! Yay Mr Buck!
> Now remember that tech support?
What tech support? The one allegedly guaranteed to the customers by that meaningless licence and certification, or the xeroxed paper with 'ide=nodma', or the free (as in beer, certainly not as in speech) abuse over at that 'community portal' joke, or the e-mails that go unanswered for three months?
Ooooh, expensive, that!
> unsold stock
So far it seems like the 'wait to collect 25 orders, order 25 boards from the fab' type of 'stock'. That could work for others as well.
> My remarks we aimed at the small group of people that seem to think you can
> earn an easy living selling computer parts at cut prices to a small market.
That's a small group of 0 people, AFAICS here. Building strawmen, are we?
Then again, some people seem to think they can make an easy living (or at least pay the office rent) on other people selling outdated computer parts at severely inflated prices to a miniscule pseudo-market, and those people run/ran companies. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 35 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 13-Sep-2004 14:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (gary_c):
> Isn't Eyetech the European distributor for both AmigaOnes and Teron boards?
Exclusive European distributor? For any current and future Terons? I'd hope not. If so, things are worse than I for one could imagine.
AmigaoS has already been terminally screwed over, so this couldn't kill AOS anymore than it already is killed, but why would Mai wanna do something as counterproductive as this for their products? |
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| Posted by JoannaK on 13-Sep-2004 15:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Posted by Anonymous
>In Reply to Comment 23 (gary_c):
>> Isn't Eyetech the European distributor for both AmigaOnes and Teron boards?
>Exclusive European distributor? For any current and future Terons? I'd hope
> not.If so, things are worse than I for one could imagine.
IIRC, this is the case.. If you'd want to purchase Teron (i wonder why?) in Europe, it has to go through Eyetech.
> AmigaoS has already been terminally screwed over, so this couldn't kill AOS
> anymore than it already is killed, but why would Mai wanna do something as
> counterproductive as this for their products?
I would quess that Mai made a misjudgement on beliving these 'great Amiga markets'.. At the same time their own products have not been hot sellers they expected. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 37 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 13-Sep-2004 16:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (Darrin):
> Hell, selling a licensed OS4 on stock PPC mobos was that easy, then I'd be doing it :-)
You realise that neither kmos, or amigainc, or hyperion or eyetech make it 'easy'...
(I don't think even they realise what kind of barrier they present!) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 38 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 13-Sep-2004 18:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
>What was the point of that? Starting and running a business is expensive? Yes,
> of course.
The point is that unless you state the bleeding obvious then people don't take all of the facts into account. The subject matter here was about obtaining a license to port OS4 to some PPC boards of your choice. That's a BIG investment and not something you're going to do out of your garage.
>Those numbers are however mostly irrelevant to an existing business that
>simply decides to add Yet Another Product to its inventory (á la Eyetech).
True. But then again, Eyetechhave done a lot more than just pull a board off the shelf and license it. They also incurred costs on marketing, advertising and probably the failed A1200/A4000 add-on AmigaOne board. We know Alan has been flying back and forth China trying to drum up a market for these things so calculate in the costs of a few business class seats. Last time I flew to Hong Kong business class the ticket was over $6000. Sell 1000 boards and that's an added $6 per board just for 1 flight...
>Nobody will start or run a business (with the kind of expenses you listed)
>with the sole purpose of selling only one outdated and overpriced product to
>an already saturated market. Not a <100k units product at least, not even with
>a net per unit surplus of $100.
Right. And that's the point I was trying to make. Also, even an established business is not going to waste precious time and money licensing and supporting a board either, not when there are alread 2 rivals to their sales (Eyetech and Gensesi).
>The idea of a separate 'Amiga market', with the products that are currently
>available/licensed and with what can realistically be expected to appear, is
>insane. It sucks that they made AmigaOS exclusively dependent on this idea,
>only because the old (and 'new'?) ainc a) needed some quick cash and/or b)
>really hadn't got the slightest clue and genuinely believed more licensees
>could/would follow.
Who knows what they were thinking. Unfortunately, this is the situation and we just have to ake the best of it. There's an old AMerican proverb that goes "Shit or get off the pot". I think that's a fair comment on this situation.
>Three cheers for the ever present f*ckwits that seem destined to always be
>screwing up anything Amiga - yesterday, today and tomorrow! Yay Mr Ali! Yay
>Mssrs McEwen/Moss! Yay Mr Redhouse! Yay Mr Hermans! Yay Mr Buck!
The past is the past. We've been dealt a hand and now we have to play it. Stop wasting energy wondering about the "what if's" and worry more about the "how the hell can we make this work".
>What tech support?
The tech support that says that when you sell YOUR boards you have to be able to support YOUR customers with technical assistance. Otherwise, every time they have a problem you'll just have the board returned for a refund.
>So far it seems like the 'wait to collect 25 orders, order 25 boards from the
>fab' type of 'stock'. That could work for others as well.
That works for being a reseller of existing AmigaOne and Pegasos boards. I'm talking about when you get a license and then have to pay to have OS4 ported to your particular board. Planning on buying 25 boards, selling them and then buying 25 more isn't going to work. You may license OS4 for a smallish fee, but there'll bea big fee involved in getting Hyperion to port the OS. If you cant divide that cost by at least a 1000 then don't bother.
>That's a small group of 0 people, AFAICS here. Building strawmen, are we?
No, I'm answering the same question that keeps getting raised on different websites.
>Then again, some people seem to think they can make an easy living (or at
>least pay the office rent) on other people selling outdated computer parts at
>severely inflated prices to a miniscule pseudo-market, and those people
>run/ran companies.
I'll think you'll find they do more than that to make ends meet, but why admit t when it ruins your argument. Hell, I could easily resell AmigaOne or Pegasos mobos in small quantities and I could even undercut every other dealer out there by selling them at cost because I don't need to make a profit on them. But why should I undermine the other companies that do need to make a profit and who am I to tell them how much profit they are allowed to make? Supply and demand... if the board is too expensive then there will be no demand and no suppliers. If you don't want to pay the asking price the go and buy a PC. If you want an AmigaOne then cough up the dough. Endlessly complaining about the price isn't going to help I'm afraid. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 39 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 13-Sep-2004 18:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (Darth_X):
>You realise that neither kmos, or amigainc, or hyperion or eyetech make it 'easy'...
I have no idea as I've never asked them.
I do know that it's a waste of time asking Hyperion to port an unfinsihed OS to hyperthetical hardware. Let OS4 get finished and release and then people can start thinking about having it ported to other hardware. Until then, discussions on this subject are pointless. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 40 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by John Block on 13-Sep-2004 19:48 GMT | >really hadn't got the slightest clue and genuinely believed more licensees
>could/would follow.
If the Zico spec machines had rolled out quickly possibly.
I think that the mass market Amiga magazines were still selling then, demonstrating interest. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 41 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by John Block on 13-Sep-2004 20:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 40 (John Block):
Checked my facts!
zico specs October 21st, 2000
CU Amiga closed oct 98
amiga format may 2000
Learned something interesting on http://amiga.emugaming.com/aformat.html
amiga format circulation was the biggest it had ever been when the magazine was shut.
So lack of advertising? |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 42 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JKD on 13-Sep-2004 20:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (John Block):
eh? Did I miss something?:
"As can be seen below, circulation peaked during the January - June 1992 period and was in an almost constant decline until the magazines' closure." |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 43 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 13-Sep-2004 23:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 39 (Darrin):
> I have no idea as I've never asked them.
What do you mean 'Ask them' ? Haven't you been following what has been going on in this market the past few years?
> I do know that it's a waste of time asking Hyperion to port an unfinsihed OS to hyperthetical hardware.
What is 'hyperthetical' hardware? Are you refering to other PowerPC platforms such as xbox2, PS3, and other gaming consoles?
> Let OS4 get finished and release and then people can start thinking about having it ported to other hardware. Until then, discussions on this subject are pointless.
Not pointless, You realise that developers have to plan years in advance. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 44 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 14-Sep-2004 00:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 38 (Darrin):
> I could easily resell AmigaOne or Pegasos mobos in small quantities and I could even undercut every other dealer out there by selling them at cost because I don't need to make a profit on them. But why should I undermine the other companies that do need to make a profit and who am I to tell them how much profit they are allowed to make?
Would you be selling the boards to developers or just users? Which is more important at this point? ;)
Companies in this market can't make a profit in this market because there isn't enough market to make a profit. If that makes sense ;) |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 45 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 14-Sep-2004 00:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
Did Eyetech become "Amigainc UK"? |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 46 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 14-Sep-2004 00:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (JKD):
I would love to see a Pegasos magazine that covers: MorphOS, Linux, BeOS, and so on.. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 47 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 14-Sep-2004 00:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 38 (Darrin):
> The point is that unless you state the bleeding obvious then people don't take all of the facts into account. The subject matter here was about obtaining a license to port OS4 to some PPC boards of your choice. That's a BIG investment and not something you're going to do out of your garage.
Seems to me the reason the cost of the A1 is so high is because proceeds from the sales of the boards are going to OS4 development. |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 48 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 14-Sep-2004 00:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 38 (Darrin):
> We know Alan has been flying back and forth China trying to drum up a market for these things so calculate in the costs of a few business class seats. Last time I flew to Hong Kong business class the ticket was over $6000. Sell 1000 boards and that's an added $6 per board just for 1 flight...
I wonder if any businessman has ever secretly had a girlfriend in Hong Kong and used the 'business trip' excuse to get over there? |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 49 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 14-Sep-2004 00:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Darth_X):
If I post any more here, I'll turn into samface! |
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| Eyetech not responding : Comment 50 of 59 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 14-Sep-2004 00:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Nicolas Mendoza):
> Alan has been in China doing succesful business, yes.
How sucessful? :) |
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