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Posted on 15-Sep-2004 10:35 GMT by Lewis Mistreated (Edited on 2004-09-16 14:20:35 GMT by Christophe Decanini)87 comments
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After the announcement the MorphOS team made earlier this summer, now MorphOS.net turned back with its old, pre-Genesi-advent style. [Removed opinion part - Christophe]
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 51 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Sep-2004 09:41 GMT
>After the scaring announcement the MorphOS team made earlier this summer, now >MorphOS.net turned back with its old, pre-Genesi-advent style. [Removed >opinion part - Christophe]

Removed opinion part? There is one opinion left, why isn't the word 'scaring' removed as well?
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 52 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 16-Sep-2004 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (hooligan/dcs):
It's fantastic!
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 53 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 16-Sep-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
I removed it.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 54 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Sep-2004 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
Have they (MOS team) actually said anything since that announcement btw?
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 55 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 16-Sep-2004 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Amon_Re):
They didn't say anything in public.
I think that Bill Buck speaking his mind on any idea that could help develop MorphOS/Pegasos create some expectations from the users that can not be met.
It does not go with the MorphOS team policy of complete silence until it is released.
Bill Buck is certainly speaking about these projects to see if he can gather some interest and get some projects started. However lack of solid financing is not helping to have these things completed.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 56 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 16-Sep-2004 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Amon_Re):
Yes, two days later.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 57 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 16-Sep-2004 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Nicolas Sallin):
Hm, did I miss something ?
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 58 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 16-Sep-2004 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Christophe Decanini):
Well July 23 was the original announcement and two days later some information about everything that was in the air at this time.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 59 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (gary_c):
"There's only one sure thing in your post: your hate for Bill Buck."


You noticed? :)

gary_c,

No sense of humor these days? The post was just a little joke pointing out how quickly things can do a 180 around here these days. "I" wasn't 'claiming' those things were true, those were just the things that have been talked about ad nauseum around here during the last 2 years of mudslinging (from both parties). It would be amusing of similar things started happening again, but this time Genesi vs. MorphOS instead of Genesi vs Amiga.... Calm Down..

As more and more prominent members of this community (various well thought of webmasters etc..) start to feel the sames way about Buck as I do (and many already do) then maybe the wool will slowly be pulled from in front of your eyes. Buck is not a nice person.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 60 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Sep-2004 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Agima):
"Buck is not a nice person."

Nor are Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

Can Bill Buck sell a large number of computers? That is the question.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 61 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Don Cox):
>>Nor are Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.

>>Can Bill Buck sell a large number of computers? That is the question.


The real question may be will the "Amiga" community (AmigaOS, MorphOS, and the other variants) be willing to put up with (and for how long) it's own Bill Gates(Buck) variant. Part of being 'Amiga' is getting away from the Gates mantra -- 'Take any technology that you happen to want at the moment in an immoral way and at any cost... lie, cheat, and steal to sell some product' type cr@p.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 62 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 16-Sep-2004 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Agima):
The Amiga 'community'...lol, people keep using that word like it has meaning...long destroyed by lack of leadsership, poor leadership and wooly thinking by the various owners of the name, yes even CBM helped a little 'back in the day.'

Don't go blaming all the crap today on two people (BB RV - although you have said nothing about RV as far as I know). For what it's worth, I believe the remnants of what people fondly refer to as the 'Amiga community' is as much responsible for tearing itself apart as the owners.

The Amiga 'community' needs some kind of fire running through it to weed out the dead wood and if it survives try and re-build something.

I believe this has already started. I mean there are two groups of dedicated people building in a direction...who knows if they'll meet in the middle or just wither and die on their own.

FWIW It's my belief (based on falling turnout at shows etc.) that it'll just die on it's own and squabbling and hate mongering is merely hastening that..at best it's standing in one place and jumping around a bit to give the appearance of motion.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 63 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2004 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Agima):
>The real question may be will the "Amiga" community (AmigaOS, MorphOS, and the other variants) be willing to put up with (and for how long) it's own Bill Gates(Buck) variant

The "Amiga community" has put up with Moss and McEwen for years. Hell, some morons still do. Surely Buck is no-news in this territory.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 64 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (JKD):
>>The Amiga 'community' needs some kind of fire running through it to weed out the dead wood and if it survives try and re-build something.


I aggree with what you say and you're right, can't just blame one person.

Regarding the part of your text that I quoted above, what I fear is that people are trying to rebuild around something (someone) that is already 'dead wood' as you put it. Setting the community up for failure yet again. Past track records can and often do predict future results when it comes to peoples personalities.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 65 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (hooligan/dcs):
>>The "Amiga community" has put up with Moss and McEwen for years. Hell, some morons still do. Surely Buck is no-news in this territory.


Exactly! You don't want Amiga to grow and be run by McEwen do you, nor Bill Gates, nor Buck right?
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2004 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Agima):
Well, Gates, yes. At least he has the money to perform miracles.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 67 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (hooligan/dcs):
>>At least he has the money to perform miracles.

Well, yes, it would be nice to have some money to work with, but is it worth your soul? ;)
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 68 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (hooligan/dcs):
>>At least he has the money to perform miracles.

Well, yes, it would be nice to have some money to work with, but is it worth your soul? ;)
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 69 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2004 15:51 GMT
I sold my soul to Captain Pegasos long time ago =)
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Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Sep-2004 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (hooligan/dcs):
Just your soul? *Evil Grin*
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Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (hooligan/dcs):
>>I sold my soul to Captain Pegasos long time ago =)

I sold my likeness to him a long time ago :)


No, I'm not wearing spandex while typing this right now.... Or maybe I am...
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 72 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Sep-2004 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Amon_Re):
Yes. My virgity was a giveaway and a goodwill gesture.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 73 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 16-Sep-2004 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Agima):
You just described Ben Hermans, his friends and their immoral and illegal actions against MorphOS during the past years. :)
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 74 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Nicolas Sallin):
@Nicolas Sallin

Throwing in some redirection there? ;)

Two wrongs don't make a right, Buck is still a bad little boy regardless of what other people are doing. So where is the point in your statement?
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 75 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 16-Sep-2004 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Agima):
To show your favorite solution shouldn't depend on some guy or marketroid.

Only the technology and the fun of using it should count. Well, at least that was the original idea 20 years ago.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 76 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Nicolas Sallin):
>>Only the technology and the fun of using it should count.

The whole experience should count. If some drug dealers were selling a kick butt video game system, I'd probably feel bad buying it knowing the money is going to a bad cause...
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 77 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 16-Sep-2004 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Agima):
Then buy your kick butt video game system in a shop buying it from the manufacturer and not from the drug reseller.
Simple.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 78 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Nicolas Sallin):
>>Then buy your kick butt video game system in a shop buying it from the manufacturer and not from the drug reseller.

And if the manufacturer is the drug dealer? Sort of screws the 'fun' out of the experience.

It's just all about morals.....
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 79 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 16-Sep-2004 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Agima):
But this is not the case since they are different entities. So the moral is safe and this thread can end here.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 80 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 16-Sep-2004 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Nicolas Sallin):
>>But this is not the case since they are different entities. So the moral is safe and this thread can end here.


But isn't that what the thread is all about? Genesi and MorphOS giving each other some space, showing that they seperate entities? I think the thread "starts" here. Ok, ok.. I'll leave it alone :)
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Posted by gary_c on 16-Sep-2004 23:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Agima):
"There's only one sure thing in your post: your hate for Bill Buck."


You noticed? :)

gary_c,

No sense of humor these days?

Sure, I laugh my butt off at things that are actually funny. Ask my kids -- slapstick and Daffy Duck are some of my guilty pleasures. But you know when a 'joke' is focused on things that are highly contentious, people will react without laughing.

"I" wasn't 'claiming' those things were true, those were just the things that have been talked about ad nauseum around here during the last 2 years of mudslinging (from both parties). It would be amusing of similar things started happening again, but this time Genesi vs. MorphOS instead of Genesi vs Amiga.... Calm Down..

When you've said some of the same things apparently without joking, I suppose it's hard to this time see it as a joke.

As more and more prominent members of this community (various well thought of webmasters etc..) start to feel the sames way about Buck as I do (and many already do) then maybe the wool will slowly be pulled from in front of your eyes.

Uh, Agima, I interact with Bill Buck fairly regularly, and have since Genesi and the Phoenix consortium got together over a year ago. I was in communication with Christian Kemp regarding the Genesi web servers, etc. while he was still trying to get information on them (Bill Buck referred him to me at a time when the Genesi web team was 'in transition', as the Phoenix site is on the same machine). I've been kept informed of and involved in other web-related and other issues and personnel. I don't think I need some anonymous "Agima's" opinion, based on a biased interpretation of *selected public information only*, to get a more complete view of all of this. Gimme a break. I see what you're saying and it fits into a piece of the spectrum of my awareness of Bill Buck and Genesi. But thanks for your concern.

Buck is not a nice person.

I'm quite aware of what has gone down in the public arena. I acknowledge that mistakes have been made, and I don't agree with some of things that have been said and done. But it takes a leap of logic to go from this to condemning an individual. Although I'm peripheral compared to the people who work with Genesi on a day-to-day basis, I'm confident I have a *much* more complete basis than you have to make assessments of Bill Buck's character. I understand why you might have the opinion you have, but I also understand why people thought for a long time that the world was flat.

-- gary_c
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 82 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 17-Sep-2004 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (gary_c):
@gary_c

I appreciate everything you've said, seriously I do. It's just everything you say should be coming from Buck himself for it to have any meaning.

Maybe if Buck could make appology for himself as well you appologize for him, people would give him a second change.
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 83 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 17-Sep-2004 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Agima):
Apologize for what? His personality? Seriously though, how many CEOs do you *ever* see apologizing? It's largely regarded as a sign of weakness. I've seen a few 'we made a mistake', 'we overestimated' but never an apology...
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 84 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 18-Sep-2004 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (JKD):
> I've seen a few 'we made a mistake', 'we overestimated' but never an apology...

Where I come from, that IS an apology!
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 85 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Sep-2004 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Nicolas Sallin):
Let's not hesitate:

http://www.genesi.lu/strategy.php
"Genesi owns MorphOS and develops and modifies it internally."
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Posted by priest on 20-Sep-2004 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Nicolas Sallin):
Let's not hesitate:

http://www.genesi.lu/strategy.php
"Genesi owns MorphOS and develops and modifies it internally."
morphos.net back to its roots : Comment 87 of 87ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 21-Sep-2004 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (priest):
The two posts of yours indicates you HESITATED!
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