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[Events] The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in FinlandANN.lu
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Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland

TAMPERE, FINLAND - September 23st, 2004 - Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta.

Encouraged by the recent technological advances within the extended Amiga community, the Finnish Amiga Users Group is once again excited to showcase the latest progress. Colour blind since its inception, the Finnish Amiga Users Group welcomes everyone - and attendance is free as usual. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

Also attending is Finnish Amiga retailer Gentle Eye Ky. Welcome!

About Finnish Amiga Users Group

Finnish Amiga Users Group (officially Suomen Amiga-käyttäjät ry.) is a registered, non-profit organization dedicated to supporting Finnish Amiga computer users by preserving and advancing the Amiga hobby and knowledge of the Amiga computing platform in Finland. The group aims to reach its goals through volunteer efforts such as organizing events and publishing an e-zine called Saku. For more information, see http://saku.amigafin.org.

The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 101 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Janne):
To me it looks like the version of MorphOS shown here was identical as shown at PUSH, but not as good demoed (no TCP/IP, 3D, etc).

http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=764&si=1

I do not think this was the most current development version at all ...
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 102 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Don Cox):
There are no need to make bad programs just experiment whit hardware,
even whit an adapter you can do the same, and it most likely allot smarter, lets say you make design a bad pcb, and test the card on your new AmigaOne and break your COM ports what do you do then? if you use an external adapter on the other hand you only break the adapter and not a chip on your mainboard,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 103 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Janne):
The old AmiPDF on AmigaOS40 pre is slow when you displayed PDF whit allot of graphics or allots of small text, complicated layouts.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 104 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 25-Sep-2004 18:31 GMT
Short thoughts.. will watch a movie soon.

I didn't see any software run on AmigaOne except for DVPlayer and AmiPDF. I only saw icons, windows and AmigaOS preferences. Thats why the pics of OS4 are a bit dump and meaningless. Maybe I appeared there too late or something.

Petunia was not integrated... shame. As OS4b owner I'd be a bit worried at this point when the update is already in test and now it seems it's not in.
DMA was apparently enabled. The AmigaOne booted quite slowly, don't know why.
Resizing windows still causes flicker, like in Riihimäki last year.
OS4 didn't crash and seemed very stable, which was a big step from what I saw last year. In overall the OS is working just fine, but lacking software to demo.


MorphOS1.5b.

Some improvements.. was waiting a bit more, honestly. TCP/IP is integrated and can be found in Network-prefs. LOOOOOTS of hotkeys can be defined aswell.

Radeon 3d-support, I don't know of.. the Pegasos was running with Voodoo. Damn you Piru. Well it seemed to perform pretty well with the games and screenblankers.

Also some small but important improvements.. Shell is now MUI. Shutdown can be found and things like that.
Pleased to see MPlayer working now so that the onscreen-texts doesn't have doublebuffer-problem(=flickering text).

In general, both OS's worked as expected. MorphOS just have more software to run. OS4 is NOT ahead of MorphOS1.5 in any areas I noticed. But it is getting very close, and very fast. Should keep the MOS-lemmings motivated.. if not, you guys are screwed ;-)

Anyway.. I wasn't there the whole time so I hope to see more specific report. It can be that I missed something in presentations.

Off to me Ali .. till tomorrow.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 105 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 25-Sep-2004 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
>I do not think this was the most current development version at all ...

It was demoed in Finland by Piru, one of the MorphOS developers. He said aside from Ambient it was almost totally the current developer version with some stuff as new as last night or so, I believe.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 106 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 25-Sep-2004 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Kjetil):
>The old AmiPDF on AmigaOS40 pre is slow when you displayed PD

Yes I know. Now it seemed to be OK.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 107 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (hooligan/dcs):
Beta testers use full debug output dumping that out on serial port 9600 8 N 1 is kind of slow,
you get quite speed up just setting 19200 8 N 1 in uboot,

Even on AmigaOS pre lots of debug output are dumped even if debug is set to none.

one more thing the network interface used at lest 3sec to init it self,
so I use this line "run <>nil: C:AddNetInterface >NIL: DEVS:NetInterfaces/~(#?.(info|off))"
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 108 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Kjetil):
the interrupt progress in uboot is set normally to 10sec I think setting that down to 1 sec give quite a improvement when it comes to boot time.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 109 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Janne):
"He said aside from Ambient it was almost totally the current developer version with some stuff as new as last night or so, I believe."

Well I believe that except from latest ambient this might almost be most current. But MOS devs have also said on IRC that 1.5 update is "boring" (bad word I know) - meaning most changes are not direct visible [on screenshots?] but "under the hood". Later they also said next update may be too big to be calles 1.5 - it may be MAJOR update (2.0?). Was all the latest and was all really demoed?

It looked good anyway i think!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 110 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 19:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Kjetil):
No "ram debug"?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 111 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Anonymous):
Ram is unsafe place to store important debug output when your computer crashes reboots or what ever, this is way serial output is used when they beta test/develop amigaos40/uboot,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 112 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Kjetil):
I hope they remove that feature quite quickly doh.... :-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 113 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 19:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Anonymous):
I don't get the version number on MorphOS, 1.0 did not contain the full feature list, and so, guess version numbers are used to promote the products ;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 114 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by deeq/RNO on 25-Sep-2004 19:50 GMT
Here's my pictures from show:
http://deeq.wmhost.com/pix/scene/saku2004/

and few videoclips:
http://deeq.wmhost.com/pix/scene/saku2004/clips/
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 115 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Kjetil):
Life really starts at "v2.0"! :-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 116 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (deeq/RNO):
A little blurry but nice anyway! :-)

Could you tell what we are looking at too (or who we are looking at in the pictures)?

Thanks! :-D

Hey people, Dont be shy, i saw lots of cameras on other pictures so i know there is more! Post all you got! :-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 117 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 25-Sep-2004 20:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (koan):
"However, my understanding is that Pegasos is much cheaper (*), how is this so
when Genesi has perceivably the same size or smaller userbase ?"

Genesi design, manufacture, and distribute the Pegasos themselves.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 118 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (hooligan/dcs):
Petunia was not integrated... shame. As OS4b owner I'd be a bit worried at this point when the update is already in test and now it seems it's not in.

we are not beta owner :-( we are AmigaOS40 pre developer owners, soon to be AmigaOS40 update owner :-). the current beta contains stuff like warp3D under development, Nova, JIT and a and most likely a few other components,
whit powerup + warpup support comming... ;-)

it's not AmigaOS40 final beta that is in testing it the new components in the update the update is just a stepping stone towards AmigaOS40 final full version, clearly there are a few bricks missing, this is way I say the things a say in the start of the tread, the product that where presented is not the product we are getting or we pre-ordered for,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 119 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by deeq/RNO on 25-Sep-2004 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Anonymous):
Yep, low quality pictures :/
I tried to include some comments to pictures in gallery (if there was anything worth to mention in picture :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 120 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Dan on 25-Sep-2004 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Don Cox):
Exactly, I doubt the simple 2-wires to the par-port linkcable I built to link my TI-86 calculator would be possible with USB. Or the other diode and resistor cable for the same calc that connected to the ser-port. Or the linkcable to my Newton.

Kjetil should throw away all his amigas and get a nice new shiny G5mac or a opteron pc. And throw away his pencils. And his hammer, nailguns are the future.
Tried and true technology, we can´t have that can we?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 121 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Dan on 25-Sep-2004 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (hooligan/dcs):
Any word about the tv-out on Radeons in MOS?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 122 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (koan):
I think there is more developers working on AmigaOS40 then MorphOS to try minimize the margin between them, the development costs of the OS is covered in the price of AmigaOne hardware, AmigaOS40 is moving quite fast,

The cost of developing the OS comes in to play when they sell the hardware,

* MorphOS started as an idea, whit only a few developers efficient developers,
time is spent efficient on development and over many years

* AmigaOS40 started whit lots of planing whit lots developers,
time is spent efficient planing (phase 1) and development (phase 2),

AmigaOS40 most likely costs more the MorphOS to develop,
or at least it has taken AmigaOS40 some time to break even,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 123 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Sep-2004 01:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Janne):
>Voodoo 3D was said to four times faster than in 1.4.

I believe this is compared to the very limited Warp3D.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 124 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Sep-2004 01:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Janne):
Is AmiPDF compatible with PDF 1.5?
The current MOS Apdf is not and this sucks.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 125 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Sep-2004 01:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (hooligan/dcs):
>Resizing windows still causes flicker, like in Riihimäki last year.

Just like in MorphOS with e.g. IBrowse and dnetc output window...
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 126 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 26-Sep-2004 01:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Kjetil):
we are not beta owner :-( we are AmigaOS40 pre developer owners, soon to be AmigaOS40 update owner :-). the current beta contains stuff like warp3D under development, Nova, JIT and a and most likely a few other components,
whit powerup + warpup support comming... ;-)
Where did you hear that? I didnt think they'd even started NOVA.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 127 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Sep-2004 01:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Kjetil):
>Beta testers use full debug output dumping that out on serial port 9600 8 N 1 is kind of slow,
>you get quite speed up just setting 19200 8 N 1 in uboot

Why not have 115200?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 128 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 26-Sep-2004 05:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Joe):
Note: I did not attentd event myself..

So far I have not heard *ANY* 3rd-party apps been shown atop of OS4 on that demo-event (apparently is was just Boring-Plain OS4-preview install with some late patch'es)... I know this OS4 prerelase is quite new, but if it has any Backward compatibility they should spend time/effort to demonstrate it. IMHO it's an important feature as there aren't likely to be planty new Os4 native apps available on upcoming months.

For MorphOS.. That TCP-stack (and some other parts) is way too *LATE*... I have (like allmost all people) heard about problems aroung Genesi... But: NetStack was supposed to be there year ago and they still dont have Gui?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 129 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Sep-2004 05:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (JoannaK):
>For MorphOS.. That TCP-stack (and some other parts) is way too *LATE*... I have (like allmost all people) heard about problems aroung Genesi... But: NetStack was supposed to be there year ago and they still dont have Gui?

Didn't you read my comments? It can be found in Prefs/Network :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 130 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Sep-2004 05:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Dan):
>Any word about the tv-out on Radeons in MOS?

Sorry I didn't ask about this. Maybe some MOS devs could answer?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 131 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Sep-2004 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (hooligan/dcs):
Or then again, maybe I forgot to mention about it =)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 132 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 26-Sep-2004 05:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (JoannaK):
JoannaK:

>So far I have not heard *ANY* 3rd-party apps been shown atop of OS4 on that demo-event

Indeed very little was shown, but at least a software rendered SDL game port was shown. It was much slowed though than the SDL games that were run hardware accelerated on MorphOS 1.5.

Dan:

>Any word about the tv-out on Radeons in MOS?

I think somebody asked this and the answer was that it was not supported yet.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 133 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 26-Sep-2004 05:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (hooligan/dcs):
Ah, sorry, I must have missed that one.. I thought I didn't have Gui yet.. OK.. It's STILL late... :-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 134 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 26-Sep-2004 06:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Janne):
Janne: Uh.. Beta-Os without working JIT and one SW-redered 3d-Game? .. IIRC Pegasos/MoprphOS had that much to Demo on Alt-party 2003 (Held in Helsinki, January 2003). That's well over 18 months ago.

I know it's not the whole and absolute truth, but definitely shows that there is still a lot to do.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 135 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 26-Sep-2004 06:44 GMT
Nice to see that the Finns can manage to have both MorphOS and AmigaOS at display at a big meeting, sadly this don't seem to be possible on the other side of the Gulf of Bothnia.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 136 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 26-Sep-2004 07:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (JoannaK):
From what I've heard, Os4 will have a heck of a lot more to show come BB2.


Time will Tell
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 137 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 26-Sep-2004 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (The_Editor):
what have you heard?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 138 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 26-Sep-2004 07:24 GMT
Hi!

It was a nice show. I tried to look both of the demonstration but it was very hard because of the crowd :) Please, there must be a video projector next time.

Boogie/Gentle Eye had a pre-release (?) AOS 4 / A1 with Radeon 8500 to be tried.

Jontsa demoed G4@800MHz AmigaOne (perhaps with Radeon, can't remember). He demonstrated us at least the following:
UBoot, 2nd Level Loader, Early Startup, Workbench, Amidock, Multiview, AmiPDF, Audio Evolution, Mixer, Amplifier, DV Player (3 at the same time actually), Native P96, Native MUI, PC Task (!) AMP, some SDL games, RoadShow, IBrowse, A-Web (not the latest native though), Crisot's demo, Quake SW-rendered, RayRace, GUI prefs, Intuition features. I witnessed no Grim Reapers or crashes.

On MorphOS side, Jupp3 (I think?) demoed MorphOS 1.4 on his G4@1000MHz Pegasos with Radeon 3 3000 AGP. We saw games like Earth 2140, Knights & Merchants, some image processing software (was that fxPaint?), Transport Tycoon plus some Asteroids clone done with BlizBasic. Later on Piru jumped in with MorphOS 1.5 beta. Ambient was still version 1.4 I think.

He demoed Real-time preferences, Quake 2, Safe reset handler, boot menu, AminetRadio, SID player, AB3D II - TKG, screen savers, Task Manager and SDL games.

I think the show was worth visiting. Blame yourself for not being there ;)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 139 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 26-Sep-2004 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Jon):
Hmm.. Thaks for a list.. looks consideable better now... I know that AudioEvolution is native (at least author has been workin on it quite a while) but how about other SW:s?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 140 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 26-Sep-2004 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Janne):
">So far I have not heard *ANY* 3rd-party apps been shown atop of OS4 on that demo-event

Indeed very little was shown, but at least a software rendered SDL game port was shown."

This seems very strange. The point of an OS is to run programs. AOS4 will only be interesting to me when it runs more programs than Amithlon, especially major Amiga programs that do not run on Amithlon.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 141 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 26-Sep-2004 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Jon):
I was just corrected that no real PC-task was shown, but a screenshot. Sorry for misunderstanding.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 142 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Gelb on 26-Sep-2004 08:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Kjetil):
>Beta testers use full debug output dumping that out on serial port 9600 8 N 1
> is kind of slow, you get quite speed up just setting 19200 8 N 1 in uboot,
> Even on AmigaOS pre lots of debug output are dumped even if debug is set to
> none.

*YAWN* Any more excuses?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 143 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Gelb on 26-Sep-2004 08:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Kjetil):
> the current beta contains stuff like warp3D under development, Nova, JIT and
> a and most likely a few other components,
> whit powerup + warpup support comming... ;-)

Can you be anymore vague please? Anymore pointless "comming soon" info that we keep being fed for several years now?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 144 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 26-Sep-2004 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (JoannaK):
FXPaint is native, way did he not demo that?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 145 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 26-Sep-2004 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Jon):
Adding to the AOS 4 list: NotePad, Media ToolBox, Partition Wizard, Context Menus, AmigaInput, USB Inspector, AmIRC, Yam or SimpleMail (or maybe both?).

MOS: some C64 emulator, PlayStation 2 pad support, USB support, WipeOut (WOS).
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 146 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 26-Sep-2004 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Gelb):
I'm just pointing out that this is not the beta, it the update for pre version,

The tread started out saying now we can finally compare beta vs beta,
and this is not really true, all the components show where beta tested,
if the update crashed then the update will be delayed until the problem
is fixd. :-/

so the update only contain final components to replace or
fill in for poor pre version components, like bug fixed radian drivers,
better 3com.driver etc, fixed ATA driver whit DMA, and few new
components,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 147 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 26-Sep-2004 08:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Gelb):
Yes I know it sound strange
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 148 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 26-Sep-2004 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (Don Cox):
1st)

Software takes time to make, :-(

2en)

Getting software houses back depends on the
size of the market, if there is a profit, the best you can
do is to get an AmigaOne and start making programs your self,

;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 149 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 26-Sep-2004 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Kjetil):
>The tread started out saying now we can finally compare beta vs beta,
>and this is not really true, all the components show where beta tested,

Well, IMHO that is nitpicking. We saw a lot more of both systems than we had seen in public releases. We didn't see all of the latest stuff for sure (like Ambient 1.5 for MOS, and some things for OS4 like JIT and 3D that are, I was told, not yet in full beta testing but still in the hands of the developers), but we did get a much more fair picture of the current progress than looking at the now months old public releases out there. We know this is not where the progress will end for MOS or OS4, but this is where they pretty much stand right now.

I think it was a good look at both of the systems, and fair and a nice atmosphere too. I see no reason in trying to downplay that.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 150 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Sep-2004 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Janne):
Kjetil is trying to defend OS4 from something, personally, I can't think of from what as it was pretty much in the state as expected. Low self-esteem or something like that :)
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