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[Forum] The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi storyANN.lu
Posted on 28-Sep-2004 09:30 GMT by Conspirator35 comments
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Who are the "sudden" KMOS? Why don’t we hear anything from them? Why did the court case end and go silent so abruptly? Why does "The Official MorphOS Team" suddenly show signs of distancing themselves from Genesi? Where did some of the Amiga Inc key people go, and why? Who doesnt love a good conspiracy? I have all the answeres!

Amiga Inc once threatened Genesi that actions would be taken against the MorphOS team because of “stolen IP”. Genesi realized Amiga Inc’s poor situation at that time and answered by entering a lawsuit against Amiga Inc on a different matter, a broken contract. Amiga Inc was already bancrupt in practice and had no means to put up a fight, so it would be an easy match (and indeed it turned out to be a match won by walk over).

Amiga Inc was founded by some IT Bubble enthusiasts (Bill McEwen, Fleecy Moss, etc) but THE REAL CAPITAL came from a serious Venture Capitalist. The VC realized that Amiga Inc was lost but understood that there would still be some value to collect from its corpse. They sent out a guy called Garry Hare to save what could be saved and do the best out of the situation. He realized that Amiga Inc had started a project, AmigaOS4, that was not in the scope of what they got their money for, the Amiga DE, so he decided to get rid of those assets in order to once again streamline their focus on the only product his employers (the VC’s) is interested in, the product that has got a real chance of success, “Amiga” DE. These assets was also threatenned by the many claims from former partners, employees, etc. On April 23, 2003 he transfered everything we know as AmigaOS - all of Amiga's right, title, source code, and all versions, from the "Classic Amiga Operating System" through AmigaOS 4.0 and all subsequent versions – to Itec LLC, a newly founded company for the purpose of holding and later selling off these assets.

There was this one BIG problem though - All employees (as in SW engineers, project leaders, business developers, etc (not talking about fanatic working for free webmasters (where did that guy go BTW?))) and human resources in Amiga Inc was lost, so in order to restart the Amiga DE project, Garry needed to connect fresh blood to this project. He went around, passing out business cards on trade shows etc, trying to connect with people who would offer some sort cooperation. Naturally, Garry came in contact with Genesi (a friend of Genesi got one of the cards and passed it forward to them). They did some talking.

OK, back to Genesi for a while. MorphOS (not OS4 too for that matter) is not developed by a big, highly paid, work force, but by a quite small amount of enthusiasts pretty much working for free. Genesi has however sponsored the MorphOS project by hiring some consultant developers from the community for specific parts of the MorphOS projects etc. Genesi has also tried to add value to MorphOS as well as support the few remaining Amiga SW developers by giving them Pegasos machines for free, creating the Super Bundle, etc. But while Genesi was investing considerable amounts of money into the Amiga/MorphOS community, they have never managed to get real ownership and real control over the MorphOS. MorphOS is still owned, maintained and developed by “The Official MorphOS Team”. This is naturally a kind of threat to Genesi (at least a limitation), since they may come up in a situation where they make grand business plans for the OS, connecting partners, entering deals, etc, just to see “The Official MorphOS Team” refuse to take part in that. Genesi could wake up in a situation where they are hold hostage. That won’t do. Of course, cooperation is the preferred way, and MorphOS is the preferred OS, but they also need some kind of backup plan. AmigaOS4 could very well be such a plan.

When BBRV realize that the Amiga Inc actually is trying to get rid of the AmigaOS (actually, they already HAD transferred it to Itech) to focus on the Amiga DE product, a plan begin to take form. They create a new company (maybe through a decoy company, possibly TOGETHER with Amiga Incs former VC’s, I don’t know), they called it KMOS Inc, and it is this company that takes over the AmigaOS and all related IP assets. This way Genesi has secured its investments in the Amiga community – they will have an Amiga OS on the Pegasos and any future HW products no matter what, as well as access to some interesting technology for future Eclipsis style products (read on to the Amiga DE further down). This “Kill-MOS” or “MOS-Killer” also functions as a counter threat against “The Official MorphOS Team”, rendering THEIR threattening position during negotiations to a minimum (Genesi has an alternative OS, but MorphOS has no alternative hardware). “The Official MorphOS Team” was of course not too pleased about this, but what could they do? They could play the few cards they have during negotiations, like threattening of going public with the situation, and they almost did. They made these little hints recently, like publically distancing themselves from Genesi by posting publically as “The Official MorphOS Team” instead of “Genesi”, as well as move the MorphOS site back to their own, pre-genesi style. Maybe it worked, I don’t know, perhaps all has come to an agreement now when the site is back at Genesis house, and everyone is happy now?

Well, where were we? Yes, we were at the point where the newly founded company KMOS just took over the AmigaOS assets. At this point we see a lot of changes, in a matter of only a few weeks, even days. Fleecy Moss and his regular rantings suddenly disappear, so is that annoying webmaster. Silencing those has almost been a promise from BBRV. The notorious Club Amiga dies a sudden death, R.I.P, not to be missed by anyone. Also “the monthly magazine” is put on hold. The lawsuit suddenly ends, everything about it goes silent, everyone seems happy with the situation, and KMOS says it will honour its ruling. Hehe. Only to make the painting a masterpiece, they actually engage Garry Hare as a director in this company! Alltogether, this has truly been a knockout-punch to everyone throwing shit at BBRV for their ambitions to bring OS4 to the Pegasos, for their true story about Garry Hares business card, and all the people who actively has worked for a community split by separating OS4 from the rest of the community, through anotherworld.net and other things, people like Fleecy Moss, Ray A Akey, Mike Bouma, Mikey C, Dave P, Ben Hermans etc. They just don’t know it yet, which just makes it sooo beautiful!

This post on wrongpla.net (http://pulp.wrongpla.net/news/article102.html?2a90b1cef055335bd23914332765e298=fe50306f72d548d9193fc476c53539f3) is actually not 100% a joke, the tone and writing style of course is, to make the post fit in among the other articles on that site, but its based on a deep underlying truth. This is what makes the situation so clever and funny to the ones who understands it (this will become clear to everyone later on). At this point (meaning right now, this minute), probably not even Hyperion knows the real story behind KMOS and its future plans for AmigaOS, but the fact remains, AmigaOS will come to Pegasos. Of course, it will first be fully released (in a final release) on the A1 hardware, just to honour those who invested their hearts into that HW, if for no other reason. No-one wants to piss off any more Amiga community members. But when Amiga DE gets running on it and bundled with it (it WILL get running, both on AmigaOS and MorphOS), it will upgrade to version 5.0 and things might change a bit, who knows? We all know one thing though, no one at Genesi is very happy with Alan Redhouse and Eyetech. Despite what many people thinks - Genesi is quite neutral to other people and organizations on “the red side” and actually wouldn’t mind cooperating with lots of them since they realize that they are skilled developers, but Eyetech could not bring ANYTHING positive, and they have caused LOTS of trouble for Genesi in the past, too much for them to be able to forgive. At some point, there will be a final blow to shut them down.

Well, what about the Amiga DE then? Well, Genesi (as well as the co-funders of KMOS probably is, for the obvious reason below) is actually quite interested in the Amiga DE idea. There is no secret that Genesi early on recognized the potential in mobile computing and communication. The Eclipsis was a concept they thought about very early on, and they still plan future HW reference designs based on that idea. Amiga DE would be a perfect tool for this, especially if Garry Hare is successful in his mission to connect many partners to this project. Genesi has allready created a support website for the Amiga DE for future use (http://amigade.pegasosppc.com), they have hinted in several posts that they have been in contact with TAO about it, and earlier this summer Garry announced:

We have now acquired Amiga Inc. We finished this aquisition in the last few days. There are several reasons for it: we have a responsibility for building a brand and we need control over it … In short term we will focus on Amiga's DE products and we will announce extensions to it and move DE into the market immediately.

I think they will succeed in this. The circle is closed, the hostility morphed into new interesting partnerships. It only took the removal of certain people out of the picture, and voila! The future looks exciting – for allmost all of us!

(Note: This whole post is of course intended as a joke. Slow day at work. Thanks for reading this far! ;-))

The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 1 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 28-Sep-2004 07:51 GMT
Yay, thanks for clearing things up. ;D
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 2 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 28-Sep-2004 07:51 GMT
LOL :-D
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 3 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 28-Sep-2004 07:57 GMT
Hahaha... bravo. Hilarious stuff.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 4 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Joe on 28-Sep-2004 07:58 GMT
There is no decent companies left in the Amiga market (including MorphOS).
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 5 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 28-Sep-2004 08:19 GMT
Well done article TMHG and, maybe, if you knew who actually is "TrustedUser" on WrongPlanet (the one having written the article linked from your article), all this could suddenly shine in a really new light and not considered as joke anymore ;-)
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 6 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Sep-2004 08:25 GMT
Shouldn't you have post this to Wrongplanet not here ? This is a news site, wrongplanet is right place for things like this.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 7 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 28-Sep-2004 08:26 GMT
"clueless" sprang to my mind.

btw. people like Ray A.Key have gone nowhere.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 8 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 28-Sep-2004 08:54 GMT
I don't get it, i didn't find it perticulary entertaining, but it was clearly & well written, i'll give you that :)
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 9 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Sep-2004 09:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Tryo):
Who is he?
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 10 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 28-Sep-2004 11:03 GMT
Hehe, excellent!

You could probably sell it as a pocket book.

Now do one about the supposedly moon landing and then one about what the world would be if the Nazis had won the war ;)

and while we're at it: change ANN to the ANioN (http://theonion.com) ;D
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 11 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Juan Carlos Marcos Rodríguez on 28-Sep-2004 11:04 GMT
Wonderful writeup, "Conspirator"! May I have your real name, please? Not only this theory could perfectly be true, also my brain wants it to be true. Very interesting read!

See ya!
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 12 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Sep-2004 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amon_Re):
Well, as I said, this was only a joke. Perhaps not a "joke" as in "funny" (but it seems a few people thought it was ;-)), but at least ... nothing but a joke! :-)

I just picked all the "MYSTERIES" out there from a year or so back in time (all the un-answered questions I could find), from BOTH SIDES, put them ALL TOGETHER in one single big cettle, mixed that with a few KNOWN FACTS and a lot of FABRICATED EXPLANATIONS, and tried to MOLD IT ALL into one big single story - a CONSPIRACY! :-)

AFAIK, there is nothing true about it at all! I just wanted to see what reactions I could provoce (not a lot it seems, I am a bad conspirator) ....

;-)

I think you will get a good conspiracy theory if you put some known facts from different places together with imaginary claims and manage to create a consistent thread out of it! But I probably must improve my skills ...

Sure, I could have posted it on wrongpla.net, but why, there is also a forum section here on ann, as well as a rant section.. So why not here? ;-)

Anyone, feel free to improve this theory in any way you can! :-)
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 13 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Sep-2004 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Juan Carlos Marcos Rodríguez):
Thank you! :-D
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 14 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-Sep-2004 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Joe):
MorphOS is not a company. It's a pirate hacker group.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 15 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 28-Sep-2004 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Hey, no need to justificate you, i wasn't questioning it or your motives, it just didn't strike me as particuliary funny stuff, that's all :)

BTW, you've got way too much free time on your hands :P
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 16 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Stevo on 28-Sep-2004 12:47 GMT
I knew it, I knew it ! :-P

Great stuff and well-written!
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 17 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 28-Sep-2004 14:52 GMT
He, he, well written!! When can we see the movie? ;¬)

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 18 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 28-Sep-2004 15:29 GMT
I think the name "Itech" is kind of interesting, pronounced almost the same way as "Eyetech"!

:-O

> Who are the "sudden" KMOS?

I think it would be really interesting to see if anyone from *Hyperion* actually is able to answer that question?

Actually, I think it would be interesting to see if *anyone at all* could answer that question. Who are they, what are their ambitions, what are their means and resources, etc. These are *not* unimportant questions ...

> Why don’t we hear anything from them?

Can anyone answer this too?

> Why did the court case end and go silent so abruptly?

Well, Genesi won the case, and it ended. Period. Nothing more to say, only to comply!

;-)

> Why does "The Official MorphOS Team" suddenly show signs of distancing
> themselves from Genesi?

I think many people has asked themselves whats going on there between Genesi and the MorphOS team, if anything at all. Things looked strange for a while but everything seems to be fine now? At least the websites are back to normal again ...

> Where did some of the Amiga Inc key people go, and why?

They went away a long time ago, only a few dedicated spirits cared to hold up a front of good appearance. Now there are new owners and it seems there was no room for them in the new organization (is there really an organization BTW?).

> Who doesnt love a good conspiracy?

Yeah! :-) For all you conspiracy lovers out there I can whole-heartedly recommend the book "The Da Vinci Code". It's dealing with an important issue in an interesting way, and if there are any truth at all to that story, it would be by far the biggest conspiracy throughout the history of man, affecting everyone alive in the western world the last 2000 years in one way or another ...
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 19 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 28-Sep-2004 15:29 GMT
That's pretty good. :)

The only thing that was truely 'Moronic' (no pun intended BBRV) and sort of makes what seems like a fairly plausible scenario turn in to one that makes it in to an impossible scenario was this section:

"probably not even Hyperion knows the real story behind KMOS and its future plans for AmigaOS, but the fact remains, AmigaOS will come to Pegasos."


Pretty hard to port AOS4 to the PEG if Hyperion aren't aware they are porting it isn't it? Maybe the guy writing this knows if BBRV has some of that 'magic fairy porting dust' that you sprinkle on a CD and makes it work on the PEG? Pretty good joke none the less.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 20 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 28-Sep-2004 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Agima):
> Pretty hard to port AOS4 to the PEG if Hyperion aren't aware they are porting
> it isn't it?

Well, maybe they haven't got the work order just yet? ;-)

Actually, I wonder if Hyperion really knows how KMOS will use OS4, and to whom its being licensed (if anyone). That was a serious question BTW! :-)
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 21 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 28-Sep-2004 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
> Where did some of the Amiga Inc key people go, and why?

They went away a long time ago, only a few dedicated spirits cared to hold up a front of good appearance. Now there are new owners and it seems there was no room for them in the new organization (is there really an organization BTW?).


Actually, Ray Akey has popped up to say he's still donating his time and services* to Amiga Inc., and I'm pretty sure I recall Garry Hare stating that Moss at least (and by implication McEwen also?) is still "there", though in what capacity wasn't clear.

Gregg

* : But not actually _working_, because he isn't being paid, because they haven't any money, y'see?
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 22 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 28-Sep-2004 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Not at all! That is an excellent story. The only thing you did 'wrong' from a conspiritor's point of view is that you mentioned it was a joke! If you had left it at that then all hell would really have broken loose. :)

---
Sam
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 23 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 28-Sep-2004 19:41 GMT
I read it simply because it was stated right off to be a conspiracy theory... so I knew I might be entertained...


The truth is simply to boring.

KMOS figures they will get licensing income from the sale of OS4 and that all they are interested in regarding classice Amiga computing.

AmigaDE is a system for embedded devices that may likely not have the Amiga logo on it... So you may not know anyway.... besides its a repackage of Tao Intent... not really an Amiga product but only a distro.

KMOS is best just to not say anything and get with doing whatever..

Genesi is the commercial based company to watch for the kind of computing many of us found in the Amiga in the past. Because of MorphOS? perhaps or perhaps thats just a part as Genesi is really a hardware company... Including free OSs of various licensing flavors...

Like I said, boring in comparison to conspiracy theories..... at least until something real happens and takes hold, or should I say ... when teh consumer begins to really take hold...
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 24 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 28-Sep-2004 23:12 GMT
Nice story, and probably no crazier than the reality of the past few years. In fact when I was reading it, I kept thinking, OK, when's the implausible part going to start? :-)

-- gary_c
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 25 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Sep-2004 03:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Gregg):
So would Ray get paid for doing less work while those who are owed more money have not been paid?
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 26 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2004 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Gregg):
> Garry Hare stating that Moss at least (and
> by implication McEwen also?) is still "there",

Yes, both still there, nothing has changed at all, neither the clowns involved nor the aims ("DE")... :-(
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 27 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 29-Sep-2004 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Darth_X):
>>So would Ray get paid for doing less work while those who are owed more money have not been paid?


I don't know. I wonder how much BBRV pay themselves while those who are owed more money have not been paid?
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 28 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 29-Sep-2004 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Agima):
I don't know. I wonder how much BBRV pay themselves while those who are owed more money have not been paid?

I wonder how much of their own money BBRV put into Genesi and the Pegasos before getting anything back. (Hint: few startups make any profits at all for several years.)

-- gary_c
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 29 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 30-Sep-2004 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (gary_c):
>>I wonder how much of their own money BBRV put into Genesi and the Pegasos before getting anything back.

(Hint: I love to see gary_c appologize for BBRV)
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 30 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 30-Sep-2004 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (gary_c):
(Hint: few startups make any profits at all for several years.)

Oh, and Gary, I think I see you're blue bleeding through again. One 'company' is forgiven by you because they are a startup, but another company is not even though they are a startup as well. Sad, sad, sad.....
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 31 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 01-Oct-2004 05:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Agima):
>>I wonder how much of their own money BBRV put into Genesi and the Pegasos before getting anything back.

(Hint: I love to see gary_c appologize for BBRV)


It's nice to be able to make someone happy, even the undeserving. But you need to brush up on what is and what isn't an apology. What I posted wasn't an apology, but rather a response to the silly idea that BBRV are putting themselves ahead of others when it comes to Pegasos earnings.

My point, to explain it again to you, slowly and with small words, is that the Pegasos, overall, is still a *long* way from earning back the money invested up till now, and that invested money is largely from BBRV themselves. Therefore, to say they are being selfish about Pegasos earnings is really ignorant. I know you feel compelled to spring these attacks, but think about it, for pete's sake, and at least come up with something that makes a little sense.

Next post: Oh, and Gary, I think I see you're blue bleeding through again. One 'company' is forgiven by you because they are a startup, but another company is not even though they are a startup as well. Sad, sad, sad.....

Heh. What's sad is this pitiful reply when I didn't say anything remotely like that. Anyway, I thought it was a good story. If you didn't, why don't you post your own? Use that reality-warping capability of yours for a good cause. ;-)

-- gary_c
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 32 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 01-Oct-2004 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (gary_c):
>> the silly idea that BBRV are putting themselves ahead of others

Yeah, traveling around the globe going out to expensives dinners, etc. while former employees go unpaid and can barely afford to eat seems SICK to me.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 33 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 01-Oct-2004 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Agima):
>> the silly idea that BBRV are putting themselves ahead of others

Yeah, traveling around the globe going out to expensives dinners, etc. while former employees go unpaid and can barely afford to eat seems SICK to me.


You're overstating the case on both sides of the equation there, but the issue isn't whether BBRV have a lot more money than the people they've hired (or you or me). They do. The issue is whether Genesi income has been misused by paying for BBRV's travel and so on at the expense of employee pay. Since there has been little to no Genesi income, the answer to that question would be *no*. Now that there is *some* Genesi income, there is again funding for Genesi expenses. BBRV have paid for their travel and expensive meals, etc. out of their own pockets AFAIK. If you expect them to pay *every* Genesi expense out of their own pockets rather than with income earned by the company, you can take that up with them directly, I suppose, but most people do not intend to run a business that way nor are they reasonably expected to.

-- gary_c
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 34 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 01-Oct-2004 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (gary_c):
@gary_c

They should pay employees first before anything. Instead of ripping people off, if they don't have enought money, they should close down shop and sell their assets in order to honour their obligations. BB is all about himself and trying to be somebody someday and will screw anyone he can to get to the top.
The clever AmigaInc -> Itech -> KMOS <- Genesi story : Comment 35 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 02-Oct-2004 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Agima):
They should pay employees first before anything.

Good idea in principle. In practice, when employees' *continuing* pay hinges on the company reinvesting earnings for future production and promotion, the situation gets a lot stickier. There are no easy, simplistic solutions. If you've ever run an operation where you have to make hard choices between "necessary" expenditures, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Instead of ripping people off, if they don't have enought money, they should close down shop and sell their assets in order to honour their obligations.

Well, now you're saying Genesi should screw over the people that *are* currently getting an income from the company, the people that are reselling the products, and anyone else that has invested time, money, or energy in the platform, for the sole purpose of paying a handful of outstanding debts. Yes, this may solve that problem, but at a huge price. If you balance the amount of pay owed to employees against the future pay that is anticipated for all concerned (those unpaid employees as well as current employees and new hires), you can see the huge sacrifice you are advocating.

BB is all about himself and trying to be somebody someday and will screw anyone he can to get to the top.

I understand that this is your opinion, no matter what, and you are determined to clutch to it at all costs. But I suggest you contact Bill Buck directly and ask him what he thinks of this situation. Ask in a civil manner, with the objective of open communication rather than insults, and very likely he will respond, with a tone and an answer that may surprise you.

-- gary_c
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