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Posted on 02-Oct-2004 11:27 GMT by Gabriele Favrin49 comments
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I'd like to know to what entity one should ask permission to use the Amiga Boing Ball logo in a non-commercial site dedicated to Amiga users (obviously to us "Amiga" means whatever system can run AmigaOS, not just A1/Os4). Thanks in advance.
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2004 09:57 GMT
Try emailing information@kmos.com


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Oops, they're busy "staying under the radar". Yeah, that's it.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 02-Oct-2004 09:57 GMT
BBRV@genesi.lu
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2004 11:22 GMT
Amiga is whatever you want it to mean to you, to me it is a brand of biscuit cutters. No reason, but that is the way the world works isn't it?
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 02-Oct-2004 11:46 GMT
What "Amiga" means to you is irrelevant for the trademark owner, they are still the ones who decide what their trademark should be associated with, isn't it?

As for contacting the owner the "Powered by Amiga" trademark, my advice is to start here:
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=75343350
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Posted by 3seas on 02-Oct-2004 12:34 GMT
clackers... play with then and get your wrist brused or broken....

I once asked "whats a flat boing ball sound like, when you try to bounce it?"

The answer I was given is: "you suck"

:)
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2004 13:08 GMT
The boing ball is no registered trademark. You can use it.
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Posted by Elwood on 02-Oct-2004 16:47 GMT
I wonder when we'll distinguish Amiga users from MorphOS users. One day it will become necessary...
No flame please, I'm just wondering if/when we'll have two distinct communities. Should it happen ? Any objections behind it ?
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Posted by Dan Thaning on 02-Oct-2004 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Elwood):
Nah, they will all be running Linux in the future.
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Posted by Golem on 02-Oct-2004 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Elwood):
> Should it happen ?

Yes.

> Any objections behind it ?

No, go ahead.
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Posted by Assmore on 02-Oct-2004 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Elwood):
I wonder when we'll distinguish Amiga users from MorphOS users. One day it will become necessary...

Dude you are talking about two separate operating systems. One original and one rip off.

No flame please, I'm just wondering if/when we'll have two distinct communities. Should it happen ? Any objections behind it ?

The sooner, the better.
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Posted by morphos user on 02-Oct-2004 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Elwood):
> Should it happen ?

Yes it should.

> Any objections behind it ?

No. What is your plan?
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Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 02-Oct-2004 21:33 GMT
Two serious answers (the one about kmos address and the boing not trademark
thing) and 8 silly flames. I'll write to the kmos email address, thanks.
Any other idea?
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Posted by Lando on 02-Oct-2004 22:13 GMT
Just use the image. You don't need permission. KMOS have far bigger problems anyway than worrying about another website with boingball on it.
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Posted by mjohnson on 02-Oct-2004 22:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Gabriele Favrin):
>Any other idea?

You have the following information on the trademarks available from the amigadev.net site:

http://www.amigadev.net/index.php?subpage=home&function=legal&file=tmusage
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Posted by gary_c on 03-Oct-2004 04:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Elwood):
I wonder when we'll distinguish Amiga users from MorphOS users. One day it will become necessary...
No flame please, I'm just wondering if/when we'll have two distinct communities. Should it happen ? Any objections behind it ?

As long as there are common elements, such as both using the same software applications (classic 68k apps), the two will still be the same community in some ways. If/when the platforms evolve to the point that there is nothing in common in terms of software applications, etc., then the two userbases will be distinct and, I guess, won't be the same community anymore. Until then, it's just denying reality to try to draw a line down the middle.

There's also the aspect of "heritage." People feel linked to something in the past, and feel this continues to keep them part of a community. This is the way it is for other things in life, so probably it also holds for computing. It's personal and subjective, though, so will probably always be argued about, unlike things that can be rationally categorized.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Jupp3 on 03-Oct-2004 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Elwood):
>I wonder when we'll distinguish Amiga users from MorphOS users.

Should the people using both AmigaOS (classic or 4.x) and MorphOS be split in two or what? :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Jupp3):
Uh-oh!!!

/me hides! :-)
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
It's a part of the "Powered by Amiga" trademark, use it at your own risk.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Gabriele Favrin):
See comment #4.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Jupp3):
Why? If you use both MorphOS and AmigaOS, you are both an Amiga user and a MorphOS user. What we are talking about here is making a distinction such as using MorphOS does not make you an Amiga user just like using AmigaOS does not make you a MorphOS user. One thing doesn't have to exclude the other, ok?
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Sammy Nordström):
> It's a part of the "Powered by Amiga" trademark, use it at your own risk.

Does that matter? The boingball came before the Powered by Amiga trademark.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (gary_c):
>If/when the platforms evolve to the point that there is nothing in common in
>terms of software applications, etc., then the two userbases will be distinct
>and, I guess, won't be the same community anymore. Until then, it's just
>denying reality to try to draw a line down the middle.

Well, I think saying that we are users of the same computer hardware and operating system with a common interest for the future is denying reality. The only thing we have in common is the ability to use old 68k AmigaOS3.x software, which would also be true for someone with WinUAE on their Windows PC. Everything else, including operating system, computer hardware and what we strive for in general is entirely different.

All of us wants to leave the old behind and advance the platform, all of us wants Amiga developers and users to move away from the old 68k to new modern hardware, but we're not pulling in the same direction, now are we? And no, we're NOT talking about two alternatives for the same computer platform, we're talking about two different computer platforms. There is no unified Amiga standard which would be the only thing that could truely give us the ability to choose freely. And no, the ability to run old AmigaOS3.x does NOT suffice as a standard that would unite us and give us the ability to choose freely between the alternatives, it's backwards compatibility and just the thing we're trying to move away from, now isn't it?
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
I don't know, ask a lawyer. All I know is that is a part of a registered trademark and if you want to use it without permission from the owner of the trademark, you're doing so at your own risk. If you're confident that you may use it however you like, go ahead.
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Posted by John Block on 03-Oct-2004 10:41 GMT
Probability is you would get a cease and desist letter if someone wants you to cease and desist.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Sammy Nordström):
Using OS4 doesn't make to the person an AmigaOS user, real AmigaOS is 3.x, the others are simply clones on different hardware, no custom chips, no 68k processor... Say that AmigaONE and OS4 are real amiga because of brand is pure shitty marketing. Both prodcuts available as new Amiga-like alternatives aren't amiga, only one of them has the name amiga not more...
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Sammy Nordström):
Couldn't you please JUST DROP you community splitting crusade and apartheid mantras? Please? I mean, if that is how you feel, couldn't you please keep it to yourself?
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Sure, if you keep your "we're all a happy bunch of like-minded Amiga enthusiasts" delusion to yourself.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
AmigaOS4 is AmigaOS, not only because it is branded so, but also because it is based on the real orginal AmigaOS source code. While the MorphOS team is reverse engineering the AmigaOS, Hyperion is "forwards" engineering it. There's quite a difference in modus operandi, both from a technical and from a philosophical point of view.

Question: Would you say MacOSX is MacOS or just a FreeBSD clone?
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Sammy Nordström):
We should drop AmigaOS and help the MorphOS team.
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Posted by Jupp3 on 03-Oct-2004 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Sammy Nordström):
>I don't know, ask a lawyer. All I know is that is a part of a registered trademark and if you want to use it without permission from the owner of the trademark, you're doing so at your own risk.

English word "by" is also part of the "Powered by Amiga" registered trademark, should we ask Amiga inc. if we may use it? :-)
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Posted by Jupp3 on 03-Oct-2004 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Sammy Nordström):
>Question: Would you say MacOSX is MacOS or just a FreeBSD clone?

I'd say it's mostly different operating system than earlier (9.x and before) operating systems. It does have at least some backwards compatibility, but in general it IS a lot different (but is it better or worse? Up to user to decide)

But it DOES have the trademark, so it IS MacOS.
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Sammy Nordström):
"Sure, if you keep your "we're all a happy bunch of like-minded Amiga enthusiasts" delusion to yourself."

News For You: Most of us ARE! Really! Not everyone care about the shitty politics, not at all! Many people are simply Amigans who like to have fun with their computers, in the "Amiga" way, like we always have, branded or not! But it's not very easy when you are trying so hard to kill it!
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Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2004 16:20 GMT
The Amiga logo usage guidelines said anyone can use it for noncommercial purposes as long as they stated the copyright. The notice is on MooBunny if you post a message, underneath the bunny. Just do what you like, but don't profit from the use.

Neko
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Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2004 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Neko):
Just to clarify; use the boing ball and then at the bottom of your site;

"The 'Boing ball' is a Registered Trade Mark of Amiga Inc."
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Posted by Dan Thaning on 03-Oct-2004 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Sammy Nordström):
Question: Would you say MacOSX is MacOS or just a FreeBSD clone?
Funny thing:
Pre-Jobs Mac-computers ran System x.x(System 7.5) after Jobs Mac computers run MacOS
Pre-sellout Amigas ran Workbench and AmigaDOS and had a Kickstart after sellout its AmigaOS

My guess is Longhorn will be named WindowsOS

But the ultimate name is ofcourse lOSer OS.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 04-Oct-2004 03:35 GMT
Shouldn't it be renamed to "Unpowered by Amiga" or something similar.. or just shortly "Underpowered" and a boingball aside it :)
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 04-Oct-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Sammy Nordström):
*****************************************
AmigaOS4 is AmigaOS, not only because it is branded so, but also because it is based on the real orginal AmigaOS source code. While the MorphOS team is reverse engineering the AmigaOS, Hyperion is "forwards" engineering it. There's quite a difference in modus operandi, both from a technical and from a philosophical point of view.
*****************************************

Your real name wouldn't be Shawn would it?

Tell me, what do you think of Zorro over PCI?
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Posted by John Block on 04-Oct-2004 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (hooligan/dcs):
My water bottle for the gym has a "powered by Amiga" sticker on it.
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Posted by Agima on 04-Oct-2004 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (John Block):
I hear DoomMaster's WANG has a "Power by Military Grade Amiga" logo tattooed on it.

No, I haven't seen it in person ;)
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 04-Oct-2004 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Matt Parsons):
My real first and last name is in my post. Zorro did the job quite well at it's time, nowadays it's obselete technology, I'm afraid.
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 04-Oct-2004 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Sammy Nordström):
Gah...! You're no Shawn... :-(
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Posted by kriz on 04-Oct-2004 20:28 GMT
haha but they act the same way...

negative and childish ramblings, not doing anything productive for the amiga scene (yes sammy) i mean amigaOs 1-4.x AND morphos AND WinUAE AND Aros ..

its all the same people, you get it soon man ???
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Posted by Joe on 04-Oct-2004 21:43 GMT
I remember some wanker at Amiga Inc shouting "Get legal or get shutdown" because people was using the BoingBall and other Amiga logos.
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Posted by Bored on 05-Oct-2004 00:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Gabriele Favrin):
Gabriele,

What did you expect from such a vacuous post?

Inciting the trolls to action? Slow week at MOS, yes?

You nerds really should get a life.
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Posted by Bobsonsirjonny on 05-Oct-2004 06:54 GMT
Amiga Inc are the greatest company the Amiga name will ever have, ignore the blue scum.
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 05-Oct-2004 07:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Bobsonsirjonny):
You're not bobson.
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Posted by Bobson on 05-Oct-2004 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Peter Gordon):
FUCK YOU PETER YOU KIDDIE FIDDLER.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 07-Oct-2004 04:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (kriz):
>negative and childish ramblings, not doing anything productive for the amiga
>scene (yes sammy) i mean amigaOs 1-4.x AND morphos AND WinUAE AND Aros ..

Maybe I'm not productive, but I am a consumer. Surely you are not saying that we Amiga consumers are not important for this community?
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Posted by hammer on 10-Oct-2004 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Dan Thaning):
Windows code names are nothing new i.e. Windows Chicago refers MS Windows 95. Note that Windows Longhorn identifies itself as MS Windows 6.0. Refer to Windows Anvil example for the earlier MS Windows XP/Server 2003 for X64 ISA enabled processors.
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