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[Web] Freescale now also a reseller(!) of Pegasos Open Desktop WorkstationsANN.lu
Posted on 13-Oct-2004 13:53 GMT by takemehomegrandma36 comments
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The OpenDesktopWorkstation is now available for ordering directly through Freescale! It got the product number: PPC G4 0001.

The Open Desktop Workstation is configured based on selected OpenFirmware (IEEE1275) with Debian, Yellow Dog Linux and MorphOS (non-Unix OS based the Genesi Quark microkernel). An extensive application and tool suite is included with each operating system. The ODW can be used to natively build Linux kernels, root file systems, and applications. It includes attendant collateral documents and source code. The Linux kernel, root file system, and applications can also be loaded onto any target system that supports DINK32 or U-Boot. MorphOS is non-Unix based operating system and targeted at television based consumer electronics devices.

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=PPCG40001&parentCode=MPC7447

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Posted by Anonymous (81.29.32.150) on 13-Oct-2004 12:06 GMT
>MorphOS is non-Unix based operating system and targeted at television
>based consumer electronics devices

How to connect to television ? tv-out isnt supported.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 13-Oct-2004 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
I too miss TV out support for Radeon graphic cards. It could be added though! ;-)
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 13-Oct-2004 12:14 GMT
"The Linux kernel, root file system, and applications can also be loaded onto any target system that supports DINK32 or U-Boot."

I know U-Boot, but what the hell is DINK32?
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 13-Oct-2004 12:16 GMT
This one is interesting: " MorphOS is non-Unix based operating system and targeted at television based consumer electronics devices ".

Is this quote coming directly from Bill Buck (and his Viscorp Set top box debacle) ?

So the PegasosII's destiny is a TV based Consumer electronic device?

Or do they mean "Home computer"? In that case it's a little confusing desciption.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 13-Oct-2004 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amon_Re):
> what the hell is DINK32?

That would be the modern edition of the old Nintendo hit "Donkey Kong" ... :-P
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Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 13-Oct-2004 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
I think it mean that your own imagination is the only limit! :-P

Anyway, the current Pegasos model, and the flora of any future design that might materialize (or not) during the upcoming year or so, could certainly be used in all thinkable ways. I think you know perfectly well what AmigaOS/MorphOS strenghts and weaknesses are. When Linux is not suitable, use MorphOS. When MorphOS is not suitable, use Linux. Use the application and its needs as a starting point, and put together a solution based on that, with a selection of hardware, OS and programs to suit you the most. ;-)
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Posted by Trizt (82.182.110.161) on 13-Oct-2004 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Amon_Re):
Seems to be a "debuging" tool made by freescale, for more information, check

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=DINK32&parentCode=MPC7447A
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Posted by Anonymous (80.236.95.54) on 13-Oct-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Setup your permedia, voodoo, radeon or whatever to output the right screenmode, use the right adapter and plug the whole on your tv. That always worked.
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Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 13-Oct-2004 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
You have no TV-out today, but that just means you're not using a television based consumer electronics device running MorphOS.

Do you get it? :)

Neko
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Posted by Turambar (213.218.195.151) on 13-Oct-2004 16:38 GMT
Erm i may have missed something here but where does it say Freescale are selling these directly? For a start it doesnt appear to be available to order and when it is i suspect it'll link to another page (genesi page perhaps?), this just means freescale are advertising a product which uses their processor it doesnt make them a reseller. Of course if i have missed something feel free to correct me.
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 13-Oct-2004 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Turambar):
You are of course correct that Freescale is not in the reselling business, but are developers and manufacturers of CPU's etc. The title of the post is perhaps not 100% correct, only 90% or so. You can however order this PPCG40001 product THROUGH Freescale. I have no idea of how this is being (or will be when its finished?) processed internally, if it shipped from a stock at Freescale, or if the order is transferred to Genesi. Perhaps it is not 100% worked out right now but in the goings. It doesn't really matter. As you see a few posts down, in the Terrasoft thread, they have really embraced the Pegasos. According to BBRV, there is not a single Freescale office througout the world that doesn't have at least one Pegasos at site. They are promoting it in their contacts with CPU customers and other potential buyers. The Pegasos had a prominent position in the SNDF Europe event, with a lot of focus. Freescale are sponsoring the Pilot programmes with a lot of machines, of which we just have seen the first three or so taking off. A lot more is coming. They are sponsoring some 100 developers with complete Open Desktop Workstations. Put all this together, and it will certainly count for something, don't you agree?

;-)
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Posted by MarkTime (67.106.203.98) on 13-Oct-2004 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
I agree it will count for something...I don't agree you can buy one of these from freescale. Maybe that will change tomorrow, but the page doesn't work today. Until it happens, it hasn't happened...

lets report it as news, when it is news...if that news comes tomorrow, great, will be glad to hear it....in the meanwhile, you cannot buy anything from that page...it would be great to have a site, any site, that is not an amiga-dealer pre-selling something they don't have in stock...but is a real respectable company offering this for sale.

I cannot wait...or, well to be more accurate, I can wait...but hope to not wait much longer.
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Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 13-Oct-2004 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Trizt):
Thx
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Posted by agima (Registered user) on 14-Oct-2004 00:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
>>The title of the post is perhaps not 100% correct, only 90% or so.


"Freescale now also a reseller..."


So at the moment they are not a 'Reseller" nor does anyone have any information that they ever will be? I'd say it's a lot less that 90% correct then, more like 0%.

"...Put all this together, and it will certainly count for something, don't you agree?"

That I can aggree with. Very good for the MorphOS/Peg team to be getting so much help/interest from Freescale.
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Posted by Anonymous (68.230.127.130) on 14-Oct-2004 02:43 GMT
>DINK32 or U-Boot.

That's so funny, isn't it? Yet these people are so proud on their OpenFirmware and then they realise, it doesn't play any role in the embedded world...damn...
(har har har)
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Posted by Anonymous (82.141.48.133) on 14-Oct-2004 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (MarkTime):
You cannot buy CPUs from their page either...
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Posted by Anonymous (82.141.48.133) on 14-Oct-2004 05:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Sony for sure was happy about OpenFirmware, so it counts in the _commercial_ market alright.
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 14-Oct-2004 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Open firmware is great, but on the Pegasos, the limitations are few and you can use whatever choice of firmware, CPU, OS, and applications you want, and you can use it as a thin client or stack them up in a cluster server, and everything there is in between. The customer gets wat the customer wants. Agima, if I want an Amiga One with G4 and open firmware, running Debian Linux 2.6.8 flawlessly, will Eyetech be able to provide me with one?
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.148.183) on 14-Oct-2004 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
> That's so funny, isn't it? Yet these people are so proud on their OpenFirmware and then they realise, it doesn't play any role in the embedded world...damn... (har har har)

Hmm, is that the mad laughter of Alan? Don't be so bitter, bitter is not sexy ;)
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Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 14-Oct-2004 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
We have a reseller agreement with Freescale.

Yes, they *ARE* reselling them.

Neko
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Posted by Andrea Maniero (147.162.2.222) on 14-Oct-2004 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Neko):
Neko, don't worry. The Freescale page is now updated with price and an "Order Now" link. Noone can whine now...

Kind regards,
Andrea
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Posted by Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert (213.112.198.98) on 14-Oct-2004 13:04 GMT
ouch, the price, guess Genesi will make some money on those =P
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Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 14-Oct-2004 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert):
Except it's not expensive.

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=PPCEVAL-SP3-7447&parentCode=MPC7447

Check the price on that.. check the features it has. Look at the Pegasos.
Smaller. Has all the modern ports you'd expect like USB and Firewire and even two ethernet ports one of which is Gigabit. DDR RAM. ATA100 rather than ATA33. An AGP slot, which we populate (no need to buy crappy 8MB PCI cards anymore from the bargain bin of your local parts store..). Audio output. Nice big hard disk and a DVD drive so you can load your software into it..

.. and a BLOODY nice case (compare - http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=SANDPOINTX3&parentCode=MPC7447)

.. for nearly only a third of the price of the Freescale Sandpoint?

You're telling me that's expensive, eh? :)

Neko
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Posted by Anonymous (82.141.49.55) on 14-Oct-2004 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Neko):
>You're telling me that's expensive, eh? :)

It is allowed to be more expensive because it comes with a CPU that is nearly 40% faster than Pegasos.
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Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 14-Oct-2004 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
You'd pay $1900 for 300MHz while removing USB, Firewire, Ethernet, audio, the graphics card, hard disk, DVD drive, OpenFirmware, and all the Linux support?

Hell, just pay me $1900 now and I will ship you a 300MHz processor with no peripherals.

Neko
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Posted by Anonymous (82.141.49.55) on 14-Oct-2004 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Neko):
>Hell, just pay me $1900 now and I will ship you a 300MHz processor with no peripherals.

No, thanks.
For $1900 I can have a deluxe 3000MHz Pentium 4 system instead of your 300MHz PPC offering.

Also be aware the Sandpoint is classified as "Tested Packaged Module/Misc Hardware" while yours remains an "Untested Packaged Device" which you do not get the schematics for - or has this changed lately?
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Posted by agima (Registered user) on 14-Oct-2004 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
>>>The customer gets wat the customer wants. Agima, if I want an Amiga One with G4 and open firmware, running Debian Linux 2.6.8 flawlessly, will Eyetech be able to provide me with one?


I'm sure they could for the right price. So if the customer gets what the customer wants and I want a 1963 23 Windows VW Bus with canvas convertible top, safari windows, and converted to 12 volts would Genesi be able to provide me one? I'm sure at the right price they would.
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.144.196) on 14-Oct-2004 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
> For $1900 I can have a deluxe 3000MHz Pentium 4 system instead of your 300MHz PPC offering

Nice sarcasm but ultimately pointless: the "deluxe 3000 MHz system" will not run modern Amiga software at the same speed as his bloody low end Pegasos 2 with a PPC-native OS ;) Maybe you don't care about Amiga software and the excitement to participate in the development of a new platform is not your thing ... but then why are you here?
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Posted by Anonymous (80.133.144.196) on 14-Oct-2004 16:06 GMT
> and a BLOODY nice case (compare

It looks like a smaller version of the A3000 case (I think I'll apply beige spray paint to the front brezel when mine arrives). Fortunately, it's also cheap, in the 50-60 EUR range.
http://images.genesi.lu/galleries/ecs_austin/DSCN1891.JPG
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Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 14-Oct-2004 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Well "tested/packaged" just means Freescale didn't test it personally. This is due to the way the resale agreement works. We do test and build all Pegasos and ODW systems with the highest level of quality control.

You don't get the Gerber files with it, but uh.. why do you need them? They're there for Sandpoint to show how it's done, but you don't really see people generating new designs using Sandpoint as a starting block. If you are in the market of mass producing motherboards at low cost to consumers, you are free to ask for the things and negotiate royalties.

Otherwise, please tell us why you need the design files for the board :D

Neko
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Posted by Anonymous (82.141.49.55) on 14-Oct-2004 19:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Neko):
I just thought I could also pull a thing like this G5 guy... :-7
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Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 14-Oct-2004 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
ROTFLMAO!

We'll tell you how much he Pegasos designs cost, and you can use my PayPal
account to collect donations, okay? I promise I won't stiff you :)

Neko
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Posted by Johan "Hagge" Krüger-Haglert (194.103.205.27) on 15-Oct-2004 02:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Neko):
"You're telling me that's expensive, eh? :)"

Yes, a little althought the other one is even more expensive.
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Posted by gary_c (220.111.149.28) on 15-Oct-2004 05:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (agima):
>>>The customer gets wat the customer wants. Agima, if I want an Amiga One with G4 and open firmware, running Debian Linux 2.6.8 flawlessly, will Eyetech be able to provide me with one?

I'm sure they could for the right price....


And what price (and time frame) would that be? "For the right price" is nice for fantasies but usually won't fly in the real world. I think the point is that the Pegasos can be bought and delivered right now (and not only from Genesi and "amiga-market" resellers but from companies like Freescale and MySQL AB). Eyetech doesn't have either the product availability or the industry connections to match, at least at this point in time. This is so obvious I don't know why any Eyetech fan would want to make painful comparisons.

-- gary_c
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Posted by coldfire (166.102.53.1) on 15-Oct-2004 22:00 GMT
Was that 3,330.OO dollars?????

Damn. To hell with comparing it to X86 Hardware...you can buy G5 Macs cheaper!
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Posted by magnetic (80.177.236.66) on 16-Oct-2004 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (coldfire):
For the Sandpoint, yes.

Neko
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