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Posted on 22-Oct-2004 20:41 GMT by 102 comments
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http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2004-10-00131-DE.html for an english translation: "due to absolutely unsatisfactory co-operation on the part of Genesi and disregard of a contract within one period from now meanwhile scarcely 16 months, it is to be supported us unfortunately not possible the Pegasos and thus particularly MorphOS regarding an adapted version from AmiATLAS to.

This applies accordingly also to all other projects e.g. OctaMed Soundstudio or XiPaint. Our emphasis will be thus logically AmigaOne and/or AmigaOS4. We regret it, however the past process does not lie in our hand. Nevertheless all MorphOS Usern for the future much fun with the system!

AmiATLAS development team, Gerd frank

KMOS paid him to work on OS4 projects only! Eyetech gave him a FREE AmigaTeron. Hyperion gave him a FREE OS4 kit.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 1 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Someone (67.124.61.228) on 22-Oct-2004 18:59 GMT
Wise choice!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 2 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 19:07 GMT
Please, we don't need crap like this poluting ann.lu

Let Gerd Frank speak for himself.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 3 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 22-Oct-2004 19:15 GMT
I see, so getting a free machine means you 'sell out' - is that it? I seem to recall a number of free machines coming from the Genesi side.. is that selling out too?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 4 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Darth_X):
I tought he did?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 5 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Bowser (65.110.6.34) on 22-Oct-2004 19:16 GMT
So Kmos/eyetech/Hyperion are accomplishing what Gensei set out to do, support the developers properly with some cash, free hardware and software?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 6 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Bill (216.27.180.97) on 22-Oct-2004 19:19 GMT
Wow, I hope it's true that he actually got money from KMOS, I wonder if they tossed in a shirt too :)

Bill Borsari
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 7 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 22-Oct-2004 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Bowser):
Personally I don't belive that this translation and analysis would not be 100% accurate.. But.. If they (Hyperion+Eyetech) have finally started to support developers .. It's a move to right direction.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 8 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amon_Re):
I meant that Gerd Frank should post any announcement, we shouldn't have to put up with posts from some anonymous lamer.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 9 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Darth_X):
I'm not good at German, but my understanding of the page on amiganews-de is that he effectively said those things himself (the ones about the bad cooperation between him & genesi), i don't know about the KMOS thingie tho
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 10 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (84.31.106.227) on 22-Oct-2004 20:53 GMT
Genesi not paying developers, despite an agreement... again...? What a suprise.

Or could it be the strategy of Bill Buck. At first he focussed on the Amiga community, but then the community, apart from some blue supporters, made him very clear that they don't want him. In the meantime he made some agreements with "strategic" Amiga developers.
Now his focus is on Linux and in order to get rid of the Amiga developers who he doesn't need anymore, he simply doesn't pay them.

I think that MorphOS users should be very nervous about the future of their beloved OS.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 11 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 20:59 GMT
"KMOS paid him to work on OS4 projects only! Eyetech gave him a FREE AmigaTeron. Hyperion gave him a FREE OS4 kit."

That sentence is not in the original announcement and has presumably been invented by "GMT". IMO it is very unlikely to be true.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 12 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.133.128.118) on 22-Oct-2004 21:08 GMT
Would you people please stop to instrumentalize such incidents for your own cause? It's sickening to see the usual crowd of vultures landing. Please turn it into a death match and kill each other. For good.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 13 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll (202.4.40.2) on 22-Oct-2004 21:25 GMT
A port of Octamed Sound Studio is still on the cards then eh? Sounds good for OS4 guys at least.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 14 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (64.134.107.238) on 22-Oct-2004 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
I think that OS 4.0 users should be very nervous about the future of their beloved 84.31.106.227, a.k.a. pietje puk ;-)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 15 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
Joanna, we always supported developers, we just didn't make such a big fuss about it.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 16 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden (217.84.164.210) on 22-Oct-2004 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
> IMO it is very unlikely to be true.

Gerd Frank is one of our beta testers, and as such as access to the latest Beta and developer material for OS 4 anyway. He wouldn't need to given "a FREE OS4 KIT".
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 17 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 22:08 GMT
The last paragraph:

> KMOS paid him to work on OS4 projects only! Eyetech gave him a FREE
> AmigaTeron. Hyperion gave him a FREE OS4 kit.

is *not* part of the news item posted at amiga-news.de. Could the moderators please remove that? Thanks.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 18 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by spotUP (81.226.152.12) on 22-Oct-2004 22:32 GMT
AmiAtlas ain't that intresting for me personally, but I sure would dig an AOS4 version of Octamed. =) First Protracker, then Dopus Mangellan, and now Octamed. I like it, I like it! Now, where's that PPaint update? :)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 19 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by piccadilly circus (66.144.5.25) on 22-Oct-2004 22:32 GMT
Cool! Sounds very good. What is AmiAtlas by the way? I buy it when AmiAtlas is released!!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 20 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 22-Oct-2004 22:40 GMT
Mhh... so there is no MorphOS version of AmiAtlas? My german is rusty, but what is Genesi influence in this? They were paid to port AmiAtlas to MorphOS but were never paid, or?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 21 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by agima (Registered user) on 22-Oct-2004 22:42 GMT
"KMOS paid him to work on OS4 projects only!"


Why would you expect KMOS to pay him for a MorphOS port?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 22 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Golem (195.249.184.11) on 22-Oct-2004 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (itix):
They promised him a Pegasos board, he never received it.

From OctaMED-Amiga on Yahoo! Groups:

"I have a contract with Genesi for a Pegasos because of a deal with AmiATLAS.
By now I wait since june 2003 for this board... No more hope...
And these guys already know about my plans, seems there is no interest.
So A1/OS4 is the only and right choice for me!"
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 23 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 22-Oct-2004 23:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Golem):
Mmh... so case looks like this: AmiAtlas developer had an AmigaOne and was porting AmiAtlas to A1 anyway. Genesi promised Pegasos board and AmiAtlas developer promised to port AmiAtlas to Pegasos (MorphOS). But because he never got Pegasos he is not going to port AmiAtlas to MorphOS. So... unless there was an exclusive MorphOS port deal or anything similar to that I dont see big fuss here... Only outcome is that there is no MorphOS native AmiAtlas port? As I see news item is trying to hint KMOS paid for an OS4 port, but as I see it is not true?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 24 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 22-Oct-2004 23:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (itix):
OTOH it is shame he never got free board... it is not nice that devs are promised to get free board and then they wait for freebies forever.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 25 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Buck Futter (69.158.17.227) on 23-Oct-2004 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (spotUP):
"Now, where's that PPaint update?"

PERSONAL PAINT 7.1 FOR AmigaOS 4.0

Seattle (January 6, 2004) - Amiga Inc. and Cloanto are delighted to announce that Personal Paint 7.1 will be available on the upcoming AmigaOS 4.0 operating system.

The Personal Paint series of 2D graphics and animations applications has been a mainstay of the application base for the Amiga platform ever since its introduction in 1992 and it is also a star attraction of the Cloanto Amiga Forever package. As Cloanto considers a new version of the product for AmigaOS 4.0, it has decided to show its commitment to the Amiga platform and community by making the source code of the current version available to Amiga Inc., allowing them to create a PowerPC native version for the upcoming AmigaOS 4.0 product. The created binaries will be owned by Cloanto but will be made available for free download from the Amiga and Cloanto web sites.

Cloanto and Amiga are also in talks concerning a new version of Amiga Forever, as well as a special version of Amiga Forever for AmigaOS 4.0, which aims to provide chipset-level Classic Amiga compatibility integrated with the new generation Amiga operating system and hardware.

http://os.amiga.com/corporate/010604-cloanto.shtml

I here it will be ready in two more weeks...
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 26 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Ron Jeremy (216.127.68.137) on 23-Oct-2004 02:18 GMT
Am I the only one here who finds it fkucing odd a company will give away freebies and kickbacks to 3rd party developers but refuses to pay court ordered settlements or ship long 3year due products?

Say after me, crooks!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 27 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (82.141.53.46) on 23-Oct-2004 02:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Buck Futter):
Amiga Inc. still exists?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 28 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 23-Oct-2004 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
yes, same clowns still around
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 29 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c (218.45.75.91) on 23-Oct-2004 03:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Genesi not paying developers, despite an agreement... again...? What a suprise.

Lame post by somebody trying to distort the information ... again? What a surprise. -- No pay is involved. The "contract" is said to be an agreement to get a free board as support for the application port, like the many boards give for free by Genesi to others.

Or could it be the strategy of Bill Buck. . . . Now his focus is on Linux and in order to get rid of the Amiga developers who he doesn't need anymore, he simply doesn't pay them.

Again, you demonstrate your confusion. Try to get clear on this. In any case, if the guy was waiting for a Pegasos, he should have signed up for Freescale's developer support program and gotten a complete Pegasos *system* that way. The offer was open for a couple of months and this developer would have qualified. If he didn't try this, it seems maybe he had already made up his mind about the MorphOS platform or maybe we haven't heard his real reasons. The Freescale offer was to developers for the Pegasos PowerPC platform, not limited to Linux.

I think that MorphOS users should be very nervous about the future of their beloved OS.

Based on this? Nah. The long wait for 1.5 is more irritating than the choice of one would-be developer.

Anyway, if AOS application developers are finally getting support via hardware donations, then they're finally getting what Genesi and now Freescale have been making available (albeit with exceptions/delays in some cases) for many months now. But as the delay in the AOS PageStream version shows (for example), there still doesn't seem to be a real hardware support program for Amiga developers outside of AOS beta testers. What was your point again?

-- gary_c
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 30 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 23-Oct-2004 04:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
Garry Hare isn't a clown, he is a giant invisible bunny rabbit!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 31 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re (Registered user) on 23-Oct-2004 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
WTF are you talking about?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 32 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by megol (130.240.196.54) on 23-Oct-2004 05:49 GMT
Perhaps the title of the thread should be changed? It seems a little bit like trolling now IMHO...
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 33 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Argo (24.58.136.28) on 23-Oct-2004 06:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
You've been playing the Sims 2 far too much.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 34 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden (217.84.172.211) on 23-Oct-2004 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Ron Jeremy):
> Am I the only one here who finds it fkucing odd a company will give away
> freebies and kickbacks to 3rd party developers but refuses to pay court ordered
> settlements or ship long 3year due products?

As has been said before, the KMOS part was an invention of the person that posted the news item here. I don't know what happened there, but there is no proof that someone paid someone - it's pure speculation.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 35 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.133.139.245) on 23-Oct-2004 08:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> but there is no proof that someone paid someone

That sounds like a true politician ;)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 36 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden (217.84.172.211) on 23-Oct-2004 08:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (gary_c):
> if AOS application developers are finally getting support via hardware
> donations

Hyperion does not manufacture hardware, and as such, we're not giving out free hardware. We do, however, have active developer support (including regular updates of the SDK with up-to-date compilers and tools).

> What was your point again?

What is yours? The poster didn't say anything about Hyperion, Eyetech or Amiga. It would be only natural, I guess, to concentrate on disproving the points he made. Your cheap slab at AmigaOS 4 was uncalled for, and only demonstrates your inability to argue in an orderly manner. All you can do is try to get the discussion away from (obviously very real) existing problems by trying to target the opposition again.

Very lame.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 37 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden (217.84.172.211) on 23-Oct-2004 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
> That sounds like a true politician ;)

It just wants to point out that calling someone "crooks" is rather unfair if you have nothing but hearsay to back you up.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 38 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (84.31.106.227) on 23-Oct-2004 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Ok Ok I know this is Wrongpla.net still, but for once I traced an IP. And Mister Buck everbody knows that you are ...esr.aus.wayport.net. So why not include BBRV as your name. We're not going anonymous are we?

But rest asured I've got a great legal insurance. Becaue you'll never know when a courtcase happy american shows up at your doorstep. ;-)

Please be kind and respond to my comment on applelinks.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 39 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (84.31.106.227) on 23-Oct-2004 08:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
wronpla.net still = wrongpla.net style
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 40 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 23-Oct-2004 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
The original post has also been edited.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 41 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo (217.81.237.253) on 23-Oct-2004 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Quoting yourself: "Oh no, the IP trace kiddie is back!!"

Jan, it is nice to see you joined us - to quote yourself - "retards" "to show what a "lesser being" you really are".

Well done Mr. de Vries! :-)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 42 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 23-Oct-2004 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Are you Ben Hermans?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 43 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 23-Oct-2004 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Tryo):
Who is Jan de Vries?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 44 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (84.31.106.227) on 23-Oct-2004 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Tryo):
LOL!! Well...I guess I should have seen that one comming ;-)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 45 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (84.31.106.227) on 23-Oct-2004 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
ONe of my many alter ego's ;-)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 46 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 23-Oct-2004 09:28 GMT
Frank was promised Pegasos in November 2002, in july 2003 he still hadnt got it, and now that we are turning to 2005 he decided that he has had enough?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 47 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Nixon (217.157.142.72) on 23-Oct-2004 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
I am not a crook!

;)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 48 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c (218.231.169.208) on 23-Oct-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> if AOS application developers are finally getting support via hardware
> donations

Hyperion does not manufacture hardware, and as such, we're not giving out free hardware. We do, however, have active developer support (including regular updates of the SDK with up-to-date compilers and tools).


That's fine. But that apparently wasn't the issue with this developer. He's upset because he didn't get free Genesi hardware.

> What was your point again?

What is yours? The poster didn't say anything about Hyperion, Eyetech or Amiga. It would be only natural, I guess, to concentrate on disproving the points he made. Your cheap slab at AmigaOS 4 was uncalled for, and only demonstrates your inability to argue in an orderly manner. All you can do is try to get the discussion away from (obviously very real) existing problems by trying to target the opposition again.


I'm sorry you interpreted my words that way. The Amiga market was brought up by the person I was replying to, not by me. My point was that in fact Genesi and later Freescale have given *many* developers free boards or systems. As you can see, I *did* address the poster's point; I did not try to deflect the argument.

I realize that Hyperion doesn't manufacture hardware and so it can't give any to developers. I didn't say it's *Hyperion's* responsibility to do this, so don't respond defensively to an accusation I didn't make. However, Hyperion is building a platform in cooperation with partners, one of which *is* a hardware supplier, so *your partnership* theoretically could supply boards to key developers in the same way that Genesi has done independently and with Freescale's support. I mentioned Pagestream because I understand the AmigaOS4 version is delayed because the developer doesn't have an AmigaOne. This is a real problem, stated simply to show the problem exists for both platforms. I was only trying to respond to the poster's points and put this situation in context. No cheap slap was intended.

Very lame.

My points are valid, as far as I can tell.

-- gary_c
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 49 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 23-Oct-2004 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
Oh, so *you are* Ben Hermans? :-P

That was a joke of course, but which "normal mortal", not counting lawyers, would even think of getting himself a great legal insurance anyway?
;-)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 50 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 23-Oct-2004 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Nixon):
LOL! :-)
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