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Posted on 30-Jul-2000 05:19 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä59 comments
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The following news tidbits are coming straight from the mouth of Bill McEwen, courtesy of UGN's live audio feed from the show:

The AmigaOne is currently targeted at a December (this year, I should add) release. It's based on Amiga's own customized motherboard design, using off-the-shelf parts. Amiga are putting up a hardware division, lead by Dean Brown, to create custom hardware designs for various devices that will be then offered to 3rd parties to manufacture.

The SDK is selling better than forecasted. Amiga have been in contact with numerous major consumer electronics and software companies, including (straight quote) "every major gaming company out there". Many of these already possess the SDK. Interest from major companies particularly picked up after Bill's two recent TV appearances.

A version of the SDK for Windows will be made available next month.

Red Hat will start selling the SDK next week. Also Sun have started using Amiga software to demo Java stuff.

There are going to be public beta releases of the OE prior to release.

There is going to be an Amiga IPO.

Paul Nolan is now doing contract work for Amiga.

More on the license issues: No software developers will be forced to pay royalties. Voluntarily, they can sign up for a certification program, which will give their products an official Amiga "badge" and the chance to have their product marketed by Amiga themselves. This will cost them $1.50 per sold item.

Amiga will start offering low-cost promotional merchandise to user groups.

At the show, Amiga were showing off an ARM-based touchscreen unit, running the new OE. The design is by none other than Mick Tinker, and it's not being sold commercially yet.

Backwards compatibility to the Classic Amiga from the new OE will be dealt with by something that "is not an emulator".

Amiwest news : Comment 51 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Time Will Tell on 31-Jul-2000 22:00 GMT
I attended the show, talked to everybody and anybody, and attended the banquet.
If you think that you are optimistic about the news, I will tell you that I am
Elated.
> First the above comments by Bill have been characterized accurately.
> There was more in the way of some fairly impressive Demos showing accross the
board compatability.
>AT this point I am conviced that the new system will have everything we like
and everything we wish we had.
> Not from Bill, but from my own very unofficial investigations, Softlogic and
and Nova are coming along. I will be surprised if anything we really want
doesn't.
> About the Boxer, Joe Torre held a seminar on their progress and direction.
He is very bright and forthcoming. This definitely appears to be the path of the
"Classic Amiga", but it isn't going to have custom chips either. And the long
term goal calls for an abandonment of the 68x altogether. This machine is NOT
even in Beta yet. This does not appear to have ANYTHING to do with Amiga One.
> It is impossible to forecast how the rest of the computer world is going to
react and therefore Amiga's overall impact on computerdom, but I AM SURE that we
are going to really like this OS, but then again only TIME WILL TELL
Amiwest news : Comment 52 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by cynic on 31-Jul-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Nils Mokleiv):
>The Boxer and AmigaOne is propably the same thing. Thats how they will manage >to get classic support without emulation. You just run AmigaClassic OS on the >Boxer/AmigaOne, and then a hosted version of AmigaNG. How about that?
I think you over-estimate the relationship between AI and AG. One is a real company, the other is not. (For those of you too aloof to tell, AI is the real company.)
Amiwest news : Comment 53 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Jul-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Time Will Tell):
>[...] but it isn't going to have custom chips either.
Do you mean it lacks the old AGA chips? If so, then it's not any news.
> And the long term goal calls for an abandonment of the 68x altogether.
Even the actual BoXeR will be able to work without the 68K.
>This machine is NOT even in Beta yet.
Beta-test could naturally be done if once all the HW works... (Last I heard the display logic has some holes.)
Amiwest news : Comment 54 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Coward on 31-Jul-2000 22:00 GMT
For all of those speculating about the AmigaOne, hop on over to McEwen's response to the licensing snafu:
http://www.amiga.com/corporate/071800-mcewen.shtml
You will note that we have *already* been told that "The announced AmigaOne will feature processor options ranging from 600 Mhz to 1 Ghz."
Now, before we speculate too much, and guess that Amiga is placing their bets on the BoXeR, let's try to imagine what sort of processor this beast could have. I am *not* familiar with the clock speeds that IBM G3s/Motorola G4s run at, but what this initially springs to mind is the (*gasp*) AMD line. The Duron runs from 600MHz and up, the Athlon is currently at 1GHz (according to Pricewatch)... The Duron is disgustingly fast and a great deal right now.
Another (related) possibility is the Alpha, which Bill's said he liked in another interview. It seems to cover the 600MHz-1GHz territory as well. Alpha systems seem incredibly expensive (we're talking Apple's price range, here), but the AmigaOne *is* supposed to be more of a flagship than anything else, and the performance would whip anything else in the consumer marketplace at the moment.
Let's try to narrow things down based on those clock figures before we start any delicious conspiracy theories...
-Hot Grits!
Amiwest news : Comment 55 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Jul-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous Coward):
*IMHO*, the BoXeR is not restricted to the PPC's... (Hence the CPU-specific side of their custom bridge sits on the CPU-module.) Though, I don't think the above 'relation' is true.
Amiwest news : Comment 56 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by D. Salomon on 01-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Johan Rönnblom):
Chris Roccati wrote:
:: Isn't the JTE java engine the fastest JVM in the world?
:Arguably, at least it's fast. What does that have to do with anything?
:: Besides, do you think that someone is going to program in VP
:: assembler?
:Why not? Assembler is not particularly difficult, especially if you
:already know a few of them. The bulk of the code will of course be
:written in C.
So you believe. However, VP assembler is highly resemblant of C (while maintaining all the power, if not more, of native machine laguage.) An example of the tremendows similarity between C and VP: the game "Quake" was fully ported from C to VP in a few hours (under three, I believe.) Doom was fully ported in 15 minutes. Many SDK developers were at first completely against doing anything in C, but, after realizing its simplicity and extremely short learning curve, are now coding in VP. One programmer who had not touched asembler for 5 years, and was initially imposed by the thought of using it again, was able to get into VP code in under ten minutes.
Amiwest news : Comment 57 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Jamie on 01-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous Coward):
Exactly what I was thinking! G3/G4 doesn't seem to go above 500MHz at the moment so I reckon it's down to Alpha or AMD. In an ideal world, I'd like a G4 but this doesn't look like it's gonna happen. So I think i'd prefer an AMD. I don't like x68 stuff very much but it is pretty fast, cheap and wouldn't be as hard to program if you were using VP instead of assembler.
Bill seems to like alpha though but I hope this is a personal preferance and not a company one. I think we need a 'cheap' computer right now and build a all-conquring (but expensive) Alpha machine when more AmigaONE machines have been sold.
Cheers
Amiwest news : Comment 58 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by D. Salomon on 01-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (D. Salomon):
>> So you believe. However, VP assembler is highly resemblant of C(while
>> maintaining all the power, if not more, of native machine laguage.) An
>> example of the tremendows similarity between C and VP: the game "Quake" was
>> fully ported from C to VP in a few hours (under three, I believe.) Doom was
>> fully ported in 15 minutes. Many SDK developers were at first completely
>> against doing anything in C, but, after realizing its simplicity and
>> extremely short learning curve, are now coding in VP. One programmer who had
>> not touched asembler for 5 years, and was initially imposed by the thought
>> of using it again, was able to get into VP code in under ten minutes.
Excuse me, I made a typo in my above message of mine (it was after 1:00am when I wrote it.) When I stated that "many developers were at first completely against doing anything in C," I meant to say that "many developers were at first against doing anything in VP." In other words, they wanted to program primarily in C, but, after finding VP so simple, decided to do the bulk of their code in VP. In other words, VP is as easy or easier than C.
Amiwest news : Comment 59 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Bill "tekmage" Borsari on 01-Aug-2000 22:00 GMT
Hello, I have the audio files and they seam to be intact. As soon as I get some software to edit them (Like AudioLabs ProStation Audio....)I'll have them on ugn.amiga.org. The webcam images are currently in the correct name format so when I get home tonight I can make them an mpeg. Keep checking ugn.amiga.org for updates, I do have some more still to post and I will relayout the opening page to make more sence.
Thank you EVERYONE who attended the UGN audio broadcast and irc.
Bill Borsari
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