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[News] Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardwareANN.lu
Posted on 25-May-2002 20:50 GMT by Seehund187 comments
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There's a petition aimed at Amiga Inc. set up at http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/ for all those who disagree with Amiga Inc's presented plans regarding compulsory OS/hardware bundling and licensing. An excerpt from the petition:

On April 12th, 2002, you, Amiga Inc., published your plans regarding distribution policies for the forthcoming AmigaOS4 in an "Executive Update" on your web site.

In short, what you say and what we the undersigned object against is this:

* Any hardware capable of running AmigaOS must first be modified with "AmigaOS specific extensions" to its "boot ROM" in order to be allowed to run AmigaOS.

* Such hardware and its distributors must be approved and licensed by Amiga Inc. and the hardware distributors must also sell and support AmigaOS4.

* AmigaOS will only be available bundled with such hardware.

We think that the above will seriously hurt AmigaOS users, the POP/PPC hardware market and thus ultimately you, Amiga Inc., yourselves.
To read the entire petition and sign it, please click here.

Before those imagining sides, factions, camps and personal enemies everywhere start commenting, it must be emphasised that this poll is not intended to "promote" anything else than the success of AmigaOS, the POP/PPC hardware market, free choice and ethical business practices.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 51 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 26-May-2002 10:04 GMT
>6. darklite DIE AMIGA!!! MORPHOS 0Wnz j00000
LOL... Looks like I have some twisted fans :)
Maybe I'll sign it later, personally.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 52 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 26-May-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (darklite):
LOL :)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 53 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Shame the signing mechanism is ultimately flawed.
One could in theory invent a whole different load of European names ( so as not to provoke suspicion ) and submit one per every redial into your ISP.
Or you could pretend to be Brecht.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 54 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 26-May-2002 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
> Uhm, now _that's_ what I call unfair bundling and Microsoft tactics.
Let's get this straight. By signing Microsoft's OEM license, you agree that you will NOT deliver your machines with any other operating system besides of MS Windows. In other words, it is *strictly* forbidden to sell dual-boot systems!
Which is pretty much the same thing Amiga/Hyperion plan to do with AmigaOS4. Dual-boot AmigaOne? Won't happen!
bPlan, on the other hand, are selling a software/hardware combination which MAY ALSO be bundled with third party operating systems. It's perfectly alright to sell triple-boot machines based on the PEGASOS!
Now, Ole-Egil, please think again who's more likely to be using "Microsoft tactics"...
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 55 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 26-May-2002 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (DaveW):
Dave, just have a look at this comment by Ben Hermanns...
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1018702142&category=news&number=166
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 56 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (André Siegel):
Thats just ONE of Microsofts fun practices and one which I dont actually argue with. Its what OEM branding is all about.
What caused the contention was the pressure that they put on any OEM ( financial ) if the OEM shipped any systems WITHOUT MS Windows but with a competitor OS.
Also the bundling practices on the desktop are akin to the BPlan bundling of OS with hardware. You could add your own browser so LONG as you did not modify any settings, icons or defaults. Ergo the default browser was IE unless the user expressly chose to modify it. You could not remove IE. Thats bundling.
Sound familiar?
Well yes, and then there was the bundling of MVS, tools, compilers etc that IBM did that forced any vendor to use that bundle with any IBM mainframe they resold. Part of the out of court settlement was that vendors were able to replace any element of the system as they saw fit. Ergo the platform was unbundled into DFSMS, LPPs, MVS, Comms Server etc. Vendors could pick and choose. From *IBM* you could only buy the bundle.
Wow that sounds REAL familiar. After the breakup of the strongarm tactics you could NOT run MVS on any other host system unless it was certified by IBM and you had a proper support mechanism there. Much more liberated, sounds like the AInc policy?
Dave.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 57 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (André Siegel):
Agreed but I did say not in that executive update.
From Bens post:
> By definition, if a dealer or third party goes to the trouble of getting an OEM version of OS 4 for certain hardware, he will want to ship it with OS 4 and not with anything else
"he will want to...." - I still dont read that as AInc will force him to do so. And besides thats only Ben spouting and not an official statement ( sorry Ben ).
Dave.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 58 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-May-2002 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (DaveW):
>One could in theory invent a whole different load of European names ( so as >not to provoke suspicion ) and submit one per every redial into your ISP.
So what's a European name? Dave? Jacob? Michael? (very popular in USA, Denmark, Poland and Germany, that one.) How about Jose? Number one on the list of popular names in Texas for male births, 2001 (Jacob and Michael was #1 in a LOT more states than that). Also very popular in Spain. Sorry, this tactic wouldn't work very well (or maybe it wouldn't be necessary at all? :) )
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 59 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
It was a tease. Sorry. :-)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 60 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Guido on 26-May-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (yoodoo):
How are they going to implement the ROM dongle on those?
Don't know that.. Maybe they make OS4 for the classic PPC Amiga's that needs either kick 3.x or the ocs/aga chipset.. (Just like the good old os 1.x, 2.x and 3.x...)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 61 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 26-May-2002 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben Hermans wrote:
> First of all, it does NOT apply to the Cyberstorm and BlizzardPPC.
So? Noone has claimed otherwise. The petition is about the current and future POP/PPC market, why would it bring up some ancient kludges already installed in old proprietary hardware. It's irrelevant to the petition, that's why the CS/BPPC aren't mentioned.
> Secondly, other schemes to distinguish approved hardware from unapproved
> hardware are possible.
> A USB token for instance.
> With the AmigaOne, the route chosen was to have ROM extensions.
> This need not be the case for other hardware.
But that isn't mentioned in any official document from Amiga Inc., and the April exec. update says the opposite. In fact I haven't seen anyone from Amiga Inc. say this anywhere.
If something like a USB dongle or something else that doesn't require anything from hardware distributors/designers is allowed, great. That's one little step in the right direction. That'd show that Amiga Inc. at least have listened to *some* complaints so far - since, once again, there is no way of interpreting what's currently spelled out in black and white in the exec. update, "In the case of newly available hardware, including the Eyetech, Elbox and Matay products above, the licence requires that OS4-specific extensions are included in the hardware's boot ROM", in any other way.
The basic plan of compulsory licensing and compulsory OS/hardware bundling is still there though.
> Bottomline: the petition's very foundation is wrong.
That's ridiculous. You claim that Amiga Inc. have changed *one detail*, and there's no official mention of this change of details anywhere either. This single detail isn't even very important unless the rest of the distribution plans are changed as well. There's nothing that comes close to shaking any foundations here.
Even so, I'm sure we'd all appreciate if you could hint at Amiga Inc. to update their public info to reflect this change and whatever else that might have been changed. When we want to read Amiga Inc.'s official statements, should we read what they say on their own web site or should we read what other companies write in online forums?
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 62 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Guido on 26-May-2002 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (DaveW):
ThanX Dave, that was what I meant.. I'm glad you also posted the info to back it up..
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 63 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Guido on 26-May-2002 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (André Siegel):
Let's get this straight. By signing Microsoft's OEM license, you agree that you will NOT deliver your machines with any other operating system besides of MS Windows. In other words, it is *strictly* forbidden to sell dual-boot systems!
Which is pretty much the same thing Amiga/Hyperion plan to do with AmigaOS4. Dual-boot AmigaOne? Won't happen!
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 64 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Guido on 26-May-2002 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (André Siegel):
... Oops..
> Let's get this straight. By signing Microsoft's OEM license, you agree that
> you will NOT deliver your machines with any other operating system besides of
> MS Windows. In other words, it is *strictly* forbidden to sell dual-boot
> systems!
> Which is pretty much the same thing Amiga/Hyperion plan to do with AmigaOS4. > Dual-boot AmigaOne? Won't happen!
Hmmm.. AFAIK, the M$ OEM license means if you sell x86 hardware you must suply, and only suply a version of Windows..
The Amiga OEM license means if you sell PPC hardware WITH OS4 boot extensions, you must sell OS4 with it, and AFAIK, any other OS you want.. If you make PPC hardware without the boot extension, you may still sell the hardware and other OSes but without OS4..
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 65 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Guido on 26-May-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (André Siegel):
By definition, if a dealer or third party goes to the trouble of getting an OEM version of OS 4 for certain hardware, he will want to ship it with OS 4 and not with anything else.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 66 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-May-2002 10:50 GMT
Community initiatives are a good idea in principle, and if Amiga was true to it's KOSH roots, and truely wanted to be different to it's predecessors, would be very responsive to such comments and initatives.
But evidence, including Amiga's dismissiveness towards the last open source petition (with 1,500+ signers) and the obscurity of organisations like the Amiga Advisory Council indicates Amiga is interested, not in working *with* the community (as partners), but in ensuring it has enough support *from* the community to achieve it's own, independently-formulated business objectives.
The two are very different.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 67 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Guido on 26-May-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (André Siegel):
Damn, I really must watch that enter key...
> By definition, if a dealer or third party goes to the trouble of getting an
> OEM version of OS 4 for certain hardware, he will want to ship it with OS 4
> and not with anything else.
Looks like Ben just sais that from a bussines point of view, selling a PPC computer with OS4 Boot extensions and only OS4 is better then selling it with other OSes also. Thats from the point of view of the reseller/manufactor, NOT Amiga Inc/Hyperion... They are not saying, the Dealer wil get into trouble with Amiga Inc !
"Goes to the trouble" means, making an effort, not getting into trouble..
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 68 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 26-May-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (André Siegel):
Andre (sorry I can't bring up the accent at present):
>Which is pretty much the same thing Amiga/Hyperion plan to do with AmigaOS4.
>Dual-boot AmigaOne? Won't happen!
Dual-boot AmigaOne can happen, but only if OS4 is on there (and presumably, Amiga may want another round of conformance testing if the second OS is MOS?).
This makes it a bit annoying for a consultant who'd like to buy up a small stock of boards and sell the licenses the customer needs. (Which happens to be the business I'm thinking about getting into, as LAN monkeys are in big demand around here.) Anyone trying to do that with A1s going to have to dual-order from Eyetech, so they may as well dual-order A1s for Amiga customers and Pegasosen for NetBSD/Linux jobs... which, I think, is going to impact the commoditization of the A1, people rackmounting iMacs notwithstanding.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 69 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 26-May-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (yoodoo):
I think the CSPPC's and BPPC's were set to self destruct. I'm not convinced there will be any around by the time OS 4.0 rolls around ;) That is a good question though...unless they're planning new Kickstart chips.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 70 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Guido on 26-May-2002 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
> (with 1,500+ signers)
Only 1500+ ? (Offcourse, this number only has a meaning if we knew how many Amiga users are still around (That's Amiga 68K, MOS, Amithlon/WinUAE etc users)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 71 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 26-May-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (SlimJim):
SlimJim:
> It has to be said that I think Seehund /is/ going about this the right way.
> That I don't agree with him, is another matter entirely.
Thanks, I wish more people would see it this way.
If you agree with the petition, please sign it. If you disagree, don't sign it.
Simple really.
All I ask is that you read what it says, try to understand the reasoning behind it, disregard any sympathies or antipathies and meaningless flamewars, form your own opinion and come to a decision based on that. This is not generally for or against any specific company, entity or product. It's sad that this needs to be pointed out. Think for yourselves.
I'll not repeat what's already there for everyone to read (and the same way I wish some people would stop merely repeating what's in the April executive update as counterpoints. We who disagree already know those points, it'd be kinda difficult to object against them otherwise...).
Regarding the abusive comments some have added with their signatures, they'll naturally be removed before it's handed over. Take your silly flamewars and factions elsewhere.
(BTW, why hasn't this been moderated to "Forum"? Is it really a less interesting or on-topic article than e.g. whether the Eurovision Song Contest featured red and white chequered images?)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 72 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 26-May-2002 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (DaveW):
>What caused the contention was the pressure that they put on any OEM
>( financial ) if the OEM shipped any systems WITHOUT MS Windows but with a
> competitor OS.
Again, this is not quite true. Lots of of people complained about the fact that it's almost impossible to sell dual-boot machines which come with another OS besides of MS Windows.
Don't you remember the story about that Japanese manufacturer who intented to sell Windows-based PCs along with a copy of BeOS? In addition, you should visit slashdot.org from time to time. Many Linux users are quite upset about that anti-dualboot clause in Microsoft's OEM license.
>Also the bundling practices on the desktop are akin to the BPlan bundling of
>OS with hardware. You could add your own browser so LONG as you did not modify
>any settings, icons or defaults.
>Ergo the default browser was IE unless the user expressly chose to modify it.
>You could not remove IE. Thats bundling."
I think that's a rather bad comparison. If customers don't need YDLinux or MorphOS, they are free to remove either from their harddisk and/or to destroy the appropiate CDs.
Windows users don't have that option as IE cannot be uninstalled by default. Nor is it possible to disable the installation of IE during the Windows setup process.
Moreover, I'd like to add that I personally don't object the fact that Microsoft includes a version of IE with every copy of Windows. What I *do* feel bad about is that dealers must not bundle their Windows-based machines with addtional third party software such as Netscape's Navigator or Opera's browser.
Would anybody mind if most new PCs came with THREE browsers pre-installed? I'm sure many customers would appreciate if they were given several alternatives to choose from. Which is true for operating systems as well!
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 73 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (André Siegel):
> I think that's a rather bad comparison. If customers don't need YDLinux or MorphOS, they are free to remove either from their harddisk and/or to destroy the appropiate CDs.
It is a good comparison because customers were allowed to delete the bits they didnt want but they could not buy anything but a complete IBM system. Any vendor tools could be added on but the vendor was not allowed to delete the IBM alternative. Sounds like an exact comparison to me.
So if I was a customer of Pegasos I would be free to delete the bits I didnt want and resell it with AmigaOS4 ... .in quantity?
Thats effectively what a vendor does.
Oh and again, the must "ship only with AOS4" has not been confirmed and is not in the executive update that the petition takes issue with.
Dave.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 74 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Seehund):
When you delete the idiot comments will you be contacting all parties to ensure that they knew what they were signing up to and to ensure that those people are who they say they are.
Darklite has already ( it seems ) been spoofed on there.
If it wasnt for the idiots eh? I bet its the same idiots that ignite the flamewars with their clueless flamebait.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 75 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 26-May-2002 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (DaveW):
Be thankful for the existance of idiots, Dave. If they didn't "idiot" here all the time, you wouldn't have anything to do but work ;)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 76 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
*blush*
Id prefer any day to have a debate with intelligent people that disagree with me like Anders, Alkis, Seehund than some of the cheesey clueless.
Dave.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 77 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 26-May-2002 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
> Dual-boot AmigaOne can happen, but only if OS4 is on there
I'm afraid you're wrong here. Please read the following comment...
"And remove the MorphOS CD-ROM from the package.
Something AInc/Hyperion asked to bPlan..."
(see also http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1018702142&category=news&number=162)
That's what Ben Hermanns responded to by posting the other comment I mentioned an hour ago in this very same thread.
> (and presumably, Amiga may want another round of conformance
> testing if the second OS is MOS?).
I'd think of this to be inacceptable. Imagine Amiga Inc. testing a competing OS such as MorphOS for conformance... This is ridiculous.
And I'm pretty sure you'll agree that this would be a Real Bad Idea(TM). Don't you, Joe?
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 78 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 26-May-2002 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (DaveW):
"It is a good comparison because customers were allowed to delete the bits they didnt want but they could not buy anything but a complete IBM system."
I wasn't referring to the IBM example. So no, I still think it was a bad comparison.
"So if I was a customer of Pegasos I would be free to delete the bits I didnt want and resell it with AmigaOS4 ... .in quantity?"
Theoretically, yes. But certainly not in quantity.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 79 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (André Siegel):
The IBM example is the one that applies.
So why arent private customers allowed to buy in quantity? Is this another artificial restriction?
What I was running the computing dept at a college and bought 120 Pegasos equipped systems and deleted MOS and Linux and put AOS4 on instead. Then when I came to sell them in bulk I would be in trouble?
Dave.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 80 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 26-May-2002 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (DaveW):
"So why arent private customers allowed to buy in quantity?"
One may buy as many boards as one can afford. However, you must not SELL in large quantities.
While it's perfectly legal for private customers to sell a second-hand Mercedes without a steering wheel, things can change all of a sudden when you're a dealer and doing this primarily to earn money. As I don't know much about UK laws, I can't tell you for sure when someone is classified as a dealer or as a private seller in your country.
Perhaps some lawyer from the UK can help us out? Or does anybody know whether there is even a EU law for this by now?
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 81 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (André Siegel):
Oh the good old grey-import clause. I dont think its through in EU law and its a bit anti-free market anyway.
My point was about the time it came to sell the purchased hardware although on reading it through again I can see why you would be confused.
Dave.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 82 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 26-May-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Seehund):
>The point is that no hardware manufacturer/distributor should have to apply
>for a license and start selling someone else's software in the first place
So maybe you should start a petition against Apple
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 83 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Seehund):
> The point is that no hardware manufacturer/distributor should have to apply for a license and start selling someone else's software in the first place
No one has to. This is why the petition is flawed Seehund.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 84 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-May-2002 12:26 GMT
Calling my local computer dealer:
- I would like to order an AmigaOne board. And ohh, I would also like to order a copy of theOSofMyChoice.
- Okey, what's your delivery adress?
...
- I would like to order an AmigaOne Powerbox 1200 with a purple tower and a preinstalled radeon 7500. And ohh, I would also like to order a copy of theOSofMyChoice.
- Okey, what's your delivery adress?
...
/Björn
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 85 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 26-May-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (André Siegel):
Maybe we speak two differently english languages, but:
>By definition, if a dealer or third party goes to the trouble of getting an
>OEM version of OS 4 for certain hardware, he will want to ship it with OS 4
>and not with anything else.
Does not mean:
>Amiga's/Hyperion's OEM license says that one is not allowed to sell certified
>hardware with any other OS besides of AmigaOS4
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 86 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 26-May-2002 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (amigammc):
Well, there's technical english, american english, british english, norwenglish, ingrish, and quite probably a few more out there. What flavour of English do you support? :)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 87 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (amigammc):
Even if it was the case Bjorns point is correct. You could buy the A1 from dealer A and then download MOS, Linux or RedPeanut OS from dealer A.
The fight seems to be over the "startup real-estate".
Bundling free Unix based OS with the system is just a way of getting the Open Source zealouts on board.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 88 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 26-May-2002 12:42 GMT
I disagree with the petition. I agree with Amiga Inc's stance on only allowing AmigaOS to ship with hardware platforms that the manufacturer has shown an interest in providing support for.
Quality is a good thing to have in the market. Otherwise we would have a load of fly-by-night cowboys selling crap and then disappearing as soon as your motherboard breaks and you return it, never to receive a repaired version.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 89 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Erm British English IS English
The rest are just pale imitations ;-)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 90 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (DaveW):
The petition claims that the executive update sayes this:
> AmigaOS will only be available bundled with such hardware.
And it does not.
Another point against signing an innaccurate petition.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 91 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 26-May-2002 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (DaveW):
>Darklite has already ( it seems ) been spoofed on there.
Indeed... soon I'll have to start PGP-signing my comments too.
Regards,
The Real Brecht
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 92 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Dagon on 26-May-2002 13:03 GMT
Our market is condemned to shrink because some won't buy a PPC Amiga, some will buy but they will use MorphOS and some will buy just for Linux.
Last night a friend of mine (non Amigan) told me that he want to buy an AmigaOne with Linux but he doesn't give a shit about AmigaOS. With those terms of certification those who will buy Amiga PPC hardware for linux they wont even give a chance to it.
'
Why it will shrink?
'
-Those that want an x86 AmigaOS won't buy.
-Those that won't have money won't buy.
-Some of the MorphOS fans wont buy AmigaOS
-New users will never come with these terms.
-New hardware from non Amiga companies wont pay a cent to Amiga Inc.
'
I don't know what's the solution but I certanly don't need them to "protect" me with their "quality" check.
What I need is many PPC hardware choices. To be able to buy a cheap and faster non Amiga "Certified" PPC motherboard and put AmigaOS on it.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 93 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by yoodoo on 26-May-2002 13:03 GMT
To some extent, Amiga Inc probably don't really care who/what runs OS4 since it's not part of their real plan anyway, other than to keep a few developers aware of the Amiga name in the hope that they'll eventually move to Anywhere.
The current ROM dongle requirement seems to be a move to protect Eyetech's investment for a while, otherwise a more open protection system using a usb/pci token could have been adopted.
In the short-medium term I don't exactly see thousands of people buying either the A1 or the Pegasos. The biggest market for OS4 is current PPC users, most of whom will already have 3.1 ROMs, so how do Amiga Inc prevent all the CPPC and BPPC owners finding a copy and 'trying it out', but never registering/buying a valid copy? The 'needs 3.1 ROMs' argument falls over quicker than a Voyager alpha release.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 94 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 26-May-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (DaveW):
>> AmigaOS will only be available bundled with such hardware.
> And it does not.
The only versions of AmigaOS4.0 which will be available through retail channels, will be those running on BlizzardPPC and CyberstormPPC cards.
*All* the other versions will ONLY be sold via OEM deals, i.e. bundled with 'approved' hardware. Go and ask Ben Hermanns, I'm sure he will repeat it for you. Or check back the ANN archives...
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 95 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 26-May-2002 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Actually, 'svengelska' ('swenglish' for you ignorants not fluent in the northern
tongues) seems to be getting more popular than actual swedish these days...Or perhaps
I just spent too much time in close proximity to the Univerity's computer department ;-)
.
SlimJim
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 96 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 14:12 GMT
Look at this one:
> Richard Foy I used the Amiga exclusivly from 1985 to 1999 now I switched to a PC laptop. I would like to get the new OS but don't want to buy an expensive computer to do so.
Erm... thats *not* what the petition is about.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 97 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Justin Veggerby Kristensen on 26-May-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (DaveW):
I agree there ;-)
Although as SlimJim I have to add 'danglish' which is the version that us danes prolly speak if we get the languages mixed up once in a while :-)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 98 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 26-May-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Justin Veggerby Kristensen):
So me learning all these exciting continental languages is a total waste of time is it? :-(
Is French going to become the COBOL of the '00s?
Is German going to be the ADA and Flemish the Fortran?
That means English is the Java or C++, messy, unstructured and far from beautiful.
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 99 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 26-May-2002 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (SlimJim):
Why did you make it sound like that's a new thing?
The swedish people have no pride in their language and throw in FAR too many english words (hrmm, might not be the right man to throw this first stone, though) in their Swedish. This has been going on since the 80's, possible a bit earlier. In Norway we have "språkrådet", keeping us in line :)
Petition: AmigaOS distribution policies and PPC hardware : Comment 100 of 187ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 26-May-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (DaveW):
Chinese, man. they passed one billion some years back, right? Just think what happens when these guys get cheap computers ;)
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