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[News] Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga TerritoryANN.lu
Posted on 10-Jul-2002 08:14 GMT by m3x101 comments
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I've just found this news item on the Mai Logic site.
Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga Territory : Comment 51 of 101ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 10-Jul-2002 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ole-Egil):
@Ole Egil
>Why is an ArticiaS based A1 so bad if an ArticiaS
>based Pegasos is your dream machine?
Dream-machine ? I don't think I ever dreamed about something as stupid as a
computer ....
All we have seen so far from the "A1" are an old (unlicenced) BIOS that boots
Linux .... or not ;o(
If the board shown at Computer-City is identical to the end version , than it
is not acceptable. If it is not finished, well then is it not finished *g*
The A1 may become a descent mobo, if and when these probs are really sorted out,
but your own screenshots suggested that it hasn't been done yet.
The Pegasos is not really available (and a handfull or so A1s aren't any better),
but it has gone through atleast 2 full development cycles and offers some nice
extras like small size, firewire and digital sound. It also has FFS-support in
the BIOS ;0), and has been shown/beta-tested with Amiga-SW since last October.
Oh and as you should know I prefer a certain piece of SW that I won't mention here.
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Posted by Kronos on 10-Jul-2002 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ole-Egil):
@Ole Egil
>Why is an ArticiaS based A1 so bad if an ArticiaS
>based Pegasos is your dream machine?
Dream-machine ? I don't think I ever dreamed about something as stupid as a
computer ....
All we have seen so far from the "A1" are an old (unlicenced) BIOS that boots
Linux .... or not ;o(
If the board shown at Computer-City is identical to the end version , than it
is not acceptable. If it is not finished, well then is it not finished *g*
The A1 may become a descent mobo, if and when these probs are really sorted out,
but your own screenshots suggested that it hasn't been done yet.
The Pegasos is not really available (and a handfull or so A1s aren't any better),
but it has gone through atleast 2 full development cycles and offers some nice
extras like small size, firewire and digital sound. It also has FFS-support in
the BIOS ;0), and has been shown/beta-tested with Amiga-SW since last October.
Oh and as you should know I prefer a certain piece of SW that I won't mention here.
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Posted by AmiTroll on 10-Jul-2002 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Kronos):
Kronos,
*sigh* MAI did not build the A1. Another 'asia based company' did. Eyetech got thier name from MAI and Eyetech sent thier mobo spec to that factory, for production, NOT MAI. Somehow you equate the chipset with a WHOLE MOTHERBOARD. Well, it's not. That would be like me saying the Pegasos is a TeronCX because it's useing the Arctica as well. Please get off it.
I _might_ buy a pegasos board too. I know that's the one your chomping at the bit about. But first get OS4 to run on it. Then prove it to be more reliable than the Phase5 and DCE accelerators and then i'll consider it.
But do stop with the trolls and cutsie names. Or should i just join in and say MoreFuss and Pegasaurus?
GRUNT
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Posted by Kronos on 10-Jul-2002 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kronos):
*red-glowing-face-smiley*
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Posted by redrumloa on 10-Jul-2002 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kronos):
Kronos yelled:
>The Pegasos is not really available (and a handfull or so A1s aren't any
>better), but it has gone through atleast 2 full development cycles.
If I ever have problems with my A1G3SE, I will be able be able to take comfort in the fact 2 real companies, MAI and Eyetech, will honor the waranty in a timely manner. Do you honestly fell you will have the same comfort level Kronos?
Pretty looking expensive electronics are useless if they don't work.
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Jul-2002 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (redrumloa):
"Pretty looking expensive electronics are useless if they don't work."
And DCE are even more useless at getting them working ;)
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Jul-2002 13:59 GMT
Wonder if Eyetech can now say to MAI , hey look at the pegasos thing thats using your chip , we don't like them , so you don't like them , no northbridges for you sucka ;P brings memories of DCE , Bplan and the grex hehe
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In reply to Comment 55 (redrumloa):
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Off-topic, profanity, excessive uppercase
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Jul-2002 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (cOrpse):
Its about time to get a mob gang together and head over the DCE HQ smash up some pegasos' and cause a general nightmare for them :)
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Jul-2002 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (cOrpse):
Its about time to get a mob gang together and head over the DCE HQ smash up some pegasos' and cause a general nightmare for them :)
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Posted by Jürgen Lange on 10-Jul-2002 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (cheeser):
What are you talking about, cheeser? Do you know someting about chip
sets used in Pegasos? I don't think so. You are just trolling.
Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga Territory : Comment 62 of 101ANN.lu
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Posted by Sauron Bigmouth on 10-Jul-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (cOrpse):
YES! YES! Do you HEAR THAT DCE!!?? THAT'S RIGHT, I'm coming for YOU!!!!!1
I'm going to shove Pegasos motherboards up your ass untill F$$$$ BLUE BUTTERFLIES SHOOT OUT YOUR EARS!!!! AAAA! AHAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
I ***DEMAND**** MY CSPPC back NOW you thieving lowlife SCUM!!!!!!!!
EITHER give me back my $1200 or my CARD, ****NNNNOOOOOWWWWWWWW*****
You people are f$$$$ CRAZY if you do business with them!!!!!!!
I could buy an A1 -AND!!!!- a Pegasos from the $$$ they F&*&*& STOLE from me!
CRIMINALS!!!!
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Posted by Sjoerd on 10-Jul-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Jürgen Lange):
>What are you talking about, cheeser? Do you know someting about chip
>sets used in Pegasos? I don't think so. You are just trolling.
http://adsl-100-156.kymp.net/~p/pegasostmp/ImageDSCN0692.jpg
read the chip!
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Posted by PMC on 10-Jul-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Cheeser):
Oh Dear.
1) "The A1 isnt even G5 and you cant get The G4 on the a1 you can on the Pegasos".
G5 is not yet available, and even when it is Apple will have priority access. Also, the A1 marketing blurb states that the G3 and G4 are supported at speeds "up to the processors <clocking> limit".
2) "I can run windos (sic) stuff and of course linux"
I won't even bother with this....
3) "oh yeha Its G6 ready"
Yeah? Support for a CPU that does not exist? I'm impressed.
Normally I don't bother replying to s*&%e like this as it makes me look just as sad, but what planet is this guy on?
Get a life. Oh, and a course in English Language wouldn't go amiss either.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 10-Jul-2002 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Sauron Bigmouth):
What country are you from? Where do you stand legally? I know that it is deeply annoying when companies act in this way. The best way to fight them and get any justice is let everyone know what they have done (you may need to do it in a more subtle way however ;) , refuse to buy any more of their products and see where you stand on the legal front. This way you may well stand a chance of righting some of the wrongs that they have caused.
---
Sam
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Posted by PaulT on 10-Jul-2002 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
re: their AGP comments.... I'm not sure what they meant. In the other MAI page someone referenced, they do state:
"...providing the first AGP4X/PCIX chipset in the industry...".
Now, it was relatively recently, like 2001, that Apple finally shipped machines that used AGP 4X. And PCIX may refer to faster revisions of the PCI bus such as 66 MHz or higher. So either they are claiming to have done so before Apple (or IBM!), or some combination of bus speeds that Apple/IBM do not have available. Either way it's marketroid hype.
"I am Amiga Club"
/
\/
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Jul-2002 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Sauron Bigmouth):
I'll do a pentition online or summin in a mo , i want people to get their stuff back before they even think about talking about taking pills or dissing the coupon :)
I didn't send my card to DCE in the end but i know how much pain these things caused , mines *NEVER* worked correctly !
cOrpse - Phase 5 screwed me for £640 ($948 at the current exchange rate) , you question my reasons for hating anyone involved ? your the mad one.
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Posted by anonymous on 10-Jul-2002 17:34 GMT
One thing I've just noticed: the information on the Amiga site on the 'AmigaOne' is hopelessly dated and much of it now is inaccurate. If announcements like these are going to be beneficial to the community, someone should jump on AI and get them to revise the site.
As it stands, the AmigaOne described there sounds like a reference platform and extension to the A1200 and A4000 for running DE.
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Posted by anon on 10-Jul-2002 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Sauron Bigmouth):
stop it now corpse! go back to your IRC channel where all will be very proud of you.
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Posted by Amifan on 10-Jul-2002 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (cOrpse):
Well, that's because the part were used to repair other board ofcourse. ;-)
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Posted by Tronman on 10-Jul-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (cheeser):
Hey Cheeser
Look at the photos of the Pegasos. Look at them closely. Note the 'MAI Logic' logo on the main chip there next to the CPU carrier slot. 'Nuff said?
http://arexx.kicks-ass.net/pegasospics/ImageDSCN0692.jpg
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Posted by Amifan on 10-Jul-2002 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (anon):
Oh no ANON, please go back to amiga-news.de, We all know that German compagnies are holy to you no matter what "service" they provide.....
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Posted by Amifan on 10-Jul-2002 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (PaulT):
And PCIX may refer to faster revisions of the PCI bus such as 66 MHz or higher.
PCI-X is a minor extension to but compatible with PCI (Less timing demanding) and clocked from 66Mhz to 133Mhz. PCI-X 2 introduced double and quad data rates, enlarging the effective bandwidth to 34Gbit/sec or 4 Gbyte/sec.
But it's only used in industrial PC's and embedded systems.
IIRC The next genertion PCI will be a serial bus which is fully compatible with current PCI software. If you need more bandwidth then you just have to stack several buses.
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Posted by amigammc on 10-Jul-2002 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (cheeser):
Man, do you ever have anything positive to say? Your life must be so miserably sad...
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Posted by Sauron Bigmouth on 10-Jul-2002 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Sam Smith):
Yea, I know. Guess I should tone it down a little, my posts are being removed/moderated... Sorry, I'm just peed off is all.
Two years. It's just NOT right, it's one of those things that wants to make you post in all caps and use alot of exclamation marks, sigh.
Sorry for the outburst guys, I'll direct my anger at DCE when I finally catch up to them.
Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga Territory : Comment 77 of 101ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 10-Jul-2002 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Jerry Gibbons):
I joined last week!! :)
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Posted by tarbos on 10-Jul-2002 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Sauron Bigmouth):
Hehe, they have massive steel doors, so it would not be easy for you to gain entrance.
DCE has not too much to do with Pegasos - bplan staff come over, get their few boards
produced and then take them with them, I think.
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Jul-2002 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (tarbos):
Its probaly easy to gain DCE's attention when the UK trading standards guys are with you ;) , my dad doing fuel tankers and stuff got to know some of um quite well i think , he knows how to get um to sort stuff at any rate ( got that washing machine sorted no problem :D ) ... maybe i should get him to have a word ;)
Everyone knows British people don't take any sh*t so DCE could bet their arse on getting pretty beat up if people speak to the right people.
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Posted by cOrpse on 10-Jul-2002 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (tarbos):
"DCE has not too much to do with Pegasos - bplan staff come over, get their few boards produced and then take them with them, I think."
You'd think that wouldn't you ... seems Bplan has DCE wrapped round their thumb. DCE produced the Pegasos prototypes ( evidence on their site ) and I bet you they're producing the final thing.
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Posted by HammerD on 10-Jul-2002 22:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (cOrpse):
I doubt that is an accurate statement. Tarbos and I *physically visited* DCE in May. If bplan had DCE "wrapped" as you mention, then they would be out of business. DCE is a business in contract manufacturing among other things. Relying strictly on bplan would mean the end of DCE's business, as bplan has produced only a very limited amount of boards so far.
HammerD
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Posted by redrumloa on 11-Jul-2002 01:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (cOrpse):
>and I bet you they're producing the final thing.
According to Thendic, DCE *ARE* producing the final boards.
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Posted by James Carroll on 11-Jul-2002 02:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (redrumloa):
God have mercy on us all.
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Posted by BoyGenius on 11-Jul-2002 03:17 GMT
All powerpc accelerators have been priced prohibitively high in the states so fewer people have one here. I never got one, have no experience with Phase 5, DCE. Are they that bad? Explain to me if the MAI release says that the TeronPX has a removable processor card allowing newer processors to be substituted. Why was'nt the A1 based on this? Will this board run OS4? How many people are so put off by these motherboards that they are waiting for PCI powerPC accelerator cards for their PCI backplanes in towered A1200 systems? When will either be available?
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2002 05:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (cOrpse):
So when you Pegasos gets broken and if you send it to DCE you wull never get it back again :P
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Posted by Neil Thomas on 11-Jul-2002 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (PMC):
> Oh Dear.
> 1) "The A1 isnt even G5 and you cant get The G4 on the a1 you can on the
> Pegasos".
> G5 is not yet available, and even when it is Apple will have priority access.
Erm, yes it is. There are a box of samples of these devices sitting under a desk of my colleague. They look pretty real to me. Although the company I work for is 3rd in the picking order to get components from Motorola.
The IBM reps are always coming to the office trying to convince the component buyer to switch to IBM PowerPC devices. When he replys 'no' to the question "Can we use your device as a direct replacement for the Motorola component" he goes away having sold none!
Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
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Posted by Neil Thomas on 11-Jul-2002 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (PaulT):
> re: their AGP comments.... I'm not sure what they meant. In the other MAI
> page someone referenced, they do state:
>
> "...providing the first AGP4X/PCIX chipset in the industry...".
>
> Now, it was relatively recently, like 2001, that Apple finally shipped
> machines that used AGP 4X. And PCIX may refer to faster revisions of the PCI > bus such as 66 MHz or higher. So either they are claiming to have done so
> before Apple (or IBM!), or some combination of bus speeds that Apple/IBM do
> not have available. Either way it's marketroid hype.
PCI-X is 64 bits @ 133MHz (1024 MBits/sec). The first PCI-X device is made by Tundra.
Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2002 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (cOrpse):
"Everyone knows British people don't take any sh*t so DCE could bet their arse on getting pretty beat up if people speak to the right people."
ROTFLMAO
If you knew ANYTHING about us British, then you'd know that we are famous for NOT complaining (indeed, for going out of our way not to complain).
We'd put up with almost anything rather than cause a fuss or create a scene.
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Posted by Kulwant Bhogal on 11-Jul-2002 08:21 GMT
My two cents worth:
Remember that Alan Redhouse (Eyetech) said that PowerPC designs don't gain anything from DDR (Double Data
Rate) RAM.
Witness MAI's Atricia P specification (to ship Q4 2002) which includes DDR &
AGPx4 support amongst other things. It's a shame that our "Next Gen" Amiga's
PegasOS/AmigaONE/SharkPPC won't be at the (blunt?) cutting edge for very long at all.
Roll on PegasOS MkII/ AmigaTWO/ SharkII...
That aside, given that I find acceptable, for most things, the performance of my
50MHz 060 and 240MHz PPC board with 50MHz bus, with most of the OS running on
the 060, The AmigaONE and/or the PegasOS in their current specs represent a
tremendous leap in performance for new Amiga apps written to take advantage of the
h/w - i.e. OS4 and IBrowse, AmiSSL, Real3D, RageHard etc etc.
And remember that if people hadn't bought 386s and 486s, would the Pentium even
exist now? If you really want to see something better than the PegasOS or
AmigaONE - eg something with AGPx4, DDR RAM, >8Gb/s RAM bandwidth etc etc, then
you have to buy the AmigaONE/PegasOS/SharkPPC when they ship so that companies
like Eyetech, bPlan and Elbox have something to build upon.
You can either support the effort or see it all wither away to nothing.
Kulwant
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2002 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Jerry Gibbons):
you really sent your money to this firm which tried to destroy amiga spirit and tried to make us go on peecees ?
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Posted by Christer Jansson on 11-Jul-2002 09:22 GMT
Hola amigos!
Now I've also joined the "I'm Amiga Club"!!!
So to the rest of you.... Are you in or are you out!
Saludos,
Xter
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Posted by vortexau on 11-Jul-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Jerry Gibbons):
And did you read THIS:
"....in-field DRAM fault detection and real-time fault recovery without the need of a system reboot"
Hope this feature is implimented in the A1.
I'd love a system that can recover from errors without the need of re-booting! :)
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 11-Jul-2002 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Kulwant Bhogal):
The first PPC family to support DDR is the G5. A G3 or a G4 with DDR wouldn't be faster. But TWO G3 or G4 processors sharing the same memory would benefit from DDR. This is where the ArticiaP enters the picture. Not even AGP 4x is anywhere NEAR the bandwith of SDRAM, so until the CPU can benefit, it's not worth the hassle. And it IS a hassle, from an engineers point of view. Seen RDRAM? It's running on such a high frequency you have to terminate the bus with correct load if you have less devices...
That's 400MHz, DDR is now at 333 ;-)
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Posted by ehaines on 11-Jul-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (BoyGenius):
> All powerpc accelerators have been priced prohibitively high in the states so
> fewer people have one here.
Bah, mine was a mere US$1200, and here in the States we're just rolling in
cash, right? ;) (It helps to have a low-impact lifestyle so you have more
money to spend on silly things....)
> I never got one, have no experience with Phase 5, DCE. Are they that bad?
Yes, Phase 5 was bad (mine was DOA, took months for them to get around to
fixing it, then they had the nerve to charge another $100 for that.)
> Explain to me if the MAI release says that the TeronPX has a removable
> processor card allowing newer processors to be substituted. Why was'nt the
> A1 based on this?
It is. There's more than one A1 model. The TeronPX-based A1 will be
available later and will be more expensive, though.
> Will this board run OS4?
After it's been turned into the second A1 model, yes.
> How many people are so put off by these motherboards that they are waiting
> for PCI powerPC accelerator cards for their PCI backplanes in towered A1200
> systems?
Er, none? Why would anyone be put off by them? Why would anyone want to
bodge together yet another hack dependent on aging motherboards when they
can have a brand-new board for the same money?
> When will either be available?
When they're ready? :)
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Posted by Amifan on 11-Jul-2002 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Ole-Egil):
>The first PPC family to support DDR is the G5.
Erm...the first is already available and is an embedded PPC with buildin DDR controller :-)
>Not even AGP 4x is anywhere NEAR the bandwith of SDRAM
Erm...AGP 4x is a quad pumped 66Mhz 32bit port thus capable of transfering
266Mhz(4x 66,667Mhz) X 4 bytes (32bit)1064 MBytes/sec
PC133 SDRAM133Mhz x 8 (64bit) = 1064 MByte/sec
These are theoretical values. PC133 will do much lower then 1064Mbyte/sec on a 600Mhz G3. That's why AGP 4x show very little improvement over AGP 2x on PC133 platforms, since the memory can keep up with the AGP, so in fact an AGP 4x would be nearly 45%-50% idle.
>And it IS a hassle, from an engineers point of view. Seen RDRAM? It's running >on such a high frequency you have to terminate the bus with correct load if >you have less devices...
400Mhz DDR (effectively 800Mhz transfer, but still 400Mhz)? That's nearly DC :-) But that no problem since you calculate the right dielectrical values for the bustraces anyway to get a characteristic impedance.
RDRAM has actually a huge advantage from a layouter point of view. It's only 8bit or 16bit, so reducing the number of to be routed bus traces drastically compared to (DDR)SDRAM.
>That's 400MHz, DDR is now at 333 ;-)
DDR SDRAM has reached 200Mhz DDR (400Mhz effective transfer).
But then again it's 64bit instead of 16/32 bit.
RDRAM has reached 533Mhz DDR (1066Mhz effective transfer), the PentiumIV has finally got their 133Mhz FSB (Quad pumped).
166Mhz DDR SDRAM (333Mhz)333Mhz * 8 (64bit) = 2.66Gbyte/sec
Measured performance on an Athlon XP 2300+ (1866Mhz) resulted in 2.3Gbyte/sec to 2.4GByte/sec
200Mhz DDR SDRAM (400Mhz)400Mhz * 8 (64bit) = 3.2Gbyte/sec
Measured performance on an Athlon XP 2200+ is 2.6 GByte/sec
400Mhz RDRAM (800Mhz)800 * 2 (16 bit) = 1.6GByte/sec
(Pentium used '2 channels'(dual channel) this getting 3.2GByte/sec).
Measured performance on a P4 2.5Ghz gave 2.4GByte/sec to 2.6Gbyte/sec
533Mhz RDRAM (1066Mhz)= 1066 * 4 (32bit)2.1GByte/sec
(Pentium used '2 channels'(dual channel) this getting 4.2GByte/sec)
Measured performance on a P4 2.5Ghz gave 3.3GByte/sec to 3.4Gbyte/sec
So I guess that DDR can keep up with RDRAM for some time.
Nice to see is that DDR RAM gets much closer to it's theoretical MAX then RDRAM.
But those are synthetic benchmarks.....
According to Tomshardware, DDR400 outperforms PC800 on equal systems (same CPU), depending on the chipset ofcourse).
And you can alsways do the "stack" trick with DDR RAM to create 128bit DDR (two matched DDR modules)
Yeah yeah I know, sometimes I've just got to much spare time :-)
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Posted by Kulwant Bhogal on 12-Jul-2002 08:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Amifan):
Oh well, we'll just have to put up with 1Gb/sec instead of 2 or 3Gb/sec - sounds
quite poor, but still better than what we are used to (looking on the bright
side).
When you say a 600MHz G3, don't the Atricia S specs say that the Bus speed can
at max be 1/4 the speed of the CPU, so unless seperate clock circuitry is
added (highly unlikely given that cost is a prime consideration) that
133x4532MHz will be the max CPU speed for a 133MHz bus - not 600MHz.
Kulwant
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Posted by Ole-Egil on 12-Jul-2002 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Kulwant Bhogal):
Duh, the articiaS sits between the cpu's external bus and the rest of the system, NOT between the cpu core and the external bus. How the frell would the ArticiaS know the speed of the internal pll of the core? I'm running at more than 600 myself, but if you really wanna run it at 533, be my guest ;-)
Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga Territory : Comment 98 of 101ANN.lu
Posted by Kulwant Bhogal on 12-Jul-2002 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Ole-Egil):
Sorry my fault, you are right, it actually reads:
* Support PCI bus speed 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, 2/3, 1/4 of
CPU bus speed
Regards,
Kulwant
Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga Territory : Comment 99 of 101ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Kleinert on 13-Jul-2002 07:43 GMT
Where can one buy a bare ATX PPC-Board from MAI?
I.e. who's actually distribution these (unmodified and without any extras, like cases) in Europe ATM and how much does it cost in EUR?
Infos to: no_spam_info@ar-kleinert.de (remove the no_spam_)
Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga Territory : Comment 100 of 101ANN.lu
Posted by Brad on 13-Jul-2002 14:48 GMT
Ummm...Didn't we all know this already?
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