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Here are more photos of the meeting ArtBastringue/AmigaMania in Toulouse (FRANCE) June 22-23 2002 .

- Photos of an "AmigaOne SE" running LinuxPPC, - Photos of the new "AmigaOne XE" showed by Alan Redhouse (Eyetech) during the conférence - Photos of "cristO classic" high end tower case from Naya Design. - Various photos of well known french Amiga users (Professionals and normal users) - and more... :)
Gallery 1 AmigaMania13_1
Gallery 2 AmigaMania13_2

Enjoy.
Unfortunely no comment for each photos is available. You can find the other photos about that meeting, at the French Amiga Association "AFLE" web site:
AmigaMania13 AFLE

Other infos about organization and program of that weekend:
AmigaMania13 info

And various infos on past news:

New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 1 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 11-Jul-2002 17:08 GMT
Onevision was here again !
Is this a PPC750FX ?
http://www.chez.com/amigatop/AmigaMania13_1/Photo_099.JPG
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 2 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 11-Jul-2002 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
Christophe Decanini wrote:
"Is this a PPC750FX ?"
The important bit is that it's a processor sitting on a daughtercard, which means you can use any AOS compatible processor in the G3/G4 range that takes your fancy.
OneVision gets everywhere, doesn't he?
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 3 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 11-Jul-2002 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
Who is Onevision?
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 4 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 11-Jul-2002 17:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (redrumloa):
A former Hyperion PR guy that holded the first Amigaone prototype with me last year in the south of France :)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 5 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 11-Jul-2002 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (anarchic_teapot):
The important part is that if it is a PPC750FX cpu modules it exists and may be ready soon !
I would hope that both amigaOneXE and pegasos would accept a wide range of CPU like:
PPC750CXE for low end
PPC750FX for middle end
PPC74xx for high end
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 6 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 11-Jul-2002 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Christophe Decanini):
I confirm !
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 7 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 11-Jul-2002 18:45 GMT
- Photos of an "AmigaOne SE" running LinuxPPC, -
How about some photos of an AmigaOne running AOS4.
I've got linux on an Intel box....don't need it on a PPC.
coldfire
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 8 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 11-Jul-2002 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (coldfire):
Patience grasshopper:-D
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 9 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2002 19:46 GMT
>Photos of the new "AmigaOne XE"
Strange the board reads TeronPX 1.0 - but Teron and AmigaOne are equivalent as we all know...
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 10 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 11-Jul-2002 20:47 GMT
Hey, I didn't notice the dipswitch before. It's close to the CPU, so I guess that's the multiplyer selector.
I smell some serious overclocking in the air :-)
http://www.chez.com/amigatop/AmigaMania13_1/Photo_017.JPG
And a 3COM 10/100MBit Ethernet controller
And yes, that surely looks like an 750FX :-)
But...we want G4 apollo don't we?
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 11 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 11-Jul-2002 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
"Is this a PPC750FX ?
http://www.chez.com/amigatop/AmigaMania13_1/Photo_099.JPG "
I've just spent the last 1/2 hour scrutinizing those photos and concluded that it was 750F? then went to IBM's site and behold...750FX is the processor that goes to 1GHz! I'm happy! Yes, I believe it is a 750FX.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 12 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Jul-2002 23:11 GMT
bloody pop-ups!
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 13 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 11-Jul-2002 23:26 GMT
Yes it would be cool if we could overclok this thing i just hope that you can put a proper heatsink and a fan on it.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 14 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 12-Jul-2002 07:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
"Strange the board reads TeronPX 1.0 - but Teron and AmigaOne are equivalent as we all know..."
Not 'know', 'believe'. You can only know something if it's true (gosh I knew the bloody awful philosophy classes would come in useful some day).
The AmigaOne boards are _modified_, _redesigned_ Terons. Terons are evaluation boards, to be used as a basis for creating your own POP solution; you couldn't just sell them as-is, there'd be too many missing functions.
For those who're getting obsessed with the type of chip on the daughter card, it was just the one that was used with the prototype (the mobo in the photos is a prototype). It certainly doesn't mean that it's the chip that will be delivered with the board. It'll take G3, of course, but also G4 (let's all hope the prices come down over the next few months), and - really nice touch this - *dual* processor cards as well.
I'm working on an article to accompany the photos, but I got a bit behind since I'm very busy (and not just with the A1 dev board). Soon.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 15 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 12-Jul-2002 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Elektro):
I think you mean it would be "hot" to overclock it, not "cool" ;-)
You should be EXTREMELY confident in your own ability not to screw up if you wanna overclock it, though. Since you won't have thousands of others to do it before you.
On the other hand, I always push it just a little bit upwards. Not because I need more speed, but it's the principle. There's always some leverage in CPU speed, but in this case there's no way of adjusting the system bus speed a few percent up or down to match the excact speed that is fastest but still working. So it's not an overclockers dream. It's Olegil's dream, though ;-)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 16 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2002 07:38 GMT
Wow. More pics of this "Amiga"One running Linux.
Big smegging deal.
It's not an Amiga, it's more accurately "LinuxOnePPC".
Let us know if you ever get AOS4 to such a state that you can publically show it running, THEN you can call it "AmigaOne".
Until then, quit the pointless Linux shots in an Amiga site, please.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 17 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Neil Thomas on 12-Jul-2002 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Christophe Decanini):
> I would hope that both amigaOneXE and pegasos would accept a wide range of
> CPU like:
> PPC750CXE for low end
> PPC750FX for middle end
> PPC74xx for high end
I would have thought a 1Ghz 750FX (3rd generation) will give greater performance than the fastest 74xx (4th genertaion) for non-Alitvec code. i.e Amiga OS4.0...
Untill we have compilers that make use of the Altivec unit, then the difference between 'G3' and 'G4' will remain marginal.
Given that the 750FX can be clocked to 1GHz, I know where my money is going...
Neil Thomas, AAKA BobF
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 18 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by alffx on 12-Jul-2002 08:45 GMT
I thought nice tower that naya one.
I want one
Only 660 euro !!!!!!
little too expensive although it's a custum tower offcourse :(((
alf
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 19 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 12-Jul-2002 09:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Ole-Egil):
I think you mean it would be "hot" to overclock it, not "cool" ;-)
>You should be EXTREMELY confident in your own ability not to screw up if you >wanna overclock it, though. Since you won't have thousands of others to do it >before you.
Been there, done that ;-)
My previous calculations on the AmigaONE mailing list showed that this 600Mhz CPU is running at aprox. 102 degreees celcius wostcase (10W) without cooling. Recommended maximum is 105 degrees, so I can just dissipate the extra dT which active cooling provides. But I'm going to make a little hardware temperature monitor anway. MAybe I can do something with a Peltier element between the active cooling and the PPC to get the heat away from the chip as fast as possible. I made my own TEC controller once for laser temperature control.
>On the other hand, I always push it just a little bit upwards. Not because I >need more speed, but it's the principle.
Hehe need for speed :-) I know what you mean ;-)
>There's always some leverage in CPU speed, but in this case there's no way of >adjusting the system bus speed a few percent up or down to match the excact >speed that is fastest but still working. So it's not an overclockers dream.
Well, well see about that if it's nescesary i'll build my own oscillator :-)
>It's Olegil's dream, though ;-)
I guess then we share the same dream ;-)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 20 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 12-Jul-2002 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
>Let us know if you ever get AOS4 to such a state that you can publically show >it running, THEN you can call it "AmigaOne".
>
>Until then, quit the pointless Linux shots in an Amiga site, please.
I really don't get it what people triggers to post such a comment.
They can't show any pictures at all if you like, but then you come back trolling anonymously that the AmigaONE is vapor or non functional hardware.
You can't do anything right in Amigaland.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 21 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 12-Jul-2002 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Amifan):
celeron II 633@950->1263 , default voltage too :) , you have to stick it to max once its booted cuz the memory won't post at 133 works all the same tho :D
I reckon an miniOrb ( gfx cooler ) would do the job for the aOne , its stick on too :)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 22 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2002 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Amifan):
Or, they coudl just shut up, get on with developing, then show us something when there IS something Amiga-related to show.
But then again, it'd be years before they showed us anything in that case :-(
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 23 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by who cares-not many on 12-Jul-2002 11:15 GMT
Its a linux box . I have that now. Pegasos is out now and the Pegasos is better.
This just shows its running, not how fast or how well. when this was shown the so called
a1 didnt preform well at all.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 24 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Jul-2002 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Neil Thomas):
"I would have thought a 1Ghz 750FX (3rd generation) will give greater performance than the fastest 74xx (4th genertaion) for non-Alitvec code. i.e Amiga OS4.0..."
I think that Apple will get 1.4 Ghz G4 before the end of the summer. If the supplies are big enough non Apple customers might get some.
"Untill we have compilers that make use of the Altivec unit, then the difference between 'G3' and 'G4' will remain marginal."
Redhat announced a few months ago that they would bring heavy use of altivec in GCC. As both MorphOS and AmigaOS4 use GCC we may have some chance to run some altivec code.
But I agree that the 750FX is a great CPU and has a better price/performance ration than the G4. Some of us just want the fastest CPU and would buy more than one CPU if SMP modules were available. In this case the G4 is the appropriate choice.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 25 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 12-Jul-2002 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (who cares-not many):
"Its a linux box . I have that now. Pegasos is out now and the Pegasos is better. "
By "out now" do you mean I can psycally purchase one?
I've been watching the newsgroup, and it appears to be completely dead. barely a "hello world" post even.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 26 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 12-Jul-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
>Or, they coudl just shut up, get on with developing, then show us something >when there IS something Amiga-related to show.
>But then again, it'd be years before they showed us anything in that case :-(
Yeah and you gave exactly the troll comment you would give if they shut up, so what is your point.
You can see a little part of the process now. If you don't like it, then YOU should shut up.....
Amigaland is full of compling people lately...............
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 27 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 12-Jul-2002 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (who cares-not many):
>Its a linux box . I have that now. Pegasos is out now and the Pegasos is >better.
Ans your fact are based on what? The fact that they share the same northbridge and CPU so far?
>This just shows its running, not how fast or how well. when this was shown the >so called a1 didnt preform well at all.
So how can you judge its performance if you don't know anything about it? And tell me, how well does the Pegasos run AmigaOS then? Erm.....not at all?
Please Shawn...Cut the crap.....
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 28 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2002 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Neil Thomas):
>Untill we have compilers that make use of the Altivec unit, then the difference between 'G3' and 'G4' will remain marginal.
You are aware of the fact the MPC745x are entirely different and more complex than the old MPC74xx G4?
>Given that the 750FX can be clocked to 1GHz, I know where my money is going...
Apple has 700MHz G3 in their iBooks now and IBM plans for 1GHz later (this year?).
The PLLs go up till 1.2GHz according to the available spec sheets.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 29 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2002 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (alffx):
Ooch, this is really only interesting for demonstrations then.
300 Euro would be an OK price for the consumer.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 30 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2002 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Christophe Decanini):
>But I agree that the 750FX is a great CPU and has a better price/performance ration than the G4.
What IS the price of 750FX??
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 31 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by coolness -its ral coolness on 12-Jul-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (TBone):
NO its out now . The problem is the people that did a preorder get thiers first.
As of this writing they are on thier 4th production line of 500 preorders.
So no you cant just go and get it, but its still out now. You will be able to get
the nonpreorders this Aug.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 32 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by MIke last comment where done by me Mike on 12-Jul-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Amifan):
It seems as though you need a chill pill,and as far as me being this a shawn or whomever shawn,nope its not I.
Secondly the Pegasos isnt the same as the pc nor the a1 which is a pc/macclone(Same archtiecture). Both of those
use the northbridge architecture. The Pegasos uses soemthing akin to the SGi and ALpha making it much more
powerful.
The video of both I have seen as many have seen. Those videos proves the Pegasos is the best of the 2.
Like redumbla you pull names out of the air,becasue you cant back up your silly opinions , and
as a result get so angry. Well as for me and others I will sit back here and laugh at your
silly notions.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 33 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Jul-2002 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (coolness -its ral coolness):
Shawn wrote:
>NO its out now . The problem is the people that did a preorder get thiers
>first. As of this writing they are on thier 4th production line of 500
>preorders.
Sure, right.. uh huh. Why do you believe everything you read when it comes to MOS/Peggy Shawn? That announcement came from Thendic, who appear to be quite silly.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 34 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Jul-2002 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MIke last comment where done by me Mike):
Shawn wrote:
>Like redumbla you pull names out of the air,becasue you cant back up your
>silly opinions , and as a result get so angry.
Me angry? ROFLMAO! You give youself to much credit Shawn!
>Well as for me and others I will sit back here and laugh at your
>silly notions.
By other of course you mean all of your multiple personalities at 12.218.66.94 I guess! Then again you do realise that you are becoming known as CookseyNG right?
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 35 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 12-Jul-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (redrumloa):
>Sure, right.. uh huh. Why do you believe everything you read
>when it comes to MOS/Peggy Shawn? That announcement came from
>Thendic, who appear to be quite silly.
And you seem to believe all "12.218.x.x" says ?
Thendic annoucent that they had produced 50 boards in June and are
planning for up to 500 this month.
Another (and quite reliable) source tells me that they have splitted
this to some smaller runs, and that atleast another 50 boards were
made in the last week of June (at DCE by bPlan,NOT by DCE as you should
know).
The Pegasos uses the same northbrigde as the A1, but the southbridge is
one "generation" ahead, but that is something you should also know, or not ;)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 36 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 12-Jul-2002 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Kronos):
>>Another (and quite reliable) source tells me that they have splitted
this to some smaller runs, and that atleast another 50 boards were
made in the last week of June (at DCE by bPlan,NOT by DCE as you should
know).
So can we assume from this that DCE will make another 50 boards in July to replace the 50 boards they made in June which have since broken down?
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 37 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 12-Jul-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Darrin):
I think you should re-read what Kronos said..
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 38 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Jul-2002 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Kronos):
>(at DCE by bPlan,NOT by DCE as you should know).
That's kind of silly IMO. That's similar to a resturant(dce) who is known for poisoning people. Then a food distributor(Thendic) tries to convince you to eat at that very same resturant(dce) by telling you another chef(bplan) will be cooking there and that the resturant itself(dce) will have no involvement.
Quite silly.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 39 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 12-Jul-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (redrumloa):
Are you planning on eating the motherboards ? :)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 40 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Jul-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Leif):
No... Though I will probably make sweet love to my A1G3SE;-)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 41 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 12-Jul-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (redrumloa):
Probraly the best use for it !
But beware the transitors, those buggers can be quite sharp *outsch"
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 42 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Jul-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Kronos):
>But beware the transitors, those buggers can be quite sharp *outsch"
hehe can't be as bad an OC'ed 040 accelerator! OUCH is that hot!!
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 43 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jul-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (redrumloa):
The hotter the more fun it is!!
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 44 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 12-Jul-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (MIke last comment where done by me Mike):
"Secondly the Pegasos isnt the same as the pc nor the a1 which is a pc/macclone(Same archtiecture). Both of those use the northbridge architecture. The Pegasos uses soemthing akin to the SGi and ALpha making it much more powerful."
LOL, somebody better tell Eyetech that adding black paint or a small heat sink to the Articia S makes it "much more powerful". Take a closer look at your Pegasos and you'll see that the A1 and the Pegasos use the same Northbridge.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 45 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 12-Jul-2002 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (redrumloa):
>That's similar to a resturant(dce) who is known for poisoning people.
At least we know the name of the restaurant. Better than ordering something
from an unknown restaurant and then realizing that you are eating cats and
dogs ;)
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 46 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 12-Jul-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (redrumloa):
No... Though I will probably make sweet love to my A1G3SE;-)
---
As long as you use protection.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 47 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Embassy of the Peoples Rupublic of Korea on 12-Jul-2002 22:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (David Scheibler):
>>Better than ordering something from an unknown restaurant and then realizing that you are eating cats and dogs ;)
The Embassy of the great Peoples' Republic of Korea is velly insulted by your culinary-ist comments against our favorite national dishes. Cats and dogs are velly delicious especially when fried and we would like to remind you that we have a massive arsenal of chemical weapons pointed at your puny western burger-eating countries.
Fondest regards,
Woo Flung-Dung
Cultural Ambassador for East-West Co-operations
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 48 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 12-Jul-2002 23:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (anarchic_teapot):
> Terons are evaluation boards, to be used as a basis for creating your own POP
> solution; you couldn't just sell them as-is, there'd be too many missing functions.
Interesting, as these are the boards Eyetech are going to distribute in Europe according to http://www.mai.com/news&events/PressRelease070902_2.html.
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 49 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Nomad of Norad on 13-Jul-2002 05:15 GMT
Well, I finally found out who makes those nifty clear-plastic tower cases I've been seeing in all these photos, www.bacata.net has 'em!
Now if I can just find an American supplier for these puppies, I'll be all set! (I know some of their OTHER cases are available here, I've seen them in
magazine ads! One set of multi-tower full-height cases, available in different colors, on the bacata site is one I've seen being used for an American peecee company called Alienware or something of the sort.)
NoN
New photos of AmigaMania13 June French Meeting : Comment 50 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Gore on 13-Jul-2002 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Nomad of Norad):
"Now if I can just find an American supplier for these puppies, I'll be all set! "
http://www.lovermecases.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=L
They have the clear cases and more... they're located in CA.
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