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Posted on 22-Oct-2002 07:30 GMT by Jedi137 comments
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By Thendic-France on MorphOS-News.de :

"In complete cooperation with Mai Logic, we have loaded the bplan OpenFirmware on both the Teron CX and PX. MorphOS runs well on both boards. The Pegasos was developed as a open hardware platform right from the beginning; it uses a BIOS to simplify a port of any operating system to the platform. This OpenFirmware is a well known standard (IEEE1275) and is used worldwide by companies like SUN Microsystems, Apple, Cisco, IBM, Motorola and others. We will support any OS vendor willing to port their software to our platform and will allow them to use our retail channels to sell their products..."

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MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 101 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Anon - I hope to be welcome after the "vacation" ;):
> And ANOTHER one totally ignoring what the post he replies to said, yapping away with the exact same stuff that was refuted. Sigh!
Yup, your really ignoring what was said before and come up with things that arent valid.
> Numbnuts, that was addressed in the original post, you even quoted it before a non-sequitur response about how "common" it is to "lock software to hardware": "You simply do not need to have hardware distributors license their products, modify/supply them with h/w-license mechanisms and become distributors of your software product to achieve this. " Which is 100% true and fscking self explanatory.
Keeps your insults to yourself. Who cares if you "do not need to"?? It *is* common to lock software to specific hardware.
> Feel like addressing THAT instead of just REPEATING exactly what's being argued against?
>> " That whats the licensing process is about and anyone could apply for their own license for their hardware solution. "
> No shit Sherlock. The point is that nobody applies for such licenses. There's no incentive, only obligations.
Sure, let Amiga Inc take all the obligations that AmigaOS runs on every hardware a user wishes to try.
>> "Because it would be a too big an effort to support any possible hardware."
> It must run on as much hardware as possible, period, and be open to ports to any feasible hardware without compulsory licensing requirements in the way.
Why "must" it be? Care to explain?
> AmigaOS is the product, it needs to be sold, and a product needs the largest possible market. Keyword: Possible (or feasible, rather). It wouldn't even have to be Hyperion who did the job if they don't feel like it, and customer support for HARDWARE is provided by, surprise surprise, HARDWARE vendors.
Oh right. Ofcourse hardware vendors provide customer support for AmigaOS when they dont event want Amiga Inc to certify compatibility. Right on man.
>> The rest is of your post is utter "nonsense" as well. Next time bring facts
>> and not only your opinion.
> So you brought facts then? Right. As far as I'm concerned it seems like you're supporting competing options by being against the most basic prerequisite for AmigaOS to survive. But that's just my opinion, and we don't want opinions here, do we?
My opinion is that your opinion is plain wrong. You didnt bring any facts and that was my fact.
>> Now tell me again Apple doesnt lock its software to specific hardware.
> Who said that they don't? (Well, they don't technically, but that's another can of worms.)
> It's Apple's hardware, they make a living on selling Macs. Sure as fsck they "lock" their software to THEIR hardware. AInc or Hyperion don't have any hardware of their own.
Ah, so you agree with me, it is common to lock software to hardware.
> I DON'T want a piece of what you're smoking! I doubt I could handle that kind of alternate reality. Anyone is free to run anything they damn please on a Mac. Again, Apple makes a living on their hardware. If you buy it, yo're free to run Linux on it, port Atari STOS to it or use it as a boat anchor, or *GASP* port AmigaOS to it. Hell, NEW Macs are even sold with Linux preinstalled on them FFS! Does the "theoretically" only apply if one abuses hallucinogenic substances?
Did i mention anywhere locking hardware to software? Do you always artificially heat up and then entirely miss the point?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 102 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by KillSamface on 23-Oct-2002 13:34 GMT
"If Amiga Inc think about selling Amiga branded condoms, I might think about having sexual relationships one day"..
-Samface june 2012-
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 103 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 23-Oct-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (takemehomegrandma):
"No it won't! And you know, it only has to be cracked once, and then the whole dongle thing is totally obsolete..."
People are making way too much out of this issue. Let's face it, if it's in the interest of these parties to increase revenue (and it is) they will come to an agreement.
It really comes down to the fact that OS4 and MorphOS have dongles - you basically need to buy the boards to make it worth using. Existing PPC board users that don't want to pay for either OS will simply find a way to run an illegal copy. They are a lost cause.
And how many people buying new hardware are going to pick up a bare board just to avoid paying for the OS? Instead or worrying about losing sales to people that wouldn't spend a nickel to see an earthquake, it's more productive to encourage people to make honest purchases.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 104 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 23-Oct-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (KillSamface):
I wonder if a nick like yours are enough to be banned from ANN?
Because you don't agree with Samface a nick like "KillSamface" is still way out of line.
Can we please get some registration here on ANN.. Please, please, pleeeeeaase:-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 105 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by KillTroels E on 23-Oct-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Troels E):
>Can we please get some registration here on ANN.. Please, please, pleeeeeaase:-
No . ;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 106 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 23-Oct-2002 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (alan buxey):
Open Firmware as it is implemented on Apple hardware automatically finds which partitions are boot-able so you can choose them graphically. You don't need to manyally type in this path unless something is broken. My only point is OF is extremely flexible and you can make the interface as high or low level as you wish.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 107 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 23-Oct-2002 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anonymous):
Well actually it's true, Apple doesn't lock their software to their hardware. At least for now.
I'm running Mac OS X on a clone. Mac OS X is only "supported" on G3 series macs or later, but this is running on a 604e.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 108 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 23-Oct-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Seehund):
Everybody ought to click on the "Comment 74" link above. Seehund nailed several points on the head.
You Amiga apologists make me feel ill. Can't you think for yourselves instead of repeating all of Amiga Inc.'s excuses?
Think about it, what is the difference between Amiga Inc. or Hyperion releasing AmigaOS 4 shrink wrapped with a USB dongle versus bPlan selling a Pegasos bundled with AmigaOS with a USB dongle? It certainly isn't piracy fears. (Heck all this discussion over dongles is ridiculous, why not just register the OS within the first month of use? I submit that would be a more effective piracy control than an expensive USB dongle.)
AmigaOne and Pegasos use the same chip set. The QA concerns are also ridiculous.
What this is REALLY about is control over the hardware and the hardware companies. bPlan doing something Amiga Inc. et al doesn't like? Yank the license!
Let's say AOS4 runs on the Pegasos because it is licensed to run on it, then the Pegasos2 comes out. Well the Pegasos2 isn't licensed is it? That means you'll have to fooking BEG for a new license all over again. If bPlan goes alone with this nazi license system they would be at Amiga's mercy. This is ludicrous!
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 109 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 23-Oct-2002 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (KillSamface):
Amiga Inc. better repackage horsemeat as AmigaFood™ or else Samface will starve!
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 110 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Oct-2002 00:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (KillSamface):
LOL!! Well, atleast I'll be safe... :-P
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 111 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Oct-2002 01:35 GMT
Guys, guys, guys... Let's atleast try to pretend that we are civilized, ok?
Here's the deal:
Amiga Incorporated has decided to only support third party products of third parties that is willing to cooperate. They've made their reasons very clear and considering the IP thievery going around lately, who can blame them?
"Sure, of course we will support your hardware that is already bundled with the alternative. I mean, why wouldn't we want to compete against a free and reverse engineered version of our own product?"
C'mon guys, time to get realistic. It isn't about restricting the OS, it's about drawing a line and saying; "this is our platform". Amiga Inc. doesn't own the PPC market, the POP market, the PDA market, the Amiga community nor Amiga magazines. BUT, the trademark and the Amiga platform is per definition theirs. Just like when Commodore created the Amiga market back in those days, Amiga Inc. is trying to recreate it today. They were pretty much ready to support any Amiga hardware out there until the MorphOS team decided to become commercial competitors to the original of their reverse engineered product that is.
Sure, there's nothing wrong with competition. Amiga was actually the competition back then, giving Apple a really hard time. However, you have to realize the difference; Amiga didn't claim to be a next generation Macintosh and neither was our OS compatible despite that we used the same processor family. Amiga was, and still is about something new rather than simply beeing an alternative.
You guys can argue over the details for as long as you want, I don't care. No matter what you say or do; Amiga Inc. will never cooperate with bPlan or Thendic-France as long as they are favoring MorphOS, and MorphOS will never be an "Amiga" OS as long as they try to be AmigaOS. It's simple, really. What's the point in arguing about it?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 112 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 24-Oct-2002 04:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (samface):
I just rolled your last bit over and over in my head, and I think you're right.
The only way MOS can be an "Amiga" OS, is by not trying to be "AmigaOS". I really don't think it stands a chance there. Why is there no Be-Box (for BeOS compatibility), M-Box (Macintosh compatibility) or N-Box (Nintendo 64) for that matter?
Can it be that Thendic is afraid of going up against someone who has more money than them? ;-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 113 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 24-Oct-2002 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (samface):
> You guys can argue over the details for as long as you want, I don't care. No
> matter what you say or do; Amiga Inc. will never cooperate with bPlan or
> Thendic-France as long as they are favoring MorphOS, and MorphOS will never
> be an "Amiga" OS as long as they try to be AmigaOS. It's simple, really.
> What's the point in arguing about it?
Guy, that's YOUR point of view. But you aren't Amiga Inc. or Thendic-France/bPlan, and you can't know what will be the future.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 114 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2002 05:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (strobe):
> Everybody ought to click on the "Comment 74" link above. Seehund nailed several points on the head.
Right. He fantasized about what might be.
> You Amiga apologists make me feel ill. Can't you think for yourselves instead of repeating all of Amiga Inc.'s excuses?
Ofcourse you dont simply repeat what others, eg seehund, are babbling?
> Think about it, what is the difference between Amiga Inc. or Hyperion releasing AmigaOS 4 shrink wrapped with a USB dongle versus bPlan selling a Pegasos bundled with AmigaOS with a USB dongle? It certainly isn't piracy fears.
While youre arguing about dongles think about pegasos' unique hardware id.
> What this is REALLY about is control over the hardware and the hardware companies. bPlan doing something Amiga Inc. et al doesn't like? Yank the license!
Care to tell how much Amiga Inc. gets for such a license? You dont even know? Too bad.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 115 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by LorD on 24-Oct-2002 06:05 GMT
I don't understand how Morphos can be different from AmigaOS since developpers are long time Amiga user/programmers... it is only a new step with new features and full PPC. Yes it is not AmigaOS... only because of the name new features...
I'm sure you never used it to say that... I'm using everyday my Pegasos under MOS/Ambient and I feel the same pleasure when I used my Amiga :-).
So keep cool and instead of spreading lies or unfounded comments, try to see how mos is working...
Is it easy to comment something you never seen ? yes... far too easy.
I've nothing against AmigaOS4, but be open minded please...
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 116 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 24-Oct-2002 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (LorD):
I'm in the same case as LorD. I 100 % agree.
Everyone should be * open minded *
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 117 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 24-Oct-2002 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (mahen):
Bon, c'est fini avec tous les français là, on va finir par se croire chez nous, sur le forum d'AmigaImpact.com ;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 118 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 24-Oct-2002 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Jedi):
Scus' Seb, mais bon, à part nous et les allemands, y'a pas bcp
de pegasos-iens par là, non ?
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 119 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 24-Oct-2002 07:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (mahen):
Je crois aussi :-/
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 120 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by LorD on 24-Oct-2002 08:04 GMT
@Jedi : do you know that a forum does not work like a Chat session (cf. Amiga Impact and here now :-p)
You are welcome on the #amigaimpact IRC chatroom ;-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 121 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 24-Oct-2002 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Ole-Egil):
>Why is there no Be-Box (for BeOS compatibility), M-Box (Macintosh compatibility) or N-Box (Nintendo 64) for that matter?
Please take a look at http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&nid=118, comment 26.
"However, OpenBeOS (http://www.openbeos.org/) and ZetaOS (http://www.yellowtab.com) for example, are active projects that interest us very much. Why couldn't we have a "B-Box" running on the Quark kernel of MorphOS? (Thendic/bplan)"
Of course not all *-Boxes are planned. We do hope that one day MacOS will run natively on our board. As for other Boxes like N64-Box, PS2-Box it's quite possible that they could be available in the future with emulation. There is an PS2 emulator running on Linux...;-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 122 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 24-Oct-2002 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (LorD):
@LorD: it's easier for me to go on forums than on IRC at work (I can't install an IRC client where I'm working...).
;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 123 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 24-Oct-2002 11:02 GMT
bPlan/Thendic have just posted more interesting information concerning the Pegasos Firmware & Articia S :
<a href="http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&nid=118">http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&nid=118</a>
Comment #26 :
"bplan/Thendic (24-Oct-2002, 09:20:29) - [ Answer | Singleview ]
Hello Mr. Anonymous, you sound like an educated engineer. It would be better to speak with you face to face and not like this, but here goes...
The core specification, IEEE Std 1275-1994, IEEE Standard for Boot Firmware (Initialization Configuration) is listed in accordance with "Firmware: Core Requirements and Practices (ISBN Number: 1-55937-426-8)" and is only available from the IEEE Standards Organization. For ordering and pricing information, you have to use the searchable index at the IEEE Standards page. Here you will find what you seek.
If you would like to meet we would be pleased to discuss this with you more fully.
As to your other questions:
Is it possible to use ordinary various X86 PCI cards with the new bplan Firmware?
Yes, this feature has been added to the BIOS and was written by bplan.
Concerning the new PowerPC970: today it is not possible to use this CPU with the Pegasos; however in the future it will be. We do not have a sample yet! We cannot offer it to you until IBM releases the product commercially. We have a close relationship with IBM (and Motorola) and we do get samples of new chips to test them well ahead of product releases, but we do not have samples of this CPU yet. It should not be too much trouble for us to gets this running. The engineering that supports a product like this is at the highest professional level and the documentation is very good making our job much easier.
BeOS was originally developed for the Hobbit CPU and was very early on re-directed to the PowerPC, later shifting again toward the x86. What is interesting is that there are significant BeOS developments in both the x86 and PPC environments. What is left of the official BeOS is now owned by PalmSource (http://www.palmsource.com). What is being done there we do not know. However, OpenBeOS (http://www.openbeos.org/) and ZetaOS (http://www.yellowtab.com) for example, are active projects that interest us very much. Why couldn't we have a "B-Box" running on the Quark kernel of MorphOS?
:-)
Or, a U-Box using BSD...
@strobe
We would like to work with you on this!
We own this Firmware, parts are licensed and parts are written by us.
Sincerely,
Thendic/bplan"
And Comment #28 :
"bplan/Thendic (24-Oct-2002, 10:41:29) - [ Answer | Singleview ]
Well, you are referring to the Articia S. The Articia Sa is a 166MHz PowerPC chipset that includes advanced features like AGP, PCIX and DDR SDRAM. The Articia P has AGP4X, PCIX and DDR SDRAM features. It has 166MHz CPU bus speed, SMP for dual CPUs, a 60x and MPX Bus, 333MHz DDR SDRAM or a 166MHz SDRAM interface, DMA controllers, LPC interface, Interrupt Controller, Global Timers, Clock Generator, SMBus, iMemory, a Floating Buffer, Triple DES, and three PCI Interfaces. The Mai Articia family of chipsets are "bus-centric" and have a "5-bus" design that provides a balanced architecture that enables both powerful device-to-bus and bus-to-bus accessibility.
...and there is no "Pegasos II" -- just stack-on the next one or upgrade the CPU card!
;-)
bplan/Thendic"
;)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 124 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 24-Oct-2002 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Jedi):
Uhm, so there's not gonna be a Pegasos 2, but it will be possible to use the Articia Sa nevertheless? Sorry, that's complete BS. Call it what you want, but it's gonna be a completely new product if it's gonna have a different Northbridge. Oh, and using a 900MHz FSB CPU on a 133MHz FSB northbridge means it's gonna be severly crippled. Also, if you try to solve the speed difference by making an "accelerator" card like the Classic Amiga has, you'll end up with "chip" ram and "fast" ram (DMA from the motherboard only into the 133MHz memory on the motherboard. Only the CPU will be able to write directly to local 900MHz memory. Not a very exciting idea.)
I would much rather see a new motherboard than a kludge like that.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 125 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 24-Oct-2002 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Ole-Egil):
@Ole-Egil:
See their answer (#30) to my question if there would be no Peg-2:
"@Senex
Absolutely not!
The Pegasos is/will be a great desktop machine! We just meant you do not have to wait for II. You can upgrade! The chipset and CPU work better together than the bus speed would indicate to the earlier poster.
We won't be accused of neglecting the desktop market again...;-)
(but, you have noticed laptop sales continue to go up and in some cases are even sold without batteries now -- the just need the nearest outlet.)
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill"
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 126 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Senex):
> We won't be accused of neglecting the desktop market again...;-)
I can see it now:
Upgrade by replacing your old Pegasos with the new Pegasos, it has a completely
new motherboard and does not work with the old plug in CPU modules....
It's not Pegasos II, its just a completely "refreshed" Pegasos.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 127 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 24-Oct-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Anonymous):
Well, at least you won't need to change the motherboard to have a faster G3 or a G4.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 128 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 24-Oct-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Jacek Piszczek):
Interesting... the developers appear to want MorphOS to be available for every platform under the sun, but when anyone brings up x86 architectures it falls on deaf ears. And we all know that the endian argument is manageable: it all boils down to pride masked as some anti-piracy argument. If the Amiga community thought with their wallets instead of their hearts the world would be a better place.
According to reports, there are 600 million active computer systems, most of which are Wintel platforms. Even if a microscopic percentage of legitimate users on x86 boxes bought MorphOS or OS4 it would be significantly larger than any of the current target platforms.
Let's face it: the Pegasos is a dongle for MorphOS and AmigaOne is a dongle for OS4.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 129 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 24-Oct-2002 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Anonymous):
"It's not Pegasos II, its just a completely "refreshed" Pegasos."
My point excactly, and I did say:
"Call it what you want..."
Call it what you want, if it's a new motherboard with a new chipset and a new CPU, it's NOT the same machine. Calling it an upgrade instead of a replacement is pure BS.
And the part about the CPU and chipset working well together, what the heck was that about? Some people need to cut down on the pills and start making some more sense. Or even better (and this is a good one): People doing software should ask the people who do hardware before opening their mouths in public. I'll tell you right now, if you want to use anything faster than a 133MHz 60x FSB CPU (166MHz, MPX etc) you'll be wanting to replace the whole shebang.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 130 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 24-Oct-2002 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (anonymous):
"Let's face it: the Pegasos is a dongle for MorphOS and AmigaOne is a dongle for OS4. "
And it finances the OS and applications development, maintain the dealers in business. Well it creates a market.
And there is no such thing as a commercial desktop x86 OS that is a market by itself.
Maybe you prefer to finance Windows drivers development for big PC corporations. I finance the Amiga / MorphOS market with my money.
If AmigaOS / MorphOS goes well and become big enough to step in in the x86 market, fine with me but be carefull of the big sharks out there ...
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 131 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 24-Oct-2002 17:54 GMT
The difference between the two is if, for example, you buy a Teron PX, you may buy MorphOS as a separate product and install it on your machine. If you want to use AmigaOS the hardware company has to get (or rather buy) a special license and bundle the OS with the hardware.
Amiga Inc. is using your loyalty to the "Amiga" term to bully hardware companies (not to mention push AmigaDE as some kind of Amiga Everywhere).
I wish you people would wake up and see what's going on here.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 132 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Mediator on 24-Oct-2002 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (samface):
@Samface
Hold on, hold on.
You wrote
"Sure, of course we will support your hardware that is already bundled with the alternative. I mean, why wouldn't we want to compete against *a free and reverse engineered version* of our own product?" (I put the emphasis there)
I SO hope that this is an AInc official comment. Proves you are mumbling. You *ever* told you that, even if we *ASSUME* that it was done, reverse engineering is illegal??? Let me enlighten your ignorance just a bit:
Council Directive 91/250/EEC of 14 May 1991 on the legal protection of
computer programs
[....]
Article 6 Decompilation
1. The authorization of the rightholder shall not be required where reproduction of the
code and translation of its form within the meaning of Article 4 (a) and (b) are
indispensable to obtain the information necessary to achieve the interoperability of an
independently created computer program with other programs, provided that the
following conditions are met:
(a) these acts are performed by the licensee or by another person having a right to use
a copy of a program, or on their behalf by a person authorized to to so;
(b) the information necessary to achieve interoperability has not previously been
readily available to the persons referred to in subparagraph (a); and
(c) these acts are confined to the parts of the original program which are necessary to
achieve interoperability.
[...]
i.e., reverse engineering is allowed. Sorry
Conclusion. A) You do not know what you are talking about. You meant to say *stolen sourcecode* which an urban myth.
B)You do not know what you are talking about because you only want to justify the unjustifiable
Solution: Better abstain from any conversation that you lack the necessary foundation so as to make it valid and intelligent. I mean, if you had written a single program code ever in your life, this is something that you would have read at least once. I know I did
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 133 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 24-Oct-2002 22:52 GMT
This doesn't even have to relate to reverse engineering.
Reverse engineering usually involves a long process by which one person studies a technology and creates a specification. That specification is then handed to another person (usually by notary public) who then implements it.
However in order to write applications using an API, the API has to be known as does the behavior of that API. One cannot patent an API so I don't see where the "reverse" part enters this situation. The same is true with the ABI. It's like saying implementing your own POSIX compatible library is reverse engineering.
Anyway so long MorphOS is written without Amiga Inc. source or machine code there's no case. If there is a case let's see it in an actual lawsuit!
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 134 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2002 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Ole-Egil):
>Why is there no Be-Box (for BeOS compatibility), M-Box (Macintosh compatibility) or N-Box (Nintendo 64) for that matter?
http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=118&page=26
:-)
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 135 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 28-Oct-2002 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Seehund):
[Quote]
Why are there no compulsory licensing demands made at peripherals companies like ATI, NVidia, Crucial, Kingston, Symbios, 3com and so on to provide licensed "AmigaRAM-SE", "AmigaGraphicsCard-XE" and so on through selected distributors? That's where compatibility issues usually arise, but such an arrangement would be equally ridiculous.
[/Quote]
Amiga Inc maybe following Palm (and to some extent MS's Windows CE) licensing model.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 136 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 28-Oct-2002 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (McGreg):
> I can tell you my g3-600 is faster than your 1.8Ghz athlon.at
least compared with sysspeed.
I can tell you my 1.7Ghz Athlon XP is faster than your g3-600. at least compared with Quake I fps.
MorphOS, the Pegasos, and other PPC Operating Systems and Platforms : Comment 137 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 28-Oct-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Mediator):
That wasn't supposed to be interpreted as an official Amiga Inc. policy or anything near it, it was sarcasm. My point was; how much sense would it make *if* that was to be their reasoning?
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