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Posted on 14-Nov-2002 04:14 GMT by Scott Pistorino91 comments
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Posted by strobe on 14-Nov-2002 20:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Seehund):
Especially if the costs are artificial.
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Posted by AlK on 14-Nov-2002 20:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Seehund):
Most Amigans would happily pay a 10 bucks 'support license'-addon for any board
just to get rid of those 'black hole companies' that were not so uncommon in
the Amiga market. Know what I mean?
Hyperion OTOH does fully support the licensing scheme as they only get money for
every _sold_ copy of AmigaOS4. Even without the license you'd most probably
not see AmigaOS4 on anything other than the AmigaOne (apart from CS/BPPC).
Or, even more probably, we would not get OS4 at all then... :(
Rest your case. Freedom is not always as 'free' as you think.
Ciao, Alex
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Posted by strobe on 14-Nov-2002 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (AlK):
It sounds like you're assuming a LOT.
Not everybody follows your purchasing habits. I mean what are you, a demographic of one?
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Posted by AlK on 14-Nov-2002 20:57 GMT
Well done, Scott. Kudos <applaudes> ;-)
Its even quite obvious who's the next one you have to interview, isn't it?
His name's "Bill" (no, not Gates.. ;-)
Ciao, Alex
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Posted by @anonymous on 14-Nov-2002 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Seehund):
@Seehund
'Of course getting licensed is not free. TANSTAAFL. It's Cost in either case, and what matters is that this extra Cost is not there when the hardware vendor sells his product "normally".'
The issue has never been financial in any way, shape or form: it's political. Obviously Thendic does not want to cause any strife with bPlan and while it appears that the MorphOS/Pegasos bundling arrangement is non-exclusive, they are operating as strategic partners. If OS4/Pegasos bundles cut into any existing agreements it would prove to be embarrassing. Ironically, what better way for Thendic to promote MorphOS than to provide the Pepsi challenge? Like your Pegasos with OS4? Wait until you try MorphOS.
Either way, there is a cost to doing business. Meeting the Amiga OEM licensing requirements is a nominal investment for an opportunity to increase revenue. If a vendor doesn't understand the need to comply with basic levels of service and support they don't have to. Certification most definitely still exists in the Wintel/Mac markets and the economy of scale is tremendous.
The Amiga market has long been plagued by fruitcake companies that ask us to spend our money and then when they lose interest they disappear and abandon us. It's time that we *all* expect and demand better.
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Posted by strobe on 14-Nov-2002 21:02 GMT
OK, the answer Fleecy gave to question #11 is really bothering me.
How can you claim theft occurred and then just wait, especially since that claim is based on some kind of technicality? I'm not a lawyer, but that's just plain unethical. You can't make threats, do nothing, then years later act on them.
If I owned a business and somebody claimed my product was based on a corporate secret or whatever, the ball is in my court. I will either fold or call, I will cease or I will go ahead. Now the ball is in their court, they can't just wait until I've thrown more money into my project until they act in an effort to stop it!
This is ridiculous.
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Posted by @anonymous on 14-Nov-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (strobe):
@strobe
"How can you claim theft occurred and then just wait, especially since that claim is based on some kind of technicality?... Now the ball is in their court, they can't just wait until I've thrown more money into my project until they act in an effort to stop it!"
C'mon. You mean you'd immediately inform someone that is using your intellectual property rather than building a solid case and then squeezing a competitor's onions at their most vulnerable moment? This is a poker game, you don't tip your hand before you've collected your winnings.
If you're insinuating (as most others have) that Amiga have failed to go after bPlan it can be due to a number of reasons. Whether Amiga has a compelling case or not is immaterial. It could be a bluff. One thing is for sure: if I were Thendic I certainly wouldn't be taunting anyone about legal action on their web site, I'd be busy pulling/rewriting any incriminating code before it goes out the door.
The funny thing is that this industry is so small that all of these players talk to one another on a regular basis. The biggest scam is that we all get sucked into it like it's Temptation Island. If they spent half the time developing products rather than jerking each other around we'd all be using these systems by now.
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Posted by strobe on 14-Nov-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (@anonymous):
>I'd be busy pulling/rewriting any incriminating code before it goes out the door.
What "incriminating code"?!?!
You don't get it. Either ask for a cease&desist or sue or BOTH. You can't lob sue threats and then do nothing. bPlan has already called, where is Amiga's hand?!
This is totally unethical. Are there any actual LAWYERS in the house?
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Posted by strobe on 14-Nov-2002 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (@anonymous):
I'll tell you another thing: If there was no incriminating code I would be taunting Amiga just like bPlan is!
If I were a Judge (and I'm not even a lawyer) I would look for some precedent saying whether you can claim publicly that you've been robbed, then do nothing for years, then sue only when the product starts making money. I mean that's just VILE
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Posted by Seehund on 14-Nov-2002 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (@anonymous):
@ 216.221.81.99
> The issue has never been financial in any way, shape or form: it's political.
With all due respect, I think you're concentrating too much on the muddy little Amiga pond, i.e. that tired old "MorphOS vs. AmigaOS" or "Pegasos vs. Teron" thing. In that case, politics quite likely have a bigger influence than financial issues.
> Meeting the Amiga OEM licensing requirements is a nominal investment for an
> opportunity to increase revenue.
The only possible way in which getting a license from a company like AInc to be allowed to distribute a piece of software like AmigaOS could be seen as an "investment" would again be in the little mudpool known as the "Amiga market." Only there could being allowed to sell your stuff to AmigaOS users possibly be regarded as a "privilege" worth to pay for.
Look at Apple, the biggest and most important manufacturer/vendor of consumer PPC hardware. The obvious #1 target for a consumer PPC OS which is dependent on a hardware base from third parties. How many seconds would an Apple exec look at an "offer" of getting a license to dongle their hardware and sell it bundled with some little company's niche/enthusiast OS, before throwing it in the trashcan devoted to "sick jokes"? 2 seconds? 10?
What if a third party decided to distribute AInc-licensed Macs? Would an OS only allowed to be bought bundled with and run on a "special" version of common hardware, from "special" vendors at a "special" price, be considered an even remotely attractive OS by the consumers? Of course not.
There are *both* political and financial issues.
Terons, Pegasoses, Macs, Barbies, whatever current and future hardware. None of them are dependent on AmigaOS. AmigaOS is dependent on being able and allowed to run on as many of them as possible, and be sold in as large numbers as possible.
> Certification most definitely still exists in the Wintel/Mac markets and the
> economy of scale is tremendous.
Certification has sweet FA to do with the current situation. If it had, then the Teron CX as distributed by Eyetech wouldn't have been announced as licensed hardware until the final release of AmigaOS 4.0 had been running and QAd on it. The updated "consumer revision" of the Teron CX didn't physically exist at the time of AInc's April announcement. Then, all of a sudden the Teron PX is announced as licensed with its own "AmigaOne" trademark. Noone at AInc had still seen a CX. Then, someone discovers that the northbridge is buggy even in the "consumer revision" of the CX - the already licensed A1G3SE. The "strict set of Quality Assurance certifications" that the marketing speaks of is evidently bollocks. This is only about restriction and control of the hardware market for AmigaOS users. The sole licensee and co-inventor of the licensing idea has apparently been given a carte blanche license for any product they might consider distributing.
Windows certification is not comparable to this. As Windows is the absolutely dominating desktop OS, getting a Windows sticker on your box and distributing Windows with your computer is potentially *attractive* to vendors of complete computer systems, and the certification is not compulsory in order to have Windows running on your hardware, and Windows is available for purchase separately, and it's not compulsory bundled with motherboards capable of running it. Same thing with the "Made for Mac" sticker and the MPG - it's merely a guarantee that the stuff will work with Mac hardware and OSes, it's stuff "recommended by Apple." It's nothing compulsory. AInc could do the same thing, it would be a good idea, but it has nothing to do with *compulsory* hardware licensing/dongling/bundling. That is simply fscked up.
Look beyond the dungheap that is the current Amiga market.
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Posted by Rob on 14-Nov-2002 23:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Seehund):
An independant retailer would have to provide a replacement for the
Pegasos ROM, either by flashing it or swapping the Chip altogether
,this would obviously cost them time and money. The 2 year warranty
from Thendic would probably be invalidated in the process leaving the
retailer (or more likely you, the consumer) to bear the cost if your
500 euro motherboard packs up.
Any retailer who tried to provide an OS4 enabled Pegasos would be
completely mad.
Thendic have the facilities to produce an OS4 dongled Pegasos without
cost being an issue. However they already have an OS and its
understandable that they are not interested in helping to distribute
OS4.
The funny thing is that if MorphOS didn't exist in its own right then
none of this would be an issue. Thendic would jump at the chance of
an OS4 license and only the pirates would be kicking up a fuss.
This issue is purely political.
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Posted by Rob on 14-Nov-2002 23:40 GMT
And if you don't believe its purely political. Have a look at a
bigger part of the picture.
Same as I posted on amiga.org before it went down:
Elbox has signed up the OS4 license they have no issue with it.
although they do have some funny ideas about sending their SharkPPC to
exernal developers. I'm sure they will do the right thing when the
time comes though, sending one now would be pointless as it would have
to wait until the Aone version was done anyway.
Matay also have signed up and said they would support OS4 with any
future PPC hardware they might provide.
Two Amiga companies with no OS interest of their own don't see the
license as an issue. So why do some people ignore the truth and
insist its some sort of A Inc/Hyperion/Eyetech conspiricy.
The fact of the matter is that Thendic itself isn't interested in
supporting OS4 and an independant retailer would have to be able
to invest at least a 6 figure number in order to make such a project
viable.
Sorry but I think Thendic know this all too well.
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Posted by strobe on 14-Nov-2002 23:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Rob):
>Thendic have the facilities to produce an OS4 dongled Pegasos without
cost being an issue.
BULLSHIT!
Not only is there a cost incolved with the dongle BS, there is a HUGE cost incolved with complying with the Amiga license which includes supporting an OS we dont know anything about yet!
Not only are there costs, we don't know the full extent of them!
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Posted by strobe on 14-Nov-2002 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Rob):
>The fact of the matter is that Thendic itself isn't interested in
supporting OS4 and an independant retailer would have to be able
to invest at least a 6 figure number in order to make such a project
viable.
And Thendic wouldn't?!
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Posted by Steff on 14-Nov-2002 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (SlimJim):
Well there is always this bit from the transcript of Ben's speach ay the WOASE:
"And finally, an important goal is to prepare
the AmigaOS as a host operating system for the AmigaDE. Some of you might have mixed
feelings about AmigaDE, but you'll agree that it is a bit silly to call something
Amiga-whatever and not have it run on Amiga and only on windows and linux, so..
plus, it brings in a bunch of nice games, and a java engine, which I think is a nice
benefit."
It was said in regards to the "goals of Amiga OS 4.0" which I interperate as meaning they are working on just that "prepare
the AmigaOS as a host operating system for the AmigaDE"
Thx to Andreas Loong for doing the transcript and of course to Scott for the Fleecy Interview!
Both are very informative!
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Posted by Rob on 15-Nov-2002 00:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (strobe):
@Strobe
Thendic are having Pegasos boards built anyway, having a different Rom
in some models wouldn't cause a great problem.
If an Independant retailer wanted to sell OS4 activated Pegasos
boards they would have to commission a run themselves or at least buy
a large amount of Thendic's stock and change the Roms manually.
Do you really think they would order each board and copy of OS4
individually upon request from end users?
If the license itself was so costly, do you think Eyetech would be so
willing to pay it?
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Posted by Rob on 15-Nov-2002 00:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (strobe):
@Strobe
OS4 is produced by Hyperion it is based on original source many
elements are being rewritten for speficly for PPC ExecSG is a complete
rewrite. You can find out feature of the TCP stack, disc tools, 68k
emulation and other elements from many different sources.
There is much more information publicly available about OS4 than
MorphOS. How can you say we know nothing about OS4.
When someone gives you a rational argument why do have to resort to
abusive language to try and get your message accross. I have seen
this kind of behaviour many times and usually people who behave in
this manner are actually wrong.
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Posted by strobe on 15-Nov-2002 00:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Rob):
Eyetech doesn't have anything else. The license is already part of their business (or business to be). Thendic would have to incur EXTRA costs.
As for the ROM business we're talking about extra bits of code in the firmware to create some (easily bypassed) dongle. If they ahve to replace the entire ROM with something Das U-Boot-based (which would be insane) you would have to port this firmware to a board which already has working firmware then in order to boot MorphOS yo would have to flash it with the original firmware again. This is insane!
Didn't it take 2.6 friggin months to get this firmware working ont he friggin Teron board?! By Amiga's own admission no less!
Rob, stop living in a costless dream world, and stop inventing ways to support your psychosis. Thendic is a business, not a government. This isn't politicis, this is economics.
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Posted by Rob on 15-Nov-2002 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (strobe):
I'm sure it wouldn't take 2½ months to get PPC Boot running on the
Pegasos if it were necessary. I'm sure the dongle code could just be
integrated into the firmware Bplan are already using anyway though.
As for living in some sort of costless fantasy world, why would I say
that it would be a financial strain for a third party to license OS4
for Pegasos if this was the case.
Do you still have to resort to abusive language and try to discredit
someone who has an oppinion that doesn't fit your agenda?
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Posted by James Carroll on 15-Nov-2002 00:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (strobe):
@strobe
quote "Not only is there a cost incolved with the dongle BS, there is a HUGE cost incolved with complying with the Amiga license which includes supporting an OS we dont know anything about yet!"
You dont know anything about OS 4.0 yet? It's basically OS 3.9, with the added features mentioned on the AmigaOS site (www.amiga.com, click on the AmigaOS site, click on OS 4.0, click on feature list link). How you can say we dont know anything about it is beyond me.
If you have technical questions, theres the OS 4.0 mailing list on the yahoo groups site. Questions get answered there every day by OS 4.0 programmers.
.. but you already knew all that didnt you.
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Posted by Steff on 15-Nov-2002 00:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (strobe):
Strange how some people refuse to understand or are they just playing dumb?
You can't be entirely stupid?
The costs would have been "nil", zero had they included the "dongle" rom from the start which they obviously weren't interested in from the beginning.
Thendic (or bplan or both) obviously have their own agenda and thats just fine by me.
The name Amiga is the only relevant factor here.
An independent OS without a known trademark (even if it was very, very good) doesn't have a chance on the market today. BEOS would attest to that!
MorphOS will have it's greatest period this year! Next year it'll be gone!
AmigaOS has a very slim chance of making it if things are handled correctly.
Along with the DE they may make it into the market!
Wouldn't that be nice!
Everyone who insist on diversity as a good thing for the Amiga market consider this:
Even if MorphOS and AmigaOS are 100% compatible with 68k programs, how compatible will the two systems be with each other at the next upgrade!
We're talking two completely different OS's here in a market big enough for one at the max.
And the one will be named AmigaOS and nothing else!
:)
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Posted by Amiga's-r-gone on 15-Nov-2002 01:03 GMT
I think Amiga is pretty much dead as a commercial platform... sad but true...we now have liars at the helm leading a weakly constructed ship...
OS4 is 100% opposite what it's original intent was..
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Posted by James Carroll on 15-Nov-2002 01:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Amiga's-r-gone):
@anonymous fuckwit
"OS4 is 100% opposite what it's original intent was.."
It's original intent was to move AmigaOS to PPC hardware while implementing modern features such as memory protection, and untying it from the classic amiga custom chipset.
You dont have a fucking clue do you?
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Posted by the bandito on 15-Nov-2002 01:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (James Carroll):
James Carroll likes little boys.
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Posted by Troels E on 15-Nov-2002 01:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Amiga's-r-gone):
"OS4 is 100% opposite what it's original intent was.."
Could you please explain that in further detail?
@Strobe
We have been given much more details about what OS4 will be than what Morphos is (or will be, when it gets out of Beta..).
Ok, the kernel and a few elements are all theres shown but things will soon be finished (Cyberstorm version).
Morphos has been shown at various shows but no details have been told about the OS itself. And all you could see at the shows was an unstable OS that crashed quite easily and was behaving strange when you moved windows around the screen.
Wondering if morphos ever makes it out of beta:-)
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Posted by strobe on 15-Nov-2002 01:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Rob):
>As for living in some sort of costless fantasy world, why would I say
that it would be a financial strain for a third party to license OS4
for Pegasos if this was the case.
At the same time saying Thendic could do it at no cost!
That's just a damned lie.
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Posted by Pimpin' Troll Daddy on 15-Nov-2002 01:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (José):
Actually, Intel is one of the biggest investors in Linux projects - its in their interests to have an open OS as a testbed for new architectures and the like (ia64).
Of course, on my x86 boxen I've run several flavours of Linux, BSD, BeOS (my favourite by far), even tried a test AROS boot.
Oh yeah, I run Windows too. I like actually "doing stuff" with my computer - optimising my startup-sequence isn't really that fun these days.
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Nov-2002 04:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Seehund):
"AInc could do the same thing, it would be a good idea, but it has nothing to do with *compulsory* hardware licensing/dongling/bundling. That is simply fscked up."
Ok, we've read the vitriol many times. You don't believe that the motives are genuine, based on financial interest or politics. So what's your point?
"Look beyond the dungheap that is the current Amiga market."
Er... if we're not referring to the Amiga exactly what context should we be considering?
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Nov-2002 04:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (strobe):
@strobe
'What "incriminating code"?!?!'
Good question. Were you not referring to the insinuation that bPlan is being scrutinized for this possibility?
"You don't get it. Either ask for a cease&desist or sue or BOTH. You can't lob sue threats and then do nothing. bPlan has already called, where is Amiga's hand?!"
I think you're having some difficulty with the process here. No formal legal action has been initiated, just thinly veiled threats, denial and innuendo -- and all in public fora. Were you expecting something real to happen and disappointed that it didn't?
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Nov-2002 04:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (strobe):
@strobe
"I'll tell you another thing: If there was no incriminating code I would be taunting Amiga just like bPlan is!"
Oh that would really win the hearts and minds of a lot of people. Responding to allegations with 'nya nya' conveys genuine professionalism.
"If I were a Judge (and I'm not even a lawyer) I would look for some precedent saying whether you can claim publicly that you've been robbed, then do nothing for years, then sue only when the product starts making money. I mean that's just VILE"
If all this relates back to Bill McEwen's IP diatribe of a couple of months ago I really can't understand why the whole issue has crept so far up your crevice. Even the most emotionally retarded Amiga zealots took this with a grain of salt. What's the big deal?
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Nov-2002 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (strobe):
@strobe
"Not only is there a cost incolved with the dongle
BS, there is a HUGE cost incolved with complying
with the Amiga license which includes supporting
an OS we dont know anything about yet!"
Have you read the OEM licensing agreement? Where exactly does it outline restrictive terms involving huge amounts of money and support? And since when would the hardware vendor be responsible for supporting the software?
Thendic doesn't want to go along with the terms of the deal to sell OS4/Pegasos bundles. No one is forcing them to, it's consumer interest that keeps raising the issue.
"Not only are there costs, we don't know the full extent of them!"
So you're basically saying you don't know what's stipulated in the licensing agreement after all?
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Posted by @anonymous on 15-Nov-2002 05:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Rob):
@Rob
"The fact of the matter is that Thendic itself isn't interested in supporting OS4 and an independant retailer would have to be able to invest at least a 6 figure number in order to make such a project viable."
Where exactly is this 6 figure value coming from? With all this speculation it's interesting that no one seems to have read the licensing terms and no one has determined the amount of work necessary to get OS4 to run on the Pegasos. We do know however that Thendic says there are no compatibility issues.
Hyperion has said that they have a financial interest in supporting as much hardware as possible. Thendic has said in good faith that they will make their board available and presumably the resources necessary to support anyone working with it. This basically leaves the differences in the BIOS and 'dongle' code. Realistically what are we looking at? A couple of days of work with full disclosure?
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Nov-2002 05:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (strobe):
@strobe
"Thendic would have to incur EXTRA costs."
Thendic doesn't have to do jack squat. Why all the fuss?
"As for the ROM business we're talking about extra bits of code in the firmware to create some (easily bypassed) dongle. If they ahve to replace the entire ROM with something Das U-Boot-based (which would be insane) you would have to port this firmware to a board which already has working firmware then in order to boot MorphOS yo would have to flash it with the original firmware again."
Like flashing firmware is rocket science? What makes you so convinced the ROM changes for the Pegasos aren't incidental now that they are finished for the AmigaOne?
"Thendic is a business, not a government. This isn't politicis, this is economics."
To this point Rob has made some valid contributions to a discussion without resorting to cheap shots. You keep championing the Thendic cause but to what end? So Thendic doesn't want to do the work. So you don't like the licensing stipulations. So what?
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Posted by DaveW on 15-Nov-2002 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (@anonymous):
The six figure is:
1.00001 pesatas
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Posted by legion on 15-Nov-2002 12:33 GMT
According to the licensing agreement, Thendic WILL have costs incurring. and here they are:
1) Hiring techs to put on the phones/benches for SUPPORT.
2) Sometimes having to WARRANTY defective AMIGA licensed products (their own).
Basically what are saying here is that EYETECH is a financial powerhouse compared to Thendic because of THESE POINTS?
The fact that these requirements are too restrictive should scare the hell out of someone considering buying a Pegasos.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 15-Nov-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
Turrican, how come when I read your posts I can only imagine a crack smoking person wearing a cape and a mask? I like your logic though, calling people wise when their oppinion agrees with your own.
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Nov-2002 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (DaveW):
@DaveW
"The six figure is: 1.00001 pesatas"
Oh, sure... jump in and steal the punchline! ;)
Actually is it not 'multitos'? Wait, no... wasn't that an Atari thing? Or is it a corn chip? Mesa sooo confused!
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Posted by AlK on 15-Nov-2002 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (strobe):
> It sounds like you're assuming a LOT.
The other way around it is.
> Not everybody follows your purchasing habits.
I surely know. I don't mind the $10, but I did not ever need to call any
support line either.., DIY ;-) And where did I say 'everybody'? The 'Most
Amigans' I talked about have been leaving the platform because they did not get
proper support any more of Amiga companies, as one of many reasons of course.
Sad enough. Then comes some people's agenda that makes it worse.
> I mean what are you, a demographic of one?
As you are. Not? I speak for myself, do You?
But no, I don't think I'm alone with my opinion (and you're not either, sadly).
Won't go on arguing with you. Leads nowhere.
Ciao, Alex
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Posted by José on 15-Nov-2002 19:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Mike Veroukis):
"... guess linux and Sun's SunOS (or is it Solaris) for x86 is just a myth..
Using your own backwards reasoning we could also argue that there's only two makers of the PPC chip and only one OS: MacOS. In which case, what's your point?!? "
My point is that Microsoft Indirectly rules the chip makers.
The other thing is that with OS5, specially being announced now (wich I think is honest, but not very wise in market terms) the members of the "Comunity" buying the A1 will be less. And the ones buying AmigaOS for X86 will be the very few ones that hang on in here. There will be more people not buying AOS4/AmigaOne beacuse of this, than people buying AmigaOS for X86.
You live in this world don't ya? How many friends do you know that buy real apps for PeeCees???!!!
Exclusive interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 90 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 15-Nov-2002 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (strobe):
@Strobe
>At the same time saying Thendic could do it at no cost!
When did I say Thendic could produce OS4 enabled Pegasos for no cost.
All I said was that it would be much simpler for Thendic and cheaper
for Thendic than for a third party who would have to buy the boards
from Thendic.
You try to twist other peoples words to suit your own limited
perception of the situation.
Exclusive interview with Fleecy Moss : Comment 91 of 91ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 15-Nov-2002 23:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Adam Kowalczyk):
@ Adam
That sounds pretty accurate to me. Perhaps we should have a weekly
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