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[Rant] "Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm?ANN.lu
Posted on 25-Dec-2002 12:19 GMT by P E220 comments
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Over at amiga.org, the signature "takemehomegrandma" has published a somewhat satirical post - for your enjoyment, here goes:

I want to apologize that the AmigaOne has still not been released (A1 mobos+OS4). I also want to apologize to our competing companies that we have accused for crimes in public without being able to back those accusations up with either proof or legal action. I also want to apologize for not keeping our promises to you developers who bought our expensive SDK's. I also want to apologize to the users who bought our coupons, ehrm, JOINED OUR CLUB, but has not been given anything of the promised. I also want to apologize for the confusion when our offices suddenly were empty and our phones went dead (but that was a result of hackers, remember). Amiga Inc is truly a global 24 hours a day company and the future looks brighter than ever for our beloved AMIGA. We are pleased to announce a Games Pocket Pack to our friends Micro$ofts Pocket PC. This truly shows what a great commitment our 3000 content developers has to our beloved AMIGA. Wonderful things are about to happen as allways. Thank you, as allways, for your support. Keep the AMIGA spirit, and remember to follow our trademark wherever we go. We are AMIGA. You are AMIGA (if you pay us 50 bucks). We will be back with more exciting announcements during the next weeks. See you then! /Yours McBill
Well, there you go. Merry christmas!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 51 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by yepa on 25-Dec-2002 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (dammy):
Who cares about DE? As far as MorphOs, it would/could never be OS 4. What have you been smoking today?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 52 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 25-Dec-2002 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
The 'uproar' is caused by the fact that most people don't know that by 'emulation' you mean 'reimplementation' unless you tell them. Most people would think that 'emulation' stands for 'emulation', not 'reimplementation'.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 53 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by DDJ on 25-Dec-2002 19:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (yepa):
Users like you deserve this success and hight in time scheduled project managed by Ainc.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 54 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Andreas Wolf):
No. The uproar is mostly caused because some people don't have a sense for irony and satire. They simply can't find anything funny in the post, because it is against their believe.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 55 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 25-Dec-2002 21:54 GMT
MERRY CHRISTMAS :)

When people stop considering there's part of a given
camp, things will get much better...
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 56 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 25-Dec-2002 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (mahen):
I meant "they belong to a given camp"
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 57 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 25-Dec-2002 21:58 GMT
BTW, it wasn't very subtle to post this story on ann,
because, even if it's true, the main purpose is just
to annoy people believing in AInc; it's just yet another
way to fuel the stupid war.

Two thumbs down.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 58 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Fabio Alemagna):
Me doesn't understand I was backing you! :-D
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 59 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 22:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
>> Abox was specifically designed to run AmigaOS binaries (thats beyond simple
>> api compatibility), so it does emulate an AmigaOS environment to AmigaOS
>> programs. I do not care if it is also "reimplemented", "native" or whatever.

Yes, exactly as AmigaOS4 will do (if it is ever released)

Then... AmigaOS4 is an emulator too!!! SHOCK!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 60 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 22:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Fabio Alemagna):
>So, is AROS an emulator too? Is linux an unix emulator? Is WINE an emulator?

who cares ? :) it does what it does, does it matter if its an emulator or
not ? why is 'emulating' such a bad word....
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 61 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Ian Shurmer on 25-Dec-2002 22:17 GMT
Come on, have you guys got nothing better to do over Christmas than to post rather "hilarious" parodies of announcements? Talk about making things even worse....

Ian

PS. Merry Christmas to all! (And yes, that includes MorphOS AND AmigaOS supporters! ;-)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 62 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Dec-2002 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (catohagen):
Cause usually, emulating means cloning the exact environment without making
any changes to it or implementing new features.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 63 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 22:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
no, emulation means to equal or to _excel_ another in qualities or actions

synonyms for emulation is competition, rivalry, contest, contention

its the perfect match for morphos, it equals amigaos and excels it with the
added features, plus the words competition and rivalry fits with the
legal action this month..
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 64 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 26-Dec-2002 01:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Frodon):
He is trolling rather cluelesly and you are biting, that`s what keeps the trolls like him alive here. Just ignore it already.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 65 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 26-Dec-2002 03:41 GMT
It's great to see this...troll-posts get by as "news" in the Amiga community.

How sad. For all of you.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 66 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 26-Dec-2002 05:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Some Farker):
>It's great to see this...troll-posts get by as "news" in the Amiga community.
>
>How sad. For all of you.

Its still in "Unmoderated section". I'm fairly sure this thread will be deleted once the moderators see it (At least, I'd hope so...)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 67 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 26-Dec-2002 07:44 GMT
So this is what people these days find humor? I fail to see anything funny about it, it's merely bashing a company that's struggling to survive.

Before we know it someone will write one about Thendic or whatever they call themselves now lately, and the endless stream of shit, fud, flames & insults will continue

Sad world this has become.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 68 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Santa on 26-Dec-2002 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (David Scheibler):
No, David (keine Ideen von mir klauen!) - THIS says it all:
http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=AmigaOS&q2=MorphOS&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us
http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=AmigaOne&q2=Pegasos&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 69 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 26-Dec-2002 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (David Scheibler):
Funny :-) But try...

http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=AmigaOS+is+an+OS&q2=MorphOs+is+an+OS&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us

or

http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=AmigaOS+is+a+good+OS&q2=MorphOS+is+a+good+OS&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us


You will find it as funniest at least ;-)

This is simply not significative.

Ferrán
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 70 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Dec-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Ferry):
Nice try. But next time add quotes to the stuff you are going to compare, so it will find not just the single words but the whole term.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 71 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 10:38 GMT
Finally this made it to the front page! LoL. What a farce.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 72 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Björn Hagström):
> Finally this made it to the front page! LoL. What a farce.

In the "Rant" section. If you don't like Rants, don't have them displayed.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 73 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Fabio Alemagna):
You do not have access to the cookie holding my personal settings.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 74 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Dec-2002 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Fabio Alemagna):
> > Finally this made it to the front page! LoL. What a farce.
> In the "Rant" section. If you don't like Rants, don't have them displayed.

Exactly. I moderated this to "Rant" and feel this is where it belongs. It might have been a chance to get a light-hearted discussion going. Unfortunately, these days people see a war in everything they read.

And besides, doesn't everyone have anything better to do on your Christmas holidays than complain about stuff on ANN?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 75 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Björn Hagström):
> You do not have access to the cookie holding my personal settings.

Indeed, and so what? Apparently you have all the sections marked as displayed in your settings, therefore either Unmoderated or Rant doesn't make any difference to you: you can see it anyway.

I know that you'd like that every post that doesn't appeal you should be deleted altogether, but for that you'll have to run your own news/rants/forum site.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 76 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 26-Dec-2002 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Lando):
>Its still in "Unmoderated section". I'm fairly sure this thread will be
>deleted once the moderators see it (At least, I'd hope so...)

Are you kidding? This is the new and improved MNN!!! This is main page material baby!!! Oh CK, how far can you slide?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 77 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (MonkeyOS):
> Are you kidding?

Obviously it was unmoderated at the time of the post you're replying to. Was it so difficult to get?

> This is the new and improved MNN!!! This is main page material baby!!! Oh CK,
> how far can you slide?

Oh pleople, if you don't like this place just leave it! No one is forcing you to stay here, leave the rest of us in peace, will you?!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 78 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Christian Kemp):
Suggestion:

How about moving any non news related category out of the default setting (no this has nothing to do with my personal settings). News, Files, Web and Motd are more neutral to its nature than furum, rant and unmoderated and it could be a better way to profile this site to not have non neutral items on the front page by default.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 79 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 26-Dec-2002 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Christian Kemp):
>Exactly. I moderated this to "Rant" and feel this is where it belongs.

But Rant is displayed on the main page by default, thus giving the impression that it is important news.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 80 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Indeed, and so what? Apparently you have all the sections marked as displayed
>in your settings, therefore either Unmoderated or Rant doesn't make any
>difference to you: you can see it anyway.

You have no idea what my personal settings are.

>I know that you'd like that every post that doesn't appeal you should be
>deleted altogether, but for that you'll have to run your own news/rants/forum
>site.

You know that? Really? Come on Fabio you are more intelligent than telling people what they think or like.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 81 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Björn Hagström):
> > Indeed, and so what? Apparently you have all the sections marked as
> > displayed in your settings, therefore either Unmoderated or Rant doesn't
> > make any difference to you: you can see it anyway.

> You have no idea what my personal settings are.

I have all the informations needed to know that you have the Rant and Unmoderated section in your settings, therefore it DOESN'T make any difference to you. Moreover, by looking at your past post I can see you also have the Forum section, together with the other ones.

So, yes, I have a clear idea of what your personal settings are.


> > I know that you'd like that every post that doesn't appeal you should be
> > deleted altogether, but for that you'll have to run your own
> > news/rants/forum site.

> You know that? Really? Come on Fabio you are more intelligent than telling
> people what they think or like.

It's not me who said it, it's you the one who doesn't want this thread to be in any site's section, therefore you'd want it to be deleted. Pure, simple and elementar logic.

Now, please, explain to me what is that makes you enjoy this kind of stupid discussion based on "you don't know"/"you can't know" assertions?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 82 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 26-Dec-2002 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Obviously it was unmoderated at the time of the post you're replying to. Was
>it so difficult to get?

No s**t sherlock. But he was making the assumption the moderators would delete this obvious troll bait. Did this happen? Of course not, it made the front page up in lights.

>Oh pleople, if you don't like this place just leave it! No one is forcing you
>to stay here, leave the rest of us in peace, will you?!

So you think anyone who is not a lying, misleading, deceitful, criminal, frothing at the mouth MOS fanatic should just up and leave and let the core of ~50 MOS Gensi henchmen project their altered reality for the casual surfer to be misled? HA!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 83 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Fabio Alemagna):
> I have all the informations needed to know that you have the Rant and
> Unmoderated section in your settings, therefore it DOESN'T make any difference
> to you. Moreover, by looking at your past post I can see you also have the
> Forum section, together with the other ones.

> So, yes, I have a clear idea of what your personal settings are.

No Fabio, you do not know what personal settings I have. You assume what I have, but you do not know what I have. Come on Fabio, you are alot smarter than that.

> It's not me who said it, it's you the one who doesn't want this thread to be in any site's section, therefore you'd want it to be deleted. Pure, simple and elementar logic.

Wrong again Fabio.

> Now, please, explain to me what is that makes you enjoy this kind of stupid discussion based on "you don't know"/"you can't know" assertions?

There is nothing enjoyable with discussion anything not developer related with you Fabio.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 84 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (MonkeyOS):
> No s**t sherlock. But he was making the assumption the moderators would delete
> this obvious troll bait. Did this happen? Of course not, it made the front
> page up in lights.

So what? This is a *rant* post, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and can make whatever satirical post he/she wants. Get it easy, dude, and learn to have fun!

> > Oh pleople, if you don't like this place just leave it! No one is forcing
> > you to stay here, leave the rest of us in peace, will you?!

> So you think anyone who is not a lying, misleading, deceitful, criminal,
> frothing at the mouth MOS fanatic should just up and leave and let the core of
> ~50 MOS Gensi henchmen project their altered reality for the casual surfer to
> be misled? HA!

No, I rather think that people like you, who think that the everyone that doesn't cheer for your "party" is criminal, lying, misleading and deceitful, should be banned from ANN for the time being. however, even people like you have the right to say whatever they wish, so I, as many others, will bear with you.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 85 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 12:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Björn Hagström):
> > I have all the informations needed to know that you have the Rant and
> > Unmoderated section in your settings, therefore it DOESN'T make any
> > difference to you. Moreover, by looking at your past post I can see you also
> > have the Forum section, together with the other ones.
> > So, yes, I have a clear idea of what your personal settings are.

> No Fabio, you do not know what personal settings I have.

Yes, I do, as everyone here. If you didn't have the Rant section in your setting you wouldn't be here now, and if you didn't have the Unmoderated section you wouldn't be in every unmoderated thread, and if you didn't have the Forum section you wouldn't be in any forum.

So, please, stop this farce.

> You assume what I have, but you do not know what I have. Come on Fabio, you
> are alot smarter than that.

I used to think the same about you, but now I I'm afraid I'll have to change my mind. Questioning simple logic... is that smart?

> > It's not me who said it, it's you the one who doesn't want this thread to be
> > in any site's section, therefore you'd want it to be deleted. Pure, simple
> > and elementar logic.

> Wrong again Fabio.

So, prove me wrong. Tell me what is that you want, then.

> > Now, please, explain to me what is that makes you enjoy this kind of stupid
> > discussion based on "you don't know"/"you can't know" assertions?

> There is nothing enjoyable with discussion anything not developer related with
> you Fabio.

Of course, 'cause I happen to say too many logical things to be able to please you.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 86 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 26-Dec-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, I am upset by the absolute obvious bias. I could care less who likes what, but I do not like altered reality. I could type a 3 page rant within minutes that contained no troll bait, but it would be immediately deleted because it is not favorable to Gensi's master plan. Trust me, i know. I have seen many a thread appear in unmoderated to be quickly and unceremoniously deleted.

Like the anti-Merlancia posts. Case and point. Merlancia has taken a stance against Amiga Inc and supposedly is going to use the Pegasos MB in some capacity in the future. Therefore the "news" posts in the last week that were unfavorable to Merlancia weren't even moved to Rant, they were deleted.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 87 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Yes, I do, as everyone here. If you didn't have the Rant section in your
> setting you wouldn't be here now,

Wrong. Look at the top of the ann page. The different sections are selectable by a single click.

> and if you didn't have the Unmoderated section you wouldn't be in every
> unmoderated thread, and if you didn't have the Forum section you wouldn't
> be in any forum.

Wrong. Look at the top of the ann page. The different sections are selectable by a single click.

> So, please, stop this farce.

Please do Fabio, you are alot smarter than this.

> I used to think the same about you, but now I I'm afraid I'll have to change
> my mind. Questioning simple logic... is that smart?

That was actually a quite funny comment Fabio.

> So, prove me wrong. Tell me what is that you want, then.

Read the post I made to CK above.

> Of course, 'cause I happen to say too many logical things to be able to
> please you.

Don't flatter yourself.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 88 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Dec-2002 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (MonkeyOS):
The only Merlancia-related post I deleted was the one where some guy was stalking Ryan with a camera. No matter what his intended goal was, or how justified any complaints he has might be, following a person with a camera to prove some point is not a nice thing, and will not get exposure from ANN.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 89 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 26-Dec-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (MonkeyOS):
I wouldn't mind at all if this thread was deleted. I didn't post it here and I wouldn't do that either, not in this form. Someone else ripped a part out of a post I made in a thread over at amiga.org. It was a satirical joke I made in a discussion about why there were no Christmas Message from Amiga Inc this year (which is a real good question, BTW). It's not a real "news" item, but it might look that way when it's ripped out of context (even though I am sure that no one will actually believed that).

I think it is kind of a clever joke, and the funny thing (in a somewhat sad way) is that it's "based on a true story", and I believe that's what's upsetting you. Most of the ingredients comes directly from *Amiga Inc themselves* (and that's the point), both their "achievements" (cough cough) and the "hype style" writing (some lines were even cut'n pasted from real announcements).

Of course with some satirical touch up. :-)

I am sorry if you didn't find it humourous. But I don't really care. I know that a lot of people did over at amiga.org, where the message was posted in a context.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 90 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 26-Dec-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (catohagen):
>>ann.lu is mos camp favourite place, everything negative about amiga is moderated
to news, and anything positive or stuff thats proves mos camp wrong will be
hidden and forgotten :)

The why do you even bother to come here and post your praisals of amiga inc. in the first place?

You got to be a somewhat blind person if you see all critisizim towards amiga inc. as just brainless bashing coming from mos camp. Haven't you yet relized that the way amiga inc. have conducted their business may turn other people away aswell? (such as me for instance) I don't belong to ANY camp but I sure don't find AI having ANY credibility left in their largemouthing pockets.

As you are such a loyal supporter, perhaps you can tell me which parts of the joke that tmhgm posted to amiga org were false. T-shirts? I haven't heard anything from them yet. Chance for a refund? Nope... The way I see it, AI are petty thieves that feed on the blind belief and hope for a better tomorrow of some people still left in this 'community'
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 91 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Björn Hagström):
> > Yes, I do, as everyone here. If you didn't have the Rant section in your
> > setting you wouldn't be here now,

> Wrong. Look at the top of the ann page. The different sections are selectable by
> a single click.

LOL :) So tell me, how's that different from having those selections saved in a cooky, apart from the fact that the way you're trying to make me believe you do it is the least comfortable? In the end what matters is that you chose to view these sections, and what matters is that you have the chance to chose to NOT view them, hence my first comment to your post, whose point still stants: make your choice, but don't enforce it upon everyone.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 92 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Dec-2002 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Björn Hagström):
Ehm, this posting is in the rant section and you see it... Can't ANYONE assume
that you have the rant section enabled in your cookied settings?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 93 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Dec-2002 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (MonkeyOS):
Excuse me but this is NOT news and was NOT posted as news... It's a joke.
The article itself DID mention that it's a joke.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 94 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Fabio Alemagna):
> LOL :) So tell me, how's that different from having those selections saved
> in a cooky, apart from the fact that the way you're trying to make me believe
> you do it is the least comfortable?

Have I said that there is or isn't any difference? What does this has to do with the original issue? Am I trying to say to you that any certain way is least confortable? Where have I said anything to that extent? What has confortable
to do with the original issue?

What I said was: You are Wrong, I do not have all sections selected by default and provided the means to show that it is not a proof that all sections are selected as default just because someone posts in all of them. You know that thing, what did you call it, ahh yes, simple logic.

> In the end what matters is that you chose
> to view these sections, and what matters is that you have the chance to chose
> to NOT view them, hence my first comment to your post, whose point still
> stants: make your choice, but don't enforce it upon everyone.

No, what matters is what image ANN wants to have. Not what I choose to read or not. That is totally unrelated to the whole issue. And what settings or whatnot I have does in no way affect the image of ANN. If ANN wants to promote such postings by having them on the front page by default then I indeed find it a farce as I said in the original message. And I'm totally fine with ANN promoting itself that way if that is what TK wants to accomplish, I just find it to be a farce and I won't take Ann seriously as long as it does. I have no problem to choose what I read or not, and that has absolutely nothing to do with my original message.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 95 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You get that section even if you have turned cookies off. The default layout is News, Files, Web, Rant, Motd. (Not saying that I have the default settings nor turned cookies off. I read this site from 4-5 different computers and the settings are not the same on all of them. The issue is not what I (can) read, but the image of Ann.)

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 96 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Björn Hagström):
> The issue is not what I (can) read, but the image of Ann.)

The image of ANN is that of a site which hosts news AND rants AND motd's AND links to files AND forums AND links to web pages.

If it's has a "News" stamp on it then it's a news, if it has a "Rant" stamp on it then it's a rant, more so if it's clearly stated that it's meant to be satirical, and more so if it doesn't say anything which is not true.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 97 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Fabio Alemagna):
Yes and as long as it promotes that kind of rants on the front page by default
then I find it to be a farce. Cool, we're back to square one.

Now tell me Fabio, what does this whole issue to do with your ramblings about
what settings I might or might not have.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 98 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Björn Hagström):
> Yes and as long as it promotes that kind of rants on the front page by default
> then I find it to be a farce.

Motivate. What are "these kind of rants"? As long as you make these ridiculus claims it's YOU the one who is a farce.

> Now tell me Fabio, what does this whole issue to do with your ramblings about
> what settings I might or might not have.

Bjorn, you really seem to enjoy childish fights, don't you? Do you want people to believe that you prefer to click everytime on the various links instead than havbing the settings saved in a cooky? I mean, do you really think people are SO stupid? You're right, I have no way to know whether you're just silly or smart enough to have the settings saved, but I DO know that you constantly follow all the sections, I just assumed you were smart enough to have the settings saved.

But if you say that that's a wrong assumptions, ah well, then I apologize for having trusted in your intelligence.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 99 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 26-Dec-2002 16:09 GMT
Totalitarisms tried to ban satire, while it always succeeded to survive. Now it seems that part of the Amiga community has gone too far, and its somewhat fanatical and religious cult of a company prohibits to enjoy a simple satirical piece. This kind of things worry me. Take it easy! Where has your sense of humor gone?
BTW, I do enjoy this site, and I think CK and the other moderators are doing a nice job. It's sad to see that a vocal minority is trying to spoil their efforts.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 100 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 26-Dec-2002 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Andrea Maniero):
Good question. Unfortunately I'm not capable of giving any answer to that one. :(
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