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[News] Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategyANN.lu
Posted on 17-Feb-2003 08:22 GMT by Senex80 comments
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In the ANN-Thread Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release Bill Buck & Raquel Velasco of Genesi made the following statement regarding their near- and midterm strategy: If our strategic vision is compelling and our execution excellent, we will increasingly attract skilled developers (like you). What Ralph, Frank and the core MorphOS Development Team have accomplished to date is exceptional, but now we need to establish a professional development and management system for MorphOS, formally retain the services of all key MorphOS developers, and recruit new talent to the project. We have struck on the Phoenix association to develop a third-party vehicle to do this too. It is not much more than a concept today, but we are starting to see ideas solidify on the mailing lists and there is a good deal of potential there. We need to be somewhat selective in insuring that these next boards go to people that will advance in communion with our effort. Hence, our new pricing offer through Phoenix for $299/299 Euro (understanding the fluctuations?if it becomes a big difference we will adjust).

Our targeted resource/sales markets from the near to medium term are:

1. Amiga/MorphOS
2. DTV STB and Pegasos STB
3. LinuxPPC and OtherPPC

We will continue to promote to the Amiga/MorphOS market, as we have. Our underlying focus will be: broadening and stabilizing MorphOS, attracting applications and drivers (ports/original programs), and establishing a ?Pegasos? toolkit. At the same time, the "Pegasos Network" is working (ex. www.pegasos-XXX.com) and our online sales support and information site at www.genesi-support.com will continue to improve. If we are lucky we will awaken and attract the slumbering ex-Commodore consumer market, but that will take some time and we are not quite ready for mass-market attention. The sites will be there and ready. Until we are ready for ?prime time? we will not promote the sites as much as we could. Plus, we will standardize the Pegasos distribution network over the next few months taking a semi-franchise approach. When we are ready, everything will be in place. (You might also want to check out www.morphzone.org)

On the hardware side we start where we are: the Pegasos. We have discussed the features: upgradeable (G3, G4, Dual, etc.), scalable (stackable boards), modifiable (smaller ? eclipsis, subsets/modular ? Psylent/STB), and open, as in Open Firmware (facilitates scheme for peripheral association/development IAW the IE1275 standard). We have developed a solid plan and feature set for each Pegasos envisioned and the corresponding software bundles. The management review actually begins today in Paris. The bplan guys arrive today as well as others.

It was the Pegasos that convinced our largest customer to go ahead with the DTV STB project. It is worth hundreds of thousands of Euros to us and it is what IS creating the opportunity to do everything else. It is still based on MorphOS and a PPC, so our Developers will be insured a stable business partner and an increasing stable environment for development and the future. In this case the potential is enormous and the development contract itself produces the profit equivalent of more than the sale of 1000 Pegasos mainboards per month. Can you understand the benefit this brings to all efforts?

The Pegasos STB is just a Pegasos (and something else again), but it is focused on another market. It actually aims more at breaking down the digital ?Berlin Wall? between countries in Europe and North America and countries everywhere else that are not so affluent (Mainland China, India, Latin America, Africa, etc.). We could sell this product as a "computer" that uses the television in the home already as a monitor (like computers of the past we have known). From the hardware side, it is a relatively simple development for us. A CD drive and a hard disc would be optional. There would be keyboard and remote control options (a users existing keyboard or mouse could be used as the Pegasos is already compliant with open firmware standard IEEE1275). Of course, this would create an interesting market for memory sticks (see www.plexuscom.com). There are hundreds of applications already running on the Pegasos, including many games and all in many languages (thanks to the ability to run Amiga applications).

Our thought is that PCs do not have the same penetration in these areas as in Western countries for years to come simply because of their cost. With volume we'll be able to undercut them without sacrificing functionality or speed. We think the potential could be running into millions of units. BTW, last year STBs of video games sold nearly 30 million units (PlayStation2, Xbox, and GameCube). We are not at that level yet, but we could be and we can offer more applications than games (and no special attachment for the Internet either).

About Linux and the other targets..

Linux people usually want something great for nothing, but in the PPC market if we can get a design win over the competition the next price point is a Mac. As more professionals and desktop consumers switch to Linux, the future of commercial software on Linux is very bright and so is our hardware. Functionality will become precedent over cost in this market. We need a bootable bundled distro and Mac-on-Linux. Linux will be a major force in the future. Today, it is still difficult to install software, drivers, set up firewalls, etc., but because of the generous licensing environment and the massive corporate support Linux is gaining (IBM, HP, etc.) as well as government mandates and funding in many countries, it is set to become the "next big thing.? We need to be part of that trend.

Any PPC OS that is reasonable to port with external resources is interesting to us. We have a Go/NoGo decision matrix (that gets more tuned as we advance). Again, we are looking for resources and developer talent. For example, while Linux gets the glory, BSDs are running some of the biggest sites. The OpenBSD port is being undertaken now (we got the first screenshot last week). Further, there is an increasing amount of interesting open source projects we could find a way to adapt to our use.

Finally, we are interested in restoring the Demo Scene to the Pegasos. The traditional and overt message in a demo was technical skill. The visual effects pushed the supposed limits of the platform?s capability and graphics were skillfully executed. Good demos are the marriage of advanced technical, creative and artistic abilities. For the future, we need a new generation of ?Sceners? to be pulling the most from the platform and the OS. This can generate plenty of positive attention. Besides the nVidia butterfly lady has the wrong color wings! This is why we decided to sponsor Equinoxe (and maybe BreakPoint if we can sort something out this week).

All these ?other things? all ultimately bring us back to our key advantage: a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and applications. The new Management Team is working hard to turn this vision into a reality. They will be presenting the first plans this week. While the sale of the Pegasos and MorphOS alone could never sustain the Company we are building, it may one day in the future. We use the Pegasos today to begin our move to the future, while insuring the development and growth of the MorphOS.

Hope you appreciate how early we got up to write this!

We will be very busy this week ? not too many more posts or emails will be answered.

Best regards,

R&B
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 51 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 17-Feb-2003 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (DaveP):
>Frankly I think this will kill Eyetech, with the rumour that OS4 is on
>hold until Amiga Inc pays some bills I think we might have seen the
>death of the next "official" AmigaOS.

The same rumour has it that AInc is waiting for money from M$ (for the WinCE game paks) in order to pay those bills. Can't see M$ being in such a hurry to pay somehow.

The real losers in all this are those people who bought AmigaOnes. What are they supposed to do with them without OS4? Its one heck of an expensive Linux board. Hopefully MorphOS can be made to run on the Teron without too much trouble.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 52 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 17-Feb-2003 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Lando):
OK, Day #1 Meetings are over...

http://en.genesi-support.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=18 is a mini
article about the meeting.

http://en.genesi-support.com/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=9 is where there
are a few images from the day itself.

We are just getting started...;-)

R&B
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 53 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 18-Feb-2003 01:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Senex):
"Therefore I completely fail to understand how exactly we Desktop-users should suffer from that."

Well because settopbox adventures may very well be the beginning of the end for a company. It happened before you know :-)
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 54 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 18-Feb-2003 04:42 GMT
Yeah, but the difference here is that the
Pegasos based STB has already been made
specifically for companies that are interested
in distributing it. In many other situations
a company develops a STB and then nobody needs
or wants it. Sounds like Genesi already have
some good partners and distributors lined up for
these boxes. I think the extra income from this
will attract yet more developers to the platform,
which means more software, which attracts users etc...
Good idea if implemented right.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 55 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Andy on 18-Feb-2003 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Kelly Samel):
Good idea... implemented right?

Hey man!!! Did you ever seen cheap Fiat with expensive Mersedes engine inside for low price??? WHATTA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

Are you cheating us?
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 56 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 18-Feb-2003 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (priest):
>>Will I be able to stick my 8xAGP Radeon 9700 Pro

>Yes. It works also on AGP2x and can delivers something like 80-95% of it's
>maximum performance on (I think).

*IF* there were any AmigaOS drivers for it...

>> 512Mb DDR RAM at 400MHz

>Yes. But most likely 2-4Mb as L3.

No, I will have to use SDRAM, not DDR. DDR at 400MHz will not function on a SDRAM slot at 133 MHz, period.

>>1Gigabit network card, etc. in an AmigaOne

>Yes. It will perform in 100% speed on the PCI bus.

Again, *IF* there will ever be any drivers for it.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 57 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 18-Feb-2003 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (DaveP):
Is making a price cut when you can't even supply existing customers on your waiting lists an upper cut?
Perhaps, it might be just that. Neither Genesi nor I-Tech ;P are delivering and you may as well make an offer like £99 for a Pegasos for all of March (and work on the theory that your special offer runs for as long as you DON'T have supply.
Make it clear that they can't be preordered and use it to gather lots of customer details etc etc etc.

I find it highly amusing, but only because I am not a victim.

AdmV
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 58 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Feb-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (samface):
@samface
>>>Will I be able to stick my 8xAGP Radeon 9700 Pro
>>Yes. It works also on AGP2x and can delivers something like 80-95% of it's
>>maximum performance on (I think).
>*IF* there were any AmigaOS drivers for it...

Ok. Still you can "stick" it. 8)

>>> 512Mb DDR RAM at 400MHz
>>Yes. But most likely 2-4Mb as L3.
>No, I will have to use SDRAM, not DDR.

As I later corrected, you will be able to use DDR as L3 cache up to 2Mb per one G4.

> DDR at 400MHz will not function on a SDRAM slot at 133 MHz, period.

On the backside bus of G4 it works, but only up to 2M.

>>>1Gigabit network card, etc. in an AmigaOne
>>Yes. It will perform in 100% speed on the PCI bus.
>Again, *IF* there will ever be any drivers for it.

Ok then, drivers are needed for everything.
Do you have gigabit LAN there somewhere?
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 59 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 18-Feb-2003 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (AdmV):
@AdmV

Considering I am not a victim either I don't find it highly amusing, I dont find
it even mildly interesting or shocking that Genesi are having supply problems. However
given how patient we have all been for our XEs to come through the door ( yes
I bought a top of the range power system ) perhaps we ought to respect the
patience that others are showing for Genesi?

The point being, if you BUY at a price the vendor is duty bound to hand over the
goods or a refund.

I see no reason to over-emphasise the supply problems. Either way, this move
is strategic and it will in all likely kill off demand for A1XEs amongst the
small self selecting fraternity that is the Amiga userbase.

Sure theres a bit of Jam tomorrow but after 10 years of Jam tomorrow you get
used to it.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 60 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 18-Feb-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (DaveP):
I prefer to remain the ultrasceptic in my assessment.

If you base it on facts, and not on other discussions, claims, misinformation, and just facts, neither party has actually done what they said they would. Neither seem trustworthy. Neither are able to provide supplies. Neither have a glorious record in customer care.

So yes, I am glad at not being a victim. I have managed to avaoid falling to any 'amiga sphere' con tricks, and I wish others would also avoid it.

But if people prefer some religious desire to fulfill someones pockets based on what we know, aside from warning them to Trust no one, there is little more to be done.

AdmV
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 61 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Feb-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (AdmV):
Hi AdmV I can understand you. Maybe you click on the above Link where the message from bbrv was cut out (from the Thread below with 103 messages) and start reading it at the near end where I - GALAXY - made some of my customers comments. To add one, yes the information for the customers are not really good imo. On http://www.amiga-news.de/ I was asking one simple question related the STB's to the german Genesi team and was treat like a moron. As a result a normal question which got asked ended in a 256 comments flame which could have been avoided if the information politics would have been better. At the end some long waiting pegasos customers jumped off of their orders and went for MAC hardware and a lot of german possible customers including me got totally fed up. I still belive that Pegasos/MorphOS are the superior Systems for an Amiga alternative but I lost respect in the Genesi company. Well we the customers need to deal with it. The 5 remaining companies who work for Amiga and alternative hardware are in the best position to make us customers act like dumb puppets, their paid minions only threw fazzles of informations at us and we need to beg for clear informations. Anyways the last comment from bbrv I call a good one "finally after a long time and flame on the german boards" thanks for this.

My 0.2€
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 62 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 18-Feb-2003 15:58 GMT
Just a note: Phoenix and Genesi are NOT taking PRE-ORDER money for the $299 offer (which includes a T-Shirt, I may say). We are simply gathering names and Developer / Scene / User Group status, and money will not exchange hands until machines ship.

Talk of scamming here is simply FUD. Many of the people signing up for the offer are people I respect on this forum, and Amiga.org. The last thing I would wish to do is put a hurt on them. Genesi of course would not want this either, and as I have pointed out to AdmVorlon {someone seems to have poured old syrup into all the sensory inputs of his environment suit, keeping all his output largely devoid of reality ; } Genesi could not be a business if they intended to NOT sell machines. I'm sure this simple logic will not be a problem for people without syrup blockage ; }
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 63 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 18-Feb-2003 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Sigh... :-(

Galaxy, Galaxy... Your trolling on Amiga-News.de is one thing, but
your claims here, turning everything way more negative than it was, is
too much, since the most readers here can't check the facts themselves
since they don't understand German.

Just two points as an example:

a) the "some long waiting pegasos customers" wanting to buy a
Mac now actually were 1 (o-n-e) person.

b) the "lot of german possible customers ... got fed up" actually has
also been just one person: Galaxy.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 64 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by this is my name on 18-Feb-2003 19:25 GMT
I think it's interesting that rumors are circulating about Hyperion needing payment from AmigaInc. to continue development. The deal, as it was detailed before by Ben from Hyperion, is that OS4 development is independent of any financial situation with Amiga Inc. Hyperion takes on all costs and risks, and therefore retains the right to produce and distribute the OS even in Amiga Inc.'s demise.

Ben has not responded to any of these rumors, and he is usually very quick to respond to rumor on these forums. Either he A) is on vacation or is unaware of this rumor, B) is busy and has decided to stay away from the forums and will not respsond to rumors, or C) there is some truth to OS4 being on hold or severely delayed, and he does not wish to address the issue here or in public.

If it is, in fact, C., then I think the reasons would have more to do with Hyperion's business than Amiga Inc.'s. I don't think Bill and Fleecy's inability to run even a lemonade stand would have any effect on Hyperion's OS4 project.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 65 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 18-Feb-2003 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (greenboy):
Hello Greenboy :)

You are not taking pre-order money? I should hope not :)
By the way, as I am spreading only FUD and untruth, Please do tell me what Phoenix have ever done that is worthy of mention.

Tell you what, if you like how about I go and dredge up what Phoenix HAS not done, yet said they would.

Now add to the ideal I have put forward, that being Trust has to be at least EARNED, and no longer freely given. Go away, do something that makes me eat my words, and then feel free to come back and call me a liar.

Until then, I'll regard you nonsense and veiled insults as a juvenile repost to being exposed as part of the current under performing 'amiga sphere'.

And no, I have no faith in Phoenix whatsoever, and thats based on previous failed attempts by Phoenix in the past. By the way, just when did you give up on QNX and turn into BBRV's biggest friend? :) Wanna tangle some more?

I'd love for you to turn round and embarrass me with all your past good work. But thats difficult when you have none.

AdmV


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Just a note: Phoenix and Genesi are NOT taking PRE-ORDER money for the $299 offer (which includes a T-Shirt, I may say). We are simply gathering names and Developer / Scene / User Group status, and money will not exchange hands until machines ship.

Talk of scamming here is simply FUD. Many of the people signing up for the offer are people I respect on this forum, and Amiga.org. The last thing I would wish to do is put a hurt on them. Genesi of course would not want this either, and as I have pointed out to AdmVorlon {someone seems to have poured old syrup into all the sensory inputs of his environment suit, keeping all his output largely devoid of reality ; } Genesi could not be a business if they intended to NOT sell machines. I'm sure this simple logic will not be a problem for people without syrup blockage ; }
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 66 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 18-Feb-2003 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Senex):
Senex, I would appreciate if you could stop calling me a Troll.

First of all *you* as member of Genesi are responsible for the commotion on amiga-news.de and I'm not standing alone there. The majority of the readers and people that replied there where standing at my side. Regardless of the way we discussed the issues there. I herby encourage everyone capable reading german languages or anyone else who likes to read all the shit there by using babbelfish to make up his/hers own opinion. I am not hiding from what I have written there and every attentive reader will understand what I was up, what I was trying to express and what misleading informations I specially got from you. Sorry but I don't see the point why Genesi is feeding you with informations and why you play the advocate for them by giving out wrong and half informations to their customers. You have no rights calling me a troll no one has since all my comments and replies there are proved and even got approved by BBRV. After 260 and more replies we exchanged. At the final end you and the other few minions of Genesi germany are responsible for this escalation there. I usually call myself a calm person that usually avoids bullshit like this but this time you seriously hit my nerve. So honestly stop calling me that way. Everything what has been said and written can be read by everyone there. And don't play down all the comments from various individuals who replied to you and who expressed their anger because of this situation. If you seriously want to help Genesi then come over with real informations and don't play the jackass by saying "hey I know more because I choke cock of Genesi but I don't tell you". And sorry for staying Anonymous all the time it wasn't my intent to do so since I press add comment to fast and forget adding my nick.

Once again, I encourage everyone to GO exactly here:

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/thread/AN-2003-02-00147-DE.html

and use babelfish or any other online translator and read this.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 67 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 18-Feb-2003 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Senex):
> a) the "some long waiting pegasos customers" wanting to buy a Mac now actually were 1 (o-n-e) person.

One started and many followed because of your wrong informations. Go to the Amiga-News.de page and read comments:

24, 26, 28, 34, 36, 37, 40

> b) the "lot of german possible customers ... got fed up" actually has also been just one person: Galaxy.

31, 38, 39, 42, 43, 45, 49, 50, 55, 58 (The point where I got heavily pissed off about Senex but I still found some good words for Genesi), 59, 60, 65, 66, 67, 76 (again me, where I have tried to calm the situation down a bit and friendly re-asked/reminded Senex 3 simple questions), 78, 84, 85, 87 (A nice friendly message (after I got totally pissed off) to Ralph Schmidt), 97, 107, 110, 116 (the guy who got fedup about Pegasos and canceled his orders then moved to a MAC), 118 (I asked 3 questions which could be answered with yes/no. Still no answers until now), 132 (David Scheibler tried to play down my questions as he did in various other replies earlier), 144 (Senex tried best to heaten the situation again which totally pissed me off, don't expect me to stop here), 146, 147, 162, 187, 190, 200 (Senex mentioned that he hasn't read the past 50 comments unfortunately he wrote 1/2 of the entire Thread of 200 messages), 204, 207, 218 (Finally, It took Senex 218 mails to finally come out that it is indeed a STB Genesi produkt. He was able to save us all with the ranting, assuming, guessing and misleading informations. The first 217 messages came up and everyone denied it to be a STB and now 218 after a lot of pushing and pressing from me and some others and the final comment from bbrv Senex said himself that this thing is a STB), 258 (who totally backed me with my expressions)


Half of the wirtten messages are comming from the fine person Senex. I don't know why bbrv are feeding this person with so much shit. Genesi when do you realize that such people are only hurting your business and keep people away from yoru systems. bbrv please go there on amiga-news.de and read how many times that guy replied and that it took over 200 messages where he finally proved my theory. What sad, sick, stupid and dumb business is this. If this guy is working for your company then give him the papers and his last cheque and throw that dumbass out. Senex used to be a serious person where I used to belive his writings but now he is sitting prideful on his high horse and make dumb fucking jokes. And now this person comes up here on ann.lu and call me a freaking troll ? Why ? because I as customer asked some simple questions ? Luckely bbrv tried to 'fix' the situation by replying above (Thread topic) reply to me (for antoher thread). Look bbrv I still have some respect remaining for your company but seriously get rid of that moron. I have nothing to loose now that I made myself look like a moron in the public *which I havent caused myself this to happen* only by asking a few normal customer questions. Get the hell rid of this moron.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 68 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 19-Feb-2003 01:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (AdmV):
AdmV types:

> I'd love for you to turn round and embarrass me with all your past good
> work. But thats difficult when you have none.

What have you done that makes you so superior?
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 69 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 19-Feb-2003 03:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Daniel Miller):
Hey Daniel, you know how it is with Lex Luthor ; }
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 70 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 19-Feb-2003 04:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (AdmV):
AdmV wrote:
> Please do tell me what Phoenix have ever done that is worthy of mention. Tell you what, if you like how about I go and dredge up what Phoenix HAS not done, yet said they would.

That'd be a neat trick. Why *don't* you go and dredge up what Phoenix said they'd do but hasn't done? AFAIK it's pretty much a Phoenix policy not to make promises, having learned a lesson from other outfits. Yes, there have been statements about intentions, but these aren't promises to deliver. So, yes, show us your list.

> Now add to the ideal I have put forward, that being Trust has to be at least EARNED, and no longer freely given. Go away, do something that makes me eat my words, and then feel free to come back and call me a liar.

Much of what Phoenix members have been involved in is under NDA. The relationship with Genesi is the most public project. Judge it on its merits, if you want to measure Phoenix's trustworthiness.

> And no, I have no faith in Phoenix whatsoever, and thats based on previous failed attempts by Phoenix in the past.

Do you realize what the failure rate for tech startups is? Put all of this in perspective. Also realize that Phoenix is a collective of individuals who pursue projects independently or in groups. Some have shown results up to this point and others haven't. But it isn't their mandate to report to you, one way or the other.

> By the way, just when did you give up on QNX and turn into BBRV's biggest friend?

And how often is inflexibility a virture in the modern world? Also, you aren't aware of the vectors of these relationships; join and do something constructive, if you like.

> :) Wanna tangle some more?

Tangling isn't especially our style, if I can speak for the others.

> I'd love for you to turn round and embarrass me with all your past good work. But thats difficult when you have none.

As you may have noticed, the last several years haven't exactly been Glory Days for tech ventures. But, one way or the other, it hasn't been a priority for Phoenix to post the results of its activities to uninvolved people such as yourself. Much of what has been going on has been long-term, low-level in nature. One reason the Genesi connection has made noise is that it has potential for products near-term, in case you need this explained.

It's unfortunate that when people do get together to try to do something, whether they're a company or organization or whatever, there's always a certain element on the sidelines that seems to exist for the sole purpose of complaining. It's surprising that you would feel so strongly about Phoenix being untrustworthy when one of its principles from the beginning has been to not make unsustainable claims. I feel the problem is not so much Phoenix's credibility as some agenda of yours. Again, offer your list of specific untrustworthy statements and we'll have something tangible to respond to.

-- gary_c
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 71 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Andy on 19-Feb-2003 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (priest):
using DRR as cache memory??? are you idiot?
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 72 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Feb-2003 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Andy):
So you call Apple idiotic?
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 73 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 19-Feb-2003 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (- GALAXY -):
@Galaxy

Sigh...

1) BBRV can hardly fire me since, as almost everyone reading amiga-news.de knows, I'm not a Genesi-employee. Even in that very thread there you're talking about I mentioned why I support Genesi anyway - so another example of your selective reading of that thread.

2) Even neutral people laughed at you there and called your comments "real satire".

3) As I told you there, we answered to you to the best of our knowledge. Especially I refuse that I would have given wrong information.

4) The conclusion of that thread has been, appropriately, that the crux of all this has just been that different people understand different things under a "STB". For me, a STB is rather something like Genesi's DTV-STB - but that other device that Genesi (unfortunately, IMHO) is marketing as "Pegasos-STB", is to me a complete computer, just in a compact case (I compare it to the A500). Since, and that has been the point and also part of the press-release, it contains the very same Pegasos-mainboard that you also use if you put it into bigger cases that you freely choose from KDH, Vesalia or Computer City.

5) All other stuff, especially such as "the majority of the readers and people that replied there where standing at my side" is in my opinion a matter of perception, therefore I assent to your statement that everyone understanding German should read that thread himself if he's interested in this story.

6) If "you as a customer ask some simple questions" I advise you to ask that company directly (BBRV's e-mail address is well-known) instead of asking people in public forums who themselves just can guess.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 74 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 19-Feb-2003 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Senex):
> BBRV can hardly fire me since, as almost everyone reading amiga-news.de
> knows, I'm not a Genesi-employee.

I can't spent all day reading amiga-news.de that I know that you are NO employee of Genesi. I have serious work to do. But since you are no employee of Genesi you should seriously STOP advocating them or play their parrot. Everyone listens to your babbel (and you write seriously a lot for Genesi) assumes wrong that you are an official hired employee.

> Even neutral people laughed at you there and called your comments
> "real satire".

Maybe. At the freaking end I'm still a human and emotional driven as everyone else. I wasn't born as an evil person on this globe. As written earlier I'm usually a calmed nice person who is all about giving and taking and having more or less nice conversations with people. Generally I totally avoid writing in a way like this to people. But at the end more people laughed at you, by telling you to shut the fuck up.

> As I told you there, we answered to you to the best of our knowledge.

Yeah and we found out that you know nothing or at least play the 'wanna be know it all'. At the final end you know as much as we do not more not less but you should seriously consider to STOP advocating them and give people the wrong impression that you know more.

> Especially I refuse that I would have given wrong information.

As I wrote earlier everyone is welcome reading amiga-news.de I have nothing to hide. People can judge on their own after they read the stuff there.

> If "you as a customer ask some simple questions" I advise you to ask that
> company directly (BBRV's e-mail address is well-known) instead of asking
> people in public forums who themselves just can guess.

This is a very good advice. I only wonder why you havent advised me earlier ? You and the few minions of Genesi could have stopped this shittalk in it's roots but instead doing this you all where up teasing with your customers. Dude the times where I played the moron 16 y.o. are over 14 y ago. I'm no longer the geek spending all time behind my Amiga and counting the times that Jay Miner was sitting on his toilet and shit. I have private life, other problems to solve and normal business to do.

Next time someone asks some questions simply keep your mouth shut or reply something like this: 'Sorry dude, I don't work for Genesi, I know as much shit as you', instead doing this you give the wrong impression to be some sort of cock choker for them since you advocate them on every place. All your writings must be really filling 12-16 hours per day without payment are you doing something else in the meantime ? Ever thought to move with your furniture into the ass of BB or RV ? You are a nobody so stop adocating them or spread halbacked shit into the public. At the final end it's not about the lame few questions I've asked. I actually don't care for them anymore but I'm totally upset about people like you.

I now need to appologize to Genesi for being rude to them but I think that BBRV and the Genesi team will understand that all this was backed out of wrong information and politics. It's not my fault as customer to mistakenly belive in wrong things since I was fed with wrong information through a person who I assumed to work for Genesi.

Sorry,

- GALAXY -
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 75 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 19-Feb-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (- GALAXY -):
> All your writings must be really filling 12-16 hours per day without payment
> are you doing something else in the meantime ?

Galaxy, you're exaggerating. In fact I don't write that many comments and especially not every day. And of course I do have to do something else. I'm a scientist. But sometimes one has a few minutes during the experiments and some of that time I do spend on the web.

Personally, neither did I know nothing nor did I know everything. Therefore I just wanted to guide the discussion a bit to avoid totally wrong speculations - but had on the other hand to take care of not saying more than I thought I was allowed to. That's all. And I had told you this in that thread at Amiga-News.de already back then. And, as I mentioned already in my other comment above, I think the crux might just have been different understandings of what a STB is. That's why many people, not only I, told you, that to us it doesn't matter in which case you put the Pegasos-mainboard, it's still a computer to us, even if (what I didn't know back then) Genesi wants to market it under the (IMHO stupid, because obviously misleading) name "Pegasos-STB".

Anyway, I do not know how that thread at Amiga-News.de got that much out of control (although it's been just you, not the general public who got upset and drove the number of comments to that height), but since you at least don't accuse Genesi now anymore for anything, but only me personally, I can live with that very well and therefore think we should close that topic now.

Yours,
Senex the Moron.
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 76 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by - GALAXY - on 19-Feb-2003 22:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Senex):
Yes I think we should really close this sad chapter in open user interaction. Let's simply forget about it since I'm not in mood to continue on this level for another amount of time and I don't want to embrace the people with that. A last note to you: 'Please be carefully with your comments in the public in future times people tend to become upset really fast as it happened this time'. Hope we can get back to normality now.

- GALAXY -
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 77 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2003 00:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (- GALAXY -):
>You and the few minions of Genesi could have stopped this shittalk in it's roots >Next time someone asks some questions simply keep your mouth shut or reply something>like this: 'Sorry dude, I don't work for Genesi, I know as much shit as you', instead>doing this you give the wrong impression to be some sort of cock choker for them since>you advocate them on every place. All your writings must be really filling 12-16 hours>per day without payment are you doing something else in the meantime ? Ever thought to>move with your furniture into the ass of BB or RV ? Didn't your mother teach you to speak decently to adult people?Seriously dude, you should wash your mouth diligently and come down from your high horseor you will run into real trouble eventually...
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 78 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 20-Feb-2003 03:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
>If you mean IEEE1394 aka Firewire aka iLink etc. - no, it is not slow.
>Check out http://www.xbitlabs.com/storage/usb20-fw/ where FW crushes USB2.
>http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,883545,00.asp shows it to be
>faster, too. Apple has the 800MBit FW now, so this will be even better.
Apple's 800MBit FW has nothing to do with the current Pegy motherboard....
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 79 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 20-Feb-2003 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Lando):
>Someone else who can't see past megahertz ratings...
Who said it was just the megahertz?
Genesi comment about their near- and midterm strategy : Comment 80 of 80ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2003 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (hammer):
Neither does USB2.
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