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[News] Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4ANN.lu
Posted on 11-Apr-2003 07:25 GMT by samface213 comments
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Cross-post from AmigaWorld.net:

For you who can't read Swedish, the release of AOS4 for CSPPC is drawing closer. Hyperion have found a reliable repair shop repariting broken Cyberstorms for them.

GGS-data announcement (in Swedish). Intertran (free online text/webpage translations into many languages)

Hyperion is making an offer to relay the broken boards of GGS's (and other scandinavian resellers') customers to this repair shop. This relay-offer will rotate between the various Amiga dealers of the world so as not to swamp the repair shop. First off are the Scandinavian resellers.

GGS is now asking people to send in their broken CSPPC:s to them for batch-sending to Hyperion. The price is 1250 SEK (135 euro). If the card cannot be repaired within 3 months, it will be returned by Hyperion at no cost.

If you are an interested Scandinavian (or just really, really impatient), contact GGS data at GGS contact form (Other Scandinavian resellers should have got the same offer)

Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 51 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Apr-2003 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Sorry, I wasn't aware that being a "MorphOS follower" is to be considered some kind of insult or stigma.

Let it be known that I am an AmigaOS4 follower and proud of it and everybody is hereby invited to insult me as "OS 4 follower"."

Why can't someone be both an AmigaOS4 follower and a MorphOS follower? They are both interesting projects that allow you to use Amiga programs on more up to date hardware.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 52 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 11-Apr-2003 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Emeric SH):
Sorry, he IS a well-known MorphOS follower.

Period.

I find it amusing that we are discussing this type of nonsense when the real question "why does Hyperion need to step in to organise repairs for hardware produced by other companies" goes unaddressed.

But then, the answer might not please certain parties.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 53 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Don Cox):
"Knowing how many owners of these cards are having problems with them, it seems to me that it is very helpful of Ben to organise this.

I would have thought that people wanting to run either MorphOS or AmigaOS 4 on their cards would be grateful."

Both Hyperion and Genesi tried to solve the repair issues - both had hard times from a few users. The majority keeps it as a good sign, and grateful.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 54 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Edgar on 11-Apr-2003 11:52 GMT
This is a sad day in Amiga history with being insulted and attacked by the people who are the future of Amiga, If it was a spoof then i could accept it but it is the real deal attacking people who have opinions and it saddens me to see Hyperion out if full force ready to insult anyone who will not bow down and just act like dumb cheerleaders.

A very sad day in Amiga history
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 55 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 11-Apr-2003 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>We are offering people the chance to get their very expensive hardware >repaired after the original producer went bankrupt and the current IP holder >is no longer interested in either repairing or producing them.

Indeed! And that is and has been allways the problem about those products from Phase5. You can't get better but the support is crap all the way.

Funny I allmost never hear people talking about that.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 56 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Emeric SH):
""(Both Hyperion and Genesi tried to solve the repair issues - both had hard times from a few users. The majority keeps it as a good sign, and grateful.)"

No this is the first attempt as fare as i know from hyperion.

Genesi tried & failed.

We have get to see if hyperion will pull it off.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 57 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Edgar):
I would say that marktime insulted hyperion with his this is some sort of preos4 payment scam.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 58 of 213ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 59 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by wouter on 11-Apr-2003 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (MarkTime):
MorphOS and AmigaOS4 flame-throwers unite (for a change) and fry DCE. Maybe they wake up and have customer support again.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 60 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Rotch on 11-Apr-2003 12:02 GMT
Ben Hermans WHY? do you want our custom or just find it amusing to insult members of the Amiga community?

If this is how they treat their customers then sadly they have lost my custom.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 61 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 11-Apr-2003 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> In Reply to Comment 30:
> I'm sorry but what a completely ridiculous post this is.

> We are offering people the chance to get their very expensive hardware
> repaired after the original producer went bankrupt and the current IP holder
> is no longer interested in either repairing or producing them.

I think it's damn nice of your company to do this for free. That's what I like to hear from companies, willing to go the extra length and do something for the community on their own tab.

> This offer must be judged on its own merits and has nothing to do with OS 4
> other than the fact that in the future OS 4 will run on these boards, or not
> depending on what the user decides.

OK, I'm impressed.

> It's saddening to see that MorphOS followers are now so instilled with hatred > against Hyperion

I just knew I wouldn't be impressed for too long. Once again Ben, you have lived below my expectations with this stupid "we're victums of hate" spin. Are you all feeling the heat that much from the failure of MAI mobo's and your porting schedule?

> that they can't even understand that there are scores of
> people who are dying to get their hardware repaired and that it is in fact a
> Genesi/bPlan affiliated company which has not lifted a finger to make this
> happen.

Could you give us a number of what this "scores" means? Surely you must have a good idea if your paying the bill for their repairs.

> I should also point out that the original designer of the Cyberstorm PPC
> hardware now works for bPlan but that that company too has not lifted a finger > to help these people.

You Euros have a funny liability laws over there if people who worked for one company have an eternal debt to end customers over product support when they leave to work for another company.

> Maybe you should bark up the right tree for a change.

Hey, I'm finally impressed that you all are going to get PUP repaired for those, even included the ones that could not afford to do so in the first place. Thumbs up to you Ben!

Dammy
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 62 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 11-Apr-2003 12:05 GMT
Much as I hate to interrupt a good bout of bickering, I have an actual question about the subject. I've been told by one local repair shop that they were unable to repair my dead CSPPC. I've checked with one other shop which does CSPPC repairs and they say only 50% are reparable by them. Is this generally the case, or will the Hyperion service be able to provide a higher probability of repair?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 63 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 11-Apr-2003 12:05 GMT
Sorry, forgot the </sarcasism> tag on the bottom of my post.

Dammy
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 64 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 11-Apr-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Roj):
Hard to say.

All cards we have sent in for repair so far (around 8 in all I think) were repaired successfully.

Basically the deal is that if the card cannot be repaired, it will be sent back to you, free of charge.

If it can be repaired, you pay 135 euro upon receipt, not prior.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 65 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Ex hyperion Fan on 11-Apr-2003 12:08 GMT
I know you guys are under a lot of stress but is there any need to slag off your future customers?.

I am typing this message now with tears streaming down my face because i am so upset about what you said.

I hope you can be a man and apologies.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 66 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Ex hyperion Fan):
Marktime IS not a hyerion customer & never was going to me a customer of the ppc cards or Aos4 for ppc cards.

So Marktime started his provocative post.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 67 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Terry Knowles on 11-Apr-2003 12:22 GMT
@Ben Hermans

Thank you for your wonderful comments which have really exposed your true colors, how anyone could support such a company like yours after that would be wrong and i really think one of the moderators must remove your comment as it is disgraceful and must not be on show for all the world to see.

Very sad day indeed.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 68 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Mike Rotch):
""If this is how they treat their customers then sadly they have lost my custom.""

Yet aonther person who had no intention of being one in the first place but made out as if he was cos you must be blind to the insults genesi have siad to Amiga users in the past.

Posting of personal info of amigausers on forms.
Threatining emails to amigausers.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 69 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 11-Apr-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Alan):
Stating that MorphOS followers are instilled with hatred towards Hyperion does of course not exclude the possibility of others being instilled with hatred towards them too. Pointing out a specific characteristic for a type of category does not equal categorizing. You, on the other hand, are the one categorizing when you claim to know who belongs to what category. Ben never did.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 70 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anonymous):
I would consider posting that someone with the nick Catohagen is named Cato Hagen
and half his phone number (that's unusuable) is releasing personal information.
I'm aware of any threatening mails. He emailed several people to have a discussion
with them. Ok, he did bad stuff in the past but as you have can in his posting,
these days are over. No more "thread wars".
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 71 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (samface):
Samface stop defending Hermans, you know he was in the wrong but he is to do with an Amiga company so lets all blindly ignore his insults.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 72 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 11-Apr-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Terry Knowles):
I'm sure there is people that would be very much grateful if these kind of things were covered up. I'm sorry but everything he said is very much true and I really don't see why it should be censored. There was no personal insults nor anything inaccurate, I'd say he put it in a very polite and professional way if you ask me.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 73 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (samface):
I'm a MorphOS "follower" and I'm NOT instilled with hatred towards Hyperion.
I did not categorise anyone in here a BAF or an Amiga worshipper or anything.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 74 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 11-Apr-2003 12:45 GMT
/me wonders why is it that most flamers are anonymous or using a fake identity?

This trusted user system was a good idea, maybe it could be developed even further somehow.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 75 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 11-Apr-2003 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (samface):
What he said about MOS followers is not true. I'm a MOS follower and he knows
better than you that I'm not against them.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 76 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 11-Apr-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, you're making a fool of yourself.

First, Genesi - of which Bplan is a part - has made an effort to help
people with PPC repair problems. If they were successful, I don't know
- I haven't heard any substantial info about this. But claiming that
they have "not lifted a finger" is clearly untruthful.

Second, it's really disgraceful to see you speak of "MorphOS
followers" in this way. I'm a MorphOS follower. I was interested when
I saw this news item since I have a broken CSPPC that needs repair. I
would be willing to pay you 135 EUR if you could fix it. So I was just
about to ask who is doing these repairs and if they are able to
replace the BGA soldered PPC chip. The comments suggest this isn't the
case and I'd lose my CSPPC for 3 months (the 68k part still works and
I use it every day, so this would be quite bad for me).

Anyway, I think you'd better change your attitude. Yes, I'm a MorphOS
follower. Besides from that, I don't even believe AmigaOS4 will see
the light of day, at least not this year. However, if you prove me
wrong, I'd be very interested and it's very likely I'd buy a copy. So
I don't see any reason for this hostility?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 77 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Red_Melons on 11-Apr-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (samface):
So you really think anyone that says anything negative about Amiga are MorphOS Followers? what a load of shit, i am an Amiga fan but i do not like Amiga Inc and never had so all of a sudden i do not want OS4 but MorphOS, pure bollox and even worse when such ignorant people believe that shit.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 78 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Robert on 11-Apr-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
> Samface stop defending Hermans, you know he was in
> the wrong but he is to do with an Amiga company so
> lets all blindly ignore his insults.

For once I have to agree with the above.

@Ben:
I'm sure you didn't mean to insult people but your statement was a bit insensitive.

I am practically foaming at the mouth, waiting on A1/AOS4.
However, I will probably be getting a pegasos when they become readily available too.
(Including PSA with MorphOS is too good an incentive for me to ignore ;))

It is possible to be a 'follower' (if that's the word) of both.
I consider myself to be one.

All the best,
Robert.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 79 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Remco Komduur on 11-Apr-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Terry Knowles):
What do you mean his true colors?

You are talking rubbish again like so many others.

What is this thread about I ask you!!!!

If you really want to talk about something then make comments about the fact that Hyperion has to initiate actions to get hardware fixed which should be fixed by other people.

Start spewing your critisism at those companies that FAIL misserably at this point.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 80 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 11-Apr-2003 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, good question :

"why does Hyperion need to step in to organise repairs for hardware produced by other companies"

I'm sure it would clear the air if you could clarify how Hyperion's middleman role is an improvement on people sending the boards to the repairer themselves.

Thanks,

Gregg
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 81 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 12:55 GMT
Now that i have read bens comment again he could of worded it better.

He should of said some MOS followers when in talking about more than just the one person.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 82 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Rod,Jane and freddy on 11-Apr-2003 13:00 GMT
What a great evaluaton you have Ben, i am sitting here waiting for AmigaOne and OS4 but do not believe a word Fleecy and his PR people say so by your amazing conclusions by some magic i am now a MorphOS follower and worshipper.

Mods are you sure that is not someone spoofing Ben?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 83 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Rod,Jane and freddy on 11-Apr-2003 13:01 GMT
What a great evaluaton you have Ben, i am sitting here waiting for AmigaOne and OS4 but do not believe a word Fleecy and his PR people say so by your amazing conclusions by some magic i am now a MorphOS follower and worshipper.

Mods are you sure that is not someone spoofing Ben?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 84 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 11-Apr-2003 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben Hermans/Hyperion wrote:
[...]

> This offer must be judged on its own merits and has nothing to do with OS 4 other than the fact that in the future OS 4 will run on these boards, or not depending on what the user decides.

I think it's a great thing you're doing, for what my opinion's worth (that of a guy with certain affiliations with Genesi, as it happens).

> It's saddening to see that MorphOS followers are now so instilled with hatred against Hyperion that they can't even understand that there are scores of people who are dying to get their hardware repaired and that it is in fact a Genesi/bPlan affiliated company which has not lifted a finger to make this happen.

It's equally saddening to see such a gross overgeneralization that so unfairly characterizes a large group of people due to the immature comments of a few. As others have pointed out, there are a lot of people who haven't taken sides in all of this, who'll happily buy from both your company and your competitors. But I'm afraid the more you display that kind of response to sideline hecklers, the more you contribute to the polarization.

> I should also point out that the original designer of the Cyberstorm PPC hardware now works for bPlan but that that company too has not lifted a finger to help these people.

The fact that the original designer worked for the company that has been absorbed by what is now Genesi hardly means that he is free to extend an offer to repair the boards he designed. He has a personal link; does that have any bearing on his current employer's position? Odd logic that seems more an attempt to imply some kind of guilt than anything else. Again, why react by throwing barbs back again?

-- gary_c
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 85 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (gary_c):
large group of people LOL
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 86 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 11-Apr-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Anonymous):
>He should of said some MOS followers when in talking about more than just
>the one person.

Agreed. Also, I personally believe he would have been better off not bringing the MorphOS issue into this thread at all. Would've gotten less flak.

Also, I do think it was unfair of him to associate this with Genesi and not mention Genesi's efforts to get PPC cards repaired via DCE (and discounts given to Pegasos clients based on that as well).

The wars are just so unnecessary. This effort to get PPC cards by Hyperion in itself is commendable and very constructive, I welcome it and applaud them for it. I don't welcome Ben's comments in this thread.

Whatever you say of Bill Buck, he got one thing finally right - we, really, should all get back to work. There are productive things to do.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 87 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 11-Apr-2003 13:15 GMT
Serious question here , I don't really need my blizzardppc card *fixed* anymore ( its working ok'ish ) but I need a replacement for the fan that is fitted on the simm side of the card.

Anyone know where such a fan can be sourced from in the UK?
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 88 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by fishy_fish on 11-Apr-2003 13:15 GMT
Hmmm.... what the hell is going on with the amiga community. They used to be a bunch of fairly intelligent people who where interested in a better alternative to the blatantly flawed mainstream. Ninety-five percent of the posts here suggest otherwise. Pretty disheartening really. A lot of the responses arent even responding to what was said, more to the way the responder shapes (innaccurately, and I suspect they even know this) the original comments. Personally I see having two new OSes with WB at the heart a good thing (and Im not talking literally, so please dont comment on this any clowns that where thinking about it) , but apprently Im pretty much alone here, or so it appears. As for Hyperion attempting to help ppl repair their PPC cards, kudos to them I say. It's a good thing to both sectors of the Amiga camp. Anyway that's it, just had to get that off my chest. Bring on CommodoreOne I say :)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 89 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (gary_c):
Overgeneralization!

And we have all been guilty of that at times, All of us have even when we mean just a few.


Ben didnt post a general comment it was a reply to marktime who is a kown MOS follower.

He even then later pointed out that he was talking about marktime.

But i see its to such for some of ppl to COMPREHEND.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 90 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 11-Apr-2003 13:26 GMT
No matter the real intentions, it was indeed unstrategic of Ben to mention
MOS at all, if nothing else because it is sure to draw forth plenty of people
feeling rightfully insulted (just the way people get insulted being called
BAF:s just because they don't bash AInc in every thread or because they visit a
certain website).

Now, MarkTime's post was both unfactual and unnessecarily aggressive (I wonder
if it was MarkTime at all, actually) and Ben has been known to be quick to bite
at even lesser flamebait than that. But look where it got us - a soon 100+
thread about nothing when it could have been a 50-post thread saying Hyperion
is doing a good thing. Too bad.
.
SlimJim (thinking the CSPPC repair idea is a good move.)
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 91 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 11-Apr-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks for this Ben. I think Hyperion are doing a very good and valuable service for CSPPC owners with this offer and I really can't understand the hostility towards Hyperion, who have done, and continue to do, so much good for the Amiga community. Yes, I am also a "MOS supporter" but being so doesn't have to mean "Anti-Hyperion".
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 92 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (SlimJim):
I dont mind ppl calling me A AmigaOS follower & insult cos its true.

But i do mind being called a Amiga.inc follower & insult cos it aint true.

But being called a blind follower of anything is an inslut.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 93 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 11-Apr-2003 13:44 GMT
Hyperion is coordinating a valuable service, end of story.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 94 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Not a worshipper on 11-Apr-2003 13:58 GMT
I see the army of Hyperion apologists are coming to battle to cover up the nasty disgraceful and offensive statement a Amiga company has ever said in the history of Amiga.

You guys disgust me
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 95 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Zorro on 11-Apr-2003 14:00 GMT
Mos and AmigaOS fan should be unite rather then fighting everywhere and everytime ! We share the same community ! Stop this war and begin to be glad of the good news that came from the two sides of the same medal...
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 96 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Zorro):
Why should we when it is plain to see that Genesi is trying to destroy the Amiga which every way it can, it is sad and we REAL AMIGA USERS must unite and stop supporting the evil side before the Amiga is killed off once and for all.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 97 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Not a worshipper):
""I see the army of Hyperion apologists are coming to battle to cover up the nasty disgraceful and offensive statement a Amiga company has ever said in the history of Amiga.

You guys disgust me""


Your doing exactly what you are accusing Hyperion doing.

overgeneralization & insulting ppl calling ppl Hyperion apologists.

Your calling Hyperion an Amiga company when they are a software company who makes Software for many platforms & companies.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 98 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 11-Apr-2003 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Not a worshipper):
>I see the army of Hyperion apologists are coming to battle to cover up the nasty disgraceful
> and offensive statement a Amiga company has ever said in the history of Amiga.

Nobody who has read this thread can take this seriously. Ben was called a liar and a theif and his response was meant to address the bias of Mark and was not an insult directed at MorphOs users in general. He even clarified this by saying that being a MorphOs follower was "not" meant as an insult.

It seemss like the people making a big deal out this have another agenda.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 99 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 11-Apr-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Terry Knowles):
Terry, it's nothing new for him, public relations isn't his strong suit.
Hyperion offering repair of CSPPC:s awaiting AOS4 : Comment 100 of 213ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Not a worshipper):
I notice you never show up when the Genesi apologists show up to cover up the nasty disgraceful and offensive statements that genesi make.

I would not call what ben said as the nasty disgraceful and offensive statement a Amiga company has ever said in the history of Amiga.

Your history of Amiga must be extreamly limited if you think so.
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