| [News] Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 29-Apr-2003 21:07 GMT by Peter Gordon | 167 comments
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Bill McEwen has posted a very short press release explaining that he'll attend the AmiWest show.
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 101 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by samface on 30-Apr-2003 12:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 99 (Anonymous):
Stop trying to cover this fraud up by repeating the same old arguments against the competition. Neither Eyetech, Amiga Inc., nor Hyperion is the issue here. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 102 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Apr-2003 12:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 101 (samface):
So, you only care about frauds from Genesi (if you can call this one a fraud,
it isn't imho, and it will be proved, it's very likely after all the stuff I
learned about A Inc...) and not the countless ones from AInc. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 103 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Apr-2003 12:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 101 (samface):
Covering up fraud? What fraud? You do know what fraud is, right?
[Hint: Coupons scams = fraud; Pre-orders for non-existent hardware (e.g. Boxer) = fraud; Taking something without permission = theft, not fraud; Spreading false rumours about competitor = lying, not fraud ]
Or if you mean that one or other of the people involved is in general a fraud, well sure I agree, but I've no use covering up for any of the scumbags of the Amiga community, if someone wants to label some scumbags "red" and some "blue" I'll stay out of that, color of skin or otherwise means nothing to me - they all look like scumbags.
So, while I'm not "covering up" this BBRV scumbag, I hope you won't mind me not "covering up" the truth about Eyetech and the Articia fix, which seemed to be the topic I was replying on before you interrupted. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 104 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Apr-2003 12:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 102 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
@Alkis
Aren't we a little of topic here? But I assume that you will do what you always
do, try to shift the focus from your hero BB. If you want to do so, please
do, but do it in appropriate threads. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 105 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anon on 30-Apr-2003 13:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Anonymous):
Um, you're shifting the focus... check the thread title. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 106 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Apr-2003 13:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 104 (Anonymous):
I replied to something very specific. Practically, what he said meant that he
only cares about bad stories about Genesi while ignoring the ones regarding
Amiga Inc.
BTW... BB is even more OT here, check the title. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 107 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 30-Apr-2003 13:37 GMT | | It is amusing there are still people who believe their twisted minds. AI confirmed that business card being genuine. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 108 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by alles_Freaks on 30-Apr-2003 13:42 GMT | hehe, the latest "happenings" in the amiga "community" if you can still call it like that are just plain stupid wars...
but i know for sure i will never put my trust in anything from genesi, not because of the stuff the company is developing, just because of ..erhm.. unusal "marketing" and way to much unproven statements...
its like my neighbor trying to sell me his refridgerator.. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 109 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by zimmy on 30-Apr-2003 13:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (Nicolas Mendoza):
"part of the fast-paced development of their new products."
The crack pipe is full
Zimmy
Rubi Ka |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 110 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by PaulT on 30-Apr-2003 13:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (takemehomegrandma):
User takemehomegrandma said, in part:
"The A1 hasn't come alive *as an Amiga* yet (I hope it will though)! It's born, but it resides in an incubator, breathing linux."
That is CLASSIC. I'm adding it to my all time quote list!
Right up there with, "I believe in God because there's no other explanation for Apple's continued survival." (Guy Kawasaki of Apple, interview on Wabash & Lake web site. ) |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 111 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 30-Apr-2003 14:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 109 (zimmy):
It really amuses me to no end how users who obviously have no signed NDA/SDA think they know what goes on (i.e. think nothing is going on) for DEvelopers. Lots of interesting stuff is going on for SDA developers, and Amiga are - contrary to popular belief (at least among those who would rather see them fail) - supporting their SDA developers very well.
Obviously no matter how many times this is said, the blind nay-sayers will simply either say the developers are lying or ignore it. It's a sad state of affairs indeed. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 112 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Apr-2003 14:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 111 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
Dunno about the support you get but I know enough about the economics of the
company, not to trust anything I hear from them...
Anyway, as long as Hyperion owns the rights to OS4, they can even go bankrupt,
no problem whatsoever:) |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 113 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by zimmy on 30-Apr-2003 14:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Remco Komduur):
Today I saw the "Emperors New clothes" on the Amiga Inc site
is the crackpipe 1/2 full or empty?
Zimmy
Athens |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 114 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MIKE on 30-Apr-2003 14:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Peter Gordon):
Peter, well or they don't know yet (there is no office/phone to get a hold of these guys), and they don't appear to be able to communicate very well. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 115 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Gregg on 30-Apr-2003 14:55 GMT | I find it a little surprising that no-one has pointed this out yet :
Given the poor record of AI in meeting commitments to turn up at public events, it's rather amusing how much emphasis some people are putting on yet another announcement about something that might, or might not, happen in three months time.
Then again, someone _has_ pointed out that, if this CEO switch is formally scheduled for the beginning of May, the timing of this announcement is designed to muddy the waters to maximum effect; in any event, given the way they _could_ have handled the CEO furore, this little gem is nothing less than we have come to expect of their stunning communication skills.
Do carry on, chaps.
Last but not least :
Anyone else notice the little dichotomy AI's defenders have got themselves into?
1) Of course AI haven't commented on BB's CEO nonsense - why should they?
2) See, Bill McEwen is still CEO - it says it right there on their Web site.
3) Uhh... but that's not in answer to BB, right?
4) Shut up!
Laugh? Don't mind if I do...
Gregg
P.S. samface, can you make your posts a little shorter, please? Makes it easier for us to skip past 'em - thanks much. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 116 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Joe Vidueira on 30-Apr-2003 15:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 115 (Gregg):
What IS funny is how much time and thought you naysayers devote to debunking everything 'Amiga.' Surely you can find something more positive to do with your time. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 117 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 30-Apr-2003 15:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 95 (samface):
> In Reply to Comment 91:
> "Why are you trying to shoot the messenger and not the one who apparently has
> been stating that he is the new CEO/Chairman?"
> Messenger? Try misinformer. It is obvious that his claims were false, period.
No, your the one being dishonest now. Buck mearly repeated what he was told and had Hare's business card. He mentioned this in IRC, and that statement was dragged to the web boards by others. So why are you claiming Buck is misinforming and but not Garry Hare? Intellectual dishonesty, for shame!
Dammy |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 118 of 167 | ANN.lu |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 119 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by informationminister on 30-Apr-2003 16:03 GMT | Bill MC Ewen has hired a new PR person. Very interesting
announcements coming up:
http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.php?ID=612128276
So, BBRV and Genesi, you have heard it: Run, run and hide... |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 120 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Remco Komduur on 30-Apr-2003 17:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 115 (Gregg):
>Then again, someone _has_ pointed out that, if this CEO switch is formally >scheduled for the beginning of May, the timing of this announcement is >designed to muddy the waters to maximum effect; in any event, given the way >they _could_ have handled the CEO furore, this little gem is nothing less than >we have come to expect of their stunning communication skills.
Oohhh yes.....and the *communication* skills of Genesi are so great! |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 121 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Apr-2003 18:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 100 (samface):
Their offices in Snoqualmie? THEIR WHAT!?
Ok, ok... Go and read some Rich Woods stuff in some previews threads...
You're in for surprise... Yes, you can pretty easily confirm what he said... |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 122 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Apr-2003 18:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 116 (Joe Vidueira):
I don't say anything bad about anything "Amiga", I say pretty bad things about
Amiga *INC*. There's a difference here... |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 123 of 167 | ANN.lu |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 124 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Turrican on 30-Apr-2003 19:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 120 (Remco Komduur):
"Oohhh yes.....and the *communication* skills of Genesi are so great!"
Well at least they *communicate* with us, the common users (or not), the "crowd" unlike some others.
Unlike many AINC lovers, I find Genesi's (BBRV) day to day contribution (and most of the times AND their attitude) in our public forums very nice!
BBRV is surely not an ordinary character, or an ordinary CEO! But hey, Genesi is not an ordinary company either! :)
Turrican
PS. Lets don't forget and some credit for Ben Hermans of Hyperion for his contribution to our forums too! |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 125 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 30-Apr-2003 19:37 GMT | Tought i might throw in my 2 cents...
Amiga Inc have no reason to react to these claims, it's their responceability (or however it's spelled) to inform people of such things, and they will do so if/when this happens.
As for the bussinnesscard being genuine, some seem to claim that Ainc confirmed that, some sa |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 126 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 30-Apr-2003 19:52 GMT | Tought i might throw in my 2 cents...
Amiga Inc have no reason to react to these claims, it's their responceability (or however it's spelled) to inform people of such things, and they will do so if/when this happens.
As for the bussinnesscard being genuine, some seem to claim that Ainc confirmed that, some say that Fleecy confirmed Garry Hare to be working at Ainc, ok, maybe these are true, maybe not, if they (Ainc) want to anounce this, they will.
Alkis Tsapanidis, i've grown to distrust you, can't really explain why, except that you seem to be babling & screaming that you know Ainc "behind" the scenes, while other, more trustworthy (for me) people claim otherwise.
Yes, Ainc is having a hard time financially, i'm pretty sure Genesi has to count every penny twice too, even if they make it seem asif they've got money to burn, this is bussinnes, Genesi stopped building the P1, Eyetech is still selling the A1, and yes, they do sell nicely.
Bill Buck, i've grown to dislike you more & more aswell, yes, i think you spread FUD, you've made plenty of "funny" claims in the past...
I've always been a supporter of the A1/AOS4 project, and i'll stay that way, if AOS4 were to fail (wich i'm sure Hyperion & Eyetech won't allow) i'll switch to another system, but that system won't be MOS, i won't touch any of your products.
I'm sick & tired of these little games you play, and i for one hope that someday you'll finally shut up & leave the "Amiga community" wich you so dearly claim to love.
You are a parasite, some will claim Ainc to be one too, because of them coupons & T-shirts, maybe they are aswell, but atleast Eyetech & Hyperion are doing a fine job, working quetly, unlike you.
Please do us a favour, stop posting FUD.
*disclaimer:
- If you are going to call me a troll, don't bother, i won't bite the bait
- If you are going to call me a thename fanatic, don't bother, i don't care
- If you are going to put me in a camp, don't bother, i can pick my own camps
- If you are going to slander me, don't bother, i won't bite the bait
- If you offer me a pegasos, i'll cave your head in with it
PS: My email is ochal <at> kefren.be i don't give a rats behind if you lot start bombing me or flaming me |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 127 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 30-Apr-2003 20:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 124 (Turrican):
well, sorry. If I got to choose, I wouldn't choose bbrv's "communication".
most of it is just sugarwrapped and that disgust me. Other parts of it is delibarte misinformation and yet other parts ramblings.
I don't know what it is, if it's cultural clashes or what, but the way he does his business makes my skin crawl. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 128 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Turrican on 30-Apr-2003 21:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (reflect):
Ofcourse your opinion is understundable :)
You don't like the way BBRV communicate while I do, but be carefull on the "misinformation" part!
You seem to find BBRV's facts as "misinformation" while others (me included) don't. On the contrary I find Alan's and Fleecy's facts way more "misinformative"!
Does this make AmigaOne / AmigaOS 4 *evil* for me? No!
Would I be happy to see AmigaOne / AmigaOS 4 fail? No!
Would I choose a Pegasos over an AmigaOne? Yes! (but hey I've always been a Peg fan :) |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 129 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by informationminister on 30-Apr-2003 21:07 GMT | This is the new Amiga PR person who has same great news for us and the future of A Inc. I got this stream off CNN :
http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.php?ID=612128276
You need Flash to see this exclusive news. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 130 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by reflect on 30-Apr-2003 23:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 128 (Turrican):
Turrican said :
"You don't like the way BBRV communicate while I do, but be carefull on the "misinformation" part!
You seem to find BBRV's facts as "misinformation" while others (me included) don't. On the contrary I find Alan's and Fleecy's facts way more "misinformative"!"
Please note, I'm not saying one or the other is better at whatnot.
What I do say is that bbrv's tactics in communicating seriously clashes with my own ethics. I'm fully aware of the fact that people consider Fleecy and McEwen to have uttered lies in the past. This recent event though, is most ramblings and misinformation from bbrv, while AInc was mostly silent. While it would have been nice with some info on Garry Hare and this card issue, I don't expect them to react on every rumour out there, nor would I want them to. They were silent, and later issued a press release signed 'the CEO'.
I have no illusions about McE not beeing the CEO in the future, trust me on that one. Thing is, there hasn't been any rumours started from AInc in a long time, yet bbrv seems to start a whole lot of them. This CEO thing is just one of them, and I'm getting quite bored with the whole aspect.
Frankly, I think bbrv does more harm than good to Genesi (this isn't exactly the first time he's out on a limb, although this time not nearly as serious as many other times). |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 131 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by redfox on 30-Apr-2003 23:57 GMT | Unless I have missed some more "new" news, Bill's response seems to indicate that he is the CEO of Amiga Inc ... for now ... end of story, no further explanations.
As for next week ......
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redfox |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 132 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Daniel Miller on 01-May-2003 00:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (Amon_Re):
Amon_Re typed:
> the P1, Eyetech is still selling the A1, and
> yes, they do sell nicely.
What are the sales figures then, since you say this?
> I've always been a supporter of the A1/AOS4 project, and i'll stay that way,
> if AOS4 were to fail (wich i'm sure Hyperion & Eyetech won't allow) i'll
> switch to another system, but that system won't be MOS, i won't touch any of
> your products.
Good, who wants you really?
> I'm sick & tired of these little games you play, and i for one hope that
> someday you'll finally shut up & leave the "Amiga
> community" wich you so dearly claim to love.
> You are a parasite, some will claim Ainc to be one too, because of them
> coupons & T-shirts, maybe they are aswell, but
> atleast Eyetech & Hyperion are doing a fine job, working quetly, unlike you.
> Please do us a favour, stop posting FUD.
BBRV didn't print the business card. What should they do, keep it a big secret? |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 133 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 01-May-2003 02:08 GMT | It seems that not everyone can recall "Raquel and Bill"'s said post.
From http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&page=2&cpp=10&nid=290
Post 11
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From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck <bbrv@noos.fr>
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:09:17 +0200
To: <ds@morphos-news.de>
Cc: <Phoenix@phinixi.com>
Subject: More info...
Info from Genesi about Gary Hare...
Yesterday, we mentioned on the MorphOS IRC Channel that we had spoken to the new Amiga Inc. CEO some time ago. Honestly, we thought this was "old" news. Gary Hare is based in California, but apparently has some good contacts in China and Europe and is working with the largest Amiga Inc. shareholder to turn the situation around. In March they were still trying to sort out the plan and secure funding so we decided to let the lawsuit against Amiga Inc. lay dormant until we could figure out if there was the potential for a new relationship with the "name." :-)
We did not withdraw the suit. Court dates have been set. We just decided to give them some time to get organized. We would like to work with them. Certainly, there are many mutually beneficial things we could do together.
We have offered across the board assistance! We are hoping to hear something soon.
On the Snoqualmie front the operation is 100% gone -- everything has been or will be sold to creditors. We tried to get in on this, but there were far too many people in line first (including multiple valid legal claims against the company). The good thing is these problems seem as though they might be settled and that the "classic" OS will stay under the control of the new organization.
These are just facts everyone. We would all like to see Amiga Inc. survive even if it might be for different reasons...;-)
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
Genesi
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 134 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 01-May-2003 02:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 124 (Turrican):
>Well at least they *communicate* with us, the common users (or not), >the "crowd" unlike some others.
One should moderate their sayings first before spewing out trash... |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 135 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hammer on 01-May-2003 02:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 133 (Hammer):
Can't seem to locate BillMc is gone quote.... (PS; I do remember it)... |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 136 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 01-May-2003 02:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 124 (Turrican):
>BBRV is surely not an ordinary character, or an ordinary CEO! But hey, Genesi >is not an ordinary company either! (SNIP)
Are you condoning Mr Buck’s recent actions? |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 137 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 01-May-2003 02:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 117 (dammy):
>He mentioned this in IRC, and that statement was dragged to the web boards by >others. So why are you claiming Buck is misinforming and but not Garry Hare? >Intellectual dishonesty, for shame!
Mr Buck should have verified the source. Remember the mantra from Intel Corp. i.e."Only the paranoid survives". |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 138 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by GaMISou on 01-May-2003 03:01 GMT | | DEN GAMIESTE!!!!!!!! |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 139 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hammer on 01-May-2003 03:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (dammy):
@Dammy
>Then why didn't Bill denounce the card as a fake?
Who made statement in "morphos-news.de". Amiga Inc has nothing to do with BBRV's actions. Notice the "_Info from Genesi_ about Gary Hare...".
> Why hasn't Bill announced this new Amiga Inc employee, (SNIP)?
It's their right not to. Who are you to demand this information?
> Lots of questions, but unfortunetly, little answers coming out of Amiga Inc.
“Little” would be subjective POV on your part. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 140 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 01-May-2003 03:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 138 (GaMISou):
>Posted by GaMISou (211.28.96.69 :mcf2.wc.optusnet.com.au)
>DEN GAMIESTE!!!!!!!!
What do you mean by "DEN GAMIESTE"? |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 141 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 01-May-2003 03:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 139 (hammer):
> In Reply to Comment 51:
> @Dammy
>>Then why didn't Bill denounce the card as a fake?
> Who made statement in "morphos-news.de". Amiga Inc has nothing to do with
> BBRV's actions. Notice the "_Info from Genesi_ about Gary Hare...".
That doesn't answer why Amiga Inc hasn't put a statement out denouncing the card as a fake? I don't understand why you keep harping about Genesi when this has nothing to do with Genesi, other then Buck mentioning this in a IRC #channel. This Amiga Inc employee is presenting himself as CEO/Chairman. But you seem to blame a competitor instead of him. At the very least, Bill should have given a press release announcing Garry Hare and what he does to clear up any confusion that Mr. Hare has caused to date. But of course, that didn't happened. My question is still, why didn't Bill do so?
>> Why hasn't Bill announced this new Amiga Inc employee, (SNIP)?
> It's their right not to. Who are you to demand this information?
Who's demanding? I'm asking a question. There has to be a reason not to gloat over a new employee hire during some rather bleak economic times for Amiga Inc. What could that reason be? Wonder if Amiga Inc's #1 fanboy can get an interview with Mr. Hare?
>> Lots of questions, but unfortunetly, little answers coming out of Amiga Inc.
> “Little” would be subjective POV on your part.
Truism. I highly doubt you will find many, except the advopups, that would say they had enough information or too much information coming out of Amiga Inc these days. If the vast majority of people are not getting enough or too much, they are clearly getting not enough, or as I like to put it, "little" amount.
Dammy |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 142 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hammer on 01-May-2003 10:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 141 (dammy):
>That doesn't answer why Amiga Inc hasn't put a statement out denouncing the card as a >fake?
Why Raquel and Bill even mention Gary Hare when it has near zero relations to with MOS camp's product except for spin doctoring? Raquel and Bill should have stayed and promoted Pegy/MOS on it’s own merits (e.g. potential power savings, small foot print and 'etc') without being embroiled with the goings of Amiga Inc.
>I don't understand why you keep harping about Genesi when this has nothing to do with
>Genesi, other then Buck mentioning this in a IRC #channel.
Did you missed this e-mail.
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From: Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck <bbrv@noos.fr>
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:09:17 +0200
To: <ds@morphos-news.de>
Cc: <Phoenix@phinixi.com>
Subject: More info...
Info from Genesi about Gary Hare...
Yesterday, we mentioned on the MorphOS IRC Channel that we had spoken to the new Amiga Inc. CEO some time ago. Honestly, we thought this was "old" news. Gary Hare is based in California, but apparently has some good contacts in China and Europe and is working with the largest Amiga Inc. shareholder to turn the situation around. In March they were still trying to sort out the plan and secure funding so we decided to let the lawsuit against Amiga Inc. lay dormant until we could figure out if there was the potential for a new relationship with the "name." :-)
We did not withdraw the suit. Court dates have been set. We just decided to give them some time to get organized. We would like to work with them. Certainly, there are many mutually beneficial things we could do together.
We have offered across the board assistance! We are hoping to hear something soon.
On the Snoqualmie front the operation is 100% gone -- everything has been or will be sold to creditors. We tried to get in on this, but there were far too many people in line first (including multiple valid legal claims against the company). The good thing is these problems seem as though they might be settled and that the "classic" OS will stay under the control of the new organization.
These are just facts everyone. We would all like to see Amiga Inc. survive even if it might be for different reasons...;-)
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
Genesi
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Pay attention to the headers and sig. LOOK at "Info from Genesi" quote.
> This Amiga Inc employee is presenting himself as CEO/Chairman.
That's Amiga Inc's problem. We(that's includes MOS camp) shouldn't even involve with this particular episode.
> But you seem to blame a competitor instead of him.
> At the very least, Bill should have given a press release announcing Garry Hare and
> what he does to clear up any confusion that Mr. Hare has caused to date.
> But of course, that didn't happened. My question is still, why didn't Bill do so?
Firstly, I don’t think Amiga Inc is omni-present. Secondly, Amiga Inc web site’s has stated that the current top CEO/Chairman is Bill. Thirdly, confusion in the community wouldn’t happen IF Raquel and Bill verified their sources first and stays out of Amiga Inc’s goings.
>Who's demanding? I'm asking a question. There has to be a reason not to gloat over a new >employee hire during some rather bleak economic times for Amiga Inc.
Please produce Ainc’s balance sheet/profit and lost/cash flow statements (as of this finincal year) before you pass a judgement.
> What could that reason be? Wonder if Amiga Inc's #1 fanboy can get an interview with Mr. Hare?
Such statements (in regards to “fanboy”) is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
>Truism. I highly doubt you will find many, except the advopups, that would say they had >enough information or too much information coming out of Amiga Inc these days.
I don’t state anything in regards to what level of information should be disclosed.
>If the vast majority of people are not getting enough or too much, they are clearly >getting not enough, or as I like to put it, "little" amount.
Have you done an effective statistical count? |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 143 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ehaines on 01-May-2003 11:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 99 (Anonymous):
> Rumours circulate that XE boards and G4 processors will be "months away"
> ...Alan says they'll be there by Christmas...
> ...or early in January...
> ...but there's another delay (oh!) so...
> ...they're announced for March...
> ...and finally ship in quantity during late April
When you put it that way, it's actually kinda impressive...four months late
is the best record any Amiga-related hardware has had in a really long time. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 144 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 01-May-2003 11:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 123 (Anonymous):
The real retard here is you... You're not just retarded... You don't even have
the balls to use your name...
BTW, it's nice to be safe, right? Try saying it in front of my face, personally... |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 145 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 01-May-2003 11:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (Amon_Re):
>Alkis Tsapanidis, i've grown to distrust you, can't really explain why, except that you seem to be babling & screaming that you know Ainc "behind" the scenes, while other, more trustworthy (for me) people claim otherwise.
--
They can claim what they want, it's very easy to comfirm what I said by doing
some research. You may or may not trust me, I cannot enforce that, but at least
don't dismiss what I say as useless trollings without doing some research...
And no, asking Fleecy is *not* doing some research.
>Yes, Ainc is having a hard time financially, i'm pretty sure Genesi has to count every penny twice too, even if they make it seem asif they've got money to burn, this is bussinnes, Genesi stopped building the P1, Eyetech is still selling the A1, and yes, they do sell nicely.
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You can check this out if you want, they aren't even near to being in such an
economic situation... Genesi paid for far too many Pegasos boards themselves,
selling them half the price to Phoenix developers or giving them out for free to
other developers. It's not as if they don't have the money to make more.
> - If you are going to call me a troll, don't bother, i won't bite the bait
I won't call you a troll... People shouting "TROLL!" in an arguement like this
just can't think of anything else to reply.
> - If you are going to call me a thename fanatic, don't bother, i don't care
I won't.
> - If you are going to put me in a camp, don't bother, i can pick my own camps
I won't, you're entitled to having your opinion, without being categorised...
> - If you are going to slander me, don't bother, i won't bite the bait
I would certainly not do that.
> - If you offer me a pegasos, i'll cave your head in with it.
You're choice, nobody can do anything about it... |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 146 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 01-May-2003 11:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 126 (Amon_Re):
BTW, I'm sure you want the AmigaOne and OS4... I want OS4 too.
But even without Amiga Inc you could sleep safely about it, it's Hyperion's
work... It's a Hyperion product now.
I do not hate Hyperion nor AmigaOS or the Amiga itself.
I have problems with Amiga Inc... I would not call covering up EVERYTHING you
do to seem a healthy company, "communication skills". They are not. |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 147 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 01-May-2003 11:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 138 (GaMISou):
TO translate that... He said "why don't you fuck yourselves?" |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 148 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by z5 on 01-May-2003 12:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 111 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
@Thomas:
In a way, you are right. But i will turn this around. I am not on the DE list. So yes, i do not know what is happening. Agreed. However, as i am on the other side of the fence, as i customer, all i'm interested in is products. The fact that we have seen none (look at AmigaInc anywhere site to see what i mean), raises some legitimate questions, no? So please try to see it as from the other point of view, the customer. And i can tell you that from this side, i looks rather weak. I'll say even more: if there was product, those rumours wouldn't even be here...
So the obvious questions are: if support is so good, if everything is so great on the other side, where are the products? Where is the next dev kit? Where are the deals? |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 149 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 01-May-2003 12:36 GMT | Alkis Tsapanidis, i didn't say you were trolling, but that you seem to have a tendency to be extremely negative with it comes to Ainc.
And no, my sources aren't Fleecy Moss, i haven't exchanged emails with him in ages.
I think it would be best if we would just let'm be (Both Ainc & Genesi) there's just no reason of all this flaming & fighting, even tough to me it seems that that is what Bill Buck is after.
Maybe it's because of your negative tone in your postings that i've grown to distrust you, but i won't just call you a troll for that.
Cheers, |
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| Bill McEwen, CEO/President of Amiga, Inc. will attend AmiWest : Comment 150 of 167 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 01-May-2003 13:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 141 (dammy):
"That doesn't answer why Amiga Inc hasn't put a statement out denouncing the card as a fake? I don't understand why you keep harping about Genesi when this has nothing to do with Genesi, other then Buck mentioning this in a IRC #channel. This Amiga Inc employee is presenting himself as CEO/Chairman."
That is true only if the card is genuine.
If the card is not genuine, then Bill Buck becomes more relevant, as you have to ask him where the card came from exactly. |
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