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[News] Pegasos and MOS review on OSNewsANN.lu
Posted on 19-May-2003 08:23 GMT by MrZammler68 comments
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There is a review of Pegasos and MorhpOS on osnews: OSNews
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 51 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 19-May-2003 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Frans):
Frans wrote:
> How did you get ImageFX to run correctly?

Well, I just run it. Works better and much faster (with JIT) than on
my 060. What do you do, and what happens?

I think I had some problem with an uninstalled font that kept it from
running for awhile.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 52 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 19-May-2003 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Frans):
Wierd, it runs here. Actually most stuff I tried run fine, but yet again I know
what is dangerous and what not, before I install it.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 53 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 19-May-2003 20:44 GMT
That was an okay review. Eugenia liked the Pegasos but criticized the price. I would counter that you're not going to get super cheap prices on newly developed, innovative hardware, in part because you have to recoup the R&D expense first and sort out the kinks. At least she made clear how innovative and cool and silent Pegasos is.

She criticized MorphOS and said it wasn't ready. Fair enough. MorphOSians certainly are capable of accepting constructive criticism. However nobody has ever done what the MorphOS team did, which was to take all this software written for 68K platform and have it run near-native on PPC at incredible speeds. And IMO it'll be ready.

It was a big success for Genesi to get their product reviewed on OS News. They are getting excellent exposure. The pumps are getting well-primed for the launch of Pegasos II. I hope the Peg II and future MorphOS versions overcome the criticisms of Eugenia and others. If it is preassembled so Jane Average doesn't have to build it, and if it ready-to-go with a TCP stack and nice manual and so on, and if problematic 68K apps could be consistently closed down in A/Box before mucking up something, and if we rewrite the ground rules so people understand what to expect of the compatibility with third party applications originally written for classic Amiga, if all that stuff happens then we'll be in good shape.

As far as the other OSs being ported to Pegasos, I am not into those so much, but it broadens the appeal of the platform so it's all good AFAIC. If Pegasos flourishes then MorphOS will flourish and who knows what the future holds, with respect to handhelds and portability and so on. The future is wide open, and Microsoft ain't it, at least IMO. The future belongs to the people who are willing to take a chance on a new kind of vision.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 54 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 19-May-2003 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Daniel Miller):
Good stuff, Daniel! ...It's easy to become blase of what has actually been accomplished to date, or to find the chinks yet to be filled in the OS services and the feature set that is so far implemented.

And it is easy to overlook what it cost to get this far. But it is all coming together. Hopefully by the time PegasosII is shown, and then shipping we will have made remarkable bounds in documentation, functionality, packing, marketing, value (SuperBundle - SuperBundle!), manufacturing costs and volume - the whole 9 yards (approx. 10 metres), really!

Things could be better - and they WILL BE : }
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 55 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2003 22:19 GMT
@catohagen

> i'm surprised morphos isnt in a better state [...] the system is targeted at developers and advanced users, so its obvious that there are problems.

I am developer and have received a Pegasos recently. I'm also involved in creating tools for developers. If I may offer a comment: in two weeks of using the Pegasos for development, I haven't found problems with my software ("my" as in "written by me"). There were minor optical issues, and those were expected, such as MUI gadgets in window borders, a different RTG system, etc. But aside from such issues, it was an easy ride: no code had to be changed, and no crash was experienced. This was a 3.5 MB source code. My conclusion would be that the m68k emulatation and the core are pretty stable. I won't say rock-solid because I see some other applications having problems, but without insight, I couldn't say if it is poor code or dependency on Amiga chipsets or whatever.

Now a critical part, for good measure: installation and configuration of MorphOS is painful, parts of the system are unintuitive (the preferences) or not yet completed (rexx, datatypes, installer), and documentation is at a minimal level. With average Amiga experience, that's manageable but frustrating. That leaves you with one serious problem, the alpha state, at best, of Ambient, the fassade of MorphOS: Ambient needs massive work. That's unfortunate because Amibient is the first thing new users (and reviewers) meet after installation. Fortunately, as a developer, Ambient is secondary to you. If you can look beyond Ambient, you will find MorphOS to be an interesting development platform, the first new Amiga in ages.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 56 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 19-May-2003 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (corpse):
Yes, MorphOS for PUP boards is still going to be released, at least
according to bbrv's latest statement on it.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 57 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 19-May-2003 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Emeric SH):
AHEM... Emeric SH...

You wrote:

> Then Elena would comment your system just as well immature. :-)


LOL...

:-D :-D :-D

You made a little confusion between:

ELENA = Elena Novaretti = the programmer of fabulous fractal program ZoneXplorer...

and

EUGENIA = Eugenia Loli-Queru = maintenant of osnews.com = who is a respected professional in OS reviewing

(this message is for you and alii who made same error)

Ciao,

Raffaele
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 58 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 20-May-2003 01:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (takemehomegrandma):
To Takemehomegrandma, Catohagen and alii who have the same question:

That is:

>But that is the interesting question:
>What is "more"?
>Exactly *what* are you expecting from an OS in 2003 (except from being ready).
>If you are looking for a modern desktop OS, then WinXP is the competition.
>If you are looking for a modern server OS, then Linux is the competition.



Well, basically a modern OS must have these characteristics:


1) Must be written in C or into any other language capable to handle a quick porting to other machines.


2) 32bit based computing and ready to handle 32/64 base computing
(to be ready for the new millennium CPUs).


3) A kernel and API in order to be ported quickly to new CPUs.

AND

-> 3a) Points 1,2 and 3 must be reached with minimal usage of code, amount of HD space when installed and system requirements (Amiga handles it all)


4) MMU capabilites, with the ease to turn it all without problems, capability to restart MMU handling next boot, RAM Disk capabilites, with dinamical and recoverable RAM Disk...

AND

-> 4a) Ease in creating sandboxes in which to let run programs suspected to be malicious and to ease the use of emulation programs


5) Preemptive multitasking
(WITHOUT a table of sequence of tasks BUT WITH a dinamical task-table like Amiga).


6) Object Oriented structure, common interface in windows, icons, menus
This is needed in oreder to provide:

-> 6a) ease for programming

and

-> 6b) Minimal time of learning for the new user and "zero" time to adapt himself to new programs

(Windows is a winning OS, more about the fact it provided a common structure of interface for all programs based on x86, which before the advent of Windows itself, they had an ***enormous*** number of different interfaces)


7) A decent OLE system to handle data exchange between different programs...
(Windows rules because of this facility)


8) Capability to handle multiple Filesystems for its peripherals, and between different partitions...
(floppies-FS, HD-FS, CD/DVD/RW-FS).

and

-> 8a) It needs also the capability to hide/Unhide peripherals and leave them to boot when requested, as in the Amiga-boot screen.

-> it needs also utilities for Filesystems describend in point 12a)


9) Good handling in peripherals with a lot of drivers...
(at least the capability to handle as many peripherals with lesser drivers)


10) (directly connected to point 9) Decent printing capability.
(Amiga lacks it)


11) A good handling of True Type Fonts (or any vector fonts) with unicode table built in...


12) A good number of basic all-purpose programs to let the user to begin to work.
(a minimal WP like Wordpad under Windows, calculator, FAX,)

and

-> 12a) (directly connected to point 8) Basical utilities to check, clean and validate volumes, partitions and FS
(and also for formatting it and ...


13) A good internet stack and a decent browser, being ready to go into internet, and some programs like Telnet, FTP, IRC and E-mail.

But not as in Windows.

Into Windows is IExplorer that handles both internet surfing and file handling...
This may increase the ease to use...
...but is dangerous, because with the same program you can be exploited both into windows and your machine at same time...

And I think that this is only due to the manuevering of M$ in attempt to fraud the Antitust...
...claiming that IE is integrated so deeply into the OS that you can't remove it...

(So, we realized that is important into a 2003 OS that File Handling and Internet Surfing must stay divided)

AND

-> 13a) Internet services must be loaded and uninstalled into the system by a simple click...
In order to allow the system to use other stacks, alternative to TCP-IP if some new and powerful stack will take place (internet2 or distribuited computing internet)...
...and to allow immediately use of a TCP-IP stacks with new facilities (IVP6).


14) Ease to install and unistall programs, with a decent installer program.

AND

Facilities to let any program not to affect the OS with trash-leave-behind

AND WITHOUT

-> 14a) Any use of a REGISTER FILE...


15) An internal all-purpose language capable to parse data like AREXX.


16) A Decent built in Software Development Kit, to let advanced users to develop new programs.


17) Good manuals and video-cd based manual to teach firsts, and avanced steps in learning to use the new machine.


18) A decent Backup program, a restore disk set, a restore CD.

AND

-> 18a) A guide to realize a fully backup restore CD after first installation
(Easier to implement into Amiga by simply burning a CD with xcopy of HD contents)


For any other feature I missed, please post an answer.
Here it is 5:18 AM and I worked intensely in parallel with this document.
I need STRONGLY to sleep...

Ciao,

Raffaele
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 59 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 20-May-2003 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
Oh.. One anonymous on ann.lu I agree with.. :)
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 60 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Raffaele):
>(to be ready for the new millennium CPUs). And I thought we left the "new millennium" BS behind. :-P
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 61 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Andy on 20-May-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
Thanks for pretty unbiased comment! But I've just remember AInc's ads about AmigaDE SDK 1.0 "...this is just as many compilers you seen before... ...it offers you an oportunity to play with porting/programming..." Isn't it rubbish to buy something for more than $50 just to play with? Why do they developing OS that never be even close to most modern OSes of today cause A-BOX is scrap that breakes futher MOS improvent.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 62 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-May-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Andy):
// Cause A-BOX is scrap that breaks further MOS improvent.

I don’t know where you get this from it all depends on the amount of emulation put inn to the A/Box, the more amount of emulation they put inn there, the better legacy support, I like to se support for add-on emulation for custom chips if you like to enable it, wonder how complicated it will be when the 68k is emulated in JIT an runs real time, it defiantly will be some syncing problems, the best way will some short of interrupt so the JIT waits for otter emulation sync with the JIT program. The problem with the 68k program is that they expect all memory to be shared memory, while Q/box task can have different memory mapping configuration depending on the extended functions added in Quark kernel, in a 68k averment program are allowed to overwrite any memory space this is way it is so critical when a program crashes. typical for lockups are when a program run in to a loop and expect a value to be changed and it never happens like trying to read form custom chips to get hardware state, programs that do hardware hacking commonly turns off multitasking for short period of time before the chipset access happens. Implementing some short of brake if not responding task like Windows can be an idea form task lockups.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 63 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-May-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Andy):
> Thanks for pretty unbiased comment! But [...] isn't it rubbish to buy something for more than $50 just to play with? Why do they developing OS that never be even close to most modern OSes of today cause A-BOX is scrap that breakes futher MOS improvent.

Spending money for a toy can't be a novel concept for you, Amiga users are strict followers of this approach, otherwise we would buy a Windows PC and get productive ;) Now, a Pegasos mainboard + CPU did cost 299$ for developers. Not exactly a bargain but I think it's justifyable. There is some fun in having a geeky no-noise micro-atx system with PPC, USB, Audio, Ethernet etc. in your network, if you have some understanding of it and can program it. Also, I believe that 600 Pegasos owners have more buying power than 6000 regular Amiga owners, who are very reluctant to invest one penny into software for their old systems. For developers with software to sell, a Pegasos could pay for itself. As to the big question of why re-implement an AmigaOS now that will be replaced later: I don't know, I don't care, it's not my money.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 64 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by -D- on 21-May-2003 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (greenboy):
>but we have not yet found ways to develop via tachyon CVS ; }

Indeed...: )
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 65 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by -D- on 21-May-2003 06:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (greenboy):
>but we have not yet found ways to develop via tachyon CVS ; }

Indeed...: )
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 66 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 21-May-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Raffaele):
Ohoo... Now I found what I missed in the list...

POINT 19 GOOD MULTIMEDIA HANDLING, with graphic 3D, multiscreen and digital/analog video... and sound with stereo surround and Dolby 5.1 or above with high digital/analog connections

and

POINT 20 multimedia must no affect work of the CPU (becoming a weight to be carried for the CPU) as in ancient Amigas with Chipset
;-)))))))))))))))))))))))
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 67 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Blah on 21-May-2003 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (bbrv):
>The "M" in MorphOS is for Mobility.
>
>R&B

I wonder how often you will have to repeat this crap, in order of pressing it into our heads. Its Morphos because of a butterfly, and a change/morph, but
for sure theres nothing of "mobility" in the name.
Pegasos and MOS review on OSNews : Comment 68 of 68ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 23-May-2003 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Raffaele):
Too bad that win xp doesn't meet all of those specifications!!! I'm not kidding. (neither does palladium).

AOS4.0 will do close to that much, if we get the OCS/ECS/AGA emulation SW up and running, that is.

AmigaOne! Be all, end all!!!
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