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Posted on 04-Jun-2003 08:47 GMT by Ben70 comments
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As reported at amiga.org:
http://www.murphyauctions.net/amiga.html
Seems to be a list of useful but dated PCs, printers and furniture with a few PDAs thrown in. I guess they will be most upset by the loss of the foosball table.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 51 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 04-Jun-2003 21:43 GMT
A few obvious thoughts, not that I'm claiming they're of importance:

-While a surplus of workstations sounds like a sign of excess, there's always the slim chance someone did the sensible thing, and bought up a palletized load of surplus machines. (Not saying I think anyone did, and those were pretty high-spec for the day... but *other* companies have lost their offices in the past.)

-On the other hand, those accomodations were equipped with a Decent Chunk of bandwidth for what we assume became a shrinking development group and a (more-affordably, one would hope) coloed web presence. Whether the drives are being wiped or not, one would assume there was plenty of opportunity to mirror development trees off-site, which should be any company's standard practice.

Meanwhile, with hardware devaluation as it is, the PocketPCs and hardware really aren't worth That Much (though one wonders if an organized liquidation via eBay could've paid off a settlement with some surplus or less embarassment), and the Mediaterminal and other rarities are presumably worth $0 - no sense developing for cancelled hardware/cancelled deals.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 52 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 04-Jun-2003 23:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Harv):
@Harv

> I've got the flyer for the auction and while I'm in no way inclined to type the whole list of auctioned inventory in

You could scan it perhaps? :-)
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 53 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by --- on 05-Jun-2003 06:28 GMT
The "Amiga" trademark, registered in USA, has been abandoned on third january 2003. BB is said to have applied for the trademark, I guess just to make sure not regretting it later. Fee is some 350 bucks rumoured.
Come on, this is ruin. Someone get a video cam, visit the auction and Even's
garage and record a sort of "Deathbed vigil II-the comedy" video. Hurry! :)
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 54 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 05-Jun-2003 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Tigger):
"having 30+ PCs when you dont have 30+ employees is pretty silly."

Not if you got a good price for the bulk order and you are expecting to expand rapidly. Amiga Inc wanted to hit the ground running, and everything looked good for the first few weeks.

Optimism again.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 55 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by Muffin on 05-Jun-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Well it's true that they haven't fulfiled their promises but there is no evidence that they never will, the situation that they are in now was not expected at the time beeing(is it their fault that things is not working their way??).
The way you and other ppl and companies stir up the situation is not helping, this is a time when we are suppose to pull the community together and help in any way we can..that is if you and other wish for a brighter future with Amiga in it.
the way you exaggerate and the way other twist facts to suit their objective is simply put, pissing me of!

can't understand why you wish a company like Amiga.inc with no bad intentions to fail...that's why i wrote the way i did in reply to you (comment 21) if you didn't get it ;)
this world is filled wiht super bad companies and Amiga.inc is not one of em...

Oh and about the "Cultists"...maybe they are willing to sacrifice to make their dream come through or accept the circumstances...thought about that? and thats why we don't see coupon owners scream on forums about cupon scam! cupon scam! cupon scam! only you make noise...again :/
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 56 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 05-Jun-2003 13:15 GMT
"There is a great deal of activity going on at Amiga, and I am looking forward to sharing it all with you. We have kept ourselves focused and stayed the course toward success. I look forward to seeing all of you again in Sacramento."

CEO BillMcewen.

ROTFL! With everything going on (T-Shirt hassle still unsolved, Locked out of offices and with property being auctioned off etc.) McEwen still calm as ice announces how everything is/has been rocking steady at amiga.inc and that fulfillment of our dreams is nearer than ever.

Fulfillment of which dream? About amiga finally going bust so that someone with better talent and better moral backbone may give amiga a try, or the dream of seeing McEwen at amiwest smiling his weazel smile and hyping how amiga is going to rock the IT industry in 2 weeks (Seriously this time) after the show!
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 57 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 05-Jun-2003 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Muffin):
>>maybe they are willing to sacrifice to make their dream come through or accept the circumstances...thought about that?

Which is exactly why you wont see any REAL progress at amiga because you sheep do everything not to break the bubble you're living in. Dude take a look around you. Since 1994- Where's the progress? Don't preach me about amiga1 or os4, cuz that hasn't been accomplished by amiga.inc.

By accepting everything you will also accept BAD TREATMENT, and that's what amiga.inc has been giving to this community. Without ppl sending them cash and saying "I don't mind as long it's for cause" Amiga.inc would have to start taking the userbase more seriously or the result would be no customers for them.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 58 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 05-Jun-2003 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (gz):
Bad treatment? What did they do to you, knock down your door and abuse your dog? My advice is that you take a deep breath and think rationally, what is bad treatment? Failing to deliver within expected timeframes is unfortunate, I agree. But is it really bad treatment? Do you think they don't deliver simply because they want to make your life miserable? Or, can it actually be that they *want* to deliver, that they *want* to sell you products and make money, and that their reasons for not doing so is due to things out of their reach?

I've heard your kind of reasoning so many times before that you wouldn't know, I work for the biggest telecom business in Europe and some people even blame us if a tree falls on their car somewhere in the northern parts of Sweden and things like that. Yes, they actually claim that it's our fault and if we don't fix it for them right now and for free, it's "bad treatment". Please don't tell me you are one of those people...
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 59 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 05-Jun-2003 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (gz):
I really don't see anything wrong with donating for a cause you believe in. It's nothing more odd than Christian Kemp's "PayPal" button on this website. With you reasoning, Christian Kemp would make a better site if all of those who donates to him would stop doing so? I'm sorry but it doesn't make any sense what so ever.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 60 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 05-Jun-2003 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (samface):
Well, when you donate via paypal to this site, your money isn't going into the pockets of venture capitalists and investors.

Nothing wrong with supporting Amiga though, but to be honest, Hyperion and Eyetech are deserving of the support if the Amiga "Platform" is to survive. I don't think Amiga Inc have a chance no matter how much money those interested in the "Platform" give them, their only hope is making a killing with AmigaDE, and that will only happen with money above and beyond what those of us buying AmigaOS4 and the AmigaOne are spending.

By "Platform" I mean AmigaOS and AmigaOne, and not AmigaDE.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 61 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 05-Jun-2003 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Muffin):
> Muffin :
>Well it's true that they haven't fulfiled their promises

Or obligations and responsibilities. Like paying Bolton Peck when he should have been payed - or paying Bolton Peck after his lawsuit was found in his favor. If a company cannot conduct themselves with honor in these kinds of cases they do not deserve support. And if people in the community don't think it matters because it is some other guy that got shafted, they ought to think how they would feel if it was their life and family that was thrown under the bus for financial expediency.


>but there is no evidence that they never will, the situation that they are in now was not expected at the time beeing(is it their fault that things is not working their way??).

In the world of business one has risk, but also one is supposed to plan for contingencies. And many would argue that Amiga Inc has conducted themselves right into the various messes they are in. And it IS their fault that they have prevaricated, lied, evaded, and expected others to bear the burden and as a tactic of misleading the community so that they could get further mileage on the efforts of others instead of paying their own way.


>The way you and other ppl and companies stir up the situation is not helping, this is a time when we are suppose to pull the community together and help in any way we can..that is if you and other wish for a brighter future with Amiga in it.

I know you were talking to someone else when you said this, but my thoughts are this. Amiga Inc is not a worthy leader. I don't care if they have some big red and white thingie to wave around - I am not obligated to follow them. Others feel they same way. And I do not think that Amiga Inc for ages has any vision of what I would consider a brighter future, and the vision I DO have of a brighter future does not require that they be there. I really don't want to see them doing more On Sched And Rocking, more Bolton backstabbing, more invisible T-shirt coupon offers, or a number of other things that I have seen since practically Day One.


>can't understand why you wish a company like Amiga.inc with no bad intentions to fail...that's why i wrote the way i did in reply to you (comment 21) if you didn't get it ;) this world is filled wiht super bad companies and Amiga.inc is not one of em...

Wooh! Got to disagree entirely. Even if I hadn't seen essential weasely dishonesty repeatedly, I would say they are a bad company because they have done too many 180's. First they screwed the pooch with their first-choice partner QNX bigtime, then they rushed in to Tao claiming among other things memory protection and servers (not Tao's fault of course) and a bunch of things that Tao was not suitable or designed for. Either they did NOT do their research or they were playiong the community for suckers there...

Then they wrotes the biggest legalistic nightmare of a first licensing agreement ever to grace a developer's desk - incidentally, one that embarrassed me to even admit that they were in Phoenix and that I had as spokesperson been supporting their efforts in public statements up to that point - and in spite of the fact that they never reciprocated one iota in supporting Phoenix in kind.

Hell, the public list of bungles and bad backflips alone is enough to call their company bad, without dragging up ones that people in Phoenix and elsewhere experienced, moves that were not as public.

But I expect that very little I say will make an impression, because they have paraded a huge list of inconsistencies and BS and later-exposed half-truths, and have shown how much they care about honoring their employment obligations (like paying someone for the time they were employed) and yet they still have cluebies who think they are "good guys".

Maybe they were at one time. But they seem to have lost a lot of that along the way. And they certainly as business people shouldn't be depended on. Thank Jehovah³ they have not been administering anything but the DE stuff!
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 62 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-Jun-2003 00:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (samface):
>>Bad treatment? What did they do to you? What is bad treatment?

For arguments sake I'll try to eaxplain to you what is my perception of BAD treatment.

The first PROMISE AI made to the public 3 years ago was that they would not announce anything unless it had come to fruitition and rocking on schedule. (Ie. No hyping of vaporware and no BS.) Yet they only remembered to honor that guideline to the point of releasing the sdk after which they have constantly broken their promise.

I understand it's up to a company or individual to make promises and or not keep them, but it does tell something about your integrity if you constantly do break your promises. If you simply can't keep them, don't promise anything. That's a fairly easy solution.

The fact that AI kept promising to community about how os4 would ship within weeks and selling partypack coupons for the product, while knowing the deadlines they kept giving were ludicrous considering the work that had barely been started for os4, constitutes for lying your ass off in my book.

Not being able to keep a promise because something unexpected happens is another thing than KNOWING exactly where you stand but still claiming people otherwise and worse yet, selling coupons which you know cannot be used in the given time or even in the foreseeable future.

What made matters worse was the leaked rumors that told about the "real" state of os4 project, and when confronted by customers that were eager to consider buying a coupon if the rumors were to be false, AI happily claimed them to be untrue and urged people to invest on a partypack because os4 was going to launch "REAL SOONtm"

Another word AI swallowed was with the sdk when they solemnly oathed that when you would buy the sdk you wouldn't have to sign an nda to get updates and that an update to sdk would be released for those who haven't done so. This has lured people who are not interested in a serious software development to buy the sdk believing they would be able to continue the hobby forward with the promised upcoming updates.

Then there's the resent coupon thing with the t-shirts (scarily reminiscent to partypack) Which in the light of the now ongoing auction perhaps seems slightly more clear, what the real reasons for the delays might be or might not be. The point is that here too AI wen't off to telling stuff as we are going strong and on schedule and that our phones are down because of hackers etc. When it now more likely seems they were locked out of their own offices for unpaid rent.

However I won't go too much into that subject as there's no way knowing what motives and reasons truely are behind that story. But in the light of the past it does give a hint to you in a same way as breaking promises constantly.

This post is getting really long and I've only just scrached the surface of what I find as bad treatment to this community, but I'm going to end my nagging with this final observation; AI have also numerously treated us badly imho, during situations where there have been serious allegations and rumors clearly damaging the community because there has been absolutely zero input from AI's behalf. No info, no support, no nothing. Just silence.

When asked upon answers/confirmations from the top about delicate subjects/accusations via email, the company has chosen to be rock silent leaving you without support surrounded by wild imagination and silence.

That's my perception of the opposite of good treatment.

Anyway as I know your trackrecord on ann and you know mine, I won't go further with you in this subject because I know it will lead us nowhere and you will just try everything in your power to make me see things in your way. However as I'm a totally different person, with different thinking we cannot (unfortunately) share our views. This does not mean I find everything you say to be untrue, unrealistic or whatever. You do raise points in your postings but as far as I can rationalize them, I cannot agree with them enough on the matter of AI.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 63 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 06-Jun-2003 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (T_Bone):
Are you seriously suggesting that AmigaOS4 and the AmigaOne will make a more profitable business than Amiga Inc.'s work on the AmigaDE? No, I find their reasons for outsourcing the classic Amiga development to third parties a very wise decission unless you have a *really* big capital supporting your cause. After all, they ARE a business rather than an ideology.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 64 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 06-Jun-2003 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (gz):
1. They never gave you any promises. They told us timeframes for when they expected these products to be completed. The difference is significant and of outmost importance. It's not like they don't want to sell you products, you know.

2. As a commercial business they simply cannot just put up a simple PayPal button on their site, they had to find a different solution for those who wanted to donate for their cause. Yes, this was requested and it's not a surprise that 1,000 Amiga users didn't hesitate to send them the money. It was made perfectly clear that these users were NOT going to get their money back but instead they would be made members of their fan club. The coupons was just a time-limited offer at the launch of this club and the only valid reason for ever getting a refund is if you for some reason don't want to be a part of this club. Those who signed up for the club during this specific period of time will be recieving their rebate at the purchase of an AmigaOne with AmigaOS4 or just AmigaOS4 for CyberstormPPC equipped Amigas. The reason for why current AmigaOne owners hasn't recieved any rebates is because these products is a prerelease on behalf of Eyetech, the final version which will be bundled with AmigaOS4 hasn't been released yet.

3. How do you know that they did know that the product wasn't going to be released? You know, since they have never said that they were going to do it "in house", all they ever told you is information they have been provided with from third parties. There has been quite a few problems with this as Hyperion is (AFAIK) the third company that they've turned to and the only ones that seems to actually deliver what they promise. Both bPlan and H&P was involved in the negotiations about delivering the official next generation AmigaOS and I find it to be quite a plausible scenario that Amiga Inc. simply got a bit too excited over this and told us what these guys promised prematurely. I'm not claiming that this is the facts, just another perspective on things prooving that their is nothing certain about anything.

4. I really don't know about that NDA issue, ever tried contacting them about it? I seriously don't share your impression of them not beeing supportive towards their customers. But I guess that is my subjective point of view.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 65 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-Jun-2003 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (samface):
>>As a commercial business they simply cannot just put up a simple PayPal button on their site, they had to find a different solution for those who wanted to donate for their cause. Yes, this was requested and it's not a surprise that 1,000 Amiga users didn't hesitate to send them the money.

What's wrong with paypal if you wan't support? At least then your'e being honest asking for money, instead of selling you a membership, shirt and rebate, but only delivering a membership in a club of invisibility. Heck what is this club membership anyway!? Where are the special offers and inside information you were supposed to gain from the membership? It seems to me that the membership you paid for is just a buzzword from AI and occasional email advertisements of their !?products!?.

Anyway I was mainly referring to the partypack coupon hassle which cost me 100$ and the only thing I have received to this day is a partypack voucher, which im pretty sure isn't even rebatable as it seems the whole industry has forgotten all about the partypack's and are focusing on the latest coupon hassle.

Surprisingly even all info on the partypack along with the details of the deal have disappeared from the site of AI, like it never had happened. All other exec updates and info are there except for the partypack. Coinsidence? Maybe but not plausable when everything else is in place.

>>How do you know that they did know that the product wasn't going to be released?

It's pretty hard not to know when you're the one developing the product.

>>You know, since they have never said that they were going to do it "in house"

WRONG! os4 WAS at that time an in house development which is also confirmed by mcewen in his exec update.
--snippet--
"It is an Amiga Inc. port of the OS. You may infer nothing else from this."
--snippet--

After when os4 failed to materialize as the rumors claimed would happen, did AI announce that they would outsource the project to Hyperion. Untill to that day it had only been publically said that H&P and Hyperion were to create content to os4, NOT the os itself as that project was AI's beef.

>>I really don't know about that NDA issue, ever tried contacting them about it?

Many times but never received a reply.

>>I seriously don't share your impression of them not beeing supportive towards their customers.

Maybe that's coz you've asked them all the "right" questions like "Is there any other way which I can support your company? I've already bought 100 coupons."

Try asking them questions like "Is the partypack still valid and how is the rebate on that arranged with 3rd party resellers?" or "Can I get my money back for the voucher because I'm fed up with it for not being able to use it?" or "Where are the promised t-shirts, when can I expect to have them, what are the resons for this delay?" "Are you working from a garage or is the offices auction just evil rumor spread by MOS fanatics?"
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 66 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 06-Jun-2003 13:33 GMT
It appears amiga is down and all but out. I really hate to see it end like this. Nothing left but fun memories of a time when computers were exciting.

coldfire
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 67 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by tronman on 06-Jun-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (gz):
OS 4 was NEVER an in-house development at Amiga, Incorporated. Not ONE LINE of code was ever written for it at the Snoqualmie offices. The Zico spec was invented there, but that is all. I don't care what the relevant Executive fluff piece said. I was there in the offices, and no OS 4 code was EVER developed there. Plain and simple. It was all about the DEad..

On one level I'm very sorry it came to this because I hoped they'd make it. On the other hand, this does not bode well for getting the money they owe me :-((
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 68 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 06-Jun-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Bernd Meyer):
I bought a Powermac7300 from a US online store, apparently from United Airlines, with lots of text, emails and stuff on it. Emails about this and this employee being on sick leave and what kind of sickness, finacial data etc. A very intersting read.
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 69 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 06-Jun-2003 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Bernd Meyer):
Well I deleted it all though, wasn`t much worth it except for entertainment value =)
Amiga Inc auction items : Comment 70 of 70ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 06-Jun-2003 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (tronman):
>>OS 4 was NEVER an in-house development at Amiga, Incorporated. Not ONE LINE of code was ever written for it at the Snoqualmie offices.

My bad for using wrong phrasing as I meant that at that time Hyperion or H&P weren't doing the os4 porting to ppc. Hyperion was creating games and warp3d and H&P was bringing out stormC4 and talking about porting their existing content to os4. Also they were working on their own scripting language but that didn't come to fullfillment either.

McEwen does not claim it to be an in-house dev. In the exec update but says that AI is the one creating it (controlling the project and hiring ppl to do the code.)

Alltough I have no idea if even a single line of code was actually produced for os4 in reality (I do think that some groundwork at least was done) but I'm sure you can remember how AI claimed to be rockin' on schedule when os4 was due out in only just 2 weeks (nov. 1 announcement)
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