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[Web] Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in BaselANN.lu
Posted on 22-Jun-2003 22:15 GMT by Mike Bouma72 comments
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For the 21st of June there was an ' AmigaOS4 on Tour' event planned for Basel. I travelled from Holland to Switzerland to write a report for AmigaWorld.net regarding this event.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 51 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Jun-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Seems we were not the only ones with overoptimistic developers."

So now you blame the developers :(
The project manager IS the one to blame on project delays. You have a weird way of taking responsability of the project. I thought that the delays were due to contract work Hyperion did for other companies. Such contracted work is decided by the company manager and not by "overoptimistic developers".
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 52 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 23-Jun-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Georg Steger):
typedef struct long_pc
{
unsigned short *lshort:
unisgned short *hshort;
}

void write_pixel(int x,int y,unisgned int rgb)
{
unsigned short r,g,b;
unsigned short pc_formated;
long_pc *rr;
long_pc *gg;

// RRRRRRRR GGGGGGGG BBBBBBBB // 24BIT

r = (rgb & 0xF80000) >> 1;
rr = (void *) &r;

g = (short) ((rgb & 0x00F800) >> 11);
g =>> 3;

b = (short) (rgb & 0x0000F8) >> 2;
bb = (void *) &b;

pc_formated = rr -> lshort & bb-> hshort & g;
}
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 53 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 23-Jun-2003 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Don Cox):
There is a graphical GUI designer for Reaction I think. StormWizard IIRC, it was on the DevCD 2.1.
There is also a (separaate) one for MUI on Aminet.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 54 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 23-Jun-2003 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Are you trying to say that the IDE interface on an AOne will still be a limiting factor, or will the code be changed before OS4 reaches the AOne? Or will there be a completely new driver for it?
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 55 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jun-2003 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Christophe Decanini):
Which is exactly what some people have been arguing here.

I'm sorry but I don't consider beta-versions to be commercial grade software.

This applies equally to OS 4.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 56 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jun-2003 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (tinman):
All devices need to be re-implemented for the AmigaOne.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 57 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 23-Jun-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
BT1 like me had trance since september 2002 and it was at this time
really well running... So do not tell something when you don't know
what you're talking about... More over every one knows that vesalia
gave trance by error with the first pegasos they sold
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 58 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 23-Jun-2003 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ok, but beta version of what...???
Of the JIT emulator ?? or the integration of the it???

It's not because one could still be beta that the other is still,
too....
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 59 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jun-2003 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Don Cox):
EANs and UPCs can be created using a suitable vendor encoded font. Just because there isn't a 1:1 mapping between the product number and what you have to type on the keyboard to produce the barcode doesn't make it impossible, or even difficult.

You typically wind up typing something like 'W(c03489*NONSMm(W' and then a barcode with human readable annotation and proper spacing appears. The translation which is built in on decent DTP software just calculates those characters from an EAN or UPC number. If you're using some archaic Amiga software you can do the calculation yourself.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 60 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jun-2003 20:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Liar.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 61 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 24-Jun-2003 04:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Christophe Decanini):
@ Cristophe, Fabio, David

There must be reasons why users were not given the JIT version even though it was sold to them. Right?


(and yes, I know Trance is years ahead of petunia in maturity)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 62 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2003 05:21 GMT
IMHO is the time drop Petunia (it takes ages to make it really work [if ever]) and hire Bernie for any cost! Why? His products works (NOW not two years after deadline *you can see i am an optimist*) and are really fast!!!
I was (am???) on the OS4 side but the truth is that bbvr know much better what to do, who is the right person to get the ppc board for free and where to spend the money...
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 63 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Jun-2003 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
Are we going to have to satisfy ourselves with a one word troll opinion OR do we get to hear what you think is the lie?
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 64 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Jun-2003 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (priest):
> There must be reasons why users were not given the JIT version even though it was
> sold to them. Right?

Sure, but Ben talked about the *integration* of Trance in MOS, not the *distribution* of Trance to the users. That is what I replied to.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 65 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 24-Jun-2003 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
> NOW is the time to drop petunia

... and you are in a better position to make this kind of decision that the people actually working on the operating system, because... ?
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 66 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 24-Jun-2003 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Fabio Alemagna):
Its not integrated in the enduser version. Better?
No difference to a non-betatester though.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 67 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 24-Jun-2003 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ketzer):
While "integrating" it in this case means nothing else than "getting a copy of the file 'trance' and starting it at any time one wishes, be it in the startup-sequence or manually later". Again, we BT1 use it since last fall - and this is permanently, not just from time to time to test it with specific applications.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 68 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Jun-2003 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ketzer):
"Its not integrated in the enduser version. Better?"

So, your definition of "integrated" is the same as "distributed"?
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 69 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Belfie on 24-Jun-2003 11:51 GMT
Very good report! Thanks!
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 70 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Jun-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Ben):
Win2K? That's old hat now. Have you used WinXP on the desktop or Win2003 for the Server? I've never gotten any Blue Screens on WinXP and I've been running it since a month after it's release. As for Win2003 it runs great. Though I do run a small team of Admin's with close to 400 Win2K servers and we lose about 1 a year.
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 71 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Jun-2003 13:08 GMT
More reports like this one please!! :-)
Report of the Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel : Comment 72 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Solar on 26-Jun-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Senex):
> Again, we BT1 use it since last fall...

...and again, it is not integrated into the product. What BT1 users are using is the *beta* of the *next* product.

It's about the same as claiming that SNAP *has* been integrated yet since they are near completion and testing it right now.

Open Source / Open Beta types frequently get fuzzy over this, so probably you're not even to blame...
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