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Posted on 09-Aug-2003 08:34 GMT by Martin "Senex" Heine129 comments
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After finishing the internal betatest, Genesi today released MorphOS 1.4 in the version of Aug. 9th to all registered Pegasos-users. It's downloadable as usual from the BT2-FTP-server. The new features of MorphOS 1.4 include:

- installer
- JIT compiler "Trance"
- Turboprint integrated
- USB integrated
- Radeon DVI & overlay (except for 8500)
- 3d for Voodoo3 & 4
- Warp3D emulation
- support for graphic tablets
- S/PDIF output
- sound datatypes
- Kaya (mp3/ogg sound player)
- calculator
- taskmanager
- ambient panels/lasso/shortcuts
- dock manager
- new fonts & skins
- more mprefs
- on the fly skin change
- boot without connected ps2 mouse
- keyboard reboot
- zoom
- gradients
- and more...
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 51 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Aug-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Kelly Samel):
"I would have to say that the speed, configurability
and stability has passed my Amithlon and A4000T/060 system in every
respect with this release. A big Thanks to the MorphOS team! :)"

What processor is your Amithlon using?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 52 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 10-Aug-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Johan Rönnblom):
That feature you are talking about can be found in AOS1.2, by using AmigaDOS commands status and break and it only works on running programs not crashed ones,
on OS4.0 they have fixed that, close window requester will automatically appearer if the program is doing any thing illegal, so you whit even to need to try close the window, the only event where program will not closed by the debugger is if the program has internal programing error that makes the program lockup inn some loop.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 53 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 10-Aug-2003 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kjetil):
No, it's not the same as break command. It's not a ctrl-c signal sent
to the task.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 54 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 10-Aug-2003 15:11 GMT
It be interesting to Se some speed test,
Amitalon JIT vs MorphOS JIT, then again finding the right CPU to compare with should you try finding the most equal preformed processor or the best preformed processor to compare, guess the both result will be cool anyway, then you have all bios seatings that can give or take preforms from the emulation, given that there are more native library's and OS resources on MorphOS, compared with AOS3.9 on Amitalon, bout system used tow sets of kernels, how fast Quark vs Linux kenrel is, how the core of emulation is, Amitalon more of Amigacomputer emulator is it not, while MorphOS is a API emulation / environment emulation / No hardware emulation thing.

I think the Amitalon should have 4:1 in performance louse
while MorphOS JIT should have 1.5:1 in performance louse
compeered to native, it should be cool to Se if I'm right.
while you are at it while not test MorphOS JIT vs MacOSX JIT.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 55 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 10-Aug-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Nicolas Sallin):
Is it a hide window feature then?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 56 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 10-Aug-2003 15:38 GMT
Guess the new killer features of MorphsOS is the

S/PDIF output,
JIT emulation,
USB,
Warp3D support,
Taskmanager,

Sound like it's has become even more usable now.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 57 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 10-Aug-2003 15:44 GMT
Could somebody please work on a full review?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 58 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 10-Aug-2003 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Kjetil):
No, it's not. Did you ever tried the 'Remove' feature of MCP's crash requester??
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 59 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 10-Aug-2003 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Kjetil):
More to come :-)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 60 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Aug-2003 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Kjetil):
It is a *close* window option. How hard is it to understand that?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 61 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Aug-2003 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Kjetil):
Funny... People critisize MorphOS for lacking some features or something and
when they get implemented they practically ignore them.
So, full 32bit support in MUI is not a killer feature, right? We should stay
with the 16colour MWB look forever...:-)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 62 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Aug-2003 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Don Cox):
>I am interested to know whether MorphOS has any practical advantage over Amithlon.

How fast is your Amithlon PC (cpu model/GHz/RAM-Type)?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 63 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Aug-2003 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
">I am interested to know whether MorphOS has any practical advantage over Amithlon.

How fast is your Amithlon PC (cpu model/GHz/RAM-Type)?"

Athlon 1700+, clock speed 1.3 GHz. I have no idea what the RAM is - the motherboard is KT-7A.

So a very modest machine by this year's standards - bought it back when Amithlon came out.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 64 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 10-Aug-2003 16:53 GMT
Not to attack Genesi for the nice job they did...

BUT

anyone could tell me if they

AT LEAST

Fixed those annoying bugs into the "SAVE ILBM" feature into standard program menu due to (I think) to a lack into ILBM datatype?

It is a long time that Elena Novaretti complains about that bug...

It mangles almost every picture you save from a program if it uses standard ILBM Morphos datatype.

I noticed it by myself when visiting Milky'060 and I tested Pegasos and ZoneXplorer...

It is a major bug for a quite normal *TRUE* Amigaish usage of Pegasos and should be fixed...

Ciao,

Raffaele
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 65 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 10-Aug-2003 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yeahhh ! ;) MWB 8/16 colour palette rulez !!

@+,
Leo.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 66 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 10-Aug-2003 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Nicolas Sallin):
>No, it's not the same as break command. It's not a ctrl-c signal sent
to the task.

Can we have more information about it ?

Leo.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 67 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Aug-2003 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Don Cox):
>Athlon 1700+, clock speed 1.3 GHz. I have no idea what the RAM is - the motherboard is KT-7A.

133 MHz DDR-RAM probably. 1.3GHz sounds wrong for the 1700+. Anyway, I have a similar mainboard (MSI, DDR-RAM, VIA KT266A) and a slightly slower CPU, an AMD Thunderbird overclocked at real 1.5GHz. You probably have the Palomino core released after that. Speedwise, such an Amithlon system and a Pegasos are hardly apart. Same ballpark if you sit in front of it without a stopwatch. If speed and more speed is an overriding criterium, forget Pegasos 1. In your place, I would calmly wait. Opteron/Athlon64, Pegasos 2: Interesting things ahead, bad time to buy. Unless you are very interested in MorphOS and want to develop/sell software for it ASAP.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 68 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 10-Aug-2003 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
<Interesting things ahead, bad time to buy.>
Great to hear such a good and well judged advice. I will take that advice and wait ... and wait... and wait ... for NOT forever.........untill I am in my 90 ties and then I will buy new stuff. :-)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 69 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Aug-2003 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (hgm):
>Great to hear such a good and well judged advice. I will take that advice and wait ... and wait... and wait ... for NOT forever.........untill I am in my 90 ties and then I will buy new stuff. :-)

Don't wait for your nineties, just wait for autumn (or whatever comes first ;-)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 70 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 10-Aug-2003 19:08 GMT
He could buy a PI now and upgrade to the PII
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 71 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 10-Aug-2003 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Raffaele):
[ILBM saving in ZoneXplorer]

Yes, this works now.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 72 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 10-Aug-2003 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
A killer feature should give you a stroke when you hear about them, not make you fart while having good leaf! :)

I where thinking about narrowing down to new features that are not planed or are none existent in AOS4.0 as of now as I know off, I Gauss I'm a bit annoyed by you all MOS users for having some thing new, Guess being bata tester where not my idea of fun, I can wait some more for better integration I guess, I'm not so worried about lacking some drivers and otter external components, even if they are cool.

well there are really only some features not planed for OS4.0 and that is S/PDIF output and the Task-manager, 32bit icons, that I can think off.

The JIT,USB,Warp3D are on the feature list how ever they are not implemented so far.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 73 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 10-Aug-2003 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Oh yes... LOL
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 74 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 10-Aug-2003 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Kjetil):
>well there are really only some features not planed for OS4.0 and that is
>S/PDIF output and the Task-manager, 32bit icons, that I can think off.

You forgot printer support.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 75 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 10-Aug-2003 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Kjetil):
Geez... you look like you've never used an Amiga before... You poor thing!
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 76 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 10-Aug-2003 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Don Cox):
Don, Uae 0.8.22 (maximum optimizations) on my Athlon 1800 XP is slow compared to Mos1.4 on G3-600 in all tests. For example I opened a big (2560*2040*24) image (scannerized on a Acer Usb scanner :D) and applied the same Imp script on both Mos1.4 and Uae. These was the results (I used Windows clock):
Mos 1.4 --- 29 mins
UAE 0.8.22 --- 33 mins
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 77 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Uae on 10-Aug-2003 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Kjetil):
For me is absurd to compare an emulator with a new operative system and a new machine, also because, in these terms, Hyperion and Eyetech can stop all thei work NOW due the fact that Os4 performances are just a "little" slower then Uae JIT on a 1GHz machine.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 78 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 10-Aug-2003 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Kjetil):
...
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 79 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Aug-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Kjetil):
>I'm not so worried about lacking some drivers and otter external components

Otter is a small fish-eating furry animal in German ;-)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 80 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Aug-2003 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Eva):
>Don, Uae 0.8.22 (maximum optimizations) on my Athlon 1800 XP is slow compared to Mos1.4 on G3-600 in all tests

Don was speaking about Amithlon, not about UAE. Major difference.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 81 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Aug-2003 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Uae):
>For me is absurd to compare an emulator with a new operative system and a new machine

It would be absurd if the new operating system would give access to a whole new world of software. But it doesn't. In all fairness to MorphOS, I think questions about speed are perfectly valid. Also, don't forget that users considering an investment into a fast PC may be the future AROS users. AROS, I have been told, has picked up momentum during the last six months.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 82 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 10-Aug-2003 23:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Kjetil):
Hrm? Not implimented?

::looks at his Quake2 hardware render, his USB pencam and his digital speakers all running fine::
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 83 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 10-Aug-2003 23:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Anonymous):
Might I recommend looking at the SuperBundle for information of several MorphOS native apps?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 84 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by tokai on 11-Aug-2003 06:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Anonymous):
New software for MOS is released faster than I can install them! :)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 85 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Aug-2003 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Johan Rönnblom):
Mr: Johan Rönnblom wrote:

>[ILBM saving in ZoneXplorer]
>
>Yes, this works now.

Good.

This means they work seriously now.

(After all those complains about the bug into ILBM that Genesi team didn't seem to listen for, then **it was** the moment to correct it)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 86 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Nowee on 11-Aug-2003 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Raffaele):
Who got you into thinking one has time to lose replying about a bug
reported zillion times ? :)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 87 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 11-Aug-2003 08:05 GMT
Impressive update. Congratulations & keep it up!
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 88 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-Aug-2003 08:07 GMT
I added a couple shots of 1.4 desktop at Morphzone's gallery. Check them out.
Would be interesting to see others desktops aswell, start grabbing and posting.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 89 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Aug-2003 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (hooligan/dcs):
>I added a couple shots of 1.4 desktop at Morphzone's gallery

What about a link?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 90 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Aug-2003 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Nowee):
>Who got you into thinking one has time to lose replying about a bug
reported zillion times ? :)

Now that's arrogant. Would it hurt so much to have a web site with a bug tracking forum (reported, worked on, fixed)?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 91 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by dictionary on 11-Aug-2003 10:48 GMT
@ Kjetil

I know, it´s not the most important thing to write a proper perfect English if you´re not a native speaker. But PLEASE learn it a *little* bit.
For your assistance:

Se -> see
otter -> other
I where -> I was
Amitalon -> Amithlon

Nouns in plural are extended with an "s". Verbs in the third person are extended with an "s". For verbs there are particip forms that can be used. And so on. Just buy a little English course and learn a couple of hours.
I did it as well, as most here who are not antive speakers did. Otherwise communication is hardly near to become impossible.

regards
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 92 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Dictionary 2.0 on 11-Aug-2003 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (dictionary):
> I did it as well, as most here who are not antive speakers did.

I did it as well, as most here did who are not native speakers.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 93 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Aug-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Uae):
" For me is absurd to compare an emulator with a new operative system and a new machine"

Yes, and no.

Yes because there are two halves, no because why should an Amiga User choose Pegasos with MorphOS and emulation over and above a PC with Windows XP and AmigaForever?

Dave.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 94 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 11-Aug-2003 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Dictionary 2.0):
>> I did it as well, as most here who are not antive speakers did.
>
>I did it as well, as most here did who are not native speakers.

I did it as well, as did most here who are not native speakers.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 95 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 11-Aug-2003 11:35 GMT
Trance is publicly available, so now there's nothing stopping from getting new benchmark results...

http://www.volny.cz/luky-amiga/Benchmarks.html
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 96 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-Aug-2003 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Anonymous):
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=ambient2k3&id=Hooligan_MOS1

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=ambient2k3&id=Hooligan_MOS2

(no, I didnt bother to make them as html links)
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 97 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Aug-2003 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (priest):
>http://www.volny.cz/luky-amiga/Benchmarks.html

This page needs a major rework because, it is absolutely unclear what numbers mean (larger better? smaller better?). It is also unclear what criterium was used to sort the list. If some kind of formula was used, how were results weighted? And what does "68k math" mean? Is it floating point math or integer math? It would also be useful to check the HTML code, because much of the page shows up as white-on-white under IE with Webwasher. Finally, I just plain doubt that the results are meaningful. For example, according to the table, a different gfx card improves (are reduces?) the Intuition test result by a factor of five. Just doesn't sound right. Last but not least, results on nearly identical system vary wildly.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 98 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Aug-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (hooligan/dcs):
>http://www.morphzone.org/modules/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=ambient2k3&id=Hooligan_MOS1

Nice. Where can the mplayer in our screenshot be found?
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 99 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 11-Aug-2003 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Nowee):
Mr. Nowee replied to a statement of mine:

>Who got you into thinking one has time to lose replying about a bug
reported zillion times ? :)

The ILBM bug was known for a long ago,

reported by a zillion user,

AND

NEVER FIXED before

and EVEN NOT

by realeasing a PATCH to Replace faulty ILBM Datatype

I was just curious to know if at least (finally) they solve this annoying bug.

By the way:

>Who got you into thinking one has time to lose replying about a bug
reported zillion times ? :)

Well, I had just replied to you, (even thinking it is a loss of time :-)...), because I can't know if you are or not experienced about how it works the world of commerce...

A serious firm, interested in keeping a base of users and buyers simply it MUST to reply quite soon and politely to any FAQ.
MorphOS 1.4 available : Comment 100 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 11-Aug-2003 12:36 GMT
Amithlon on my P4@3ghz is faster than MorphOSJIT/G3@600 which is faster than my WinuaeJIT/Athlon@1.5Ghz which is faster than...

WHO CARES ?

Rahhh... Please stop these STUPID benchmarks :/

I don't need the faster computer... I just need a fast-enough computer to run the apps I need.

Leo.
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