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[Web] Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty.ANN.lu
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www.amiga.org story by James H. Russell - AO Staff Writer/Editor
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 101 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Sep-2003 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Stew):
You will certainly push it up to 500+ posts if you continue to troll like you have
on ANN today.

The only one that sounds like SG from csam is you Stew.
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 102 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Stew on 24-Sep-2003 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Anonymous):
"In Reply to Comment 100:
You will certainly push it up to 500+ posts if you continue to troll like you have on ANN today. "


Finished the concrete pour a little early and some extra time.

"The only one that sounds like SG from csam is you Stew."

The point was not to bash AI as I will buy OS4 as soon as it is released, but those that refuse to acknowledge the truth. Things are revealed that we might not like but no amount of argueing will change the truth. sAnyone that has ONLY negative things (or ONLY positive) about either group is not thinking.
Each group has made mistakes and done some positive things. The world is not only black/white or (insert your favorite color here).

Here is to looking forward to OS4.


Stew
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 103 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 24-Sep-2003 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (T_Bone):
The insolvency didn't start at Commodore, It started at High Torro which I think was renamed Amiga right before it was sold to commodore. But it was sold because the product hadn't yet been released and needed more development but ran out of money.
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 104 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by IamCleverToo on 24-Sep-2003 20:04 GMT
http://www.funmansion.com/images/1050.jpg
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 105 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 24-Sep-2003 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (samface):
Posted by samface (131.116.254.197) on 24-Sep-2003 11:28:09

Did you get your password yet so YOU can post ALL the Thendic-Amiga documents?
Then you can PROVE that you are right?


Since the court decided that Amiga Inc. may pay those debts whenever funds become available, the court obviously thinks that Amiga Inc. are still in a


--------
Hate to bust your bubble - but again you prove you simply cannot comprehend what is written in those documents.

There have been NO decisions by Judge Lasnik on the Thendic-Amiga suit or motions that have been filed. At least as of yesterday. NONE!
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 106 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 24-Sep-2003 20:19 GMT
haha! This has been a fun thread to read :D

All that's missing is that Ray. A. Akey joins the thread and together with samface will argue against everyone how black is white when interprited in Amiga Inc. terms.

I better not say more though, I might get what I'm wishing for...
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 107 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 25-Sep-2003 02:30 GMT
If I were Amiga, I would not settle in any way, shape, or form (as long as it had contractual discretion regarding what devices its DE software resided on). I don't see where this Thendic/Genesi has any say-so in that matter; because, if this well-written overview is accurate (and I have no reason to think it isn't, it seems well-researched), then the 'device' known as Pegasos did not exist until well after the said agreement was signed by its makers and Amiga.

If I were Amiga, I would reinvigorate plans for an Amiga OS on x86/64 CPUs, and announce it far and wide. I would work with AMD, who recently announced their AMD Athlon64, to see what it would take to put or port the OS on their family of chips. I'd also urge those who could and would work on such a project, to contact Amiga. (re: AROS, and the Amithlon people).

If I were Amiga, I could only *hope* people like Carl Sassenrath (Amiga needs REBOL!), R.J. Mical and others would call to help with what *seems* to be badly-needed advice.

But...I'm not Amiga :-) And, my intuition still says this company isn't going anywhere but up. I think maybe we're in for a surprise no one can anticipate, which may turn things around.

This must be the lawsuit I wrote Bill McEwen about awhile back--the one where I told him it would be hard, but he'd get through it.

Personal wish-list of companies I'd like to see 'infuse' cash into Amiga, but without any heavy-handed control: IBM, SUN, and Gateway (I think still distribution through Gateway for Amiga-on-regular-desktop-computers is a prime choice).

Anyhoo...nice article.

--EyeAm
"Sir, it's just not going to happen until someone makes waves. Big...waves."
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 108 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 25-Sep-2003 05:32 GMT
Groan...

The article only dealt with the facts.

Samace, you remind me of this:

http://www.aspencountry.com/aspen/assets/product_images/product_lib/31000-31999/31164.jpg
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 109 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 25-Sep-2003 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Seehund):
Good summary Seehund, but I will add that this "FUD" is actually sworn testimony.

By the way I entered "BAF" on the google image search and got this appropriate image:

http://www.flash.net/~rustyj/BAF.gif

D'oh!
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 110 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2003 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (T_Bone):
Well if the name must be changed, how about considering that the Pegasos and Morphos is the revival of the Amiga ?

The advantage is : they both exist and are sold !
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 111 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by MrBlonde on 25-Sep-2003 10:19 GMT
After being involved with the Amiga community for over 12 I STILl consider
most Amiga diehards as unstable, socially challenged, obsessive .... damn just darn plain strange individuals. Grow up, get a girlfriend for God's sakes!
Even better buy a damn PC and at least have fun again with computers.
I laugh at AmigaOS 4.0 and MorphOS. They are too retro!! Just because some people have been using AmigaOS for so long and are well versed in it (As you should because you have been using the same damn OS for 10 years with little changes) DOES NOT mean that it is USER FRIENDLY. I stil have my A4000 working
and it is fun to play with but COMPLETELY usless in the real world folks. Get REAL!
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 112 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 25-Sep-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (MrBlonde):
Man bist du blond.
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 113 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 25-Sep-2003 11:58 GMT
Forget about chances of revival folks. We're talking about a platform that stopped it's existence over ten years ago. The corpse has just refused to accept it's death because of a hardcore userbase and a number of small companies involved with the platform before it died and stayed.

This is THE LAST chance of coming through! Many of you kept saying that in the beginning when AI was formed 3 years ago, but we all believed McBacons pr and thought even while it might be the last chance, this would be the one to succeed.

That hasn't happened and WILL NOT happen. Not anymore. No one in the computer industry will ever take the amiga seriously, especially after AI's involvement and the mess they left behind. The chances of amiga to wake from the dead is similar to dinosaurs suddenly waking up in museums where their remains are kept to show ppl of the ANCIENT HISTORY.

Look at the current state of computer technology and the speed that everything is moving forward. Now consider we've been left out of this progress in our technology for TEN frigging years! Little patches here and there won't change the fact that even if hyperion and genesi and everyone in amiga industry would combine their forces, we'd still be left out and terribly behind.

That's why AI concieved the plan of DE which has NOTHING to do with amiga except for the name. What kind of investor would be interested in reviving a computer platform from it's death after ten years!? It would have to be Frankenstein of the IT industry and still wouldn't have a happy end as neither did Frankenstein and his mongoloid monster.

The amiga was and is a great platform and I will always have fond memories of it. And I'll continue to keep good care of my amigas and even play around with them when feeling a bit retro. But for god's sakes... Is it a viable platform for todays standards!? c'mon...

I pleed to AI and everyone involved in the mess they created.. Just let our beloved platform die with any shreads of dignity it might still have left if any.
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 114 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 25-Sep-2003 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (gz):
You're perfectly right.
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 115 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Tof on 25-Sep-2003 14:46 GMT
Maybe it will be a good thning for the OS (the hardware is dead since more than 10 years now)

If before they close they could free the OS source, it's going to be a new life for the AmigaOS ... And for me the only good thing that Amiga Inc have do ....

Tof
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 116 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by MrBlonde on 25-Sep-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (gz):
Basically GZ summed up alot better what I was trying to say.
I suggest "No" to open source for AmigaOS. Just let it die please? Same goes
for MorphOS by the way as it too is just as retro as the AmigaOS
Eye-candy can only go SO FAR. Functionally.. both of these systems are
no where near today's OS standards. The hardware for both Peg and A1 are WAY overpriced when one can purchase a used or older model Mac for equal the price (Please dont even suggest MOL. I have used it and it is not a MAC replacement)

There is NOTHING special about these boards! Whatever the reasons are for why these boards are so expensive, they are not justified when you see that even the most HIGHEST end G4 A1 or Pegasos boards are already outdated (Hello? G5 is here!)

Linux on my PC works just as fine so who needs a A1 or Pegasos for that?

Again, AmigaOS (be it 3.9 or if 4.0 ever ships) and also MorphOS are just too retro and not up to standard.

Without Linux installed, interfacing in the real world to a MAC or PC is practically impossible or just TOO much work to integrate and not cost effective. There is no reason to even introduce these machines in current environments without Linux installed. So I ask.. what the hell is all the hype about?????
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 117 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 25-Sep-2003 17:18 GMT
We don't run Amiga; we never did. We just know what we want. Anywhere we ever suggested (even strongly) what they do, it was only because we knew what we wanted in a computer or OS. The company that doesn't listen is the one what goes insolvent.
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 118 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2003 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (gz):
Never heard of Goethe? He said,

Whatever you can do,
or dream you can, begin it.
Boldness has genius, pwoer and magic in it.

To Hyperion, Eyetech and Amiga, I say, go for it!
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 119 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 25-Sep-2003 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (MrBlonde):
Overal, that sounds like mere hyperbole. Comparing the functionality and customizability of OS4 (or even 3.9 bb2) to an OS like Mac X shows that, as an OS, Amiga offers a lot for the user. Now it obviously doesn't come close when it comes to apps., but OS 4 is a new start and can't be expected to provide such a wealth of resources in its first year.
Amiga Inc. is in danger of insolvency and the Amiga brand again faces uncertainty. : Comment 120 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Agnus on 25-Sep-2003 19:59 GMT
Oh my God!
Even Tim Rue is joining in on this one!
Now that's what I call a real flame war!
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