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[News] Genesi and Cloanto Announce Personal Paint for MorphOSANN.lu
Posted on 05-Jan-2004 22:53 GMT by magnetic79 comments
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Great News! Hot off the Press! Genesi and Cloanto announced today that they entered into an agreement to develop a port of Cloanto's Personal Paint for MorphOS. Personal Paint is the leading palette-based graphics package for the Amiga computers, and is still preferred by enthusiasts, video artists, game developers and professionals alike for its set of powerful and user friendly features which have no counterpart on any platform. Under the new agreement, Cloanto is sharing the source code with Genesi, who will assist in the port to its exciting PowerPC-based computing platform. Personal Paint will be bundled with MorphOS.
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Posted by erkan on 06-Jan-2004 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Grzegorz Kraszewski):
I think this is great news. I used Personal Paint in WinUAE when making graphics for my homepages. http://members.chello.se/erkan

I really tried to do the same stuff in Photoshop and Imageready but I couldnt find the button where you turn off antializing for lines you draw. Really I searched for it for more than 30 minutes, also googled it and found nothing!
Cant believe you cant draw lines with the line tool or freehand in PS and IR without them being antialized...
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Posted by spot on 06-Jan-2004 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Don Cox):
I have been in contact with Cloanto over the last two weeks.
It is not a hoax.
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Posted by kalmar on 06-Jan-2004 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (erkan):
aargh, it's completely unreadable and hurts the eyes! nice try though :)
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Posted by Felix on 06-Jan-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Grzegorz Kraszewski):
Hmmmm.. HDRec's pulldown menu suddenly doesn't work anymore.
I never realy tried it with a pegII, mabe thats the prob.

Strange..
Tnx For the TIP anyway!
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Posted by Don Cox on 06-Jan-2004 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (erkan):
"Cant believe you cant draw lines with the line tool or freehand in PS and IR without them being antialiased..."

You can. The pencil is not anti-aliased, and the flood fill and straight line have optional anti-aliasing. There is a switch in the options panel. The brush and the gradient fill seem to be always anti-aliased. It's all a lot of hassle.

Go to www.cosmigo.com/promotion and download the full demo version. The demo is limited as to what formats it will save, otherwise functional.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 06-Jan-2004 17:38 GMT
Real great news. It sounds like an a partial, but nevertheless exciting revival.
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Posted by John on 06-Jan-2004 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (erkan):
I have used Photoshop for a good few years and the stuff you Amigans complain about is just pure bullshit to the extreme, the only downside to PS is that it is a pain to learn but once mastered it does EVERYTHING you need/want (unless your a ignorant Amiga user)

I really wonder why Photoshop is a multi million selling product when Personal Paint does everything better.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 06-Jan-2004 17:59 GMT
"I have used Photoshop for a good few years and the stuff you Amigans complain about is just pure bullshit"

Beg to differ sir. I use Photoshop extensively in my job every day, and it's just crippled when you want to manipulate less or equal to 256 colour images, compared to the non-image manipulating programs, like PPaint.

Photoshop excells in what it is - a program for image manipulation and retouching. But it wont't make it a vector based paint program, a raytracer, or (huhh! surprise!) a bitmap paint program.
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Posted by T1k on 06-Jan-2004 18:09 GMT
I think this is great news. I don't do a lot of graphics but when it happens it's mostly for animations and buttons for webpages. And for that purpose I've found no tool as good as PPaint. All that shite about being stuck in the 90's is a laugh. If all old inventions would be scrapped there would be nothing left of society. You still butter your bread with a butterknife, right?
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Posted by Don Cox on 06-Jan-2004 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (John):
"I have used Photoshop for a good few years and the stuff you Amigans complain about is just pure bullshit to the extreme, the only downside to PS is that it is a pain to learn but once mastered it does EVERYTHING you need/want (unless your a ignorant Amiga user)"

I've been using it since version 0.9. There are things it does well (Duotones, for instance), and there are things that Personal Paint or ProMotion do better.
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Posted by AnonX on 06-Jan-2004 19:11 GMT
well done, i had this ten years ago
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Jan-2004 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (John):
>I have used Photoshop for a good few years and the stuff you Amigans complain about is just pure bullshit to the extreme, the only downside to PS is that it is a pain to learn but once mastered it does EVERYTHING you need/want (unless your a ignorant Amiga user)

Something like a year ago I wanted to have a spraycan in Photoshop (you know, the same spray thats been there since DPaint1) so I could retouch a photo... didn't find it and asked for help. I got instructions worth a bible how to create it .. blaah...
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Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 06-Jan-2004 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (erkan):
I can tell.
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Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 06-Jan-2004 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (John):
Yup. Everyting amiga is better. uh huh.


Someone want to port Gimp?
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Posted by Bifford the Youngest on 06-Jan-2004 21:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (T1k):
Hi T1k

"All that shite about being stuck in the 90's is a laugh. If all old inventions would be scrapped there would be nothing left of society. You still butter your bread with a butterknife, right?"

ROTFLMAO! I could Not have put that any better had I tried to say something similar myself!

Good man!

Bifford
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Posted by ehaines on 06-Jan-2004 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (John):
"I have used Photoshop for a good few years and the stuff you Amigans complain about is just pure bullshit to the extreme, the only downside to PS is that it is a pain to learn but once mastered it does EVERYTHING you need/want (unless your a ignorant Amiga user)"

Nonsense; I use Photoshop most days, and while it's fine for 90% of what I do--
and I never found it a pain to learn--the remaining 10% of the time, I think "If
only there was a Mac port of Brilliance...." Photoshop does not do "everything"
you need/want, or if it does, your needs/wants are kind of limited. Either that
or you're an ignorant PC/Mac user. (Judging from your poor grammar, that could
well be true.)
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Posted by MarkTime on 06-Jan-2004 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Emeric SH):
it's only that one rarely works with 256 color images, and that you don't need a powerpc computer to work with those astonishingly simple 256 color images.
If you want ppaint, well the good news is, everyone that would want it, probably already has it.

and then there is the part, where the idea that ppaint is the best 256 color image editor is just false anyway. But, its definately the best for someone who already owns it, and is familiar with using it.

but I don't want to bash the classic ppaint, it was a classic, just like lightwave. But I can't stand the site of lightwave 5.0 anymore... times have changed, we expect more now.

I would love to see a revival of ppaint, but not based on the old actual code, but rather based on what made it good, and take its good points along with the good points of the gimp and similar products and have a go at a modern program..

but again...good job on porting another piece of software, and it is better to have it, than not have it.
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Posted by ehaines on 06-Jan-2004 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (MarkTime):
"it's only that one rarely works with 256 color images,"

If you're doing Web stuff, it's pretty common.

"and that you don't need a powerpc computer to work with those astonishingly simple 256 color images."

Well, sure, and you don't need a 3 GHz Pentium to work with those astonishingly
simple inter-office memos, either, so what's your point?

"I would love to see a revival of ppaint, but not based on the old actual code, but rather based on what made it good, and take its good points along with the good points of the gimp and similar products and have a go at a modern program."

I hope you mean updating it if someone has some good ideas for making the
program actually work better, rather than just throwing features at it. More
features != modern. (Well, actually, more features does seem to mean modern
these days, but that's bad, not good. *Better* features, not *more* of them,
is where to go, now that most programs have all the features they need. Don't
put a lot of image-processing junk into a pixel-editing program,
thankyewverymuch.)
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Posted by Olegil on 07-Jan-2004 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (graviel slate):
Well, at least stabbing yourself with a butter knife is rather _safe_.

Think positive :-)
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Posted by Olegil on 07-Jan-2004 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Targhan):
Uhm, there are better tools than the good old chain-saw for paper dolls? Where can I get one? What power consumption are we talking here?
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Posted by Olegil on 07-Jan-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (T1k):
No, we stab ourselves with them ;-)

Logically cars should be banned, because THIS ISN'T 1894 ANYMORE, YOU KNOW.
Which is why I gave mine away two weeks ago :-)

Of course, I'm currently shopping for a 4-wheeled petrol-driven horizontal people transportation unit, but that's another story :-)
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Posted by Olegil on 07-Jan-2004 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (ehaines):
You didn't hear? All pictures and icons must from here on use at least 257 colours, by decree of W3C.
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Posted by erkan on 07-Jan-2004 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Olegil):
If I wanted to do my buttons for my homepages in Photoshop I would first have to buy a 700 pages book about PS and read it through.

Some techniques in PS still amaze me! for example there was an example on the web on how to do a simple button. In Dpaint och PP I would simply draw the left side of the button, copy it and mirror it and then have a button, if I would want it to be transparant I would select the right colors and save it as a brush, very easy!. But the walkthrough for creating a simple 2D button in PS was extremely complex involving choosing stuff from menues at the top. It was in no way possible for me to do the same thing in PS without training! And I dont exactly get the impression PS was made for making graphics by drawing lines or plotting pixels, its more an image process program (and yeah I always forget how to save stuff as transparant gifs in PS).

I would much prefer to make for example a logo in PP instead of PS. It all comes down to what you prefer and what you like to work with. If youre 15 years old, grown up on Tekken and multimillion dollar computer animated movies that looks like shit (perhaps you are the ones who where amazed by Jar Jar in Episode 1) I suspect PS is your choice when making graphics.

You know its funny none here has said anything about the pixelization trend on the net. Just take a look on the net and you will see dozens of pages with small parts that are meant to have that trendy "pixelated" retro look. Do you want to do that in PS or PP. I know I wont sit in PS and waste 3 hours on some buttons...

With that said, I would really like to be able to handle more than 256 colors in PP. This comes in handy when I need to cut out a part from a jpg.
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Jan-2004 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (erkan):
"And I dont exactly get the impression PS was made for making graphics by drawing lines or plotting pixels, its more an image process program (and yeah I always forget how to save stuff as transparant gifs in PS)."

You have to "Export" to GIF 89a rather than "Save".


"With that said, I would really like to be able to handle more than 256 colors in PP. This comes in handy when I need to cut out a part from a jpg."

That is where TVPaint comes in handy. I expect that will work in OS 4 and MorphOS as it works fine in Amithlon. It does need a 24-bit screen display.
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Posted by DoomMaster on 07-Jan-2004 20:01 GMT
Do you suppose the AmigaOS 4 version will be more Professional than the MorphOS version?

_DoomMaster_
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Posted by gz on 07-Jan-2004 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (hooligan/dcs):
>>For example lots of demoscene people are into pixeling, like me .. retouching on Photoshop is GHEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY :)


Well then u should be happy with paintshop pro 8 and anim shop 3, unless youre an amiga only graphician. Imho the announcement about ppaint is positive but it really needs an update.

Im still sticking to my pc and paintshop pro when it comes to pixel per pixel and palette working. Oh yeah and isn't it great being able to choose youre palette ranging from anywhere between 2-16mio. colors? ;)
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Posted by ehaines on 08-Jan-2004 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Olegil):
"You didn't hear? All pictures and icons must from here on use at least 257 colours, by decree of W3C."Damn those 9-bit graphics!
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Posted by Raffaele on 09-Jan-2004 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
Mr. Don Cox wrote:

>That is where TVPaint comes in handy.
>I expect that will work in OS 4 and MorphOS
>as it works fine in Amithlon.
>It does need a 24-bit screen display.

I heard it works on MOS... :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jan-2004 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (John):
Mr. John wrote:

>I have used Photoshop for a good few years
>and the stuff you Amigans complain about is just pure bullshit
>to the extreme,

Yeah. You are right man.

Probs with PS are others.

Try for example to pick a simple brush with Photoshop without dealing with masks...

Or

Try to realize in PhotoShop a simple color fill which melts in its right pixel borders without dealing (and changing) with almost a dozen parameters...

(And these are only little examples)

And you will see that programs with CORRECT ***SIMPLE*** features are easier to use.

Why the million selling record program PhotoShop lacks of a *plain* bitmap feature to choose?


>the only downside to PS is that it is a pain to learn
>but once mastered it does EVERYTHING you need/want

Sure they make it easier: CorelPhotoPaint and PaintShopPro

(TheGimp comes third)

And in bitmap editing CorelPainter baffles Photoshop a lot!!!

>(unless your a ignorant Amiga user)

OhMyGod... a Paint troll!

This will complete my collection of the album sticks of "Trolls of the World"

:-)

>I really wonder why Photoshop is a multi million selling product
>when Personal Paint does everything better.

I Know it... I know it...

Oh my God I Knew I was not only an ignorant Amigan.

:-)))))))

May I answer?

:-P


Best regards,

Raffaele
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