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[Files] New version of Jamiga!ANN.lu
Posted on 25-Jan-2004 11:54 GMT by Richi40 comments
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Here you can find the latest version of Jamiga: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jamiga The latest version is alpha 0.0.1 Notes: The first JAmiga Release in 2004. This one features improved stability, some JITting and it allows the first AWT Frame to open :) Don't expect other AWT Apps to run just yet!
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Posted by Repoman on 25-Jan-2004 11:17 GMT
Cool! Thx!
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Posted by Kid X on 25-Jan-2004 12:19 GMT
Sigh. Why is it so hard to provide a one liner description of what your software does? If I wanted to play guessing games, I'd go somewhere else.
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Posted by Richi on 25-Jan-2004 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kid X):
Where have you been?!
Jamiga: Java for Amiga!

You can also follow the link...
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Jan-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kid X):
> Sigh. Why is it so hard to provide a one liner description of what your software
> does? If I wanted to play guessing games, I'd go somewhere else.

If you don't know what it is already, or if you didn't understand it (mentioning AWT should have been more than an hint for you), you're probably not interested in it anyway.
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Posted by Troels E on 25-Jan-2004 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Fabio Alemagna):
True.

But he still have a point.
Many news items concerning programs doesn't say what the program actually does.

It only takes a few minutes to do a short description of the program, what it can do now and what it is planned to do later.

<On-topic>
Great to see development continued, hope someday to be able to use it (it surely ain't of any use to me yet :)
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Posted by Don Cox on 25-Jan-2004 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Troels E):
"Great to see development continued, hope someday to be able to use it (it surely ain't of any use to me yet :)"

It is indeed great to see progress on this project. This is one of the things the Amiga platform needs most.

Getting the AWT to work well will be a big task, so best wishes to the coders.
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Posted by sutro on 25-Jan-2004 16:34 GMT
Talk about timing ... I was searching for JAmiga recent progress a couple of days ago only to be disappointed by the project's seemingly stagnation. Keep up the good work - Java is the best thing that can happen to Amiga.
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Jan-2004 16:46 GMT
> This one features improved stability, some JITting and it allows the first AWT Frame to open :) Don't expect other AWT Apps to run just yet!

Is 0.0.1 just overly careful or a true description of the state of this project? Any idea/timeframe when this Java will be fully usable and run major Java apps? Weeks, months, years?
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Posted by Soundwave on 25-Jan-2004 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Fabio Alemagna):
If you don't know what it is already, or if you didn't understand it (mentioning AWT should have been more than an hint for you), you're probably not interested in it anyway.

I disagree. I think that the statement is fair - it should be in the interest of the original developer to attract as many users as possible to his or her piece of software. "AWT" doesn't mean anything for a person not knowing anything about Java.

In the end, I think this discussion is about whether or not AmigaOS technology is meant for ordinary people or computer scientists (just like the popular attitudes in the Linux communities).

Developers: write good software - then promote it just as good!
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Jan-2004 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Soundwave):
> I disagree. I think that the statement is fair - it should be in the interest
> of the original developer to attract as many users as possible to his or her
> piece of software. "AWT" doesn't mean anything for a person not knowing
> anything about Java.

That's my point: if you don't know about Java, then you're not intersted in Java. Java is for developers, not normal users, normal users are pointed to java anyway, when they need to be.

Would you like that every time an announcement about AROS were made, you'd also have to read _what_ is AROS? Don't think so.
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Posted by smithy on 25-Jan-2004 19:55 GMT
It's good to see that Java is eventually coming our way! Is Jamiga based on any existing JVM? Is it a port or a project written from scratch?
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Posted by Anonymous on 25-Jan-2004 21:45 GMT
Waste of time project, develop something useful.
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Posted by Richi on 25-Jan-2004 22:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Troll you're wasting your time on Amiga, Windows is waiting for you.
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Posted by James Carroll on 26-Jan-2004 05:25 GMT
It's good that they're excited about their project, but why announce updates when its not really useful yet?
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Posted by anon on 26-Jan-2004 05:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (James Carroll):
why not? AmigaOS4 news is posted here constantly for the past 4 years, why not Jamiga?
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Posted by Jupp3 on 26-Jan-2004 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Would you like that every time an announcement about AROS were made, you'd also have to read _what_ is AROS? Don't think so.

You don't _have_ to read all text you can get on your monitor. If it's useless information for you, it doesn't mean it would be same for everyone else
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Jan-2004 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Jupp3):
> You don't _have_ to read all text you can get on your monitor. If it's useless
> information for you, it doesn't mean it would be same for everyone else

So you would indeed like me to paste

"AROS is a portable and free desktop operating system aiming at being compatible with AmigaOS 3.1, while improving on it in many areas. The source code is available under an open source license, which allows anyone to freely improve upon it."

every time I post a news about AROS? Well, I bet most wouldn't agree with you :-) How about, insteas, simply following the <a href="http://www.aros.org/>link</a>? The answer to all your questions, and even more, is always there.
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Posted by Deniil 715 on 26-Jan-2004 08:57 GMT
I think a line about each program or project is good, alternatively a link to it's homepage is good enough, if it has one.

For AROS the line could be:
AROS, Amiga Research OS, is an AmigaOS clone for x86 aiming at OS3.1 API compatibility.

For Jamiga:
Jamiga is a project aiming at giving Java to Amiga.

Doesn't have to be 5-10-50 lines!
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jan-2004 09:16 GMT
Develop better software or ditch the platform.
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Posted by Don Cox on 26-Jan-2004 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (James Carroll):
"It's good that they're excited about their project, but why announce updates when its not really useful yet?"

Because it gives people outside the team a chance to try it out and report problems.

It might even attract another coder to the team.

And with such an important project, any news is of interest.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Jan-2004 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Deniil 715):
"AROS, Amiga Research OS, is an AmigaOS clone for x86 aiming at OS3.1 API compatibility"

Which is not exactely true.
As true as:
"Linux is an Unix clone for x86 ..."

Even so AROS is mainly developed on X86 it does not mean it aims ONLY at being a clone for x86.

For example:

- Parts of AROS have been used in MorphOS.
- A 68k build could be done for the people who wish to stay on 68k (or even for people using 68k emulators wishing to execute 68k programs).
- A coldfire build could be made for the Nueron HW.
- If a new revolutionary CPU ever come AROS could be ported to it quickly.

Tx to the opensource project AROS has a great potential to participate in several projects.
IMHO AROS would need a portable 68k emu (which may be an hard task) to get more momentum and get more support.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 26-Jan-2004 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Christophe Decanini):
... and a PPC version for the Pegasos! ;-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jan-2004 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
I think that only MicroSoft fans can think that porting java is waste of time. Well Java is direct competitor to MS products in many way :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jan-2004 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Microsoft = billion dollar company

Amiga Inc + Eyetech + Hyperion + Elbox + Genesi + all the other shitty dodgy companies = all together are not even 0.0000000001 percent of Microsoft :-P
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Posted by Kid X on 26-Jan-2004 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Deniil 715):
For AROS the line could be:
AROS, Amiga Research OS, is an AmigaOS clone for x86 aiming at OS3.1 API compatibility.

For Jamiga:
Jamiga is a project aiming at giving Java to Amiga.

Doesn't have to be 5-10-50 lines!


I think you're making a good and fair statement here. Your examples are informative, short and yet objective. That's professional promotion. Lack of knowledge does not imply, nor suggest ignorance - keep in mind that we've all been kids. You have to start somewhere. A humble attitude towards potential users not having the same insight in your software as every rocket scientist in this community has is in my opinion crucial if you want to strengthen your user base.
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jan-2004 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
And what has that to do with anything ? Amiga companies are small, so what ? Java is not Amiga-only language or something like that. Java IS actually wery popular in the mainstream world these days. Java-environment and technology IS direct competitor to Microsoft products. There is lot's of Java technologies which are directly competing with Microsoft. Java is open system, which can be ported to Amiga, or to any other system, and it sure is good that there is project like JAmiga. Project like that sure is not waste of time. Java can bring mainstream alot closer to Amiga and that would be really good for the Amiga.
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Posted by Big Red Troll on 26-Jan-2004 15:17 GMT
Great work so far - I really like Java as a language, so I can't wait for this project to progress further.

Well done all involved for getting so far in such a short space of time.
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Posted by Gregg on 26-Jan-2004 15:50 GMT
This is probably as good a place as any to ask :

Anybody have any further information on the current status of the MorphOS Java project (which at one time included Havemose, apparently)?

Gregg
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Posted by Ed on 26-Jan-2004 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Fabio Alemagna):
You're wronggggg. The info should be there for those that want it. Those that don't need it can skipppp it.
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Posted by Big Red Troll on 26-Jan-2004 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Gregg):
Last I heard Dr Havermose and Genesi had parted company. Anyone with some more recent info?
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Jan-2004 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ed):
> You're wronggggg. The info should be there for those that want it. Those that
> don't need it can skipppp it.

The info is one click away for those that want it: if you WANT it, you're certainly willing to click on a link more, aren't you?

Let's stop this futile discussion once and for all.
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Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jan-2004 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
>In Reply to Comment 21 (Christophe Decanini):
>... and a PPC version for the Pegasos! ;-)

Why? You already have a perfectly good OS? Besides, AROS
is of no use, (as of now) anyway.

But yes, maybe the MOS people could start coding for
AROS, but I don't see that happening, they'll probably
much rather code for MOS. Who can blame them?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 26-Jan-2004 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
If AROS on Pegasos can run MorphOS binaries and vice versa then they will benefit from each other. One more bridge between developers is a good thing.
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Posted by Felix on 26-Jan-2004 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> Microsoft = billion dollar company
>
> Amiga Inc + Eyetech + Hyperion + Elbox + Genesi + all the other shitty dodgy > companies = all together are not even 0.0000000001 percent of Microsoft :-P

Having billion dollars makes you rule ehh ?
See what billion dollars turned M.Jackson into :) hehehe
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Posted by John on 26-Jan-2004 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Felix):
> See what billion dollars turned M.Jackson into

Your father?
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Posted by James Carroll on 27-Jan-2004 02:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
@Don Cox

Good points, I didnt think of that.
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Posted by Gregg on 27-Jan-2004 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Big Red Troll):
Silly question - we have much more important things to discuss here...

Gregg
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Posted by Felix on 27-Jan-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (John):
Daddy please buyout M$ :)
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Posted by FWDtoday on 27-Jan-2004 20:52 GMT
I also wish that whoever posts about some new prog or update to one would give a small bit of data as to what the heck it is. Many of us work long hours online and do not habve time to more than check in once in awhile. Could be wrong but it seems only the unemployed or underemployed have time to keep up with all on newsgroups. Thanks
FWDtoday
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Posted by anon on 29-Jan-2004 03:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (FWDtoday):
Yea, well that's most of us :(
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