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After consultation with our German CD production partner, House of Audio, Hyperion Entertainment is pleased to announce that the Developer Pre-Release of AmigaOS 4.0 is now tentatively scheduled for May 21th, 2004. Leuwen, Belgium - May 13 2004. The AmigaOS 4.0 CD will be distributed through your AmigaOne dealer. Source: Amigaworld.net
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 101 of 227ANN.lu
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Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 102 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Eva):
You know you should maybe you should go inn to publishing books, they shore be interesting read, don't you think :)

This comment like that makes me wonder if you are some kind of female version "Jackel and hide" or not.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 103 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-May-2004 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Kjetil):
"Jackel and hide" ?
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 104 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 14-May-2004 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Mark):
>The AmigaOne owners are to blame for being so stupid in the first place.

Someone or something has to be faulty before you try to find someone or something to blame it on. I'm sorry but I really don't see why anyone would be at fault nor "stupid" for the sole reason of buying an AmigaOne much less why the act of buying an AmigaOne would be faulty in itself.

Furthermore, I really think you should atleast try thinking before you insult hundreds and maybe even thousands of AmigaOne owners. I don't see anyone calling Pegasos owners stupid for the sole reason of beeing Pegasos owners, are you? Surely you must be able to show us the same kind of courtesy, or is that too much to ask?
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 105 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 14-May-2004 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Mark):
" The AmigaOne owners are to blame for being so stupid in the first place. they bought the hardware knowing they will have to wait for the main OS, now they have the cheek to complain. it serves them right and they should have thought about that instead of splashing money on hopes."


Yeah, but the AmigaOne owners are NOT the ones complaing it's the Blue Trolls. The people that bought an AmigaOne knew that had to wait for the OS... now that it's getting really really close they're just getting excited. The Blue Trolls are the only b1tching around here.

Just look.. do you think Eva owns an AmigaOne? No, but she is one of the Blue Trolls making noise. Leave the Amiga Community alone and go have fun the MorphOS community. Stop telling peopl they're morons! People can spend their money on what ever they want...
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 106 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by ms on 14-May-2004 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Sammy Nordström):
Blame liars at Amiga Incorporated, namely HMetal and Fleecy Moss. They were constantly spreading lies regarding AmigaOS trying to destroy Amiga scene for their own good and promote their AmigaDE. We remember their ridiculous ExtremeTech interview and "Ask Fleecy" circus.

Shame MorphOS was winning when Amiga Inc was in the scene. Now they are gone and OS4 is winner.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 107 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Tony Little on 14-May-2004 14:25 GMT
Tough shit is all i say. so your mama bought you a nice Teron board with no AOS4 available? tough shit, i hope hyperion delays it even more.

Nice one Hyperion and please delay the product even more.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 108 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Fredrik on 14-May-2004 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Tony Little):
"Nice one Hyperion and please delay the product even more."
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You are actually beging for a delay??
You must be very scared and desperate.

Funny to see how some people react on AmigaOS4 news, especially good news:-)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 109 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 14-May-2004 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Analnymous):
Not sure whether anyone derives "pleasure" from calling the Nova-T by its real name ("Technotrend"), but at least here in Oz, it appears that people who realize this fact end up using the (better) Technotrend drivers, whereas people who don't realize it use the inferior Hauppage ones....
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 110 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Tony Little):
Are trying to be removed? what is your point/angel?
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 111 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-May-2004 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Agima):
>The people that bought an AmigaOne knew that had to wait for the OS... now that it's getting really really close they're just getting excited.

Close? It's in pre-beta as we speak, and not even at customers. It might take months before you will see the final product. Let's put the issue in right proportions.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 112 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (ms):
and all the notice and broken contracts, all the other fuzz.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 113 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-May-2004 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Don Cox):
Yes, Don, but they're the ones who always said "It'll be ready when it's ready", no?

So, either the 21st is the release date or it isn't. If it isn't, then there is no announcement to be made. If it is, then Hyperion bear the responsibility delivering on time by that deadline. I haven't heard anyone else announcing deadlines, then prefacing it with "German postal service permitting". Use couriers, for f__k's sake. Use a service who guarantee delivery on time. Don't tell me such things don't exist in Germany.

But it's not that, is it? "pre-release developer CD"? "tentative" release date? What I see is a company who want the publicity and kudos but none of the responsibility. I know they demand to be treated like gods, and I know that's how the Red section of the community see them, but they ain't.

Why not just wait until the damn copies are out of the door and on their way to the distributors? After nearly three years of saying "when it's ready" why couldn't they stick with that for a few more weeks?

What is hilarious is that the same people who are so excited about these pre-announcement announcements are the same people who were most dismissive of Genesi playing the same PR game in months past. Hypocrisy within the Amiga scene is rooted deep in the soul it seems.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 114 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Bill Hoggett):
I remember allot of folks arguing MorphOS is all candy for the eyes, no what can I say,

now that Elena Novaretti, with the help of Massimo Tantignone and ported this candy for the eyes features,
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 115 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Kjetil):
now MorphOS can hardly be called eye candy, can it? Seen lots of screenshots of it, reminds me of the early birdie days
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 116 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Anonymous):
I miss an edit button ;)

MorphOS should have gotten itself a new different gui, that looks complete, it should walk away from the hacked mui/birdie look that it has now
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 117 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 14-May-2004 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Bill Hoggett):
@Bill:

>> What I see is a company who want the publicity
>> and kudos but none of the responsibility.

So they improved from "deceiving liars" ("GONE GOLD?") to "cowards with too much of an ego"? Not that bad, me thinks...

>> I know they demand to be treated like gods,

That's a good one, Bill. Even if Hyperion deliver the best product mankind ever invented, at a price that would even tempt Ralph Schmidt, you can still blame them for "demanding to be treated like gods". I'm impressed.

>> Why not just wait until the damn copies are
>> out of the door and on their way to the
>> distributors?

Because it wouldn't make the slightest bit of a difference. You'd still be here, complaining about god knows what. On the other hand, some AmigaOne customers might be interested.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 118 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-May-2004 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Anonymous):
Get away of MUI looks when it's MUI based? :-)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 119 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (hooligan/dcs):
Ehm, ok default mui look then ;)

How about 32bit png toolbar support, rearranging of buttons, etc etc
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 120 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Anonymous):
And why not round, oval, different shapes of buttons? hardware shading? shadows? Heh, ok im way over my head here :P
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 121 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 14-May-2004 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Rassilon):
Why would you think it's a "joke" to call a Teron "Teron"? Why would you think that name is intended to "wind up" anybody? You're pretty unique in being wound up by things like that. Honestly.

"IOPS MFP-312". Oops. I'm sorry. Did that wind you up? Would you prefer "Jens Of Sweden MP-130", and whatever else these MP3 players might also be sold as? No? What about the Technotrend card someone mentioned? No reaction? Is it just *some* original product names that you're allergic to? Is it just computer hardware that can induce these anaphylactic chocks of yours, or should we be careful with other types of products as well?

If someone gets a licence to sell PowerMacs bundled with AmigaOS, will you complain when people refer to the PowerMac as "PowerMac" instead of whatever the licensed distributor might choose to market them as? And what about if someone gets a licence to sell Pegasoses? "You just call it a Pegasos to wind people up!"

Using newly introduced labels by third parties instead of the original names is just confusing. Especially when these new labels are similar to extinct products like Amigas (which is proven when one frequently sees some confused people talk about "new Amiga hardware"), and when the new labels are confusing per se ("Micro AmigaOne" for the Teron Mini - Huh?).

The name Teron is not a "troll", nor is it a "development name", nor is it derogatory in any way. ISTR it means "dragon", which is another label it's sold under, BTW. I smell an unhealthy attachment to a nowadays meaningless trademark.

Besides, when it suits them (like when trying to defend AInc's various rebate schemes), there's one school of thought that claims that there are no "AmigaOnes" sold yet. Eyetech's Terons must be shipped bundled with AmigaOS and have their firmware dongled, and yada yada.

Is that enough of the off-topic stuff for today? :)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 122 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Seehund):
Sounds like you need to come down, Teron equally good name Amiga just seals better, and nothing will make me more happy if the community and the users of platform grows inn numbers and not inn height.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 123 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 14-May-2004 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Anonymous):
Now we're talking. I agree fully.. there should be _something_ which should make it a bit different from other OS's. Round buttons in toolbar (Panel) in this case wouldn't be such bad idea.


BTW, today at work I showed a few MOS-desktops to a co-worker, and he was totally sold.. was even prepared to to buy Pegasos2 but I managed to stop him by telling no, there will not be AutoCAD for MorphOS :)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 124 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 14-May-2004 16:17 GMT
Ben Herman lied to bouma dogs, no OS4 availble for long time. on schedul and rockin.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 125 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 14-May-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Anonymous):
There are shadows.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 126 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 14-May-2004 16:33 GMT
@all
if you don't like OS4 or A1 simple ignore this news items. Everybody spend their money in the way they like, if you think that this is a waste of money, you can say it one time to suggest to the other users your opinion but not in every thread.

Please everyone, stop trolling, enjoy Os4, or MOS or AROS. Enoy the funny computing and be supportive not descructive :-)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 127 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Eva):
Why isn`t Eva banned yet? All that comes out of his keyboard is petrol on fire.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 128 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 14-May-2004 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (ikir):
No Ikir, because then the know-it-all, cynical pricks who have nothing better to do than complain about something they apparently have no interest in would have no where to go and be unpopular! ;-)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 129 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Anonymous):
Maybe due there not bing any user account's, any way just thing of comment 124 as comment 101, there is no difference relay,
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 130 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Kjetil):
Maybe due there not bing any user account's, any way just think of comment 124 as comment 101, there is no difference relay,
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 131 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Kjetil):
you should really start practising your english ;-)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 132 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Anonymous):
Well Just typed a bit fast for my own good, not reading trow the number of times need to to decode my errors, any way I think you and others, can under stand me inn most cases, even when I'm not as my best.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 133 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Kjetil):
bugger :) this is not may day..... argggg... as = at,
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 134 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Analnymous on 14-May-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Bernie Meyer):
I don't know if Nova-T and Technotrend budget are same card, but I know that I just don't care. I bought my card as a Nova-T and that's the name I'm going to use if I talk about it. Sure it is nice to know to be able to use both drivers, but what would you think about people calling Nova-T as an rebadged Technotrend and Nebulus being as much an next generation WinTV as Technotrend, but just without the name? :-D :-D

Btw. I was under impression that Hauppauge drivers are "fixed" Technotrend's drivers.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 135 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 14-May-2004 17:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Seehund):
> What's that got to do with anything? Eyetech's customers have hitherto payed for
> AmigaOS with all Terons sold, haven't they? The "Earlybird" offer?

There was a cutoff date for the Earlybird stuff. As I understand, my order for my personal AmigaOne machine was placed after this cutoff date, and thus I should not expect to receive an OS4 prerelease CD. Financial things prevented me from ordering sooner (for example, my car had problems and I had to buy a new transmission for it, which cost over US$3400) or I would have qualified as an Earlybird order. While it's possible the cutoff date was extended, I'm not aware of that actually happened.

Just because someone bought a board does not guarantee that person also got an OS4 license. So that person does not necessarily have any right to the prerelease CD.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 136 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Eva):
fuck you blue trolls
AmigaOS4 and I stress the word "Amiga" is already here.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 137 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 14-May-2004 17:46 GMT
This thread is amazing...
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 138 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Kjetil):
> bugger :) this is not may day..... argggg... as = at,

Actually, this is a May day ;)
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 139 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Eva):
Ben Hermans isn't involved anymore. He is just "around" for "legal consultations".
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 140 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by NanoNym on 14-May-2004 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Anonymous):
Says who ?
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 141 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Anonymous):
BTW, why not just remove this thread? It's pathetic IMHO!
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 142 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-May-2004 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (NanoNym):
Himself.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 143 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by NanoNym on 14-May-2004 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Anonymous):
Someone then he has an imaginative mind.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 144 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Anonymous):
LOL... f**k
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 145 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-May-2004 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Stefan Burström):
> Huh? Do we? When I ported MUI to PPC I didn't rely at all on the MMU.

You didn't rely? You mean you have more than one way to emulate things? That's even more embarassing, if you ask me. I can only assume the "other way" is there so to avoid the performance penalty of the "1st way".

It's not me who said that the emulator works by catching attempts of the processor to execute data, and by assuming that data is 68k code.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 146 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Fabio Alemagna):
You didn't rely? You mean you have more than one way to emulate things? That's even more embarrassing, if you ask me. I can only assume the "other way" is there so to avoid the performance penalty of the "1st way".

Clearly you don't understand what he is saying, he started emulation directly from his program so he can access 68k MUI classes, not library's provided by the os, he simply skipped all checks as he know what type the class where, no to check.

It's not me who said that the emulator works by catching attempts of the processor to execute data, and by assuming that data is 68k code.

MMU traps on JIT'ed programs to avoid checking what type of assembler instructions are stored inn that location it jumps to, is there any faster way to check what type of code is stored inn that location? if not then you have nothing to complain about. Remember JIT'ed programs run realtime,

If you propose trapping instructions, that that will effect all OS40 native programs, and not just the once that use 68k functions, and there will be more interrupts where it's not need then when using MMU traps,
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 147 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-May-2004 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Fabio Alemagna):
You mean you have more than one way to emulate things?

Interpreted and JIT'ed you mean?
MorphOS have the same.

Interpreted can Handel self modifying code (PowerPacker),
Jit can not understand when code is altered, as it runs on the recompiled PPC code and it's totally unaware of the change done to the 68k codes.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 148 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 14-May-2004 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Kjetil):
"MMU traps on JIT'ed programs to avoid checking what type of assembler instructions are stored inn that location it jumps to, is there any faster way to check what type of code is stored inn that location? if not then you have nothing to complain about."

Anything is faster than causing an MMU exception and then have to do a context switch...

"If you propose trapping instructions, that that will effect all OS40 native programs, and not just the once that use 68k functions, and there will be more interrupts where it's not need then when using MMU traps,"

Traps are not managed by the MMU, and if handled correctly there can be next-to-no overhead in using them...

"Interpreted can Handel self modifying code (PowerPacker), Jit can not understand when code is altered, as it runs on the recompiled PPC code and it's totally unaware of the change done to the 68k codes."

Unless the self-modifying code doesn't tell the system it's modifying itself (in which case it won't even work on later 68k cpus when caches are enabled) JIT can handle such code just fine...


- CISC
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 149 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 14-May-2004 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Anonymous):
I don't believe you, anonymous troll.
Pre-Realese announcement : Comment 150 of 227ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 14-May-2004 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Eva):
bouma dogs?
http://members.tripod.com/luismorgado/doberman.jpg
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