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Posted on 04-Jul-2004 14:02 GMT by Truth335 comments
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There is no DMA in the AmigaOne. http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5558&forum=13
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 51 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
> Thats a silly statment.

You think?

> Im glad that you can develop Drivers for hardware & get it working 100% right
> on your first try fab.

Who said that? The thing is, I wouldn't say I have a working driver unless it's 100% working, or at least it's usable without causing damages.

So, either that driver was usable and not causing damages - which raises the question "why has it not been shipped with the prerelease" - or it wasn't usable and/or was causing damages, which imples that DMA was not yet working when they announced it was.

As simple as that, really.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 52 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
> Oh so Aros release everything with out being tested or optimized & just so they
> say its released.

I'm not sure what's got AROS with all this, but anyway... We don't "release", we work on the sources, sources anyone can get and feel the progress day by day. This is how open source works in general.

But deflecting attention from the topic won't help you make your point. My question still remains unanswered.
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Fabio Alemagna):
deflecting how ?

Oh i get it Its OK for MOS team to hold stuff back but not the Aos4.

Clear as daylight.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
> deflecting how ?

By talking about irrelevant stuff.

> Oh i get it Its OK for MOS team to hold stuff back but not the Aos4.

I've not said that. I'm not even saying the AOS4 team is holding back stuff, I rather said that evidence points to the fact that DMA was not working when they announced it was.
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Fabio Alemagna):
"I rather said that evidence points to the fact that DMA was not working when they announced it was."

Now that been cleared up you will not have to bring that point up again.
Or are you going keep quoting t years old comments again & again like Amiga.inc annouced that AmigaOs is dead even tho they now have very little to do with the future of amigaOs now or better still maybe we should hold eyetech/KMOS/Hyperion to statments made buy Gateway Amiga team who was going to go With QNX = AmigaOs is dead or then amigaOs as a linux flavor = amigaOs is dead.

Get over it times change, things change, AmigaOs4 is on its way.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
> Get over it times change, things change, [...]

But somehow stupid people manage to stay stupid.

Makes you wonder.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 57 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Fabio Alemagna):
Yes you haven't lernt at all.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 58 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 04-Jul-2004 22:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (hooligan/dcs):
> Judging by the laughable booting times of OS4, the DMA is not enabled in the
> pre-dev OS4, which I am quite sure will be fixed in near future. So all will be
> well there

12 seconds. Really laughable.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 59 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 04-Jul-2004 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Fabio Alemagna):
> Just very curious.

No, just very inflammable
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Posted by Thomas Frieden on 04-Jul-2004 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Fabio Alemagna):
> On a related note, dunno if completely IT, how come people are experiencing so
> poor transfer rates with their networks?

TCPSpeed say 9.8 MB/s on a 100 MBit network.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 61 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 04-Jul-2004 22:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
It's not about what is "ok". Fact is, there is *no* evidence that A1
DMA works anywhere, since no DMA driver is released.

Oh, so you say you haven't noticed any problem with this unreleased
version? Ok, but you didn't notice any problem in Linux either. Have
you already forgotten all those long threads where people claimed to
be using DMA with Linux on the A1 without any problems whatsoever? The
proof that DMA in Linux/A1 was broken didn't come from Hyperion or
their "wonder" betatesters, but from the outside. Only when DMA for
OS4 is actually released, can we expect people with a critical
attitude to take a look at it - before then it's eventual existance is
no proof at all.

Oh, and btw.. I also used MOS for almost half a year on a buggy
non-April peg1, and I would not have discovered the problem unless I
had been informed about it. So it's not like I'm insulting your
intelligence when I say your experience is no proof. To investigate
these problems you need to look for them specifically, and also it
helps if you have the proper kind of knowledge. If you don't, you may
very well experience problems arising from this issue, but you will
probably not know what causes these problems, so it won't tell you
anything.
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Posted by Thomas Frieden on 04-Jul-2004 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Fabio Alemagna):
> I don't care. I raised another point: we've been told AGES ago that DMA was
> working, many many months ago. Still, the prerelease is lacking proper DMA.

The answer is quite simple. The DMA driver was very new at the time of the prerelease. Naturally, new software is risky to release. Since we know the DMA issue is kind of sensitive, we wanted to be absolutely sure that there is no bug in a1ide.device. Otherwise, all those nice people like you would jump to conclusion and shout "The Articia S is buggy" all over the place, regardless of whether it's a software error or not. People like you would not care, nor ask.

Therefore, we decided not to release the DMA driver. It's as simple as that, and I think it's a sensible approach.

Happy flaming.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Thomas Frieden):
> No, just very inflammable

Well, thanks for the very informative answer :-)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Thomas Frieden):
> TCPSpeed say 9.8 MB/s on a 100 MBit network.

Browse AW.net and see other people's experiences.

Or are you saying I'm a liar? Most people can't get more than 200/300KB/s out of their networks, which is an undeniable fact. I was just interested in why.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 04-Jul-2004 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Thomas Frieden):
Thomas, that's a sensible approach but it also means you will have to
accept that for the time being, there is absolutely no proof
whatsoever that DMA on the A1 can work at all, and even less proof
that it can work without a heavy performance penalty.

If one day you can demonstrate that it can, well, that will be your
day. Until then.. it's not.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 66 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 22:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Johan Rönnblom):
"It's not about what is "ok". Fact is, there is *no* evidence that A1
DMA works anywhere, since no DMA driver is released."

SW does not need to be given out to the public at large for it to be fact that it exsits or that it works.

Beta Aos4 users have the facts.

"Oh, so you say you haven't noticed any problem with this unreleased
version? Ok, but you didn't notice any problem in Linux either."

Lern to read before you yack.

I never disputed the fact that there is a problem with DMA on the Aone with linux nore do i care so yes i did notice but did not bring it up because i dont care i want Aos4 & is only intrested in how well amigaOs4 runs on it :)

But then again why should you care at all.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 22:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Thomas Frieden):
> The answer is quite simple. The DMA driver was very new at the time of the
> prerelease. Naturally, new software is risky to release. Since we know the DMA
> issue is kind of sensitive, we wanted to be absolutely sure that there is no
> bug in a1ide.device. Otherwise, all those nice people like you would jump to
> conclusion and shout "The Articia S is buggy" all over the place, regardless
> of whether it's a software error or not. People like you would not care, nor
> ask.

The fact the Articia is buggy, in that it doesn't fulfill its specifications, it's a well known fact witnessed also by people outside the Amiga community. I won't deny you the right to call it "feature" - I know you'll never admit the sad truth - but allow others to give things their proper names.


> Therefore, we decided not to release the DMA driver. It's as simple as that,
> and I think it's a sensible approach.

That only means the driver is not fully working and prone to cause damages, just like I suggested. Thanks for proving my point.
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Posted by Gregg on 04-Jul-2004 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Fabio Alemagna):
So, either that driver was usable and not causing damages - which raises the question "why has it not been shipped with the prerelease" - or it wasn't usable and/or was causing damages, which imples that DMA was not yet working when they announced it was.

As simple as that, really.

Life seldom is.

Not that I know a DMA from an MBA (ack! ptui!), but I'd say you missed a biggie :

3) Or it was thought to be working, but wasn't (which is a testing error, of course, but we'll take as a given that humans are fallible) .

How many gold stars do I get?

Cookies?

Pokes in the eye with a sharp stick?

Ah well...

Gregg
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Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Fabio Alemagna):
Oh it can only be a hardware bug it could not be anything like a setup problem or non upto date lib or other bit of SW that did not make it into the pre-replease.

Dont think to hard now.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 70 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 04-Jul-2004 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
Oh yeah, and I can fly too, by flapping my arms like a bird. I really
can. But I won't show anyone. It's still a fact though that I really
can fly and if you *dare* to question the fact I am in fact the first
human being able to fly without tools, my army of anonymous believers
will troll you to death!
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 71 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Fabio Alemagna):
"That only means the driver is not fully working and prone to cause damages, just like I suggested. Thanks for proving my point."

Well ofcorse it was not fully working before the pre or it would of been inclued DUH!

So you proved nothing that the rest of Aone users did not already know.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Gregg):
> 3) Or it was thought to be working, but wasn't (which is a testing error, of
> course, but we'll take as a given that humans are fallible) .

Hows does that differ from point 2 in my post, apart from the "human factor"? I am merely considering the possibility it was never really working. Now, if it was REALLY not working at the time, whether they blatanly lied or were simply mistaken is out of my concerns.

A
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 73 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Fabio Alemagna):
Why are you worried if it was or was not at the time.

Seeing as your not an Aone owner.

What you think means jack-S
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 74 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):

@EntilZha

Quote:

Then your knowledge is rather limited. eth3com.device and the emu10k driver are both DMA drivers. FYI, the 3COM chip can *only* operate in DMA mode.

Describing either of those drivers as 'working' is being more than a bit optimistic. On my A1 (and many others, going by the various threads on here) they are unstable to the point of being useless. Something - either the drivers or the hardware - is clearly broken.

Live from AW.net. Hope you like it.

Okay, the 3com driver is new and probably immature, but Martin Blom's EMU10K driver is mature and solid - I've been running it on Amithlon for months with no problems. It's rather worrying that the same code (or mostly the same) runs so badly on the A1.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 75 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Fabio Alemagna):
Oops, copy'n'paste mistake again. here it goes, with full reference:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=13&topic_id=5558&post_id=72294&viewmode=thread&order=0#72294


@EntilZha

Quote:
Then your knowledge is rather limited. eth3com.device and the emu10k driver are both DMA drivers. FYI, the 3COM chip can *only* operate in DMA mode.

Describing either of those drivers as 'working' is being more than a bit optimistic. On my A1 (and many others, going by the various threads on here) they are unstable to the point of being useless. Something - either the drivers or the hardware - is clearly broken.

Okay, the 3com driver is new and probably immature, but Martin Blom's EMU10K driver is mature and solid - I've been running it on Amithlon for months with no problems. It's rather worrying that the same code (or mostly the same) runs so badly on the A1.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 76 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Fabio Alemagna):
You realy like to prove a point just for the sake of it.
I seen you rant for astronomical amount of time to prove a point to which there is little to no value at all.

But t makes you feel good i can see.

You must be lacking elsewhere.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 77 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 04-Jul-2004 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
> Yes you haven't lernt at all.

LOL!!!!
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 78 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 22:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
> You realy like to prove a point just for the sake of it.

Oh, quite funny :-) Let me understand: I ask a question, the answer that I'm given does not respond to my question, then you jump in and accuse me of assuming the worst and drawing false conclusions (when all I did was asking a mere question), so I give you some facts to bash your head against to, and then you try to deflect attention again.

Do you always entertain such kind of discussions?

> I seen you rant for astronomical amount of time to prove a point to which
> there is little to no value at all.
>
> But t makes you feel good i can see.

Of course, could the cheap ad hominem attack ever go unused? ;-)
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 79 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 04-Jul-2004 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Thomas Frieden):
> 12 seconds. Really laughable.

Participating in the "laugh in" comedy that is the amiga market? ;)
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 80 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Darth_X):
Oh great darth so you can speak & write in every Language with out mistakes.

Learning :) to accept and understand what someone has said is in most cases is more important than ignoring what was said to just pick on the spelling mistakes.

But hey if that small error slipped you up then im sorry.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 81 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 04-Jul-2004 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Anonymous):
comedy rules the world! And someone here needs a sense of humouR! ;)
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 82 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jul-2004 23:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Darth_X):
You with out doubt the biggest joke on ANN

You made me laugh.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 83 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 04-Jul-2004 23:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Or are you saying I'm a liar? Most people can't get more than 200/300KB/s out >of their networks, which is an undeniable fact. I was just interested in why.

I was the first betatester that got ahold of the ethernet devices. Over my 100mbit network I have never seen speeds that low. The best that I saw was speeds of 6.2 megabytes/sec, and that was a looooong time ago, like around the time of the first Italy show - probably October

I transferred all files to RAM: and did this multiple times.... OS4 updates, etc etc etc
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 84 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 04-Jul-2004 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anonymous):
> You with out doubt the biggest joke on ANN

> You made me laugh.

/me bows

claps......

ENCORE!! ENCORE!!
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 85 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 04-Jul-2004 23:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (NeRP):
People over AW.net aren't invisible, there have been many threads about this issue. Replying with "here it works" doesn't really answer my question.

Such kind of bad performances have been also experienced at the recent "show off" of AmigaOS4, at the Swedish Usergroup of Amiga. I know 'cause one of the group's members is also a member of the AROS project.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 86 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 04-Jul-2004 23:51 GMT
I am still amazed an issue of this importance is plaguing Linux on the AmigaOne. Incredible.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 87 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 04-Jul-2004 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Fabio Alemagna):
Perhaps they are transferring directly to HD? I'm sure the PIO modes don't really help the speed of the ethernet device

This whole thread is absolute shit anyway. Why not let AmigaOne owners worry about what they fuck they bought themselves into? Who says that YOU are their champion hero. From what I can tell, you've got nothing invested at all, and so should not care.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 88 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 05-Jul-2004 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (NeRP):
> Perhaps they are transferring directly to HD? I'm sure the PIO modes don't
> really help the speed of the ethernet device

From what I recall, even transferring directly to RAM: has been tried in those cases, but didn't help. Either way, though, it'd not be good: PIO modes can achieve way more than 300KB/s.

> This whole thread is absolute shit anyway. Why not let AmigaOne owners worry
> about what they fuck they bought themselves into?

Indeed some do, as I quoted in a message above. What's wrong with also other people commenting on it, though? We're all part of the same community.

> Who says that YOU are their champion hero. From what I can tell, you've got
> nothing invested at all, and so should not care.

I don't recall anyone saying I'm their champion hero. Hope that answers your question. As for the fact I shouldn't care, I'm sure you'll give people the right to care about whatever they want to care.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2004 00:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Fabio Alemagna):
"I don't recall anyone saying I'm their champion hero. Hope that answers your question. As for the fact I shouldn't care, I'm sure you'll give people the right to care about whatever they want to care."

We thanks you for that but we would like you not to ask question on our behalf thanks.
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Posted by Darth_X on 05-Jul-2004 00:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (NeRP):
> This whole thread is absolute shit anyway.

Yes, it is.

> Why not let AmigaOne owners worry about what they f__k they bought themselves into?

That's a poor attitude. The reason people bought A1's was because they believed that buying such a high priced & unfinished product would help relaunch the amiga community and computer platform.

> Who says that YOU are their champion hero. From what I can tell, you've got nothing invested at all, and so should not care.

I disagree with you here. People who are working on independent projects to build their vision of 'amiga' with little or no money deserve all the respect they can get, and AROS is one of those projects.

Mai Logic do not appear to support their products very well, or else there would be more Terons and/or A1's in the hands of developers, and of course further developing their chipsets. Maybe the reason for this is that Mai do not have financial support at this time.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2004 00:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (NeRP):
"This whole thread is absolute shit anyway. Why not let AmigaOne owners worry about what they fuck they bought themselves into? Who says that YOU are their champion hero. From what I can tell, you've got nothing invested at all, and so should not care."

Translation:
You're talking about a product that someone has happened to slap the Holy Trademark upon! Flaws, which cannot exist in the first place since it is protected by The Trademark, must not be exposed. It is of utmost importance to fool as many people as possible (while trying to nurture that wholesome sectarian cultist atmosphere). If you are not among the victims/cult members, you have no RIGHT to expose flaws. You Should Not Care. You should go along with the game and pretend. Pretend that there are New Amigas. Pretend that flaws are features. Pretend that all is well. If you lot would only shut your pie-holes then "we" (rule number one: always use the word "we" to refer to a bunch of American dotcom scammers, a Belgian PC game porting company and a computer shop in the UK) can hope that lots of people are taken in. Then "we" must hope that these people also shut up when they inevitably discover by themselves that they've been screwed.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 92 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2004 00:23 GMT
NeRP is a shareholder in KMOS, better watch out billy!
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 93 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 05-Jul-2004 00:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Anonymous):
really?

How do I buy shares in KMOS? NeRP? Anyone? :)
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 94 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 05-Jul-2004 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Anonymous):
> We thanks you for that but we would like you not to ask question on our behalf
> thanks.

I don't ask questions on youe behalf, I ask questions on my own behalf. Quite a big of a difference, huh?
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 95 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Jul-2004 01:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Thomas Frieden):
>12 seconds. Really laughable.

Hmm.. you must be talking of warm booting.. without any device recognition or anything.. just OS4? If so, yes, it _is_ slow.

This issue was discussed in our local forum a few days ago, and I was given a thread to read about it:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5445&forum=14&20


On the other hand, if you mean I am in OS4 after I have pressed the powerbutton on my tower... well good buy Pegasos and welcome A1. Im in!
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Posted by NeRP on 05-Jul-2004 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anonymous):
Translation:
You're talking about a product that someone has happened to slap the Holy Trademark upon! Flaws, which cannot exist in the first place since it is protected by The Trademark, must not be exposed.

You're an idiot. Immediately you imply that I'm a "BAF" and that I can't see any flaws. I see flaws. I own an A1 that has no working AC97. Do I care? No. In the big picture non working AC97 is nothing anyway. Would I prefer to have it working? Yes. Unfortunate? Yes. Critical? No.


It is of utmost importance to fool as many people as possible (while trying to nurture that wholesome sectarian cultist atmosphere). If you are not among the victims/cult members, you have no RIGHT to expose flaws. You Should Not Care.

I guess all A3000 owners were also "fooled" when they found out that their zorro3 slots didn't work. Then they had to pay $100US or more for a new revision of the buster chip that still didn't work. Then they had to buy Rev11 of the buster chip to finally get working zorro3. Those CRIMINALS.

However, what you think are flaws aren't necessarily so. You're pretty much saying that DMA on the A1 is broken. You have no idea, and betatesters have said otherwise. Likewise, tcp/ip speeds on my A1 have been perfectly fine. Must be a conspiracy, right asshole?


You should go along with the game and pretend. Pretend that there are New Amigas.

There are new Amigas, live with it. Nothing you say will say otherwise.

Pretend that flaws are features. Pretend that all is well. If you lot would only shut your pie-holes then "we" (rule number one: always use the word "we" to refer to a bunch of American dotcom scammers, a Belgian PC game porting company and a computer shop in the UK) can hope that lots of people are taken in. Then "we" must hope that these people also shut up when they inevitably discover by themselves that they've been screwed.


And how have they been screwed? An alarming majority of AmigaOne owners are happy with what they've got. You must not be. Your OPINION on what "flaws" are isn't important. No one cares. Everyone who wants to buy an A1 still will, despite your pathetic trolling. Everyone who wants to wait, will.

Threads like this are the reason I haven't been to ANN in six months. ANN is so full of shit it's incredible.
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Posted by cheesegrate on 05-Jul-2004 02:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (NeRP):
> Threads like this are the reason I haven't been to ANN in six months.
heh, please close the door on your way out then...

i'm sure christian will change the locks after u leave...
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 98 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by The_Gunner on 05-Jul-2004 03:04 GMT
Its been quiet for months here on ANN, now this fresh attack ?

New battle orders been given ?
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 99 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 05-Jul-2004 03:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (cheesegrate):
fuck up cheesedick.
Try only to realise the truth : Comment 100 of 335ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jul-2004 04:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Fabio Alemagna):
That's not what he said, but you can interpret his words however you like to please your ideas, people do it with the Bible too.
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